Culpepper's value (1 Viewer)

[Weiner Dog]

I would think his re-draft ranking takes a major blow, while his dynasty ranking is dealt a minor blow. No matter how you cut it, it's not a positive for Culpepper.

IMO.

 

[packersfan]

You haven't seen Harrington play, have you?

I don't see Harrington's arrival having any negative impact on Culpepper's value. The key issue with his value is the health of his knee and when he'll be able to play this season. Once he's cleared to play, the job's his. Harrington's just there to keep the seat warm -- and hopefully not muck up too badly -- until Culpepper is ready.

 

[perry147]

I would think his re-draft ranking takes a major blow, while his dynasty ranking is dealt a minor blow. No matter how you cut it, it's not a positive for Culpepper.

IMO.

Joey is 100% not a threat to Culpepper, he is there as a backup and to play until Culpepper recovers from his injury.With or without Joey Culpepper plays the same amount so his value stays the same.

 

[Bankerguy]

I have to say, at present I'm not convinced that Culpepper will be back anytime soon.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Perry and Packers-

Let's call a spade a spade here. The current #2 (if you will) is Cleo Lemon. To say Harrington will have no effect on Culpepper is both wishful and ignorant.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

No change.

I already assumed C-Pepp would not be ready to start or would be less effective if he tried. It would've been crazy for Miami to not bring in a viable backup.

IOW, I considered this way before it actually happened.

 

[ATC1]

No change.

I already assumed C-Pepp would not be ready to start or would be less effective if he tried. It would've been crazy for Miami to not bring in a viable backup.

IOW, I considered this way before it actually happened.

This and the fact that MIA did cave in and give up a 5th rounder next year for him, tells me that they want Joey in camp ASAP. Doesn't look promising to me.

 

[packersfan]

Perry and Packers-

Let's call a spade a spade here. The current #2 (if you will) is Cleo Lemon. To say Harrington will have no effect on Culpepper is both wishful and ignorant.

How so? The starting job belongs to Culpepper. Once Culpepper is healthy, he will be the Dolphins' starter. That's not wishful nor ignorant; it's understanding the realities of the situation. If someone is a Culpepper or would-be Culpepper owner (I'm neither) the primary concern is when he'll be able to return this season, not the arrival of Joey Harrington.

 

[Bankerguy]

Perry and Packers-

Let's call a spade a spade here.  The current #2 (if you will) is Cleo Lemon.  To say Harrington will have no effect on Culpepper is both wishful and ignorant.

How so? The starting job belongs to Culpepper. Once Culpepper is healthy, he will be the Dolphins' starter. That's not wishful nor ignorant; it's understanding the realities of the situation. If someone is a Culpepper or would-be Culpepper owner (I'm neither) the primary concern is when he'll be able to return this season, not the arrival of Joey Harrington.

If he's not ready to start the season it hurts his value in re-draft leagues. I'm sure you can understand that.

 

[perry147]

Perry and Packers-

Let's call a spade a spade here. The current #2 (if you will) is Cleo Lemon. To say Harrington will have no effect on Culpepper is both wishful and ignorant.

Quit being a Weiner. Have you seen Joey play? He is terrible and there is no way he plays once Culpepper is healthy so how will Joey affect Culpeppers value???? It will not Culpepper will play when he is healthy, just like he would if Joey was not there. The only reason the Dolphons traded for Joey was insurance for CPep not to threaten his job.

 

[packersfan]

Perry and Packers-

Let's call a spade a spade here. The current #2 (if you will) is Cleo Lemon. To say Harrington will have no effect on Culpepper is both wishful and ignorant.

How so? The starting job belongs to Culpepper. Once Culpepper is healthy, he will be the Dolphins' starter. That's not wishful nor ignorant; it's understanding the realities of the situation. If someone is a Culpepper or would-be Culpepper owner (I'm neither) the primary concern is when he'll be able to return this season, not the arrival of Joey Harrington.

If he's not ready to start the season it hurts his value in re-draft leagues. I'm sure you can understand that.

Of course. But that has nothing to do with Joey Harrington and everything to do with the health of his knee, which I have said is the primary issue with Culpepper this season.

 

[Bankerguy]

Perry and Packers-

Let's call a spade a spade here.  The current #2 (if you will) is Cleo Lemon.  To say Harrington will have no effect on Culpepper is both wishful and ignorant.

How so? The starting job belongs to Culpepper. Once Culpepper is healthy, he will be the Dolphins' starter. That's not wishful nor ignorant; it's understanding the realities of the situation. If someone is a Culpepper or would-be Culpepper owner (I'm neither) the primary concern is when he'll be able to return this season, not the arrival of Joey Harrington.

If he's not ready to start the season it hurts his value in re-draft leagues. I'm sure you can understand that.

Of course. But that has nothing to do with Joey Harrington and everything to do with the health of his knee, which I have said is the primary issue with Culpepper this season.

Agreed....sorry I thought you weren't discounting Pepper at all. It was just your reasoning, which is sound imo.

 

[bigfishboy]

Perry and Packers-

Let's call a spade a spade here.  The current #2 (if you will) is Cleo Lemon.  To say Harrington will have no effect on Culpepper is both wishful and ignorant.

How so? The starting job belongs to Culpepper. Once Culpepper is healthy, he will be the Dolphins' starter. That's not wishful nor ignorant; it's understanding the realities of the situation. If someone is a Culpepper or would-be Culpepper owner (I'm neither) the primary concern is when he'll be able to return this season, not the arrival of Joey Harrington.

If he's not ready to start the season it hurts his value in re-draft leagues. I'm sure you can understand that.

Of course. But that has nothing to do with Joey Harrington and everything to do with the health of his knee, which I have said is the primary issue with Culpepper this season.

We can all agree that Culpepper is the starter, and will start when healthy.The reason some people (including me) are downgrading Culpepper is because they belive the Harrington deal means that Culpepper's recovery isn't going as well as the Dolphins hoped and that Culpeeper may be brought along a little more slowly with Harrington as backup instead of nobody.

 

[vandy73]

his value will take a minor hit simpley because i see this move as a sign that they may not expect Culpepper to be ready by week 1 which im sure we all had an idea about already.

 

[Bankerguy]

Perry and Packers-

Let's call a spade a spade here.  The current #2 (if you will) is Cleo Lemon.  To say Harrington will have no effect on Culpepper is both wishful and ignorant.

How so? The starting job belongs to Culpepper. Once Culpepper is healthy, he will be the Dolphins' starter. That's not wishful nor ignorant; it's understanding the realities of the situation. If someone is a Culpepper or would-be Culpepper owner (I'm neither) the primary concern is when he'll be able to return this season, not the arrival of Joey Harrington.

If he's not ready to start the season it hurts his value in re-draft leagues. I'm sure you can understand that.

Of course. But that has nothing to do with Joey Harrington and everything to do with the health of his knee, which I have said is the primary issue with Culpepper this season.

We can all agree that Culpepper is the starter, and will start when healthy.The reason some people (including me) are downgrading Culpepper is because they belive the Harrington deal means that Culpepper's recovery isn't going as well as the Dolphins hoped and that Culpeeper may be brought along a little more slowly with Harrington as backup instead of nobody.

 

[Weiner Dog]

In other words, nobody believes a guy who threw 6 TD's vs 12 INT's last year PRIOR to tearing every ligament in his knee cannot be pushed for his job by a former #3 overall pick who had a 12-12 TD/INT ratio in '05?? I know stats don't tell the whole story, but I'm simply making the statement that Culpepper is not exactly Carson Palmer returning from a major knee injury.

 

[perry147]

In other words, nobody believes a guy who threw 6 TD's vs 12 INT's last year PRIOR to tearing every ligament in his knee cannot be pushed for his job by a former #3 overall pick who had a 12-12 TD/INT ratio in '05?? I know stats don't tell the whole story, but I'm simply making the statement that Culpepper is not exactly Carson Palmer returning from a major knee injury.

hmm yea I will say that.You do know that the offensive coordination Scott Linehan for Miami was the offensive coordination from the Vikings. In three seasons in Minnesota, Linehan oversaw one of the league's best offenses. The Vikings ranked second in the NFL in 2002, first in 2003 and fourth in 2004 in total yardage. And he personally asked for Culpepper.

Here is an article.

Linehan

 

[Weiner Dog]

In other words, nobody believes a guy who threw 6 TD's vs 12 INT's last year PRIOR to tearing every ligament in his knee cannot be pushed for his job by a former #3 overall pick who had a 12-12 TD/INT ratio in '05??  I know stats don't tell the whole story, but I'm simply making the statement that Culpepper is not exactly Carson Palmer returning from a major knee injury.

hmm yea I will say that.You do know that the offensive coordination Scott Linehan for Miami was the offensive coordination from the Vikings. In three seasons in Minnesota, Linehan oversaw one of the league's best offenses. The Vikings ranked second in the NFL in 2002, first in 2003 and fourth in 2004 in total yardage. And he personally asked for Culpepper.

Here is an article.

Linehan

This is almost too easy...Do you know the HC of the Rams??

 

[chocolate bomber]

In other words, nobody believes a guy who threw 6 TD's vs 12 INT's last year PRIOR to tearing every ligament in his knee cannot be pushed for his job by a former #3 overall pick who had a 12-12 TD/INT ratio in '05?? I know stats don't tell the whole story, but I'm simply making the statement that Culpepper is not exactly Carson Palmer returning from a major knee injury.

Lots of Cpep dynasty owners don't want to hear this, but it's true.

 

[videoguy505]

In other words, nobody believes a guy who threw 6 TD's vs 12 INT's last year PRIOR to tearing every ligament in his knee cannot be pushed for his job by a former #3 overall pick who had a 12-12 TD/INT ratio in '05??  I know stats don't tell the whole story, but I'm simply making the statement that Culpepper is not exactly Carson Palmer returning from a major knee injury.

hmm yea I will say that.You do know that the offensive coordination Scott Linehan for Miami was the offensive coordination from the Vikings. In three seasons in Minnesota, Linehan oversaw one of the league's best offenses. The Vikings ranked second in the NFL in 2002, first in 2003 and fourth in 2004 in total yardage. And he personally asked for Culpepper.

Here is an article.

Linehan

 

[TeamDingo]

In other words, nobody believes a guy who threw 6 TD's vs 12 INT's last year PRIOR to tearing every ligament in his knee cannot be pushed for his job by a former #3 overall pick who had a 12-12 TD/INT ratio in '05?? I know stats don't tell the whole story, but I'm simply making the statement that Culpepper is not exactly Carson Palmer returning from a major knee injury.

Nope. Nobody but you apparently.Cpep has actually accomplished allot more in the NFL than Carson Palmer, though I can't imagine what this has to do to the ridiculous argument that you seem to think Joey Harrington has been signed as the Dolphins QB of the future.

 

[Sinrman]

In re-draft leagues, I'd stay way away from Culpepper ANYWAYS. There's not telling when he'll play this year, if at all! Joey is mainly the man for much/all of this year until Culpepper is ready to go.

 

[piston pete griffin]

Daunte will be the starter when healthy. All this means is the fin's are not 100% sure he'll be ready to go week 1. He still might, but they are protecting himself in case he can't.

 

[Couch Potato]

From a dynasty perspective, it could be argued that Harrington's arrival boosts Culpepper. Here's why:

Anyone owning Culpepper in dynasty already knows all sides of the story concerning the knee. Whether drafting CPep this year or already owning him from prior years, a backup plan is necessary in case he's not ready for the first 2 weeks, 5 weeks, whatever.

Any smart owner will have another good starting QB on his roster, and then will have a cheap QB3. That cheap QB3 will usually be 1) the backup to CPep, 2) the backup to the other good starter, or 3) a weak or iffy starter where there are concerns whether his starting role is ensured (Losman, Pennington, that type of guy).

My argument for Harrington increasing CPep's value is simple. Harrington > Lemon, and probably Harrington > the backup to the other good starter on the dynasty roster. Harrington can be had for cheap since he's clearly nothing more than a backup for two years (per the contract) even if he does start a few games, so he strengthens the QB3 spot at little cost. Harrington gives more comfort to CPep owners than most backups would give since he has been an NFL starter for a few years and will do OK if he has to play, possibly even comparable to the fantasy roster's other possible starter during those weeks.

It's not Culpepper - Harrington = less value than before in dynasty. It's Culpepper + Harrington = greater value than before.

 

[5Rings]

Joey is 100% not a threat to Culpepper, he is there as a backup and to play until Culpepper recovers from his injury.

With or without Joey, Culpepper plays the same amount so his value stays the same.

To me this is just confirmation that Culpepper will not be ready to go.

Many people already factored this into their projections/rankings; if you did not, then this would indeed be a "hit" to Daunt'es value....but it would have to do with Daunte not being ready to go and nothing to do with Harrington the player.

 

[Couch Potato]

In other words, nobody believes a guy who threw 6 TD's vs 12 INT's last year PRIOR to tearing every ligament in his knee cannot be pushed for his job by a former #3 overall pick who had a 12-12 TD/INT ratio in '05?? I know stats don't tell the whole story, but I'm simply making the statement that Culpepper is not exactly Carson Palmer returning from a major knee injury.

You might want to have a look at a little more than just 7 games in 2005 before throwing CPep on the scrap heap.The year before, he had 4700+ yards, 39 TDs and 11 INTs (mostly without Moss, by the way). He was a top-3 (often #1) fantasy producing QB on a ppg basis for 5 straight years from 2000-04. He's still under 30 years old. He no longer has Moss, but he has Chambers.

You're worried about Joey taking his job?

 

[perry147]

In other words, nobody believes a guy who threw 6 TD's vs 12 INT's last year PRIOR to tearing every ligament in his knee cannot be pushed for his job by a former #3 overall pick who had a 12-12 TD/INT ratio in '05?? I know stats don't tell the whole story, but I'm simply making the statement that Culpepper is not exactly Carson Palmer returning from a major knee injury.

hmm yea I will say that.You do know that the offensive coordination Scott Linehan for Miami was the offensive coordination from the Vikings. In three seasons in Minnesota, Linehan oversaw one of the league's best offenses. The Vikings ranked second in the NFL in 2002, first in 2003 and fourth in 2004 in total yardage. And he personally asked for Culpepper.

Here is an article.

Linehan

This is almost too easy...Do you know the HC of the Rams??

I know he is now with the Rams but the offense in Miami will still be run the way the Vikings offense was run when Culpepper had his success.

 

[perry147]

Weiner Dog is the last person on the Joey Harrington bandwagon - as a matter of fact you are driving.

 

[Weiner Dog]

In other words, nobody believes a guy who threw 6 TD's vs 12 INT's last year PRIOR to tearing every ligament in his knee cannot be pushed for his job by a former #3 overall pick who had a 12-12 TD/INT ratio in '05??  I know stats don't tell the whole story, but I'm simply making the statement that Culpepper is not exactly Carson Palmer returning from a major knee injury.

You might want to have a look at a little more than just 7 games in 2005 before throwing CPep on the scrap heap.The year before, he had 4700+ yards, 39 TDs and 11 INTs (mostly without Moss, by the way). He was a top-3 (often #1) fantasy producing QB on a ppg basis for 5 straight years from 2000-04. He's still under 30 years old. He no longer has Moss, but he has Chambers.

You're worried about Joey taking his job? Are you worried about Michael Turner taking LT's job too?

Why shouldn't I use Culpepper's latest season?? It's the most applicable. You don't hear people pumping Curtis Martin's NFL-leading '04 season, do you??...and to compare Chambers to Moss is absurd.

 

[Weiner Dog]

In other words, nobody believes a guy who threw 6 TD's vs 12 INT's last year PRIOR to tearing every ligament in his knee cannot be pushed for his job by a former #3 overall pick who had a 12-12 TD/INT ratio in '05??  I know stats don't tell the whole story, but I'm simply making the statement that Culpepper is not exactly Carson Palmer returning from a major knee injury.

hmm yea I will say that.You do know that the offensive coordination Scott Linehan for Miami was the offensive coordination from the Vikings. In three seasons in Minnesota, Linehan oversaw one of the league's best offenses. The Vikings ranked second in the NFL in 2002, first in 2003 and fourth in 2004 in total yardage. And he personally asked for Culpepper.

Here is an article.

Linehan

This is almost too easy...Do you know the HC of the Rams??

I know he is now with the Rams but the offense in Miami will still be run the way the Vikings offense was run when Culpepper had his success.

Dude, your best bet is to save face and hide. You got owned and you're spouting jibberish. Let the big boys further their discussion.

 

[Couch Potato]

Why shouldn't I use Culpepper's latest season?? It's the most applicable. You don't hear people pumping Curtis Martin's NFL-leading '04 season, do you??

...and to compare Chambers to Moss is absurd.

We'll have to just agree to disagree on both points. Seven games is not more applicable than six years. Curtis Martin is 33 now while Culpepper is in his prime for a QB at 29. Not the same at all.Chambers is a lot better than you are giving him credit for, and as I stated above, the 2004 numbers CPep put up were largely without Moss.

 

[Dancing Bear]

I have to respectfully disagree here.

There have been two announcements this week about Culpepper's progress in healing and Miami's happiness with their situation. The most significant being on ESPN's 4 Quarters TV on Wednesday night. Culpepper got a clean bill of health from both his surgeon and the Miami medical staff. He is projected to be starting in Training Camp!

Harrington's arrival is only security should Daunte get injured once the season gets underway. Much like Brad Johnson's last year in Minnesota or Todd Bouman or Gus Frerotte or anyone else chosen to backup a starter.

It is always prudent not to put all one's eggs in a single basket!

 

[Spartans346]

Ouch, Weiner Dog is getting a beating on this topic. I want Moss to go to the Dolphins. It will be interesting to see how C-Pepp performs.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Why shouldn't I use Culpepper's latest season??  It's the most applicable.  You don't hear people pumping Curtis Martin's NFL-leading '04 season, do you??

...and to compare Chambers to Moss is absurd.

We'll have to just agree to disagree on both points. Seven games is not more applicable than six years. Chambers is a lot better than you are giving him credit for, and as I stated above, the 2004 numbers CPep put up were largely without Moss.

Fair enough. If you read my original post, you will see I downgrade Culpepper more in re-drafts than dynasty leagues. I do not see Harrington as the long-term option in MIA (...or anywhere else).

 

[Couch Potato]

Fair enough. If you read my original post, you will see I downgrade Culpepper more in re-drafts than dynasty leagues. I do not see Harrington as the long-term option in MIA (...or anywhere else).

Hey Dog,For the record, I read and agree with a lot of your posts (just not this time), generally like what you have to say, and am glad you share your thoughts on this board.

kissy kissy.

 

[Pied Piper]

In other words, nobody believes a guy who threw 6 TD's vs 12 INT's last year PRIOR to tearing every ligament in his knee cannot be pushed for his job by a former #3 overall pick who had a 12-12 TD/INT ratio in '05?? I know stats don't tell the whole story, but I'm simply making the statement that Culpepper is not exactly Carson Palmer returning from a major knee injury.

Saban used a 2nd rounder on Culpep. There is no way he doesn't start when healthy.

 

[David Yudkin]

IMO, the Dolphins needed a backup QB even if Culpepper were 100% healthy. They have no one else worth mentioning. Harrington never really lit it up and was having trouble finding a team that would take him. Now he gets a paycheck and might see some action to improve his stock. Harrington's contract has 2 years remaining. He will need to show something to get an extension or a decent contract from another franchise. Overall, I think everyone wins here, and now the Phins don't have to rush Culpepper back quite as quickly. If they didn't get Harrington, it was in the cards that they would have got a QB2 from somewhere.

 

[BigJim®]

IMHO Harrington poses no risk to Culpepper. Culpepper will either recover from his injury and be a franchise starter or he won't.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

The guy you should be worried about is Chambers. His stats could take a hit if its Joey for more than a few games. Chambers owners would have been better off if they had gotten Kerry Collins.

 

[perry147]

The guy you should be worried about is Chambers. His stats could take a hit if its Joey for more than a few games. Chambers owners would have been better off if they had gotten Kerry Collins.

Sigmund Bloom I respect everything that you have done here. But Kerry Collins has not played well since he has been sober. Culpepper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Collins

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

The guy you should be worried about is Chambers. His stats could take a hit if its Joey for more than a few games. Chambers owners would have been better off if they had gotten Kerry Collins.

Sigmund Bloom I respect everything that you have done here. But Kerry Collins has not played well since he has been sober. Culpepper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Collins

I agree, I was specfically talking about Collins vs. Harrington, not Collins vs. Culpepper.

 

[perry147]

The guy you should be worried about is Chambers. His stats could take a hit if its Joey for more than a few games. Chambers owners would have been better off if they had gotten Kerry Collins.

Sigmund Bloom I respect everything that you have done here. But Kerry Collins has not played well since he has been sober. Culpepper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Collins

I agree, I was specfically talking about Collins vs. Harrington, not Collins vs. Culpepper.

Then I agree.

 

[dynastyguru32]

If Culpepper is not ready to go until around week 7 and Harrington has gone say 6-1 then I can see how the Dolphins will hold Culpepper out to "fully recover". If this happens than yes I think it takes a hit on Culpeppers value.

Just because HArrington couldn't do anything with the Lions (what QB has lately?) doesn't mean he can't do well with another team. If the Dolphins start out on fire and Joey is clicking with the offense I would put money on the Dolphins letting Culpepper sit out longer. Does this mean Joey is better than Culpepper? Nope! But why change something that is working out well.

 

[RAPTURE]

If Culpepper is not ready to go until around week 7 and Harrington has gone say 6-1 then I can see how the Dolphins will hold Culpepper out to "fully recover". If this happens than yes I think it takes a hit on Culpeppers value. Just because HArrington couldn't do anything with the Lions (what QB has lately?) doesn't mean he can't do well with another team. If the Dolphins start out on fire and Joey is clicking with the offense I would put money on the Dolphins letting Culpepper sit out longer. Does this mean Joey is better than Culpepper? Nope! But why change something that is working out well.

What if the Dolphins start our 11-2 and you have a fully healthy Culpepper on the sidelines....what do you do?RAPTURE

 

[dynastyguru32]

In my opinion you don't rock the boat. You go with what has been working. Just because you gave up more for Culpepper than you did Harrington doesn't mean you should hand things over to Culpepper.

 

[doomsdaydoc]

why would anyone in their right mind consider the possibility that Harrington can be 7 - 1 or 11- 2 in ANY situation. He could not do that well with Randy MOss and TO to throw to. I think having him there would at most keep Culpepper on the bench until he is totally healthy but I cannot imagine that he would not be starting once he is medically stable. Harrington is not a threat.

 

[ATC1]

I have to respectfully disagree here.

There have been two announcements this week about Culpepper's progress in healing and Miami's happiness with their situation. The most significant being on ESPN's 4 Quarters TV on Wednesday night. Culpepper got a clean bill of health from both his surgeon and the Miami medical staff. He is projected to be starting in Training Camp!

Harrington's arrival is only security should Daunte get injured once the season gets underway. Much like Brad Johnson's last year in Minnesota or Todd Bouman or Gus Frerotte or anyone else chosen to backup a starter.

It is always prudent not to put all one's eggs in a single basket!

This was smokescreen to decrease Harrington's value. Why on earth would a team rush their investment on the field after such a serious injury to a mobile quaterback.

 

[perry147]

If Culpepper is not ready to go until around week 7 and Harrington has gone say 6-1 then I can see how the Dolphins will hold Culpepper out to "fully recover". If this happens than yes I think it takes a hit on Culpeppers value.

Just because HArrington couldn't do anything with the Lions (what QB has lately?) doesn't mean he can't do well with another team. If the Dolphins start out on fire and Joey is clicking with the offense I would put money on the Dolphins letting Culpepper sit out longer. Does this mean Joey is better than Culpepper? Nope! But why change something that is working out well.

What if the Dolphins start our 11-2 and you have a fully healthy Culpepper on the sidelines....what do you do?RAPTURE

Joey Harrington leading the Dolphins to an 11-2 record?? This is like Farve going the entire season next year without an INT.

 

[BigJim®]

In other words, nobody believes a guy who threw 6 TD's vs 12 INT's last year PRIOR to tearing every ligament in his knee cannot be pushed for his job by a former #3 overall pick who had a 12-12 TD/INT ratio in '05??  I know stats don't tell the whole story, but I'm simply making the statement that Culpepper is not exactly Carson Palmer returning from a major knee injury.

You might want to have a look at a little more than just 7 games in 2005 before throwing CPep on the scrap heap.The year before, he had 4700+ yards, 39 TDs and 11 INTs (mostly without Moss, by the way). He was a top-3 (often #1) fantasy producing QB on a ppg basis for 5 straight years from 2000-04. He's still under 30 years old. He no longer has Moss, but he has Chambers.

You're worried about Joey taking his job? Are you worried about Michael Turner taking LT's job too?

Why shouldn't I use Culpepper's latest season?? It's the most applicable. You don't hear people pumping Curtis Martin's NFL-leading '04 season, do you??...and to compare Chambers to Moss is absurd.

Because his 2005 offensive coordinator was former OL coach Steve Loney, who despite being a heck of a nice guy has no job in the NFL. Culpepper's production under a legit OC speaks for itself.HTH

 

[BroadwayG]

Wow, I thought the FFA was the place to go for personal attacks, putting words in each other's mouths, and general nonsensical tomfoolery. I've been missing out.

P.S. There is no quarterback controversy in Miami, only a questionable timetable for return from injury.