Cutler year two (1 Viewer)

[King of the Jungle]

He intrigues as a player that can make a big leap in year two.

POSITIVES

-Can make all of the NFL throws.

-Prototypical size.

-Above average mobility.

-Solid run game supporting him.

-Two large, athletic targets on the outside.

-Two above average TEs.

NEGATIVES

-The obvious growth it takes from college to the pros.

-Takes chances based on his arm strength.

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What is the general consensus on this guy? I like him to become the best out of 06's big rookie 3. Does anyone else think he has the talent to become top 5 in the next couple years, maybe top 12 this year?

 

[nygiants56]

he could be a top 10 QB in 2007. Shanahan loves to throw the deep ball, and I'd expect that to happen quite a bit this season. Henry gives them a solid run game to keep defenses 'honest', and Graham's signing is significant in that it will bolster the O-line, and add another dimension to the passing game.I'd rather have Cutler over Eli at this point. What does Eli do without Tiki and a solid running game?

Culter, in that offense, should produce better numbers than,say, Phil Rivers, Eli, etc.

I'd expect to see somewhere around 23-24 td passes, with another 2-4 TD runs for Cutler in '07 ( most of them coming off bootlegs at the goal line).

Shanahan has finally found his QB!

 

[SSOG]

It's so hard to say what's going to happen in year 2 of the Cutler Era... but that won't stop me from offering my shot-in-the-dark guesses about it.

I don't think he's going to be a top-10 QB this year, because few QBs are top-10 material by their second year. I do, however, think that he'll be above average (not great, but good, and with a lot of hope for the future). What I'm really geeking out for is 2008. By that point, Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler will (hopefully) have developed into solid pros, and if the connection Cutler has with them right now is great, in two years it'll be preternatural.

Also, I'm a University of Florida fan, and memories of Cutler's college days leave me really excited about his potential as a pro. Basically, at Vanderbuilt, it was Jay Cutler and the Pips... and yet he was still the most terrifying player in the entire league. In his senior season, he single-handedly battled the Gators to a standstill, and he might have even won the game if not for a questionable penalty as he was lining up to try the winning 2pc (Vandy wound up kicking the XP and losing in overtime).

For this season, I think Cutler will be a solid fantasy #2, and will be good enough that he wont hurt Denver's receivers' chances at becoming fantasy stars (in particular, look for a huge year from Tony Scheffler).

 

[Banger]

Cutler only played 5 games last year and despite all the pressure of stepping in in his rookie year and replacing a vet he finished 9th on a PPG basis. In his 5 starts he had 2 td's in 4 of them. I'll try to grab him as my late #1/early backup next year. I don't question his ability because I watched all his games last year and he got better each game. He really has a ROCKET for an arm and is not afraid to use it but I do question how much Denver's offense will throw the ball around. I could see a lot of stat lines of 156-2-1 just because they won't need to throw the ball.

He will be a star in a few years.

 

[cstu]

It's so hard to say what's going to happen in year 2 of the Cutler Era... but that won't stop me from offering my shot-in-the-dark guesses about it.

I don't think he's going to be a top-10 QB this year, because few QBs are top-10 material by their second year. I do, however, think that he'll be above average (not great, but good, and with a lot of hope for the future). What I'm really geeking out for is 2008. By that point, Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler will (hopefully) have developed into solid pros, and if the connection Cutler has with them right now is great, in two years it'll be preternatural.

Also, I'm a University of Florida fan, and memories of Cutler's college days leave me really excited about his potential as a pro. Basically, at Vanderbuilt, it was Jay Cutler and the Pips... and yet he was still the most terrifying player in the entire league. In his senior season, he single-handedly battled the Gators to a standstill, and he might have even won the game if not for a questionable penalty as he was lining up to try the winning 2pc (Vandy wound up kicking the XP and losing in overtime).

For this season, I think Cutler will be a solid fantasy #2, and will be good enough that he wont hurt Denver's receivers' chances at becoming fantasy stars (in particular, look for a huge year from Tony Scheffler).

 

[LHUCKS]

Really tough call...Denver QBs historically have a low ceiling, but then again Javon Walker is the caliber of WR that can change that.

With Henry in town I think you'll see a well balanced offense with solid, yet unspectacular ff passing numbers. I'll probably have him projected around #20 but wont draft him that high because of his low ceiling.

 

[-OZ-]

He intrigues as a player that can make a big leap in year two.POSITIVES-Can make all of the NFL throws.-Prototypical size.-Above average mobility.-Solid run game supporting him.-Two large, athletic targets on the outside.-Two above average TEs.NEGATIVES-The obvious growth it takes from college to the pros.-Takes chances based on his arm strength.-?What is the general consensus on this guy? I like him to become the best out of 06's big rookie 3. Does anyone else think he has the talent to become top 5 in the next couple years, maybe top 12 this year?

Talent to become a top 5? YesLikely? Not really.I think the big 3 will all be good QBs for many years, picking the best of them will be a challenge. I happen to prefer VY, but I'm becoming a Titans and have been a Big XII fan for years.I'd be confortable with Cutler as my 1b in dynasty or #2 in a redraft. He has the surrounding talent to be great. The Cutler/Walker/Marshall/Scheffler group is very exciting and should perform well. There's just too much risk with a QB who has only started 5 games to take him as your #1 in a redraft. Not to mention, he'll probably be overvalued in drafts.

 

[SSOG]

Really tough call...Denver QBs historically have a low ceiling, but then again Javon Walker is the caliber of WR that can change that. With Henry in town I think you'll see a well balanced offense with solid, yet unspectacular ff passing numbers. I'll probably have him projected around #20 but wont draft him that high because of his low ceiling.

I don't know about that "low ceiling" thing. Elway was a top-5 QB every year from 93 to 97, Elway/Brister was a top-5 QB in 98, Griese/Frerotte was a top-5 QB in 2000, Jake Plummer was a top-5 QB in 2003 if you pro-rate his numbers, and was a top-5 QB in 2004 without the need for pro-rating. That's 9 of the last 14 seasons where either Denver's QB finished in the top 5, or else Denver's QB would have finished in the top 5 if he hadn't gotten injured.Now, usually those top 5 finishes were in the 3-5 range, so if by "low ceiling" you meant that Denver's QB is very, very unlikely to finish as the #1 QB in the entire league, then I buy that... but I daresay you'd be hard pressed to find any team other than Indianapolis that has as strong of a history of top-5 finishes.As for your projection of Cutler as QB20... no QB under Shanahan has played a full season and finished lower than 11th (although if Griese hadn't missed a game in 2001, he probably would have finished 15th or so). Unless you expect Cutler to get injured, I'd daresay your prediction is probably a bit low.

 

[LHUCKS]

Really tough call...Denver QBs historically have a low ceiling, but then again Javon Walker is the caliber of WR that can change that. With Henry in town I think you'll see a well balanced offense with solid, yet unspectacular ff passing numbers. I'll probably have him projected around #20 but wont draft him that high because of his low ceiling.

I don't know about that "low ceiling" thing. Elway was a top-5 QB every year from 93 to 97, Elway/Brister was a top-5 QB in 98, Griese/Frerotte was a top-5 QB in 2000, Jake Plummer was a top-5 QB in 2003 if you pro-rate his numbers, and was a top-5 QB in 2004 without the need for pro-rating. That's 9 of the last 14 seasons where either Denver's QB finished in the top 5, or else Denver's QB would have finished in the top 5 if he hadn't gotten injured.Now, usually those top 5 finishes were in the 3-5 range, so if by "low ceiling" you meant that Denver's QB is very, very unlikely to finish as the #1 QB in the entire league, then I buy that... but I daresay you'd be hard pressed to find any team other than Indianapolis that has as strong of a history of top-5 finishes.As for your projection of Cutler as QB20... no QB under Shanahan has played a full season and finished lower than 11th (although if Griese hadn't missed a game in 2001, he probably would have finished 15th or so). Unless you expect Cutler to get injured, I'd daresay your prediction is probably a bit low.

I'll get to this post tonight...gotta finish up work.

 

[Bri]

I wasn't all that impressed.

I hear ya on the historical stats SSOG but the guy's got a long ways to go. Year 2 in Shanny's scheme will probably seem way easier for him but this is a real tough call IMO

 

[Titus Pullo]

Cutler has thrown a TD in 5 straight games (which is also every game he started), 4 of those 5 he has thrown 2 TDs in. Leinart and Young are not up to Cutler's level in those categories.

 

[Iron Mike Tomczak]

I don't think the Broncs make the playoffs.

 

[Bri]

Cutler has thrown a TD in 5 straight games (which is also every game he started), 4 of those 5 he has thrown 2 TDs in. Leinart and Young are not up to Cutler's level in those categories.

That'd be good if 1 TD per game meant anything. 2 in 4 of 5 is good.200 ypg passing isn't very good IMO. I know I know if it's over a 16 game season that's 3200 and well I guess I'm a hypocrite then.Leinart and Young didn't do well in passing yards per game either and rooks rarely do, but that's further proof of a team guarding their rook from making dopey mistakes. I expect all 3 coaches to take the reins off and well we'll see how they do of course.I think Leinart destroyed Minny or Det but that's about it for this trio having high yardage games

 

[-OZ-]

Cutler has thrown a TD in 5 straight games (which is also every game he started), 4 of those 5 he has thrown 2 TDs in. Leinart and Young are not up to Cutler's level in those categories.

Interesting.VY started 13 games in 2006. Care to guess how many he didn't score a TD in?

 

[Tibereas]

I don't think the Broncs make the playoffs.

Pretty deep Mike! Any other thoughts as to Cutler and year 2 or are you just throwing in your Donkey love? Cutler will be top 10 this year/ top 5 next year. This kid has everything but great speed. Arm, balls, brains, heart, a good fantasy offense system, talent @ skill positions and did I mention a strong Arm. I look for him to be one of the best ever some day. But then again I could be wrong. Cutler Auto Dealerships coming to a Denver Suburb near you....

 

[beef]

Really tough call...Denver QBs historically have a low ceiling, but then again Javon Walker is the caliber of WR that can change that. With Henry in town I think you'll see a well balanced offense with solid, yet unspectacular ff passing numbers. I'll probably have him projected around #20 but wont draft him that high because of his low ceiling.

I don't know about that "low ceiling" thing. Elway was a top-5 QB every year from 93 to 97, Elway/Brister was a top-5 QB in 98, Griese/Frerotte was a top-5 QB in 2000, Jake Plummer was a top-5 QB in 2003 if you pro-rate his numbers, and was a top-5 QB in 2004 without the need for pro-rating. That's 9 of the last 14 seasons where either Denver's QB finished in the top 5, or else Denver's QB would have finished in the top 5 if he hadn't gotten injured.Now, usually those top 5 finishes were in the 3-5 range, so if by "low ceiling" you meant that Denver's QB is very, very unlikely to finish as the #1 QB in the entire league, then I buy that... but I daresay you'd be hard pressed to find any team other than Indianapolis that has as strong of a history of top-5 finishes.As for your projection of Cutler as QB20... no QB under Shanahan has played a full season and finished lower than 11th (although if Griese hadn't missed a game in 2001, he probably would have finished 15th or so). Unless you expect Cutler to get injured, I'd daresay your prediction is probably a bit low.

I'll get to this post tonight...gotta finish up some fishing trips.

update?

 

[LHUCKS]

Really tough call...Denver QBs historically have a low ceiling, but then again Javon Walker is the caliber of WR that can change that. With Henry in town I think you'll see a well balanced offense with solid, yet unspectacular ff passing numbers. I'll probably have him projected around #20 but wont draft him that high because of his low ceiling.

I don't know about that "low ceiling" thing. Elway was a top-5 QB every year from 93 to 97, Elway/Brister was a top-5 QB in 98, Griese/Frerotte was a top-5 QB in 2000, Jake Plummer was a top-5 QB in 2003 if you pro-rate his numbers, and was a top-5 QB in 2004 without the need for pro-rating. That's 9 of the last 14 seasons where either Denver's QB finished in the top 5, or else Denver's QB would have finished in the top 5 if he hadn't gotten injured.Now, usually those top 5 finishes were in the 3-5 range, so if by "low ceiling" you meant that Denver's QB is very, very unlikely to finish as the #1 QB in the entire league, then I buy that... but I daresay you'd be hard pressed to find any team other than Indianapolis that has as strong of a history of top-5 finishes.As for your projection of Cutler as QB20... no QB under Shanahan has played a full season and finished lower than 11th (although if Griese hadn't missed a game in 2001, he probably would have finished 15th or so). Unless you expect Cutler to get injured, I'd daresay your prediction is probably a bit low.

I'll get to this post tonight...gotta finish up some fishing trips.

update?

 

[Iron Mike Tomczak]

I don't think the Broncs make the playoffs.

Pretty deep Mike! Any other thoughts as to Cutler and year 2 or are you just throwing in your Donkey love? Cutler will be top 10 this year/ top 5 next year. This kid has everything but great speed. Arm, balls, brains, heart, a good fantasy offense system, talent @ skill positions and did I mention a strong Arm. I look for him to be one of the best ever some day. But then again I could be wrong. Cutler Auto Dealerships coming to a Denver Suburb near you....

His record was 2-3 which isn't bad as a rookie. He threw a decent ball and looked more mobile than Plummer. That being said, Plummer gives Kent Graham a run for his money as a NFL QB. Its easy to look good compared to Bull Shiiit. In the AFC you need to be a hella lot better, will the Broncs improve? I think they already have. How much, thats the real question. In my opinion the Broncs will have their hands full with KC and SD.

 

[redman]

Here's an interesting question given the relative similarity of their situations, and one that I honestly don't have an opinion on as of yet:

Who will have the better season, Cutler or Campbell?

 

[Floyd The Barber]

Tibereas wrote:

This kid has everything but great speed. Arm, balls, brains, heart, a good fantasy offense system, talent @ skill positions and did I mention a strong Arm. I look for him to be one of the best ever some day.

I agree that his future looks bright, but does the kid really have the brains or were you simply embelishing? I've never even heard the lad speak, so I'm honestly interested. Just to look at him, he doesn't look too terribly bright with that goofy haircut and I saw him make some cementheaded throws in the games I saw him play.

 

[Big_Red1]

I don't think the Broncs make the playoffs.

What does that have to do with fantasy production?

 

[identikit]

Tibereas wrote:

This kid has everything but great speed. Arm, balls, brains, heart, a good fantasy offense system, talent @ skill positions and did I mention a strong Arm. I look for him to be one of the best ever some day.

I agree that his future looks bright, but does the kid really have the brains or were you simply embelishing? I've never even heard the lad speak, so I'm honestly interested. Just to look at him, he doesn't look too terribly bright with that goofy haircut and I saw him make some cementheaded throws in the games I saw him play.

Leave it to a barber to critique a guy's hairstyle...

 

[crimsonrebel]

Cutler has to have a brain. He went to freaking Vanderbuilt. Theres a reason Vandy is near the bottom of the SEC every year. You have to have good grades and test scores to get in!

 

[Tibereas]

Tibereas wrote:This kid has everything but great speed. Arm, balls, brains, heart, a good fantasy offense system, talent @ skill positions and did I mention a strong Arm. I look for him to be one of the best ever some day.I agree that his future looks bright, but does the kid really have the brains or were you simply embelishing? I've never even heard the lad speak, so I'm honestly interested. Just to look at him, he doesn't look too terribly bright with that goofy haircut and I saw him make some cementheaded throws in the games I saw him play.

Do you really believe that you can tell a persons intelligence by looking at them? Let's not forget the he was a rookie and played like one on several occasions. As for speed, I was wrong, he ran a 4.9 40. Not bad for a big QB. He got the crap kicked out of him at Vandy(seems his lineman were smart and not jocks) and took it. He should be a good one...

 

[thecardiackid]

Cutler has to have a brain. He went to freaking Vanderbuilt. Theres a reason Vandy is near the bottom of the SEC every year. You have to have good grades and test scores to get in!

beat me to it

 

[Redbird06]

Keeper league... keep one:

Cutler

Hasselbeck

 

[SSOG]

Here's an interesting question given the relative similarity of their situations, and one that I honestly don't have an opinion on as of yet:Who will have the better season, Cutler or Campbell?

I say Cutler, and I'm not even hesitant about it. Cutler had better credentials and was considered the better prospect. He played and produced better in his first games. The surrounding cast is comparable, but Cutler I think has a better line (especially if you consider Daniel Graham a quasi-OT), which is VERY important for a QB. Also, Portis is far more talented than Henry, but the running games should as a whole be comparable, and I like Cutler's targets (Walker, Marshall, Scheffler, Smith) more than Campbell's (Moss, Cooley, AR-E, BLloyd). Plus, I have more faith in Denver's offensive coaching staff than Washington's (impressive resumes notwithstanding, Shanahan has proven he can do it in this exact situation, while Gibbs/Saunders have not yet done that). Plus, as an SEC fan, I still remember both of them vividly, and I can honestly say that despite the complete lack of anything resembling a weapon, Vandy's offense with Cutler scared me more than Auburn's offense with Campbell/Ronnie Brown/Cadillac Williams/etc.I like Campbell and think he'll be a better pro than I would have expected a year or two ago, but in pretty much every category (talent, surrounding talent, coaching staff, production to date, intangibles) I think Cutler has an edge. Of course, I am a homer, so please bear in mind that while I do my best to be objective, most of my observations are viewed from a certain angle.

Keeper league... keep one:CutlerHasselbeck

Depends on your keeper rules. Hasselbeck will be better next year, but Cutler will put up more points over the next 3 years. In leagues with very short keeper lists, you're more concerned with how a guy will do next year, since you can't count on devoting an ultra-precious keeper slot to someone for multiple years before cashing in (with the exception of someone like a Michael Turner). In leagues with very long keeper lists that are really quasi-dynasty leagues, you're more concerned with how a guy will do over the next 3-5 years, since you can easily count on having him around for a while.Without knowing specifics, I'd probably keep Cutler. Hasselbeck isn't a big upgrade over the guys who'll be sitting there waiting for you to draft them in the 7th round, while Cutler has the potential to be a stud in the future (he might bust, too, but hey... you can always draft a more-than-adequate replacement in the 7th round). As I said, though... it depends on your keeper rules. If the rules don't mandate that you keep a QB, and if you don't expect your leaguemates to keep a ton of QBs, then I wouldn't keep either- use that keeper slot on a more valuable position, like RB or WR.

 

[Banger]

Here's an interesting question given the relative similarity of their situations, and one that I honestly don't have an opinion on as of yet:Who will have the better season, Cutler or Campbell?

Cutler

 

[Redbird06]

Keeper league... keep one:CutlerHasselbeck

Depends on your keeper rules. Hasselbeck will be better next year, but Cutler will put up more points over the next 3 years. In leagues with very short keeper lists, you're more concerned with how a guy will do next year, since you can't count on devoting an ultra-precious keeper slot to someone for multiple years before cashing in (with the exception of someone like a Michael Turner). In leagues with very long keeper lists that are really quasi-dynasty leagues, you're more concerned with how a guy will do over the next 3-5 years, since you can easily count on having him around for a while.Without knowing specifics, I'd probably keep Cutler. Hasselbeck isn't a big upgrade over the guys who'll be sitting there waiting for you to draft them in the 7th round, while Cutler has the potential to be a stud in the future (he might bust, too, but hey... you can always draft a more-than-adequate replacement in the 7th round). As I said, though... it depends on your keeper rules. If the rules don't mandate that you keep a QB, and if you don't expect your leaguemates to keep a ton of QBs, then I wouldn't keep either- use that keeper slot on a more valuable position, like RB or WR.

Thanks for the feedback SSOG. I didn't want to hijack this thread with something that should be in AC... 12 team league, must keep one and only one at each position (QB, RB, WR, TE, K, Def).

 

[bcr8f]

Scheffler is rated #10 RIGHT NOW. THEY DO HAVE A CONNECTION.I like having Javon and Tony Scheffler right now.

 

[Banger]

Scheffler is rated #10 RIGHT NOW. THEY DO HAVE A CONNECTION.I like having Javon and Tony Scheffler right now.

They spent quite a bit of money on Graham though so who knows how that is gonna work itself out. I definitely liked the Scheffler/Cutler connection last year though.

 

[jurb26]

All I know is that Cutler was my favorite QB in his class bassed on talent. He was also the guy I thought most likely to be the best pro. I have seen nothing to dismiss that as of yet. I too have worried that the ceiling for QBs in Den, with the run heavy scheme, would possibly deter fantasy production. I am not nearly as worried about that as I was when he was drafted however.

On a side note. Are any other Cutler owners getting a ton of trade offers for this guy? Seems they have been coming in for about 7 months for me.