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A voice of reason
Heck, I'll give you two from the same draft, Akili Smith and Cade McNown. Probably Alex Smith as well when we talk about this thing two years from now.
There's probably more, but I'm drawing a blank. Now if we're talking any position (not just QB) I can probably name at least one per year.
ditto.Lions will draft a WR.
Honest question, you ever watch him play?As for he attending Vandy, what does that have to do with anything? Last weekends 4 QBs: Boston College, Louisianna Layfette, Miami of Ohio, and ASU. Not alot of "Florida States" in that bunch.
I watched a couple of his games last year. Colleges do mean a lot and the caliber of competition to some degree. He played some great schools but Vandy didn't play in any bowl games I don't believe. Who did he really beat? Sorry if I am going against the grain on this guy but I really have my doubts...and the fact the Miami Dolphins might be positioning themselves to grab this guy in the 1st round scares me a bit.
I've seen him play about 15-20 times at least over his career. 4 times live at Duddley Field. Listened to near every game on the internet that I couldn't watch on ESPN Gameplan or at a Bar. As I said earlier in the thread, being a Vandy grad I have followed him from the get go. Did you happen to catch the Florida game this year? If so what didn't you like about him? The guys got grit, heart, size, arm strength, etc. He has played for crap teams with inferior talent and still had Vandy in near every game this past season, he was 1 blocked FG as time expired from a bowl game.
Funny, someone said the same thing last year...
So, in choosing a QB for the next ten years, you would assign significant weight to his rusty and, we'll stipulate, lackadaisical performance in practice before an exhibition game, relative to his performance (where motivation, etc., is apparent) in several years of real-game big-time college football? Wow.I wouldn't assign it much weight at all, if I was an NFL scout. Seems silly to me. But maybe they do, or will.
Ask and you shall receive! Not sure of how good the source is but the hype begins and grows! http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/index.cfm
GPN, you're a Vandy grad...anyway you might be biased a bit?...what other great Vandy QBs are you comparing him to? Vandy went 5-6..6-6 last season? You would have thought they were playing SC in the title game if you talk to Vandy alum. I'm not making fun of you but really and truly, I try hard not to pimp players from universities that I love...there fore I rarely come in here and start pimping Miami players because I root for them and I sometimes think I might be a bit biased when looking at the situation.Did you watch Vince Young in the title game? Anything you didn't like? Does that mean Vince Young should be the #1 pick on draft day? Talk to a UT grad and he should be...talk to anyone outside the state of Texas and there are real questions that he could make it in the NFL where the "Option" is not in too many playbooks.
Of course he's going to say that. He'd be an idiot to admit he liked Cutler as it kills his leverage with his pick. He's got to convince whoever he's giving up the next Brett Favre or Joe Montana with the Young / Leinart pick he's holding in his hands.J
Seriously. I keep waiting for him to bust out in song.
Who else want to bet MOP knows nothing about Cutler besides what hes read on the internet and that he went to Vandy?
I agree. The two Super Bowl QB's this year with to Miami (Ohio) and Boston College so I'm not sure what the Vanderbilt comment has to do with anything.Who knows if the guy will pan out. But going to Vanderbilt has nothing to do with how good he can/can't be. Talent rises to the top.
Agreed Joe, just passing along the news.
The final 4 QBs: Louisiana-Lafayette, Miami (OH), Boston College, and Arizona State.The final 8 included Washington, Michigan, Florida, and Tennessee.
Nowhere did I claim Cutler should be #1 or even in the top 10, or even one of the first 3 QBs picked. I'm just saying that unless you have watched him considerably, you can't really get a good idea of his skill set. He played in what I would consider unique circumastances, and played well. It's one thing to go to a small school, or a school with little to no winning tradition, but you can turn it around if you are up against likewise teams. It's a whole other ball game to have some success at a school like Vandy pitted against the SEC (or Northwestern/Big10, Duke/ACC).As for Vince Young, yep I seen him a ton, and was thouroughly impressed with his Rose Bowl game. As you know I live in SoCal so again I am forced to watch USC all the time and I also am impressed with Leinart. I actually think he's going to be a stud.
Thanks for passing along diesel.Yes, I meant that as to Rotoworld, not you there. Thanks.
How can they improve player evaluations?
By embracing derivative ways of evaluating performance. Component skills analysis, not unlike what's been happening in baseball over the last decade, would be a start.
Moneyball? Do you work for John York?
Pretend I am ignorant of this component business and have no interest in baseball, then explain this improvement in player evaluations idea in a little detail. I'm real curious.
FWIW Wood, I've thought about this before, but don't see how it will work with football.With baseball it comes down to a few functions. As most here don't care about baseball, I'll use an example of one area it might work for the NFL.
Ah, I get it. Tom Landry, Gil Brandt and Tex Schramm were scouting receivers almost exactly as you describe it (with some limits on the film available)... in the 60s. I think NFL personnel departments are very thorough in this kind of analysis. Do the GMs and decision makers pay close attention? I don't know, but I would think the answer is yes.
Fwiw, if you haven't read about it elsewhere, Wednesday was Cutler's most impressive practice of the week, and the first two created quite a buzz. My friend at the practice witnessed 11 TD passes from the North squad (the receivers finally produced) in 7 on 7s and 11 on 11s. 8 tds for Cutler, 3tds for Whitehurst. He also caught a conversation against the fence with Cutler (and a coach he doesn't recognize) "coaching" Derek Hagan on how Cutler reads a corner, and he heard Cutler explain to the wr, "If you read the same way I read, then the ball will be there." Then he laughed and said, "Or pretty darn close anyway." The result was Hagan's break-out day and two TDs that had the whole place buzzing (one was technically not a td, but would have been in a game situation). In one series of 6 plays Cutler threw a TD with every other pass (3 for 6). The three misses were all very close. As Cutler walked away and turned over the offense to Whitehurst, my man in the stands wrote somewhat sensationally, "There was a palpable silence as everyone stared in wonder at Cutler walking away. Most notable was Norm Chow, whose expression could only be described as adoration and longing. For three days Chow had something to say to his QBs after every single play. On this occasion the Tennessee Offensive Coordinator joined the rest of us in respectful silence and contemplative reflection."All this Cutler hype is seriously diminishing Miami's chances of getting him at #16.
I don't pretend to be the guy to foster this changeover, I've not devoted my professional career to it. However, I DO think I [and others including yourselves] will agree that the results of the NFL draft are decidedly too unsteady in terms of player performance versus draft slot to suggest there isn't room for real and significant improvement.One area I think needs addressing is a myopic focus on measurables. I'm sure most personnel execs and scouts would say they no longer overfocus on things like 40 times, but yet, the way the draft plays out screams against that. Guys wow these scouts with physical displays that have little to no statistical correlation to onfield football performance and all of the sudden they vault up [or down].
I'm really starting to look forward to the game on Sunday. From what little they've shown of him during the practices I've been extremely impressed. Cutler looks like he has all the tools to be an NFL QB and his success will depend on how he can handle pressure and not mistakes.Fwiw, if you haven't read about it elsewhere, Wednesday was Cutler's most impressive practice of the week, and the first two created quite a buzz. My friend at the practice witnessed 11 TD passes from the North squad (the receivers finally produced) in 7 on 7s and 11 on 11s. 8 tds for Cutler, 3tds for Whitehurst. He also caught a conversation against the fence with Cutler (and a coach he doesn't recognize) "coaching" Derek Hagan on how Cutler reads a corner, and he heard Cutler explain to the wr, "If you read the same way I read, then the ball will be there." Then he laughed and said, "Or pretty darn close anyway." The result was Hagan's break-out day and two TDs that had the whole place buzzing (one was technically not a td, but would have been in a game situation). In one series of 6 plays Cutler threw a TD with every other pass (3 for 6). The three misses were all very close. As Cutler walked away and turned over the offense to Whitehurst, my man in the stands wrote somewhat sensationally, "There was a palpable silence as everyone stared in wonder at Cutler walking away. Most notable was Norm Chow, whose expression could only be described as adoration and longing. For three days Chow had something to say to his QBs after every single play. On this occasion the Tennessee Offensive Coordinator joined the rest of us in respectful silence and contemplative reflection."All this Cutler hype is seriously diminishing Miami's chances of getting him at #16.
I have to find the time to edit this guy's last email into a readable post. He's called Senior Bowl Week without the wife and kids the best vacation of his life.
He doesn't like the Farve comparison, and prefers a comparison to Carson Palmer. Cutler is two inches shorter than Palmer, but he says the physical presence and arm are very similar. Once Cutler makes a decision, it's decisive, his release is very quick, while the ball leaves his hand like it's been fired from something, like Palmer. He also drops back a little choppy like Palmer, where Whitehurst glides like Plummer. He said he's been watching a very premature shorter Palmer, and a very premature taller Plummer. "Take your pick. One costs a first rounder. The other a third. One has an 75 to 90% chance, the other is 50-50."
