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Taylor will be gone in the 2nd in 90%, and Martin will be gone in the 2nd in about 40-50% msot likely. Martin won't last beyond the midpoint of Rd. 3 in a 12 teamer most likely. Someone will have taken a WR in teh first two and be looking to pick up a 2RB for their team. They will grab Martin there. At least I would.
Cool. The resident expert in how every 10 team redraft league SHOULD draft!I apologize for the misinfo. Our league adapted a 2 QB start system this season and in turn inflated the QB value. But, I still thought that Taylor & Martin went lower in my draft than I had anticipated. I wasn't attempting to place an ADP on them, just the apparent value loss in the eyes of my league mates.
I wasn't claiming to be an expert on how leagues should draft, but rather that soemthing seemed amiss with where they went. The 2 QB thing explains it as it puts a real premium on the QB position vis-a-vis the relative values of the other positions. I'm sorry if I came off as offensive.
The whole reason drafting FF is fun is becasue everyone has their own opinion on what player will have a better year than the other. I'm not in love with Martin as a FF player, but I do not like Taylor. Give me players that play without an injury history or ones that play through them. Also I want a track record for players, no one hit wonders on my squad. Heck I'm no expert but I like a track record, I passed on Holmes last year for this, but for every Holmes there is an A.Thomas.Draft the players you expect to do well, not who others expect to do well.If I'm picking a RB I want a OL that has played together and has the same OC and head coach.
Funny, most Jet homers I know are in a complete tizzy over having a 40 year old, interception-prone, NON West Coast offense QB running the ship this season. Vinnie has never been a very strong quick decision-maker, a MUST for the WCO. Never mind that Conway ain't much of a deep threat. If you think that Conway will put up numbers anywhere close to Coles did last season, I think you're dreaming. Especially now that every other team in their division has made major defensive upgrades.
Oh, my season is over, I know that. But Vinny can be competant. I am not scared about N.E., Buff, Wash., Dallas, Houston, Indy, Jax, Pitt games. That's 10 games. Miami comes week 17, which is a non factor roto wise. Coles scored 5x last year and has 13 in his career I believe. I think Conway will score 5x. In real life, I hate Vinny, but roto wise, I still think he can be decent given the right spot.
Well said. I'll have no problem taking Taylor in my draft.
If I was in your position, I would have taken him too. definitely. as a #3 RB he is awesome.
The amount of elitism displayed on this board in this preseason is sickening, while the amount of quality info has curbed sharply. Most FFL leagues AREN'T shark infested, and I'd guess that a very small percentage of readers actually play in these so called elite leagues. I'm here to tell you, I've been reading this board for several years now, and I'm proud to be playing in a mixed-skill Yahoo league. Thanks for your insights MOP, great stuff.In a 10 Man redraft I bet you can get 2 of these backs if you pick 4th or lowerRB1s: LT, Priest, Ricky, Faulk, Portis, Deuce, SA, Edge, Travis, Jamal, Ahman, DillonIn rounds 1 and 2 and in the 3rd round You should get choice of 3 from 5 and lower.RB2s: Taylor, Garner, Barber, William Green, Davis, Martin, George I truly belive the guys drafting 4-8 this year can go RB-RB-RB and find them selfs with 3 of top 19 backs!
Best post in this thread.MOP, multiple people have asked you whom you'd take before Martin and Taylor. I don't think you've answered.So, what is it? Can I assume that you have them ranked 18th and 19th, behind all the other solid guys listed by GregR and ahead of Stewart/Mack/Dunn/etc?The other big question is, where's your big gap in rankings? For me, it's after the top 19 - I'd draft any of these anywhere in the top three rounds. Anyone below that, I wouldn't draft until the 5th minimum. Most people have a similar gap somewhere - where's yours?I don't have your RB buckets in front of me and I'm too lazy to look for it right now (and I suspect that it's out of date compared to your current opinions anyway). Anyway, I guess my final question is:Where are you willing to draft these guys? What round in a 12 team draft? We all know if they fall to the 7th round, you'll take them. How about the 5th? 4th?
Week 16 Jets 30 - Pats 17. Jets got skunked 1st game. But, at that point of the season, the Jets were awful and the Pats were playing real well too. I am not a Vinny fan, but I truly believe he can get you 225-250 yds and a score or 2 a game.Week 2.Pats 44, Jets 7.Vinny's numbers: 15 for 23, 150 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble
As I wrote in the TIMEOUT post, it is not where do I have him ranked or who I would take ahead of him. There are quite a few. The bigger question or challenge is getting yourself out of a position where you must take them.Get it?
Fantastic!
I must have missed Vinny's great performance in the 2nd game.Week 16 Jets 30 - Pats 17. Jets got skunked 1st game. But, at that point of the season, the Jets were awful and the Pats were playing real well too. I am not a Vinny fan, but I truly believe he can get you 225-250 yds and a score or 2 a game.Week 2.Pats 44, Jets 7.Vinny's numbers: 15 for 23, 150 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble
I have been quiet about it but isn't Clarett suspended for half the season. If the NCAA knew about this b4 the Fiesta Bowl...oh forget it.Hey M.O.P.The Buckeyes are still champs.
MOP -You have made your point and your opinion known, but for expert/shark leagues, people that draft in the first few spots in a draft will have to seriously consider taking Martin as their RB2. (In most shark drafts, Taylor will not last to the end of Round 2 if there are 12 or more teams).While you suggest having to "avoid" getting into a situation where you "have" to take Martin, you can't always change your draft slot.As I mentioned earlier, if you pass on Martin (or other so-so RBs in the late second/early third), you will have to pick from players with even more question marks, RBBC members, or backs on teams that can't run to save their collective lives.Again, as others have stated, who would you want to go to war with as your RB2? Canidate? Dunn? The SF Twins? Dunn? A-Train?You may get lucky if your RB2/3/4 hit pay dirt, but you may have no dependable RB2 to start the season. Last year, several guys drafted in the 3rd or later hit home runs. I don't think that will happen again this year.There are roughly 20 teams with RB that should be considered the primary ball handler. (By my count, teams in some form of RBBC include SF, NE, Pit, TB, Hou, Was, Oak, Atl, Min, Chi, Dal, Ari.)If ANY starting running back in the NFL gets the huge majority of carries, that running back AT WORST should rank within the Top 20 RB or close to it. So even if Martin is the WORST primary back in the league, he should AT WORST rank around #20.Even if Martin produces at the level you've indicated, he should AT A MINIMUM earn back where he is drafted (provided he doesn't get hurt). He is not getting drafted as the #10 RB off the board--he is getting drafted closer to the 20th RB off the board.In my mind, there is minimal risk in drafting Martin. Yes, he may have less upside than one of the other guys should they completely strike pay dirt (Canidate, Zereoue, OSmith, Barlow, Shipp are the ones that come to mind), but they need a lot to go their way to get the workload THAT MARTIN ALREADY GETS.
I'm not buying this. You're advocating the selection of players that have the possibility of getting into the top 10 over guys that have the probability of being in the top 20. What if you wait on that RB2 and select Dunn and O. Smith in the 4th and 5th respectively. Now, what if Dunn really does end up splitting time with T.J. like he did last year and puts up RB19 numbers (like last year). What if Moe WIlliams plays at the goalline and vultures the TDs from Smith as well as getting more yards than he di last year by playing on 3rd downs? Well then you're stuck with 2 RBs that aren't as good as C-Mart.This is what projections (or tiers) are for. I don't have Dunn, Barlow, or Mack higher than C-Mart. They are not in the same tier IMO. What you suggest doing is gambling for a solid 2RB to emerge from your roster, which is something I don't like to gamble on. I would rather gamble that Chad Johnson or Koren Robinson break into the top 10 WRs with those 3rd - 6th round picks. By taking a lot of backs who have the potential to be RB1's but aren't, you limit the number of potential breakout WRs. I'll take my chances with my WRs producing rather than my RBs.
If someone was stupid enough to count on him as a #1 RB, they got in a hole they probably deserved. Martin was a very nice #2 RB last year for me.And btw I did take W Green over Martin as my #2 this year, but was rolling the dice on upside...Martin has very little, esp. with Pennington out. Don't kid yourselves that that plus Coles' loss won't make a big diff.
I would have done the same...how T.O. fell that far is beyond me....nice pick....
I took Portis, Taylor, Martin in my draft. I also picked up Toefield, just in case, but I don't foresee needing him. You hit it right on the head - I also assume anyone who tells me not to take Taylor (or to actually DROP him, as one poster recently recommended to me) is either misinformed, high, or in my league and trying to get Taylor. The guy's one of the most talented backs in the league. I'll be laughing all the way to the bank, I think... and so should you.
About 28 other NFL QB right now friend.
