Dallas Cowboys Offseason Thread (2 Viewers)

[Bri]

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[Snotbubbles]

My Eagles friends in our group chat are having a field day at the hire and mocking the Cowboys.

I'm not as sure.

Definitely didn’t see that coming a while back and reaction is easy to predict. Will be interesting for sure. Top five offense in 2023. Way more average this year, losing the quarterback. But still ahead of Kansas City.

Plenty of good material for the “Jerry is an imbecile“ crowd. Will be interesting to see.

I don't know if Jerry made a good decision or bad decision. But if I were running the Cowboys, I'd at least have wanted to speak/interview with Ben Johnson and Mike Vrabel who were the top 2 guys on the market before I made a decision.

 

[General Malaise]

I like some of the optimism in here regarding the hire but I just can't help but feel completely underwhelmed.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I fully accept everyone is LMAO at this move but I'm not sure I do.

Offensive coordinator that had the #5 offense 2 years ago and an average offense this year without a QB. And still better than Kansas City. Promoting from within and having two years to see him up close every day to make your decision. As well as the endorsement of the most important player on the team.

https://www.on3.com/pro/news/nfl-in...rry-jones-dak-prescott-during-hiring-process/

Dallas’ hire came as a surprise to many as the Cowboys initially hired Schottenheimer as a consultant in 2022. He moved up to offensive coordinator in Feb. 2023, where in his first season as OC the Cowboys averaged 371.6 yards per game, the fifth-most in the NFL. Based on those numbers, ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler explained why this move isn’t as surprising to those behind the scenes in Dallas.

“[Schottenheimer] had a lot of support in the building, not just with Jerry Jones,” Fowler said on SportsCenter Saturday morning. “People at the top really value the relationship they built with Brian Schottenheimer. And the sense around the league is that this is a Dak Prescott hire. Dak Prescott likes Schottenheimer in the offense and the chemistry they have together. He likes the continuity that he brings. So it’s kind of just running it back in a lot of ways.”

Again, I fully get the mocking from others. (I don't know if there's been any here. As I mentioned, my group chat has been overrun by the Eagles guys LMAO'ing at the hire). But I don't see it personally.

 

[Bri]

I fully accept everyone is LMAO at this move but I'm not sure I do.

Offensive coordinator that had the #5 offense 2 years ago and an average offense this year without a QB. And still better than Kansas City. Promoting from within and having two years to see him up close every day to make your decision. As well as the endorsement of the most important player on the team.

https://www.on3.com/pro/news/nfl-in...rry-jones-dak-prescott-during-hiring-process/

Dallas’ hire came as a surprise to many as the Cowboys initially hired Schottenheimer as a consultant in 2022. He moved up to offensive coordinator in Feb. 2023, where in his first season as OC the Cowboys averaged 371.6 yards per game, the fifth-most in the NFL. Based on those numbers, ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler explained why this move isn’t as surprising to those behind the scenes in Dallas.

“[Schottenheimer] had a lot of support in the building, not just with Jerry Jones,” Fowler said on SportsCenter Saturday morning. “People at the top really value the relationship they built with Brian Schottenheimer. And the sense around the league is that this is a Dak Prescott hire. Dak Prescott likes Schottenheimer in the offense and the chemistry they have together. He likes the continuity that he brings. So it’s kind of just running it back in a lot of ways.”

Again, I fully get the mocking from others. (I don't know if there's been any here. As I mentioned, my group chat has been overrun by the Eagles guys LMAO'ing at the hire). But I don't see it personally.

I've always found it so odd when a player can't seem to win or win big in the playoffs.
Romo was a very good regular season QB but not the playoffs.
Then Dak was oddly similar.

Their new coach's father had that very same stigma.
I wonder if the son isn't the perfect person to know how to get over that hump.

They've had a top RB in Zeke, a well regarded OL, TE, top WR. Oh it's defense- they had a top CB and Parson and...any solution they seem to have tried.
Someone has to pinpoint it. After Ernest Byner's fumbles he had the greatest playoff QB at that time in Joe Montana.
I have no doubt his father discussed this a zillion different ways trying to find the key to the promised land

 

[travdogg]

I fully accept everyone is LMAO at this move but I'm not sure I do.

Offensive coordinator that had the #5 offense 2 years ago and an average offense this year without a QB. And still better than Kansas City. Promoting from within and having two years to see him up close every day to make your decision. As well as the endorsement of the most important player on the team.

https://www.on3.com/pro/news/nfl-in...rry-jones-dak-prescott-during-hiring-process/

Dallas’ hire came as a surprise to many as the Cowboys initially hired Schottenheimer as a consultant in 2022. He moved up to offensive coordinator in Feb. 2023, where in his first season as OC the Cowboys averaged 371.6 yards per game, the fifth-most in the NFL. Based on those numbers, ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler explained why this move isn’t as surprising to those behind the scenes in Dallas.

“[Schottenheimer] had a lot of support in the building, not just with Jerry Jones,” Fowler said on SportsCenter Saturday morning. “People at the top really value the relationship they built with Brian Schottenheimer. And the sense around the league is that this is a Dak Prescott hire. Dak Prescott likes Schottenheimer in the offense and the chemistry they have together. He likes the continuity that he brings. So it’s kind of just running it back in a lot of ways.”

Again, I fully get the mocking from others. (I don't know if there's been any here. As I mentioned, my group chat has been overrun by the Eagles guys LMAO'ing at the hire). But I don't see it personally.

I think the top-5 offense thing is a little mitigated when it was the #1 offense twice under Kellen Moore (2021,2019) both under Garrett and McCarthy.

A big part of Moore getting fired (a move that was always a bad one) was McCarthy wanting to take back play calling. Did Schottenheimer call plays at any point these last 2 seasons?

 

[Joe Bryant]

I fully accept everyone is LMAO at this move but I'm not sure I do.

Offensive coordinator that had the #5 offense 2 years ago and an average offense this year without a QB. And still better than Kansas City. Promoting from within and having two years to see him up close every day to make your decision. As well as the endorsement of the most important player on the team.

https://www.on3.com/pro/news/nfl-in...rry-jones-dak-prescott-during-hiring-process/

Dallas’ hire came as a surprise to many as the Cowboys initially hired Schottenheimer as a consultant in 2022. He moved up to offensive coordinator in Feb. 2023, where in his first season as OC the Cowboys averaged 371.6 yards per game, the fifth-most in the NFL. Based on those numbers, ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler explained why this move isn’t as surprising to those behind the scenes in Dallas.

“[Schottenheimer] had a lot of support in the building, not just with Jerry Jones,” Fowler said on SportsCenter Saturday morning. “People at the top really value the relationship they built with Brian Schottenheimer. And the sense around the league is that this is a Dak Prescott hire. Dak Prescott likes Schottenheimer in the offense and the chemistry they have together. He likes the continuity that he brings. So it’s kind of just running it back in a lot of ways.”

Again, I fully get the mocking from others. (I don't know if there's been any here. As I mentioned, my group chat has been overrun by the Eagles guys LMAO'ing at the hire). But I don't see it personally.

I think the top-5 offense thing is a little mitigated when it was the #1 offense twice under Kellen Moore (2021,2019) both under Garrett and McCarthy.

A big part of Moore getting fired (a move that was always a bad one) was McCarthy wanting to take back play calling. Did Schottenheimer call plays at any point these last 2 seasons?

I don't think anyone is doubting Kellen Moore. He's one of the most desirable coaching candidates this season. I'm more focused on Schottenheimer.

For playcalling the last couple of years, that's been McCarthy, something he's done since 2006 with a brief stint allowing Moore to call them. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ike-mcdaniel-sean-mcvay-nathaniel-hackett#DAL

 

[Joe Bryant]

I fully accept everyone is LMAO at this move but I'm not sure I do.

Offensive coordinator that had the #5 offense 2 years ago and an average offense this year without a QB. And still better than Kansas City. Promoting from within and having two years to see him up close every day to make your decision. As well as the endorsement of the most important player on the team.

https://www.on3.com/pro/news/nfl-in...rry-jones-dak-prescott-during-hiring-process/

Dallas’ hire came as a surprise to many as the Cowboys initially hired Schottenheimer as a consultant in 2022. He moved up to offensive coordinator in Feb. 2023, where in his first season as OC the Cowboys averaged 371.6 yards per game, the fifth-most in the NFL. Based on those numbers, ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler explained why this move isn’t as surprising to those behind the scenes in Dallas.

“[Schottenheimer] had a lot of support in the building, not just with Jerry Jones,” Fowler said on SportsCenter Saturday morning. “People at the top really value the relationship they built with Brian Schottenheimer. And the sense around the league is that this is a Dak Prescott hire. Dak Prescott likes Schottenheimer in the offense and the chemistry they have together. He likes the continuity that he brings. So it’s kind of just running it back in a lot of ways.”

Again, I fully get the mocking from others. (I don't know if there's been any here. As I mentioned, my group chat has been overrun by the Eagles guys LMAO'ing at the hire). But I don't see it personally.

I've always found it so odd when a player can't seem to win or win big in the playoffs.
Romo was a very good regular season QB but not the playoffs.
Then Dak was oddly similar.

Their new coach's father had that very same stigma.
I wonder if the son isn't the perfect person to know how to get over that hump.

They've had a top RB in Zeke, a well regarded OL, TE, top WR. Oh it's defense- they had a top CB and Parson and...any solution they seem to have tried.
Someone has to pinpoint it. After Ernest Byner's fumbles he had the greatest playoff QB at that time in Joe Montana.
I have no doubt his father discussed this a zillion different ways trying to find the key to the promised land

Will be interesting. I too am interested in that "can't win the big one" and my gut feel on that is it's mostly small sample size. Peyton Manning couldn't win the big game until he did. Lamar Jackson can't win in the playoffs. But now he does. But on the other hand, I fully get that's how players and coaches are defined. So I agree it'll be interesting.

And to be super clear, I have no insight on how Schottenheimer will do. I'd expect him to fail as most coaches fail. That's how the game works. I was mostly just interested at the response to the hire by some.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Did Schottenheimer call plays at any point these last 2 seasons?

No

 

[travdogg]

I fully accept everyone is LMAO at this move but I'm not sure I do.

Offensive coordinator that had the #5 offense 2 years ago and an average offense this year without a QB. And still better than Kansas City. Promoting from within and having two years to see him up close every day to make your decision. As well as the endorsement of the most important player on the team.

https://www.on3.com/pro/news/nfl-in...rry-jones-dak-prescott-during-hiring-process/

Dallas’ hire came as a surprise to many as the Cowboys initially hired Schottenheimer as a consultant in 2022. He moved up to offensive coordinator in Feb. 2023, where in his first season as OC the Cowboys averaged 371.6 yards per game, the fifth-most in the NFL. Based on those numbers, ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler explained why this move isn’t as surprising to those behind the scenes in Dallas.

“[Schottenheimer] had a lot of support in the building, not just with Jerry Jones,” Fowler said on SportsCenter Saturday morning. “People at the top really value the relationship they built with Brian Schottenheimer. And the sense around the league is that this is a Dak Prescott hire. Dak Prescott likes Schottenheimer in the offense and the chemistry they have together. He likes the continuity that he brings. So it’s kind of just running it back in a lot of ways.”

Again, I fully get the mocking from others. (I don't know if there's been any here. As I mentioned, my group chat has been overrun by the Eagles guys LMAO'ing at the hire). But I don't see it personally.

I think the top-5 offense thing is a little mitigated when it was the #1 offense twice under Kellen Moore (2021,2019) both under Garrett and McCarthy.

A big part of Moore getting fired (a move that was always a bad one) was McCarthy wanting to take back play calling. Did Schottenheimer call plays at any point these last 2 seasons?

I don't think anyone is doubting Kellen Moore. He's one of the most desirable coaching candidates this season. I'm more focused on Schottenheimer.

For playcalling the last couple of years, that's been McCarthy, something he's done since 2006 with a brief stint allowing Moore to call them. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ike-mcdaniel-sean-mcvay-nathaniel-hackett#DAL

I think I am focusing on Schottenheimer. I think if he hasn't called the plays, does it matter that he's been the OC when they were a top-5 offense, especially when they were #1 before he was in that role?

 

[culdeus]

I fully accept everyone is LMAO at this move but I'm not sure I do.

Offensive coordinator that had the #5 offense 2 years ago and an average offense this year without a QB. And still better than Kansas City. Promoting from within and having two years to see him up close every day to make your decision. As well as the endorsement of the most important player on the team.

https://www.on3.com/pro/news/nfl-in...rry-jones-dak-prescott-during-hiring-process/

Dallas’ hire came as a surprise to many as the Cowboys initially hired Schottenheimer as a consultant in 2022. He moved up to offensive coordinator in Feb. 2023, where in his first season as OC the Cowboys averaged 371.6 yards per game, the fifth-most in the NFL. Based on those numbers, ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler explained why this move isn’t as surprising to those behind the scenes in Dallas.

“[Schottenheimer] had a lot of support in the building, not just with Jerry Jones,” Fowler said on SportsCenter Saturday morning. “People at the top really value the relationship they built with Brian Schottenheimer. And the sense around the league is that this is a Dak Prescott hire. Dak Prescott likes Schottenheimer in the offense and the chemistry they have together. He likes the continuity that he brings. So it’s kind of just running it back in a lot of ways.”

Again, I fully get the mocking from others. (I don't know if there's been any here. As I mentioned, my group chat has been overrun by the Eagles guys LMAO'ing at the hire). But I don't see it personally.

I've always found it so odd when a player can't seem to win or win big in the playoffs.
Romo was a very good regular season QB but not the playoffs.
Then Dak was oddly similar.

Their new coach's father had that very same stigma.
I wonder if the son isn't the perfect person to know how to get over that hump.

They've had a top RB in Zeke, a well regarded OL, TE, top WR. Oh it's defense- they had a top CB and Parson and...any solution they seem to have tried.
Someone has to pinpoint it. After Ernest Byner's fumbles he had the greatest playoff QB at that time in Joe Montana.
I have no doubt his father discussed this a zillion different ways trying to find the key to the promised land

When you overpay for star positions, it tends to cost you in other areas. That's the story of the Cowboys. Always got an above average QB that gets overpaid and the rest of the talent just craters.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I fully accept everyone is LMAO at this move but I'm not sure I do.

Offensive coordinator that had the #5 offense 2 years ago and an average offense this year without a QB. And still better than Kansas City. Promoting from within and having two years to see him up close every day to make your decision. As well as the endorsement of the most important player on the team.

https://www.on3.com/pro/news/nfl-in...rry-jones-dak-prescott-during-hiring-process/

Dallas’ hire came as a surprise to many as the Cowboys initially hired Schottenheimer as a consultant in 2022. He moved up to offensive coordinator in Feb. 2023, where in his first season as OC the Cowboys averaged 371.6 yards per game, the fifth-most in the NFL. Based on those numbers, ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler explained why this move isn’t as surprising to those behind the scenes in Dallas.

“[Schottenheimer] had a lot of support in the building, not just with Jerry Jones,” Fowler said on SportsCenter Saturday morning. “People at the top really value the relationship they built with Brian Schottenheimer. And the sense around the league is that this is a Dak Prescott hire. Dak Prescott likes Schottenheimer in the offense and the chemistry they have together. He likes the continuity that he brings. So it’s kind of just running it back in a lot of ways.”

Again, I fully get the mocking from others. (I don't know if there's been any here. As I mentioned, my group chat has been overrun by the Eagles guys LMAO'ing at the hire). But I don't see it personally.

I think the top-5 offense thing is a little mitigated when it was the #1 offense twice under Kellen Moore (2021,2019) both under Garrett and McCarthy.

A big part of Moore getting fired (a move that was always a bad one) was McCarthy wanting to take back play calling. Did Schottenheimer call plays at any point these last 2 seasons?

I don't think anyone is doubting Kellen Moore. He's one of the most desirable coaching candidates this season. I'm more focused on Schottenheimer.

For playcalling the last couple of years, that's been McCarthy, something he's done since 2006 with a brief stint allowing Moore to call them. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ike-mcdaniel-sean-mcvay-nathaniel-hackett#DAL

I think I am focusing on Schottenheimer.

Not when you're talking Kellen Moore.

And for sure, if you want to discount his offensive coordinator success because Mike McCarthy called plays, that's fully your right. No argument there. I think there's more to it than play calling.

But we'll see.

As I said, I fully understand most people at the hire. I just thought it was interesting.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I fully accept everyone is LMAO at this move but I'm not sure I do.

Offensive coordinator that had the #5 offense 2 years ago and an average offense this year without a QB. And still better than Kansas City. Promoting from within and having two years to see him up close every day to make your decision. As well as the endorsement of the most important player on the team.

https://www.on3.com/pro/news/nfl-in...rry-jones-dak-prescott-during-hiring-process/

Dallas’ hire came as a surprise to many as the Cowboys initially hired Schottenheimer as a consultant in 2022. He moved up to offensive coordinator in Feb. 2023, where in his first season as OC the Cowboys averaged 371.6 yards per game, the fifth-most in the NFL. Based on those numbers, ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler explained why this move isn’t as surprising to those behind the scenes in Dallas.

“[Schottenheimer] had a lot of support in the building, not just with Jerry Jones,” Fowler said on SportsCenter Saturday morning. “People at the top really value the relationship they built with Brian Schottenheimer. And the sense around the league is that this is a Dak Prescott hire. Dak Prescott likes Schottenheimer in the offense and the chemistry they have together. He likes the continuity that he brings. So it’s kind of just running it back in a lot of ways.”

Again, I fully get the mocking from others. (I don't know if there's been any here. As I mentioned, my group chat has been overrun by the Eagles guys LMAO'ing at the hire). But I don't see it personally.

I've always found it so odd when a player can't seem to win or win big in the playoffs.
Romo was a very good regular season QB but not the playoffs.
Then Dak was oddly similar.

Their new coach's father had that very same stigma.
I wonder if the son isn't the perfect person to know how to get over that hump.

They've had a top RB in Zeke, a well regarded OL, TE, top WR. Oh it's defense- they had a top CB and Parson and...any solution they seem to have tried.
Someone has to pinpoint it. After Ernest Byner's fumbles he had the greatest playoff QB at that time in Joe Montana.
I have no doubt his father discussed this a zillion different ways trying to find the key to the promised land

When you overpay for star positions, it tends to cost you in other areas. That's the story of the Cowboys. Always got an above average QB that gets overpaid and the rest of the talent just craters.

That's definitely a drag on them. It's one thing to pay a ton for a great QB. But they're paying a ton for a good QB and that can be a huge challenge.

 

[culdeus]

I fully accept everyone is LMAO at this move but I'm not sure I do.

Offensive coordinator that had the #5 offense 2 years ago and an average offense this year without a QB. And still better than Kansas City. Promoting from within and having two years to see him up close every day to make your decision. As well as the endorsement of the most important player on the team.

https://www.on3.com/pro/news/nfl-in...rry-jones-dak-prescott-during-hiring-process/

Dallas’ hire came as a surprise to many as the Cowboys initially hired Schottenheimer as a consultant in 2022. He moved up to offensive coordinator in Feb. 2023, where in his first season as OC the Cowboys averaged 371.6 yards per game, the fifth-most in the NFL. Based on those numbers, ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler explained why this move isn’t as surprising to those behind the scenes in Dallas.

“[Schottenheimer] had a lot of support in the building, not just with Jerry Jones,” Fowler said on SportsCenter Saturday morning. “People at the top really value the relationship they built with Brian Schottenheimer. And the sense around the league is that this is a Dak Prescott hire. Dak Prescott likes Schottenheimer in the offense and the chemistry they have together. He likes the continuity that he brings. So it’s kind of just running it back in a lot of ways.”

Again, I fully get the mocking from others. (I don't know if there's been any here. As I mentioned, my group chat has been overrun by the Eagles guys LMAO'ing at the hire). But I don't see it personally.

I've always found it so odd when a player can't seem to win or win big in the playoffs.
Romo was a very good regular season QB but not the playoffs.
Then Dak was oddly similar.

Their new coach's father had that very same stigma.
I wonder if the son isn't the perfect person to know how to get over that hump.

They've had a top RB in Zeke, a well regarded OL, TE, top WR. Oh it's defense- they had a top CB and Parson and...any solution they seem to have tried.
Someone has to pinpoint it. After Ernest Byner's fumbles he had the greatest playoff QB at that time in Joe Montana.
I have no doubt his father discussed this a zillion different ways trying to find the key to the promised land

When you overpay for star positions, it tends to cost you in other areas. That's the story of the Cowboys. Always got an above average QB that gets overpaid and the rest of the talent just craters.

That's definitely a drag on them. It's one thing to pay a ton for a great QB. But they're paying a ton for a good QB and that can be a huge challenge.

Romo was never actually the highest paid player. His best year in 2014 he was second behind Brandon Carr who sucked up 14? 16? M in cap space for 0 ints and generally was never an impact player.

2014 was probably the best shot Dallas has had in 30 years. Don't really think it is all that debatable really.

 

[culdeus]

I just don't think it honestly matters who the coach is. Daks contact is so bad that they will have to get super lucky in the draft or just rot. Jerry probably dies before the contract runs out. Will see how it goes from there.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

so I stop posting in the sean tucker thread

there is 0% chance the cowboys don't drat a RB rd1. No way they are that bad right?

We thought that last year. I think a lot of NFL teams will wait on a RB because of the depth of this class. With the exception of one or two RBs going earlier, I could see some good ones come off the board in the 40 to 60 range, then several decent RBs in the 5th to 6th round. I believe there will be better RBs available late in the draft than in years past.

I think Jerry and several others thought they'd be fine with a Dowdel/Zeke tandem. The RB run didn't really come until the 4th round so I don't blame them for not not being overly aggressive but they do look like fools for not taking someone in the 3rd and/or trading for Trey Lance. Hindsight is always 20/20 though. RB is probably their biggest need and I think if one of the top RBs is there @ 12 they take em but I think you could be right and they just wait on RB.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Such an assclown with the air quotes

 

[N Zone]

Such an assclown with the air quotes

It feels good to be finished with them. I quit.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

On the Twitters I am seeing that Cowboys fans are unhappy that Al Harris has been hired away by Ben Johnson in Chicago.

I remember him as player but was not aware of his coaching with the Cowboys. Apparently, he has a lot of potential to be a defensive coordinator someday.

Yeah, he shined as a secondary coach. Not happy he left the Cowboys. I don't blame him though.

A great Al Harris story from Will Blackmon and Charles Woodson - https://x.com/willblackmon/status/1362814980089815041?s=61&t=62Da5fZeZmqWXLc5Xd-abw

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Sorenson new Special Teams

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Eberflus signed

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Will McClay signed to extension

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Klayton Adams interviewed for OC

 

[General Malaise]

I fully accept everyone is LMAO at this move but I'm not sure I do.

Offensive coordinator that had the #5 offense 2 years ago and an average offense this year without a QB. And still better than Kansas City. Promoting from within and having two years to see him up close every day to make your decision. As well as the endorsement of the most important player on the team.

https://www.on3.com/pro/news/nfl-in...rry-jones-dak-prescott-during-hiring-process/

Dallas’ hire came as a surprise to many as the Cowboys initially hired Schottenheimer as a consultant in 2022. He moved up to offensive coordinator in Feb. 2023, where in his first season as OC the Cowboys averaged 371.6 yards per game, the fifth-most in the NFL. Based on those numbers, ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler explained why this move isn’t as surprising to those behind the scenes in Dallas.

“[Schottenheimer] had a lot of support in the building, not just with Jerry Jones,” Fowler said on SportsCenter Saturday morning. “People at the top really value the relationship they built with Brian Schottenheimer. And the sense around the league is that this is a Dak Prescott hire. Dak Prescott likes Schottenheimer in the offense and the chemistry they have together. He likes the continuity that he brings. So it’s kind of just running it back in a lot of ways.”

Again, I fully get the mocking from others. (I don't know if there's been any here. As I mentioned, my group chat has been overrun by the Eagles guys LMAO'ing at the hire). But I don't see it personally.

I've always found it so odd when a player can't seem to win or win big in the playoffs.
Romo was a very good regular season QB but not the playoffs.
Then Dak was oddly similar.

Their new coach's father had that very same stigma.
I wonder if the son isn't the perfect person to know how to get over that hump.

They've had a top RB in Zeke, a well regarded OL, TE, top WR. Oh it's defense- they had a top CB and Parson and...any solution they seem to have tried.
Someone has to pinpoint it. After Ernest Byner's fumbles he had the greatest playoff QB at that time in Joe Montana.
I have no doubt his father discussed this a zillion different ways trying to find the key to the promised land

Will be interesting. I too am interested in that "can't win the big one" and my gut feel on that is it's mostly small sample size. Peyton Manning couldn't win the big game until he did. Lamar Jackson can't win in the playoffs. But now he does. But on the other hand, I fully get that's how players and coaches are defined. So I agree it'll be interesting.

And to be super clear, I have no insight on how Schottenheimer will do. I'd expect him to fail as most coaches fail. That's how the game works. I was mostly just interested at the response to the hire by some.

I'm not seeing the as much as you are on this. I'm seeing far more or than

Now, this is mostly coming from a group chat of HS friends who are still die hard Cowboy fans, so I suppose my information source is tainted. *BUT* I also get a different point of view living very far away from Dallas. The local sports guys I listen too aren't laughing at the hire; they're more pointed with criticism of Jerry for bungling the hiring process. And the two guys I read pretty regularly (Albert Breer and Mike Sando) have also been critical of how they handled both Mike McCarthy and their hiring process.

Here is Breer's take before the hire of Schott:

The Dallas Cowboys made their bed on this one. A lot of folks have asked me what Dallas’s plan is here, and the truth is, I’m not exactly sure there is one. Mike McCarthy did enough to get another year and, in my opinion, would’ve gotten one if there was a year left on his contract.

Instead, the Joneses and McCarthy did an awkward eight-day dance before cutting ties early last week—after the team had denied McCarthy permission to talk to other teams.

First, I’d like to note that I know a ton of people who loved working for that franchise over the years. The Joneses have traditionally had a good work environment, and there’s a reason why so many people return to Dallas after leaving. Which is why it was disappointing to see them push an entire coaching staff down the plank this season.


McCarthy wasn’t the only one in a contract year. Virtually his entire staff was, too. Mike Zimmer’s willingness to take a one-year deal to replace Quinn as defensive coordinator was said to be a factor in him getting the job over Rex Ryan last year. And that Jerry Jones has been a leader in the owners’ push to stop paying dead money on the contracts of fired coaches (there have been slides at owners meetings) colors all of this.

For his part, McCarthy didn’t complain about any of it. In talking with him over the summer, and again in the fall, he kept saying that this wasn’t much different than having a pending free agent in a prominent role on your team—it just so happened that, in this case, the contract-year person in question was the head coach.


But, as I’ve heard it for a few months, the way it was handled didn’t sit well with McCarthy, or the members of his staff looking ahead at their own uncertain futures.

Then, in the days leading up to the Jan. 14 expiration of McCarthy’s contract, my understanding is that while there was discussion, there was no real negotiation. That left the Cowboys behind the other six teams looking for coaches and, importantly, without the chance to meet with the Lions’ or Chiefs’ assistants until after those teams were eliminated, since they missed the window to interview those guys (they got lucky with the Lions losing in the divisional round).


So, here they are, unable to get to Spagnuolo or Matt Nagy (and it could’ve easily been Johnson and Glenn, too), wading through the idea of Deion Sanders and contemplating bringing back Kellen Moore, once seen as their future head coach. If it looks like they’re all over the place, it’s because they are—and playing catch-up due to a series of unforced errors.

Meanwhile, this is an offseason in which they’ll have Dak Prescott coming off a major injury, Micah Parsons’s contract situation to wade through and big holes to address.

They certainly could’ve gotten the offseason off to a better start, regardless of whether McCarthy was around for it.

I think that's pretty fair.

I guess some NFL team was bound to take a shot on Schottenheimer. He's been around for a long time, has some nice credentials and stats to back him up. They don't hand NFL jobs out, but I'm a little surprised he's never had a head-coaching job at any level considering his first year as an assistant was 1997 with the Rams. That is a *LONG* time to be an assistant coach without being a HC. Heck, in that time, I moved to Oregon from Texas, got married twice, put a kid through college and went from youthful, boyish looks to haggard old man.

So for me, I guess I'm just a little perplexed. I used the analogy of musical chairs earlier and I think that still fits. But, I also think the guy deserves a chance before we write the book on him.

I'm certainly not laughing hysterically over it.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

FWIW on McCarthy..

Mike McCarthy's asinine contract demands completely vindicate the Cowboys

Mike McCarthy's contract demands with the Cowboys have been revealed and they are completely asinine.

thelandryhat.com

 

[General Malaise]

so I stop posting in the sean tucker thread

there is 0% chance the cowboys don't drat a RB rd1. No way they are that bad right?

We thought that last year. I think a lot of NFL teams will wait on a RB because of the depth of this class. With the exception of one or two RBs going earlier, I could see some good ones come off the board in the 40 to 60 range, then several decent RBs in the 5th to 6th round. I believe there will be better RBs available late in the draft than in years past.

I think Jerry and several others thought they'd be fine with a Dowdel/Zeke tandem. The RB run didn't really come until the 4th round so I don't blame them for not not being overly aggressive but they do look like fools for not taking someone in the 3rd and/or trading for Trey Lance. Hindsight is always 20/20 though. RB is probably their biggest need and I think if one of the top RBs is there @ 12 they take em but I think you could be right and they just wait on RB.

I can't think of ANYBODY that thought Zeke would work out, other than Jerry and even then, I bet truth serum would get him to reveal what everybody else already knew about him - he was cooked. He was cooked before he even started his season with New England. RBs who dip below 4 YPC as they age are signaling to the NFL that their careers are over and Zeke was at 3.8 in 2022. 3.5 in 2023 and honestly, if a GM inked him after that to be a starting RB, that GM would get fired for cause. Of course, Jerry isn't firing Jerry.

Dowdle is a fine complimentary back, but he's not cut out to carry the load. IMO. They'll probably draft a RB at some point, but unless Jeanty is there at 12, it'll be day 2 or 3.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Klayton Adams interviewed for OC

Hired

 

[IHEARTFF]

Klayton Adams interviewed for OC

Hired

I’d say good for Dowdle, but it’s probably more like good for Jeanty.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Klayton Adams interviewed for OC

Hired

I’d say good for Dowdle, but it’s probably more like good for Jeanty.

I hope not

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Overstreet follows Eberflus to Dallas

 

[DevilDog919]

Not sure how I feel on the Schotty hire, but I’m liking the coordinators that he’s brought in.

 

[Instinctive]

Ok the Cowboys somehow aren't the dumbest team in Dallas in 2025 so maybe I'm back in. I can't just not watch any sports.

 

[Hastur]

Zack Martin has announced his retirement.

First Ballot Hall of Famer?

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Ridiculous

 

[fatness]

Zack Martin has announced his retirement.

First Ballot Hall of Famer?

That's a big loss for Dallas. What an excellent player.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Unreal

 

[Cowboysfan8]

It’s about that time of the year for Cap Boy to tell us they can’t afford any free agents

 

[fatness]

Cowboys and DT Osa Odighizuwa reached agreement today on a four-year, $80 million deal that includes $58 million guaranteed and a $20 million signing bonus.

Schefter

 

[Cowboysfan8]

2nd rd tender for Turpin

 

[IHEARTFF]

Dak restructure gives 36MM in cap space back. Making room for DK?

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Dak restructure gives 36MM in cap space back. Making room for DK?

Redid Lamb yesterday also

OverTheCap now has the Cowboys with the eighth-most salary cap space (actual and effective) in the NFL.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Jordan Lewis to the Jags smh

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Par

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Javonte Williams

 

[Hastur]

I would say 'unbelievable!'...alas...

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Turpin back - 3 yr deal

I’ve read 18 mil but idk

 

[dickey moe]

This off-season has sucked.

 

[dickey moe]

Oh, and this:

https://x.com/brgridiron/status/1899198230451347703?t=Zqxe1iQAmVE90gaerQy9eg&s=19

 

[FantasyGuru24]

https://x.com/BetMGM/status/1899196338182451420

 

[travdogg]

I think getting Kaiir Elam for a day 3 pick swap is a nice flier. A 24-year-old former 1st rounder, who wasn't a good fit in Buffalo. I think he could fill Jourdan Lewis shoes.