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[massraider]

or maybe what the Patriots, the envy of the rest of the NFL, don't do things in a way that's reality based?

In reality, no other team has accomplished what the Pats have--ever (From the standpoint of players buying in, and sacrificing). If you think it's realistic for every plkayer in Denver to just assume the same stance as New England players because mcDaniels was there for awhile, well.......now we are back to questions about how realistic some people are being.But I wasn't referring to the way teams do business, I was referring to the posters on here that are shocked and outraged!!, that a player show some displeasure with his team. And that a QB might want to be reassured by the new staff. How dare that talented young QB have questions about the 32-year-old head coach no one had heard about 24 months ago!

That's what I mean by reality-based.

 

[AnonymousBob]

ay Cutler-QB-Broncos Mar. 19 - 12:12 pm et A "confidant" of Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum told the NY Daily News that he believes Tannenbaum has already phoned the Broncos about Jay Cutler.The Denver Post reported Thursday morning that "at least four teams" have already called about Cutler. The Jets are likely among them. Look for more reports on Cutler during the Owners' Meetings over the weekend. Source: New York Daily News

The four teams?TampaDetroitWashingtonNYJ???

 

[Banger]

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Broncos' McDaniels won't pamper stars

Associated Press

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Josh McDaniels didn't get to bring his protege with him from New England to Denver. He sure brought the Patriots' management philosophies to the Mile High City, though.

Aside from the intricate Patriots-style offense he's installing in place of the West Coast system that's been here since the 1990s, the Broncos' new coach is instilling a tenet prized by his mentor, Bill Belichick, who, for the sake of team unity, never panders to superstars.

It helps explain why McDaniels didn't just hang up the phone when teams called about a three-way swap that would have sent his best player packing and brought Matt Cassel over from New England before he landed in Kansas City instead.

It also shows why McDaniels hasn't acquiesced in the resulting feud with recalcitrant quarterback Jay Cutler, who now wants a trade.

One player McDaniels did get to bring with him to Denver is free agent wide receiver Jabar Gaffney, who said McDaniels is just like Belichick in so many ways both on the football field and in the front office.

"Just how he handles business, the way he goes about treating everybody the same. Not showing favoritism to any one player who is supposed to be I guess a 'star,'" Gaffney said. "They don't care. They want a team. A team to go out there and win. Because the individuals won't win."

Gaffney saw those philosophies firsthand when McDaniels was New England's offensive coordinator the last three years.

Even Tom Brady, a three-time Super Bowl winner, caught plenty of guff from McDaniels, Gaffney recounted.

"Yeah, I think Tom got [chewed out] just about as much as everybody else did. So, that's great. Once you see your quarterback get talked to, then you know Coach is showing no favoritism," Gaffney said.

"Everybody has to show up and play."

Which is what the Broncos want Cutler, the face of their franchise, to do.

McDaniels is still waiting for Cutler to call him so they can try to work things out one last time. Cutler is in Nashville, Tenn., waiting for a phone call telling him the Broncos have heeded his request for a trade that he made Sunday through his agent, Bus Cook.

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In New England, Brady is notorious for his work ethic. But Gaffney said it wasn't just that Brady led by example.



"Everybody is held accountable," Gaffney said. "Tom did his thing, but I mean, whether he would have been there or not, everybody was going to go out there and work hard. Same thing that Josh kind of said in our team meeting: 'Everybody that's here, let's go to work. We're a team. That deal [with Cutler] with get handled.'

"So, we'll love to have him here," Gaffney said. "I was looking forward to meeting him. That will happen all in its time."

Unless Cutler forces his way out of Denver.

or maybe what the Patriots, the envy of the rest of the NFL, don't do things in a way that's reality based?

McDaniels <> Belichick. At least not yet. Just like the rest of his disciples have failed to mimick the Patriots blueprint. He may think he does already and that's why he's acting this way. He'll most likely be mistaken and it's going to cost Broncos fans a long time finding the next QB. It's the same idea as trying to take democracy and instill it in a foreign country that can't handle it. Just because it's so successful here doesn't mean it will be everywhere else. And if you don't have a backup plan, then you just screwed the pooch for a long time coming.

I was just going to post the exact same thing. BB has paid his dues and earned the respect of players and coaches while McDaniels is a 32 year old guy who's been an OC for a few seasons. Yes, he's had success but how much was due to him and how much due to his mentor? As has been pointed out the other Pat coaches that have left haven't been able to summon the BB magic so maybe it's not a learned trait but an inherent one. Most players aren't going to buy in unless they know they are going to get results. McDaniel is a rookie and has to start over and PROVE that he can win consistently before veterans that have been in the league longer than he has are going to be believers. Look at BB's history, it didn't happen instantly for him either.

I really cannot believe that they are actually going to trade Cutler. Even in the midst of all of this I thought they would let some time go by, have a cumbaya meeting, everyone hug and move on. This is a TERRIBLE mistake IMO.

 

[moleculo]

or maybe what the Patriots, the envy of the rest of the NFL, don't do things in a way that's reality based?

In reality, no other team has accomplished what the Pats have--ever (From the standpoint of players buying in, and sacrificing). If you think it's realistic for every plkayer in Denver to just assume the same stance as New England players because mcDaniels was there for awhile, well.......now we are back to questions about how realistic some people are being.But I wasn't referring to the way teams do business, I was referring to the posters on here that are shocked and outraged!!, that a player show some displeasure with his team. And that a QB might want to be reassured by the new staff. How dare that talented young QB have questions about the 32-year-old head coach no one had heard about 24 months ago!

That's what I mean by reality-based.

I think you are understating Cutlers reaction here. he's not just showing displeasure with his team, he's refusing to go to "voluntary" practices, ignoring phone calls from the owner, refusing to meet w/ the head coach w/o his agent, asking that he be traded, and waging a publicity war.

 

[tommyGunZ]

or maybe what the Patriots, the envy of the rest of the NFL, don't do things in a way that's reality based?

In reality, no other team has accomplished what the Pats have--ever (From the standpoint of players buying in, and sacrificing). If you think it's realistic for every plkayer in Denver to just assume the same stance as New England players because mcDaniels was there for awhile, well.......now we are back to questions about how realistic some people are being.But I wasn't referring to the way teams do business, I was referring to the posters on here that are shocked and outraged!!, that a player show some displeasure with his team. And that a QB might want to be reassured by the new staff. How dare that talented young QB have questions about the 32-year-old head coach no one had heard about 24 months ago!

That's what I mean by reality-based.

I'm not shocked or outraged - I've watched sports for too long and am well aware that many stars are whining babies. Apparently Jay Cutler is one of those whiners. I'm just calling it like I see it. McDaniel's philosophy is that it's a team game, and no one is greater than the team. Cutler supporters apparently feel that Jay Cutler is above that. I don't.

 

[bryan215]

If McDaniels and Bowlen are trying to reach Jay and want to have a 1 on 1 with him and he is refusing to return their calls then there is really nothing they can do.

If last year Mike McCarthy called Brett Farve and said lets sit down and have a heart to heart talk and clear the air about some stuff. Brett might not want to sit down but he would at least be professional enough to return the call and talk on the phone.

It doesn't seem like Jay is willing to do that. By all accounts he has ignored a lot of calls from McD/Bowlen and basically had his agent deal with everything.

The Bronco's FO def. screwed stuff up by not being more touchy feely with a younger QB who was upset that he was lied to/misled. But Cutler is def. showing his true colors and that deep down he still mentally appears to be a college QB who think the program is all about him.

Cutler has all the physical tools but by all reports is not big on film study/work ethic, not great at pre snap reads.

He also doesn't seem to have the leadership skills/mental matturity that you would want in a SB QB. Maybe he can learn that...or maybe he simply doesn't want to.

 

[gianmarco]

I'm just calling it like I see it. McDaniel's philosophy is that it's a team game and he's in charge, and no one is greater than the team him. Cutler supporters apparently feel that Jay Cutler is above that. I don't.

Fixed.

 

[Grahamburn]

ay Cutler-QB-Broncos Mar. 19 - 12:12 pm et A "confidant" of Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum told the NY Daily News that he believes Tannenbaum has already phoned the Broncos about Jay Cutler.The Denver Post reported Thursday morning that "at least four teams" have already called about Cutler. The Jets are likely among them. Look for more reports on Cutler during the Owners' Meetings over the weekend. Source: New York Daily News

The four teams?TampaDetroitWashingtonNYJ???

Which of these teams can put together the best package? If I'm Denver I want two firsts and a player, not necessarily a QB, at least.

 

[Banger]

Cutler has all the physical tools but by all reports is not bit on film study/work ethic.

He also doesn't seem to have the leadership skills/mental matturity that you would want in a SB QB. Maybe he can learn that...or maybe he simply doesn't want to.

I disagree with this. I have followed him fairly closely and have never heard anything but praise about his leadership prior to this incident. I believe he was voted the team captain by the players on the team. I think it basically boils down to Cutler feels like they tried to F### him and he's going to F### them back making them deal him. If that happens the Bronco's lose.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I was just going to post the exact same thing. BB has paid his dues and earned the respect of players and coaches while McDaniels is a 32 year old guy who's been an OC for a few seasons. Yes, he's had success but how much was due to him and how much due to his mentor? As has been pointed out the other Pat coaches that have left haven't been able to summon the BB magic so maybe it's not a learned trait but an inherent one. Most players aren't going to buy in unless they know they are going to get results. McDaniel is a rookie and has to start over and PROVE that he can win consistently before veterans that have been in the league longer than he has are going to be believers. Look at BB's history, it didn't happen instantly for him either.

I disagree with this line of thinking altogether. When a new boss comes in, you play under his rules, at least initially. The default is to respect your boss/coach/manager etc. You don't ask to see his resume and then blow him off because you don't think he deserves respect - that's not your role in the player-coach relationship.

I really cannot believe that they are actually going to trade Cutler. Even in the midst of all of this I thought they would let some time go by, have a cumbaya meeting, everyone hug and move on. This is a TERRIBLE mistake IMO.

Cutler isn't giving them much of an out here. It's not McDaniel's fault that Cutler is MIA and not corresponding with the team. The Broncos can't force Cutler to pick up the phone or attend team meetings.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I'm just calling it like I see it. McDaniel's philosophy is that it's a team game and he's in charge, and no one is greater than the team him. Cutler supporters apparently feel that Jay Cutler is above that. I don't.

Fixed.

Sure. Do you know any successful teams in which the coach is not in charge?

 

[gianmarco]

Cutler isn't giving them much of an out here. It's not McDaniel's fault that Cutler is MIA and not corresponding with the team. The Broncos can't force Cutler to pick up the phone or attend team meetings.

That statement is 100% false. It is absolutely McDaniel's fault. Right or not, his actions have led up to the current scenario.

 

[gump]

ay Cutler-QB-Broncos Mar. 19 - 12:12 pm et A "confidant" of Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum told the NY Daily News that he believes Tannenbaum has already phoned the Broncos about Jay Cutler.The Denver Post reported Thursday morning that "at least four teams" have already called about Cutler. The Jets are likely among them. Look for more reports on Cutler during the Owners' Meetings over the weekend. Source: New York Daily News

The four teams?TampaDetroitWashingtonNYJ???

Which of these teams can put together the best package? If I'm Denver I want two firsts and a player, not necessarily a QB, at least.

Michael Smith on ESPN said he thought that "Tampa was the highest possible destination for Cutler".

 

[thesurfshop19]

I've said it before, but this is just business. For both sides. Both sides are doing what they think is best for them in the long run.

I think the Broncos are making a mistake, but if they feel this is what's best in the long run -- particularly in making a statement as to how things are going to be run from now on -- that's their prerogative.

 

[moleculo]

Cutler isn't giving them much of an out here. It's not McDaniel's fault that Cutler is MIA and not corresponding with the team. The Broncos can't force Cutler to pick up the phone or attend team meetings.

That statement is 100% false. It is absolutely McDaniel's fault. Right or not, his actions have led up to the current scenario.

it takes two to tango. Very rarely are arguments 100% someones fault. McD has some fault, but Cutler has some as well. Like I said before, I believe that this all began when Shanahan was fired, not when McD was hired.

 

[massraider]

I'm not shocked or outraged - I've watched sports for too long and am well aware that many stars are whining babies. Apparently Jay Cutler is one of those whiners.

I'm just calling it like I see it. McDaniel's philosophy is that it's a team game, and no one is greater than the team. Cutler supporters apparently feel that Jay Cutler is above that. I don't.

Well, OK.

 

[gianmarco]

I'm just calling it like I see it. McDaniel's philosophy is that it's a team game and he's in charge, and no one is greater than the team him. Cutler supporters apparently feel that Jay Cutler is above that. I don't.

Fixed.

Sure. Do you know any successful teams in which the coach is not in charge?

Yep. Dungy would never pull that crap with Peyton that McDaniels did with Cutler. They won a Super Bowl. Most good coaches are able to coexist with their star players (yes, Cutler is a star player for the Broncos). Belichick is the exception to the rule.

 

[thesurfshop19]

Also, not saying that Cutler is on par with Elway, but it's well known that Shanahan had a different mindset as to star players being treated differently than others. I believe other teams, like the 90s Cowboys, were similar in that regard too.

There are different schools of thought in terms of running an organization. Both have had success.

 

[gianmarco]

Cutler isn't giving them much of an out here. It's not McDaniel's fault that Cutler is MIA and not corresponding with the team. The Broncos can't force Cutler to pick up the phone or attend team meetings.

That statement is 100% false. It is absolutely McDaniel's fault. Right or not, his actions have led up to the current scenario.

it takes two to tango. Very rarely are arguments 100% someones fault. McD has some fault, but Cutler has some as well. Like I said before, I believe that this all began when Shanahan was fired, not when McD was hired.

Exactly. I find fault with both parties. And I find a LOT of fault with both parties. This isn't even a 50/50 type thing. Both of these guys deserve about 80% of the blame. To say it's not McDaniels' fault in the result of what Cutler has done is completely wrong. He had the option to smooth things over and decided to maintain his stance. Right or wrong, that was his decision to make and he made it. He now has to live with the consequences of that stance which were painfully obvious to happen. So Cutler's reaction is McDaniels' fault as much as it is Cutler's.

 

[Banger]

I was just going to post the exact same thing. BB has paid his dues and earned the respect of players and coaches while McDaniels is a 32 year old guy who's been an OC for a few seasons. Yes, he's had success but how much was due to him and how much due to his mentor? As has been pointed out the other Pat coaches that have left haven't been able to summon the BB magic so maybe it's not a learned trait but an inherent one. Most players aren't going to buy in unless they know they are going to get results. McDaniel is a rookie and has to start over and PROVE that he can win consistently before veterans that have been in the league longer than he has are going to be believers. Look at BB's history, it didn't happen instantly for him either.

I disagree with this line of thinking altogether. When a new boss comes in, you play under his rules, at least initially. The default is to respect your boss/coach/manager etc. You don't ask to see his resume and then blow him off because you don't think he deserves respect - that's not your role in the player-coach relationship.

I really cannot believe that they are actually going to trade Cutler. Even in the midst of all of this I thought they would let some time go by, have a cumbaya meeting, everyone hug and move on. This is a TERRIBLE mistake IMO.

Cutler isn't giving them much of an out here. It's not McDaniel's fault that Cutler is MIA and not corresponding with the team. The Broncos can't force Cutler to pick up the phone or attend team meetings.

It's a two way street. You give respect you get respect. He's got no track record to speak of that the players can/should bow down to him but I'm sure he was given the benefit of the doubt and given respect when he first arrived. Cutler certainly didn't make this stink right off the bat, it really boiled over after their meeting so something was done/said there that burned the bridge.When a rookie coach's his 1st moves is to try to deal the team leader and best player, then lie about it and then not reassure the player that he's going to be the QB of the future, then at that point I can understand a guy not being happy, losing whatever respect he had for the coach and start looking out for himself. I would do the same thing in my life if I got a new boss that tried to bring in his guy, then lie about it and then proceed to tell me that ya, you know I didn't get my other guy in here but I still may bring in someone to replace you. You can be sure that I'm not gonna say "well, let me be a team player and I'll cross my fingers and hope that he doesn't bring in someone and fire me". I'm gonna put out my feelers and look to protect myself and my family and I don't have a problem with Cutler doing the same.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I want to point out that I often take the players side in contract situations. I have no problem with a player using whatever leverage he has to ensure that he is being properly compensated. I may disagree with a players sense of self worth, but have no problem with holdouts when a player decides it's in his best interest financially to use his leverage.

This is an entirely different situation. Jay Cutler is MIA because his feelings are hurt by a situation that occurs daily in the NFL (trade rumors). That's unacceptable.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

ay Cutler-QB-Broncos Mar. 19 - 12:12 pm et A "confidant" of Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum told the NY Daily News that he believes Tannenbaum has already phoned the Broncos about Jay Cutler.The Denver Post reported Thursday morning that "at least four teams" have already called about Cutler. The Jets are likely among them. Look for more reports on Cutler during the Owners' Meetings over the weekend. Source: New York Daily News

The four teams?TampaDetroitWashingtonNYJ???

Which of these teams can put together the best package? If I'm Denver I want two firsts and a player, not necessarily a QB, at least.

Michael Smith on ESPN said he thought that "Tampa was the highest possible destination for Cutler".

The problem with all 4 of these teams is that they really dont have a starting caliber QB to offer up in the deal. Jason Campbell is the best of the bunch, and if I am Denver, I do not want my franchise on Jason Campbell's shoulders any more than the Skins do.I think it is gonna be tough to make a deal work with any of these teams, unless a 3rd team is brough tinto the mix that can offer up a solid QB in the deal. Cleveland still looks like a solid trade partner with Quinn or Anderson. Arizona could possibly get involved with Leinart in the mix. I just think it would be tough for the Denver fanbase to go from having a young pro-bowler at QB to Luke McCown. Unfortunately, they may not have a choice.

 

[massraider]

or maybe what the Patriots, the envy of the rest of the NFL, don't do things in a way that's reality based?

In reality, no other team has accomplished what the Pats have--ever (From the standpoint of players buying in, and sacrificing). If you think it's realistic for every plkayer in Denver to just assume the same stance as New England players because mcDaniels was there for awhile, well.......now we are back to questions about how realistic some people are being.But I wasn't referring to the way teams do business, I was referring to the posters on here that are shocked and outraged!!, that a player show some displeasure with his team. And that a QB might want to be reassured by the new staff. How dare that talented young QB have questions about the 32-year-old head coach no one had heard about 24 months ago!

That's what I mean by reality-based.

I think you are understating Cutlers reaction here. he's not just showing displeasure with his team, he's refusing to go to "voluntary" practices, ignoring phone calls from the owner, refusing to meet w/ the head coach w/o his agent, asking that he be traded, and waging a publicity war.

This is true. Well, except for the publicity war part. Sounds a little bit like the Broncos are blameless with regards to playing the media, and I don't believe that.Mu understating Cutler's reaction (which is true) has nothing to do with people's reactions however. they were saying this from Day 1 of this dispute. I don't know if they are being deliberately obtuse, like TommyGunz, or if they truly have that little idea of the way things actually work.

 

[Banger]

Also, not saying that Cutler is on par with Elway, but it's well known that Shanahan had a different mindset as to star players being treated differently than others. I believe other teams, like the 90s Cowboys, were similar in that regard too.There are different schools of thought in terms of running an organization. Both have had success.

Parcells too. Most coaches deal with different players in different ways for good reason because some are more important, like it or not.

 

[gianmarco]

This is an entirely different situation. Jay Cutler is MIA because his feelings are hurt by a situation that occurs daily in the NFL (trade rumors). That's unacceptable.

Why is that unacceptable?

 

[massraider]

Jay Cutler is MIA because his feelings are hurt by a situation that occurs daily in the NFL (trade rumors). That's unacceptable.

Like I said. Deliberately obtuse. This kind of trade talk doesn't occur daily, and you know this.

And don't forget that the new regime lied to him about the trade talk.

 

[moleculo]

or maybe what the Patriots, the envy of the rest of the NFL, don't do things in a way that's reality based?

In reality, no other team has accomplished what the Pats have--ever (From the standpoint of players buying in, and sacrificing). If you think it's realistic for every plkayer in Denver to just assume the same stance as New England players because mcDaniels was there for awhile, well.......now we are back to questions about how realistic some people are being.But I wasn't referring to the way teams do business, I was referring to the posters on here that are shocked and outraged!!, that a player show some displeasure with his team. And that a QB might want to be reassured by the new staff. How dare that talented young QB have questions about the 32-year-old head coach no one had heard about 24 months ago!

That's what I mean by reality-based.

I think you are understating Cutlers reaction here. he's not just showing displeasure with his team, he's refusing to go to "voluntary" practices, ignoring phone calls from the owner, refusing to meet w/ the head coach w/o his agent, asking that he be traded, and waging a publicity war.

This is true. Well, except for the publicity war part. Sounds a little bit like the Broncos are blameless with regards to playing the media, and I don't believe that.Mu understating Cutler's reaction (which is true) has nothing to do with people's reactions however. they were saying this from Day 1 of this dispute. I don't know if they are being deliberately obtuse, like TommyGunz, or if they truly have that little idea of the way things actually work.

no, they are both playing the media for sure. I'd say though, that the Cutler/Cook camp fired the first shot - it certainly wouldn't be in Denvers best interest to let it be known publicly that the star employee is disgruntled - and the media war seems to be Cooks MO.

 

[Banger]

I want to point out that I often take the players side in contract situations. I have no problem with a player using whatever leverage he has to ensure that he is being properly compensated. I may disagree with a players sense of self worth, but have no problem with holdouts when a player decides it's in his best interest financially to use his leverage.This is an entirely different situation. Jay Cutler is MIA because his feelings are hurt by a situation that occurs daily in the NFL (trade rumors). That's unacceptable.

ok, so if he had 3 years left on his deal (like he does now) and he said just woke up in preseason and said that he wasn't going to report until they worked a new deal out for him, you'd have no problem with that? but, when a coach doesn't want him to be their QB and in turn he doesn't want to play for that coach and wants to play for another team, you have a problem with that?

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

Jay Cutler-QB-Broncos Mar. 19 - 3:18 pm et

The Bucs and Lions "appear to be the frontrunners" to trade for Jay Cutler, according to the Newark Star-Ledger.

The paper has the Jets "in the conversation," but calls it a long shot because New York lacks the ammo for a trade unless another team steps in. The most likely third party could be the Browns, who'd offer up one of their QBs.

Source: Newark Star-Ledger

 

[massraider]

no, they are both playing the media for sure. I'd say though, that the Cutler/Cook camp fired the first shot - it certainly wouldn't be in Denvers best interest to let it be known publicly that the star employee is disgruntled - and the media war seems to be Cooks MO.

Kind of a small point, but I agree 100%.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I'm just calling it like I see it. McDaniel's philosophy is that it's a team game and he's in charge, and no one is greater than the team him. Cutler supporters apparently feel that Jay Cutler is above that. I don't.

Fixed.

Sure. Do you know any successful teams in which the coach is not in charge?

Yep. Dungy would never pull that crap with Peyton that McDaniels did with Cutler. They won a Super Bowl. Most good coaches are able to coexist with their star players (yes, Cutler is a star player for the Broncos). Belichick is the exception to the rule.

I disagree. Although Dungy gave Peyton a ton of rope, I think that Dungy ultimately called the shots. Keep in mind that Peyton's leash was long b/c his 6-8 yrs working with Dungy, and b/c he's probably the greatest QB to ever lace'm up. Cutler and McDaniel don't have that relationship, and Cutler ain't Peyton Manning.

 

[gump]

Jay Cutler-QB-Broncos Mar. 19 - 3:18 pm et The Bucs and Lions "appear to be the frontrunners" to trade for Jay Cutler, according to the Newark Star-Ledger.The paper has the Jets "in the conversation," but calls it a long shot because New York lacks the ammo for a trade unless another team steps in. The most likely third party could be the Browns, who'd offer up one of their QBs. Source: Newark Star-Ledger

Do the Lions really want to do this? Don't they have too many holes to fill?

 

[twitch]

I continue to see Jay Cutler compared to Peyton Manning and John Elway, when the guy really needs to be compared to Jeff George. Can we atleast stop with the Elway and Manning comparisons. Neither one of those guys would ever be taking this junk to such a level. Elway had absolutely no connection to Baltimore when he did what he did. None. He thought it was a sinking ship in Baltimore, and history proved him right. But enough of comparing this cry baby to HOF QBs who do everything the right way. Call a spade a spade, at least.

 

[gump]

NJ.Com link

I still believe it's a long shot the Jets will land Cutler because as I reported on Monday, the Jets need a third team because they don't have the ammo to get Cutler. And, I don't think they would give up a bevy of draft picks to acquire him.

The Bucs, however, appear more than willing to give the Broncos whatever it would take to get Cutler. And the Lions have the first pick in the draft, with which the Broncos could draft a quarterback.

 

[massraider]

I continue to see Jay Cutler compared to Peyton Manning and John Elway, when the guy really needs to be compared to Jeff George. Can we atleast stop with the Elway and Manning comparisons. Neither one of those guys would ever be taking this junk to such a level. Elway had absolutely no connection to Baltimore when he did what he did. None. He thought it was a sinking ship in Baltimore, and history proved him right. But enough of comparing this cry baby to HOF QBs who do everything the right way. Call a spade a spade, at least.

Does it matter? He's a crybaby. There you go. He's no Elway (He waited till he had accomplished something in the league before demanding a trade).He's a crybaby.I agree.has anything changed?

 

[candymanvandyfan]

Yesterday, my employer invited me to volunteer to run in a 5k this weekend. I told him I wouldn't be there. He said, "But you get a free t-shirt and a certificate of appreciation." "No, thank you," I said.

Yesterday evening, my boss rang me on my Blackberry about a work issue. I was at dinner with my spouse. I ignored the call and kept eating.

It's why they call it "my time." I'm not a serf or an indentured servant. Jay Cutler isn't either.

Would you volunteer to spend your free time learning company-unique computer applications that you don't use now, aren't ever going to use, and for which there will be mandatory training during work-time if they should ever make you use it?

If Jay Cutler is "just an employee" and the team is shopping him like a bull, why would Jay Cutler want to "volunteer" to learn a new offense that he's never going to run? Jay was volunteering to learn the new offense in Denver side-by-side with the Broncos coach AS THE COACH WAS TRYING TO SHOP HIM to DETROIT to try to pick up a pine-rider with whom he had a former bromance.

Even without the McDaniels public lies, I don't know that I'd be too pleased either.

 

[candymanvandyfan]

I continue to see Jay Cutler compared to Peyton Manning and John Elway, when the guy really needs to be compared to Jeff George. Can we atleast stop with the Elway and Manning comparisons. Neither one of those guys would ever be taking this junk to such a level. Elway had absolutely no connection to Baltimore when he did what he did. None. He thought it was a sinking ship in Baltimore, and history proved him right. But enough of comparing this cry baby to HOF QBs who do everything the right way. Call a spade a spade, at least.

Why don't you run the numbers?Jay Cutler at 25 versus Jeff George at 25.Jay Cutler at 25 versus John Elway at 25. OK, great, I'll check back.

 

[moleculo]

I continue to see Jay Cutler compared to Peyton Manning and John Elway, when the guy really needs to be compared to Jeff George. Can we atleast stop with the Elway and Manning comparisons. Neither one of those guys would ever be taking this junk to such a level. Elway had absolutely no connection to Baltimore when he did what he did. None. He thought it was a sinking ship in Baltimore, and history proved him right. But enough of comparing this cry baby to HOF QBs who do everything the right way. Call a spade a spade, at least.

actually, when presented with a similar situation, Elway threatened retirement.In 1992 (or thereabouts), reeves fired Elways positional coach (Shanahan), secured Elways replacement (Tommy Maddox), and tried to trade Elway to Washington. Elway, at that time, was so frustruated with putting up w/ Reeves that he bought a car dealership (presumably to have something else to focus on), and was ready to retire.Bowlen stepped in, fired Reeves, tried to hire Shanahan (whom wasn't ready for another HC stint after the debacle in LA), and hired Wade Phillips. Two years later, Reeves hired Shanahan and the rest is history.The difference here is that Elway had Bowlen's support, Cutler does not. Another key element is that Elway/Reeves dispute had years to develop; the Cutler/McD has boiled over in a matter of weeks.

 

[massraider]

Eric Mangini was fired as the New York Jets’ coach after a disappointing conclusion to the 2008 season, but he could become a key factor in what would be the team’s biggest acquisition since, well, Brett Favre.

Close to one year after he welcomed Favre’s short stay in the Big Apple, Mangini could help facilitate a deal that would put disgruntled Denver Broncos QB Jay Cutler in green and white, Rich Cimini writes in Thursday’s New York Daily News.

Cimini suggests that the Jets have two of the three pieces required to make a move for Cutler — the salary-cap room and the draft picks. But the third element, a tradeable quarterback, is something that might require the help of a third team. Enter Mangini and his new team, the Cleveland Browns, who Cimini notes has two starting quarterbacks.

“The former Jets coach has two viable quarterbacks, Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson, neither of whom has received an endorsement from Mangini. Quinn might be appealing to Broncos coach Josh McDaniels because he played at Notre Dame under Charlie Weis, who used to work with McDaniels in New England. Quinn is well-versed in the Weis/Patriots offensive system, which McDaniels will use in Denver.

“That means the Browns could emerge as the third team in a potential three-way trade. The main components of a three-way deal would be the Jets getting Cutler, the Broncos getting Quinn and the Browns getting a premium draft pick (or picks) to help their rebuilding process. Without Mangini, the Jets would be hard-pressed to swing the deal.”

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/19/could-jets...lp-land-cutler/

 

[twitch]

I continue to see Jay Cutler compared to Peyton Manning and John Elway, when the guy really needs to be compared to Jeff George. Can we atleast stop with the Elway and Manning comparisons. Neither one of those guys would ever be taking this junk to such a level. Elway had absolutely no connection to Baltimore when he did what he did. None. He thought it was a sinking ship in Baltimore, and history proved him right. But enough of comparing this cry baby to HOF QBs who do everything the right way. Call a spade a spade, at least.

Why don't you run the numbers?Jay Cutler at 25 versus Jeff George at 25.Jay Cutler at 25 versus John Elway at 25. OK, great, I'll check back.

What do you want? The wins, the stats or both? Or does that even matter? Obviously NOT comparing him to HOFers isnt gonna accomplish much. Im just tired of giving that guy that level of respect.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I have followed him fairly closely and have never heard anything but praise about his leadership prior to this incident.

Before this incident, I saw him be oversensitive in interviews, and I'd read that a lot of his teammates don't like him.

 

[Banger]

I continue to see Jay Cutler compared to Peyton Manning and John Elway, when the guy really needs to be compared to Jeff George. Can we atleast stop with the Elway and Manning comparisons. Neither one of those guys would ever be taking this junk to such a level. Elway had absolutely no connection to Baltimore when he did what he did. None. He thought it was a sinking ship in Baltimore, and history proved him right. But enough of comparing this cry baby to HOF QBs who do everything the right way. Call a spade a spade, at least.

Why don't you run the numbers?Jay Cutler at 25 versus Jeff George at 25.Jay Cutler at 25 versus John Elway at 25. OK, great, I'll check back.

What do you want? The wins, the stats or both? Or does that even matter? Obviously NOT comparing him to HOFers isnt gonna accomplish much. Im just tired of giving that guy that level of respect.

actually Cutler's 1st 3 years blow Elways away in pretty much every category, completion % 53% Elway, 62% Cutler, 47 TDs Elway/54 Cutler, pickoffs 47 Elway/37 Cutler, yards 8,152 Elway/9024 Cutler, yards per attempt 6.55 Elway/7.39 Cutler. This is despite playing 10% fewer games (37) vs. 42. Not bad.

 

[Grahamburn]

ay Cutler-QB-Broncos Mar. 19 - 12:12 pm et A "confidant" of Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum told the NY Daily News that he believes Tannenbaum has already phoned the Broncos about Jay Cutler.The Denver Post reported Thursday morning that "at least four teams" have already called about Cutler. The Jets are likely among them. Look for more reports on Cutler during the Owners' Meetings over the weekend. Source: New York Daily News

The four teams?TampaDetroitWashingtonNYJ???

Which of these teams can put together the best package? If I'm Denver I want two firsts and a player, not necessarily a QB, at least.

Michael Smith on ESPN said he thought that "Tampa was the highest possible destination for Cutler".

That would certainly make my day. It would also give Tampa's offense quite a bit of potential for scoring some serious points.1st and 3rd this year + 1st next year enough?

 

[moleculo]

I continue to see Jay Cutler compared to Peyton Manning and John Elway, when the guy really needs to be compared to Jeff George. Can we atleast stop with the Elway and Manning comparisons. Neither one of those guys would ever be taking this junk to such a level. Elway had absolutely no connection to Baltimore when he did what he did. None. He thought it was a sinking ship in Baltimore, and history proved him right. But enough of comparing this cry baby to HOF QBs who do everything the right way. Call a spade a spade, at least.

Why don't you run the numbers?Jay Cutler at 25 versus Jeff George at 25.Jay Cutler at 25 versus John Elway at 25. OK, great, I'll check back.

What do you want? The wins, the stats or both? Or does that even matter? Obviously NOT comparing him to HOFers isnt gonna accomplish much. Im just tired of giving that guy that level of respect.

actually Cutler's 1st 3 years blow Elways away in pretty much every category, completion % 53% Elway, 62% Cutler, 47 TDs Elway/54 Cutler, pickoffs 47 Elway/37 Cutler, yards 8,152 Elway/9024 Cutler, yards per attempt 6.55 Elway/7.39 Cutler. This is despite playing 10% fewer games (37) vs. 42. Not bad.

of course, Elway was handicapped by having Reeves calling the plays, whereas Cutler had Shanahan. Big difference. Elway also had the Broncos in the SB after his 3rd year (yes, he had a much better D to work with).

 

[Banger]

I continue to see Jay Cutler compared to Peyton Manning and John Elway, when the guy really needs to be compared to Jeff George. Can we atleast stop with the Elway and Manning comparisons. Neither one of those guys would ever be taking this junk to such a level. Elway had absolutely no connection to Baltimore when he did what he did. None. He thought it was a sinking ship in Baltimore, and history proved him right. But enough of comparing this cry baby to HOF QBs who do everything the right way. Call a spade a spade, at least.

Why don't you run the numbers?Jay Cutler at 25 versus Jeff George at 25.Jay Cutler at 25 versus John Elway at 25. OK, great, I'll check back.

What do you want? The wins, the stats or both? Or does that even matter? Obviously NOT comparing him to HOFers isnt gonna accomplish much. Im just tired of giving that guy that level of respect.

actually Cutler's 1st 3 years blow Elways away in pretty much every category, completion % 53% Elway, 62% Cutler, 47 TDs Elway/54 Cutler, pickoffs 47 Elway/37 Cutler, yards 8,152 Elway/9024 Cutler, yards per attempt 6.55 Elway/7.39 Cutler. This is despite playing 10% fewer games (37) vs. 42. Not bad.

of course, Elway was handicapped by having Reeves calling the plays, whereas Cutler had Shanahan. Big difference. Elway also had the Broncos in the SB after his 3rd year (yes, he had a much better D to work with).

Agreed and the game was different back then but Elways numbers out the gate, especially the picks and completion % were not good. In that 3rd year he threw for 22tds and 23 picks with a 54% completion rate as opposed to 25-18 for Cutler with a 62.3% comp rate.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Reality-based:

Quarterbacks are different than 'players'. They are. Some players get treated better than others. Some players get coddled, some players get to skip parts of training camp. Some players are more important than other players. Some players are more important than coaches. This whole, "I am the head coach, you are the player" nonsense..........this isn't the 1950's, people. It just doesn't work like that anymore.

This has always been the case for the most part. There's the famous Jimmy Johnson quote/joke that goes something like "When your backup safety falls asleep during film sessions you cut him to make a point. When Troy Aikman falls alseep during film sessions, you gently nudge him until he wakes up".

 

[massraider]

Reality-based:

Quarterbacks are different than 'players'. They are. Some players get treated better than others. Some players get coddled, some players get to skip parts of training camp. Some players are more important than other players. Some players are more important than coaches. This whole, "I am the head coach, you are the player" nonsense..........this isn't the 1950's, people. It just doesn't work like that anymore.

This has always been the case for the most part. There's the famous Jimmy Johnson quote/joke that goes something like "When your backup safety falls asleep during film sessions you cut him to make a point. When Troy Aikman falls alseep during film sessions, you gently nudge him until he wakes up".

Which is why I don't get people pretending otherwise.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

ay Cutler-QB-Broncos Mar. 19 - 12:12 pm et A "confidant" of Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum told the NY Daily News that he believes Tannenbaum has already phoned the Broncos about Jay Cutler.The Denver Post reported Thursday morning that "at least four teams" have already called about Cutler. The Jets are likely among them. Look for more reports on Cutler during the Owners' Meetings over the weekend. Source: New York Daily News

The four teams?TampaDetroitWashingtonNYJ???

Which of these teams can put together the best package? If I'm Denver I want two firsts and a player, not necessarily a QB, at least.

None of those teams really ahve a desirable QB to give back anyway. The Daily News specualted today that the Jets could reach out to Mangini to get him involved so that Quinn or Anderson can be sent to Denver. Apparently Tannenbaum really went to bat for Mangini to get him teh Cleveland job - he went above and beyond in his recommendations.

 

[candymanvandyfan]

Just for sport, and to save twitch the trouble:

Through three seasons. Also, with these quarterbacks, through the age of 25:

Games Started

John Elway 40

Eli Manning 39

Jeff George 38

Troy Aikman 38

Jay Cutler 37

Joe Montana 24

Philip Rivers 18

Completions

Jay Cutler 762

Eli Manning 690

John Elway 664

Jeff George 640

Troy Aikman 618

Joe Montana 500

Philip Rivers 301

Passing Yards

Jay Cutler 9024

Eli Manning 8079

John Elway 8152

Jeff George 7025

Troy Aikman 7082

Joe Montana 5456

Philip Rivers 3536

Touchdowns

Jay Cutler 54

Eli Manning 54

John Elway 47

Joe Montana 35

Jeff George 33

Troy Aikman 31

Philip Rivers 23

Interceptions

Philip Rivers 10

Joe Montana 21

Jay Cutler 37

Jeff George 40

Eli Manning 44

Troy Aikman 46

John Elway 52

Cutler is 25. He certainly has the potential to be a great player, as many players do at that age. He is certainly not trending badly for a 25 year old.

As a rancher once told me, though, potential is the nail you can't hang your chaps on. Perhaps McDaniels will be better with someone more experienced like Jeff Garcia.

 

[twitch]

Just for sport, and to save twitch the trouble:Through three seasons. Also, with these quarterbacks, through the age of 25:Games StartedJohn Elway 40Eli Manning 39Jeff George 38Troy Aikman 38Jay Cutler 37Joe Montana 24Philip Rivers 18CompletionsJay Cutler 762Eli Manning 690John Elway 664Jeff George 640Troy Aikman 618Joe Montana 500Philip Rivers 301Passing YardsJay Cutler 9024Eli Manning 8079John Elway 8152Jeff George 7025Troy Aikman 7082Joe Montana 5456Philip Rivers 3536TouchdownsJay Cutler 54Eli Manning 54John Elway 47Joe Montana 35Jeff George 33Troy Aikman 31Philip Rivers 23InterceptionsPhilip Rivers 10Joe Montana 21Jay Cutler 37Jeff George 40Eli Manning 44Troy Aikman 46John Elway 52Cutler is 25. He certainly has the potential to be a great player, as many players do at that age. He is certainly not trending badly for a 25 year old. As a rancher once told me, though, potential is the nail you can't hang your chaps on. Perhaps McDaniels will be better with someone more experienced like Jeff Garcia.

They dont keep track of wins anymore? Or playoff appearances? I know, I know. A QB cant do it all by himself. What was I thinking? Go back and dig up some win totals.