Dallas Cowboys Offseason Thread (4 Viewers)

[General Malaise]

He led your Eagles to the playoffs in 1996 so you must be really really young, which stands to reason based on your posting style.

Thank you. I’ve been asking him how old is he is, he never answers

All are welcome in the Boys thread imo

I’m young so maybe me memory is still good bc the dude definitely didn’t play on the Eagles in 1996 to “lead them to the playoffs”

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1994 season, 1995 playoff game. I was off a year. Just finished the Cowboys' Doc on NFLX and they made a big deal about Herschel's return to Dallas for that 1995 playoff game, which Dallas won by a bunch. Walker had a nice start in that game and then got shut down. He had 1,000 total yards and 7 TDs.

 

[Instinctive]

I've had time to digest. These are things I think are true at the same time.


1. Micah Parsons is excellent at rushing the passer. Among the very best in the NFL.

2. Parsons is overrated for defensive impact.

3. Trading him was a fine decision, maybe even an excellent one, given the rest of the team.

4. Mulugheta sucks. Dislike him. A lot.

5. The return for the trade was not very good.

6. The manner in which finding the best deal was conducted was fairly idiotic. Feels like Nico Harrison negotiated it.

7. Dallas will still win around 6 games. Same as pre trade.

 

[General Malaise]

I've had time to digest. These are things I think are true at the same time.


1. Micah Parsons is excellent at rushing the passer. Among the very best in the NFL.

2. Parsons is overrated for defensive impact.

3. Trading him was a fine decision, maybe even an excellent one, given the rest of the team.

4. Mulugheta sucks. Dislike him. A lot.

5. The return for the trade was not very good.

6. The manner in which finding the best deal was conducted was fairly idiotic. Feels like Nico Harrison negotiated it.

7. Dallas will still win around 6 games. Same as pre trade.

Watched the final episode of the Cowboys' doc over the weekend and they highlighted the playoff loss to Green Bay in '24 quite a bit. I know he can't be everywhere on the field, but I saw Micha Parsons standing there looking at Aaron Jones run into the endzone as if he was a spectator. To your point, great pass rusher, but where was he in the playoffs?

It's hard to have a definitive opinion on a trade return when you don't know the fullness of it yet. It's nice to have four number 1 picks in the next two drafts but how they are utilized will tell us what the return truly was.

I think 6-7 games is the right number. And as stated earlier, it was 7.5 in Vegas before the trade.

I can only imagine what sports talk radio in Dallas has been like over the last week. At least the Rangers are red hot.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Micah is worth 2 1sts.

2 1sts is worth more to Dallas than Micah, as the team is configured now.

Jerry is still (from and NFCE rival perspective) the greatest show in football.

 

[Instinctive]

I've had time to digest. These are things I think are true at the same time.


1. Micah Parsons is excellent at rushing the passer. Among the very best in the NFL.

2. Parsons is overrated for defensive impact.

3. Trading him was a fine decision, maybe even an excellent one, given the rest of the team.

4. Mulugheta sucks. Dislike him. A lot.

5. The return for the trade was not very good.

6. The manner in which finding the best deal was conducted was fairly idiotic. Feels like Nico Harrison negotiated it.

7. Dallas will still win around 6 games. Same as pre trade.

Watched the final episode of the Cowboys' doc over the weekend and they highlighted the playoff loss to Green Bay in '24 quite a bit. I know he can't be everywhere on the field, but I saw Micha Parsons standing there looking at Aaron Jones run into the endzone as if he was a spectator. To your point, great pass rusher, but where was he in the playoffs?

It's hard to have a definitive opinion on a trade return when you don't know the fullness of it yet. It's nice to have four number 1 picks in the next two drafts but how they are utilized will tell us what the return truly was.

I think 6-7 games is the right number. And as stated earlier, it was 7.5 in Vegas before the trade.

I can only imagine what sports talk radio in Dallas has been like over the last week. At least the Rangers are red hot.

I mean we can have an opinion that you could have received more picks from another bidder. I'm a process guy not an outcome guy. They could draft hall of famers with picks 26 and 22 in the next two drafts and it would still be a bad return. They could be picks 12 and 18 and it would still be a bad return.

 

[IHEARTFF]

I've had time to digest. These are things I think are true at the same time.


1. Micah Parsons is excellent at rushing the passer. Among the very best in the NFL.

2. Parsons is overrated for defensive impact.

3. Trading him was a fine decision, maybe even an excellent one, given the rest of the team.

4. Mulugheta sucks. Dislike him. A lot.

5. The return for the trade was not very good.

6. The manner in which finding the best deal was conducted was fairly idiotic. Feels like Nico Harrison negotiated it.

7. Dallas will still win around 6 games. Same as pre trade.

Watched the final episode of the Cowboys' doc over the weekend and they highlighted the playoff loss to Green Bay in '24 quite a bit. I know he can't be everywhere on the field, but I saw Micha Parsons standing there looking at Aaron Jones run into the endzone as if he was a spectator. To your point, great pass rusher, but where was he in the playoffs?

It's hard to have a definitive opinion on a trade return when you don't know the fullness of it yet. It's nice to have four number 1 picks in the next two drafts but how they are utilized will tell us what the return truly was.

I think 6-7 games is the right number. And as stated earlier, it was 7.5 in Vegas before the trade.

I can only imagine what sports talk radio in Dallas has been like over the last week. At least the Rangers are red hot.

I mean we can have an opinion that you could have received more picks from another bidder. I'm a process guy not an outcome guy. They could draft hall of famers with picks 26 and 22 in the next two drafts and it would still be a bad return. They could be picks 12 and 18 and it would still be a bad return.

Maybe they shopped him behind closed doors and that was the best offer, but it certainly didn't seem he was being offered to the highest bidder publicly. It seems like a 3rd high end asset could have been obtained in addition to the 2 1sts.

 

[General Malaise]

I've had time to digest. These are things I think are true at the same time.


1. Micah Parsons is excellent at rushing the passer. Among the very best in the NFL.

2. Parsons is overrated for defensive impact.

3. Trading him was a fine decision, maybe even an excellent one, given the rest of the team.

4. Mulugheta sucks. Dislike him. A lot.

5. The return for the trade was not very good.

6. The manner in which finding the best deal was conducted was fairly idiotic. Feels like Nico Harrison negotiated it.

7. Dallas will still win around 6 games. Same as pre trade.

Watched the final episode of the Cowboys' doc over the weekend and they highlighted the playoff loss to Green Bay in '24 quite a bit. I know he can't be everywhere on the field, but I saw Micha Parsons standing there looking at Aaron Jones run into the endzone as if he was a spectator. To your point, great pass rusher, but where was he in the playoffs?

It's hard to have a definitive opinion on a trade return when you don't know the fullness of it yet. It's nice to have four number 1 picks in the next two drafts but how they are utilized will tell us what the return truly was.

I think 6-7 games is the right number. And as stated earlier, it was 7.5 in Vegas before the trade.

I can only imagine what sports talk radio in Dallas has been like over the last week. At least the Rangers are red hot.

I mean we can have an opinion that you could have received more picks from another bidder. I'm a process guy not an outcome guy. They could draft hall of famers with picks 26 and 22 in the next two drafts and it would still be a bad return. They could be picks 12 and 18 and it would still be a bad return.

No knowing what other teams offered makes it pretty hard to form a full opinion. How many other real bidders were out there?

 

[General Malaise]

I've had time to digest. These are things I think are true at the same time.


1. Micah Parsons is excellent at rushing the passer. Among the very best in the NFL.

2. Parsons is overrated for defensive impact.

3. Trading him was a fine decision, maybe even an excellent one, given the rest of the team.

4. Mulugheta sucks. Dislike him. A lot.

5. The return for the trade was not very good.

6. The manner in which finding the best deal was conducted was fairly idiotic. Feels like Nico Harrison negotiated it.

7. Dallas will still win around 6 games. Same as pre trade.

Watched the final episode of the Cowboys' doc over the weekend and they highlighted the playoff loss to Green Bay in '24 quite a bit. I know he can't be everywhere on the field, but I saw Micha Parsons standing there looking at Aaron Jones run into the endzone as if he was a spectator. To your point, great pass rusher, but where was he in the playoffs?

It's hard to have a definitive opinion on a trade return when you don't know the fullness of it yet. It's nice to have four number 1 picks in the next two drafts but how they are utilized will tell us what the return truly was.

I think 6-7 games is the right number. And as stated earlier, it was 7.5 in Vegas before the trade.

I can only imagine what sports talk radio in Dallas has been like over the last week. At least the Rangers are red hot.

I mean we can have an opinion that you could have received more picks from another bidder. I'm a process guy not an outcome guy. They could draft hall of famers with picks 26 and 22 in the next two drafts and it would still be a bad return. They could be picks 12 and 18 and it would still be a bad return.

Maybe they shopped him behind closed doors and that was the best offer, but it certainly didn't seem he was being offered to the highest bidder publicly. It seems like a 3rd high end asset could have been obtained in addition to the 2 1sts.

It does smell like Jerry wanting the player gone because it was getting personal and Jerry doesn't handle criticism well. He will absolutely cut off his nose to spite his face.

 

[Terpman22]

I've had time to digest. These are things I think are true at the same time.


1. Micah Parsons is excellent at rushing the passer. Among the very best in the NFL.

2. Parsons is overrated for defensive impact.

3. Trading him was a fine decision, maybe even an excellent one, given the rest of the team.

4. Mulugheta sucks. Dislike him. A lot.

5. The return for the trade was not very good.

6. The manner in which finding the best deal was conducted was fairly idiotic. Feels like Nico Harrison negotiated it.

7. Dallas will still win around 6 games. Same as pre trade.

Watched the final episode of the Cowboys' doc over the weekend and they highlighted the playoff loss to Green Bay in '24 quite a bit. I know he can't be everywhere on the field, but I saw Micha Parsons standing there looking at Aaron Jones run into the endzone as if he was a spectator. To your point, great pass rusher, but where was he in the playoffs?

It's hard to have a definitive opinion on a trade return when you don't know the fullness of it yet. It's nice to have four number 1 picks in the next two drafts but how they are utilized will tell us what the return truly was.

I think 6-7 games is the right number. And as stated earlier, it was 7.5 in Vegas before the trade.

I can only imagine what sports talk radio in Dallas has been like over the last week. At least the Rangers are red hot.

I mean we can have an opinion that you could have received more picks from another bidder. I'm a process guy not an outcome guy. They could draft hall of famers with picks 26 and 22 in the next two drafts and it would still be a bad return. They could be picks 12 and 18 and it would still be a bad return.

Maybe they shopped him behind closed doors and that was the best offer, but it certainly didn't seem he was being offered to the highest bidder publicly. It seems like a 3rd high end asset could have been obtained in addition to the 2 1sts.

It does smell like Jerry wanting the player gone because it was getting personal and Jerry doesn't handle criticism well. He will absolutely cut off his nose to spite his face.

I think this is true, but I think what was most personal was Jerry putting his foot down about "How things will be done in Dallas/I make the rules, not you" aka you take the deal I give you when I give it to you and you definitely DON'T MAKE THE BOSS LOOK BAD. Once that all happened, he had no choice bc ego.

W that said, I'm coming a little bit more around on the value retained AT THE TIME bc truly there probably was not another team to offer a contract + 2 rounds 5 days ago.

But yeah, the timing gets a big fat F- grade. Could have made this a bidding war in March...

 

[Instinctive]

I've had time to digest. These are things I think are true at the same time.


1. Micah Parsons is excellent at rushing the passer. Among the very best in the NFL.

2. Parsons is overrated for defensive impact.

3. Trading him was a fine decision, maybe even an excellent one, given the rest of the team.

4. Mulugheta sucks. Dislike him. A lot.

5. The return for the trade was not very good.

6. The manner in which finding the best deal was conducted was fairly idiotic. Feels like Nico Harrison negotiated it.

7. Dallas will still win around 6 games. Same as pre trade.

Watched the final episode of the Cowboys' doc over the weekend and they highlighted the playoff loss to Green Bay in '24 quite a bit. I know he can't be everywhere on the field, but I saw Micha Parsons standing there looking at Aaron Jones run into the endzone as if he was a spectator. To your point, great pass rusher, but where was he in the playoffs?

It's hard to have a definitive opinion on a trade return when you don't know the fullness of it yet. It's nice to have four number 1 picks in the next two drafts but how they are utilized will tell us what the return truly was.

I think 6-7 games is the right number. And as stated earlier, it was 7.5 in Vegas before the trade.

I can only imagine what sports talk radio in Dallas has been like over the last week. At least the Rangers are red hot.

I mean we can have an opinion that you could have received more picks from another bidder. I'm a process guy not an outcome guy. They could draft hall of famers with picks 26 and 22 in the next two drafts and it would still be a bad return. They could be picks 12 and 18 and it would still be a bad return.

No knowing what other teams offered makes it pretty hard to form a full opinion. How many other real bidders were out there?

That's kind of my point.

1. You can look at comparable trades (they got less than Khalil Mack fetched, for example, and he was a less valuable asset).

2. The reason I judge it harshly is because they don't seem to have had offers. That's why I comped it to Luka. They honed in on some DT they wanted and didn't conduct a full sweep. That's why I called it idiotic.

 

[rockaction]

I've had time to digest. These are things I think are true at the same time.


1. Micah Parsons is excellent at rushing the passer. Among the very best in the NFL.

2. Parsons is overrated for defensive impact.

3. Trading him was a fine decision, maybe even an excellent one, given the rest of the team.

4. Mulugheta sucks. Dislike him. A lot.

5. The return for the trade was not very good.

6. The manner in which finding the best deal was conducted was fairly idiotic. Feels like Nico Harrison negotiated it.

7. Dallas will still win around 6 games. Same as pre trade.

Watched the final episode of the Cowboys' doc over the weekend and they highlighted the playoff loss to Green Bay in '24 quite a bit. I know he can't be everywhere on the field, but I saw Micha Parsons standing there looking at Aaron Jones run into the endzone as if he was a spectator. To your point, great pass rusher, but where was he in the playoffs?

It's hard to have a definitive opinion on a trade return when you don't know the fullness of it yet. It's nice to have four number 1 picks in the next two drafts but how they are utilized will tell us what the return truly was.

I think 6-7 games is the right number. And as stated earlier, it was 7.5 in Vegas before the trade.

I can only imagine what sports talk radio in Dallas has been like over the last week. At least the Rangers are red hot.

I mean we can have an opinion that you could have received more picks from another bidder. I'm a process guy not an outcome guy. They could draft hall of famers with picks 26 and 22 in the next two drafts and it would still be a bad return. They could be picks 12 and 18 and it would still be a bad return.

No knowing what other teams offered makes it pretty hard to form a full opinion. How many other real bidders were out there?

That's kind of my point.

1. You can look at comparable trades (they got less than Khalil Mack fetched, for example, and he was a less valuable asset).

2. The reason I judge it harshly is because they don't seem to have had offers. That's why I comped it to Luka. They honestly in on some DT they wanted and didn't conduct a full sweep. That's why I called it idiotic.

Albert Breer is reporting six teams were in the mix. Personally, there's so much PR going on about this deal (his agent was on First Take for goodness sake) that I don't know who or what to believe but it doesn't seem they got a whole ton. That said, the party who traded for him then had to shell out the biggest non-QB contract ever, so there's that to consider. They've gotten more savvy in front offices (you would know this) about cost control. Barnwell estimates the two first round picks cost the Packers 18 million dollars. So they're paying over 200 million dollars and Dallas is netting 18 million without having to break the bank for Parsons.

I think your seven-point summary is excellent, frankly. I agree with all of it.

 

[General Malaise]

I've had time to digest. These are things I think are true at the same time.


1. Micah Parsons is excellent at rushing the passer. Among the very best in the NFL.

2. Parsons is overrated for defensive impact.

3. Trading him was a fine decision, maybe even an excellent one, given the rest of the team.

4. Mulugheta sucks. Dislike him. A lot.

5. The return for the trade was not very good.

6. The manner in which finding the best deal was conducted was fairly idiotic. Feels like Nico Harrison negotiated it.

7. Dallas will still win around 6 games. Same as pre trade.

Watched the final episode of the Cowboys' doc over the weekend and they highlighted the playoff loss to Green Bay in '24 quite a bit. I know he can't be everywhere on the field, but I saw Micha Parsons standing there looking at Aaron Jones run into the endzone as if he was a spectator. To your point, great pass rusher, but where was he in the playoffs?

It's hard to have a definitive opinion on a trade return when you don't know the fullness of it yet. It's nice to have four number 1 picks in the next two drafts but how they are utilized will tell us what the return truly was.

I think 6-7 games is the right number. And as stated earlier, it was 7.5 in Vegas before the trade.

I can only imagine what sports talk radio in Dallas has been like over the last week. At least the Rangers are red hot.

I mean we can have an opinion that you could have received more picks from another bidder. I'm a process guy not an outcome guy. They could draft hall of famers with picks 26 and 22 in the next two drafts and it would still be a bad return. They could be picks 12 and 18 and it would still be a bad return.

No knowing what other teams offered makes it pretty hard to form a full opinion. How many other real bidders were out there?

That's kind of my point.

1. You can look at comparable trades (they got less than Khalil Mack fetched, for example, and he was a less valuable asset).

2. The reason I judge it harshly is because they don't seem to have had offers. That's why I comped it to Luka. They honestly in on some DT they wanted and didn't conduct a full sweep. That's why I called it idiotic.

I'm with you. I am probably over optimistic about the picks but without any idea where those picks will land (probably >20) that optimism is misplaced. Jerry created a big math problem for the team with the Dak/Lamb contracts.

 

[Instinctive]

I've had time to digest. These are things I think are true at the same time.


1. Micah Parsons is excellent at rushing the passer. Among the very best in the NFL.

2. Parsons is overrated for defensive impact.

3. Trading him was a fine decision, maybe even an excellent one, given the rest of the team.

4. Mulugheta sucks. Dislike him. A lot.

5. The return for the trade was not very good.

6. The manner in which finding the best deal was conducted was fairly idiotic. Feels like Nico Harrison negotiated it.

7. Dallas will still win around 6 games. Same as pre trade.

Watched the final episode of the Cowboys' doc over the weekend and they highlighted the playoff loss to Green Bay in '24 quite a bit. I know he can't be everywhere on the field, but I saw Micha Parsons standing there looking at Aaron Jones run into the endzone as if he was a spectator. To your point, great pass rusher, but where was he in the playoffs?

It's hard to have a definitive opinion on a trade return when you don't know the fullness of it yet. It's nice to have four number 1 picks in the next two drafts but how they are utilized will tell us what the return truly was.

I think 6-7 games is the right number. And as stated earlier, it was 7.5 in Vegas before the trade.

I can only imagine what sports talk radio in Dallas has been like over the last week. At least the Rangers are red hot.

I mean we can have an opinion that you could have received more picks from another bidder. I'm a process guy not an outcome guy. They could draft hall of famers with picks 26 and 22 in the next two drafts and it would still be a bad return. They could be picks 12 and 18 and it would still be a bad return.

No knowing what other teams offered makes it pretty hard to form a full opinion. How many other real bidders were out there?

That's kind of my point.

1. You can look at comparable trades (they got less than Khalil Mack fetched, for example, and he was a less valuable asset).

2. The reason I judge it harshly is because they don't seem to have had offers. That's why I comped it to Luka. They honestly in on some DT they wanted and didn't conduct a full sweep. That's why I called it idiotic.

I'm with you. I am probably over optimistic about the picks but without any idea where those picks will land (probably >20) that optimism is misplaced. Jerry created a big math problem for the team with the Dak/Lamb contracts.

Yeah. I mean they could both be top five picks and I still think with everything we actually know today it wasn't enough. They just got lucky (like the Mavs in the lottery).

I'm open to a POV that the packers are a time bomb and these picks are gonna be awesome. Maybe then you can say it's a calculate risk with picks of higher than most think value wise.

 

[General Malaise]

I've had time to digest. These are things I think are true at the same time.


1. Micah Parsons is excellent at rushing the passer. Among the very best in the NFL.

2. Parsons is overrated for defensive impact.

3. Trading him was a fine decision, maybe even an excellent one, given the rest of the team.

4. Mulugheta sucks. Dislike him. A lot.

5. The return for the trade was not very good.

6. The manner in which finding the best deal was conducted was fairly idiotic. Feels like Nico Harrison negotiated it.

7. Dallas will still win around 6 games. Same as pre trade.

Watched the final episode of the Cowboys' doc over the weekend and they highlighted the playoff loss to Green Bay in '24 quite a bit. I know he can't be everywhere on the field, but I saw Micha Parsons standing there looking at Aaron Jones run into the endzone as if he was a spectator. To your point, great pass rusher, but where was he in the playoffs?

It's hard to have a definitive opinion on a trade return when you don't know the fullness of it yet. It's nice to have four number 1 picks in the next two drafts but how they are utilized will tell us what the return truly was.

I think 6-7 games is the right number. And as stated earlier, it was 7.5 in Vegas before the trade.

I can only imagine what sports talk radio in Dallas has been like over the last week. At least the Rangers are red hot.

I mean we can have an opinion that you could have received more picks from another bidder. I'm a process guy not an outcome guy. They could draft hall of famers with picks 26 and 22 in the next two drafts and it would still be a bad return. They could be picks 12 and 18 and it would still be a bad return.

No knowing what other teams offered makes it pretty hard to form a full opinion. How many other real bidders were out there?

That's kind of my point.

1. You can look at comparable trades (they got less than Khalil Mack fetched, for example, and he was a less valuable asset).

2. The reason I judge it harshly is because they don't seem to have had offers. That's why I comped it to Luka. They honestly in on some DT they wanted and didn't conduct a full sweep. That's why I called it idiotic.

I'm with you. I am probably over optimistic about the picks but without any idea where those picks will land (probably >20) that optimism is misplaced. Jerry created a big math problem for the team with the Dak/Lamb contracts.

Yeah. I mean they could both be top five picks and I still think with everything we actually know today it wasn't enough. They just got lucky (like the Mavs in the lottery).

I'm open to a POV that the packers are a time bomb and these picks are gonna be awesome. Maybe then you can say it's a calculate risk with picks of higher than most think value wise.

The Parsons' back injury news is another consideration. How serious is it? Read today that he will need weekly epidurals and if so, yikes. That's significant if true.

 

[Instinctive]

I've had time to digest. These are things I think are true at the same time.


1. Micah Parsons is excellent at rushing the passer. Among the very best in the NFL.

2. Parsons is overrated for defensive impact.

3. Trading him was a fine decision, maybe even an excellent one, given the rest of the team.

4. Mulugheta sucks. Dislike him. A lot.

5. The return for the trade was not very good.

6. The manner in which finding the best deal was conducted was fairly idiotic. Feels like Nico Harrison negotiated it.

7. Dallas will still win around 6 games. Same as pre trade.

Watched the final episode of the Cowboys' doc over the weekend and they highlighted the playoff loss to Green Bay in '24 quite a bit. I know he can't be everywhere on the field, but I saw Micha Parsons standing there looking at Aaron Jones run into the endzone as if he was a spectator. To your point, great pass rusher, but where was he in the playoffs?

It's hard to have a definitive opinion on a trade return when you don't know the fullness of it yet. It's nice to have four number 1 picks in the next two drafts but how they are utilized will tell us what the return truly was.

I think 6-7 games is the right number. And as stated earlier, it was 7.5 in Vegas before the trade.

I can only imagine what sports talk radio in Dallas has been like over the last week. At least the Rangers are red hot.

I mean we can have an opinion that you could have received more picks from another bidder. I'm a process guy not an outcome guy. They could draft hall of famers with picks 26 and 22 in the next two drafts and it would still be a bad return. They could be picks 12 and 18 and it would still be a bad return.

No knowing what other teams offered makes it pretty hard to form a full opinion. How many other real bidders were out there?

That's kind of my point.

1. You can look at comparable trades (they got less than Khalil Mack fetched, for example, and he was a less valuable asset).

2. The reason I judge it harshly is because they don't seem to have had offers. That's why I comped it to Luka. They honestly in on some DT they wanted and didn't conduct a full sweep. That's why I called it idiotic.

I'm with you. I am probably over optimistic about the picks but without any idea where those picks will land (probably >20) that optimism is misplaced. Jerry created a big math problem for the team with the Dak/Lamb contracts.

Yeah. I mean they could both be top five picks and I still think with everything we actually know today it wasn't enough. They just got lucky (like the Mavs in the lottery).

I'm open to a POV that the packers are a time bomb and these picks are gonna be awesome. Maybe then you can say it's a calculate risk with picks of higher than most think value wise.

The Parsons' back injury news is another consideration. How serious is it? Read today that he will need weekly epidurals and if so, yikes. That's significant if true.

That, too, could change my mind. If much of this was a smokescreen and lost in it all is Parsons needing a major back surgery and then never being the same...then maybe it was a phenomenal trade (and the "shoulda done it sooner" doesn't apply because the back injury didn't surface til August, for example.

 

[General Malaise]

Curious to me that the Packers' seem totally fine with his back. All sales are final here, so maybe his back is fine but gosh, weekly epidurals seems ungood.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I've had time to digest. These are things I think are true at the same time.


1. Micah Parsons is excellent at rushing the passer. Among the very best in the NFL.

2. Parsons is overrated for defensive impact.

3. Trading him was a fine decision, maybe even an excellent one, given the rest of the team.

4. Mulugheta sucks. Dislike him. A lot.

5. The return for the trade was not very good.

6. The manner in which finding the best deal was conducted was fairly idiotic. Feels like Nico Harrison negotiated it.

7. Dallas will still win around 6 games. Same as pre trade.

Watched the final episode of the Cowboys' doc over the weekend and they highlighted the playoff loss to Green Bay in '24 quite a bit. I know he can't be everywhere on the field, but I saw Micha Parsons standing there looking at Aaron Jones run into the endzone as if he was a spectator. To your point, great pass rusher, but where was he in the playoffs?

It's hard to have a definitive opinion on a trade return when you don't know the fullness of it yet. It's nice to have four number 1 picks in the next two drafts but how they are utilized will tell us what the return truly was.

I think 6-7 games is the right number. And as stated earlier, it was 7.5 in Vegas before the trade.

I can only imagine what sports talk radio in Dallas has been like over the last week. At least the Rangers are red hot.

I mean we can have an opinion that you could have received more picks from another bidder. I'm a process guy not an outcome guy. They could draft hall of famers with picks 26 and 22 in the next two drafts and it would still be a bad return. They could be picks 12 and 18 and it would still be a bad return.

No knowing what other teams offered makes it pretty hard to form a full opinion. How many other real bidders were out there?

That's kind of my point.

1. You can look at comparable trades (they got less than Khalil Mack fetched, for example, and he was a less valuable asset).

2. The reason I judge it harshly is because they don't seem to have had offers. That's why I comped it to Luka. They honestly in on some DT they wanted and didn't conduct a full sweep. That's why I called it idiotic.

I'm with you. I am probably over optimistic about the picks but without any idea where those picks will land (probably >20) that optimism is misplaced. Jerry created a big math problem for the team with the Dak/Lamb contracts.

Yeah. I mean they could both be top five picks and I still think with everything we actually know today it wasn't enough. They just got lucky (like the Mavs in the lottery).

I'm open to a POV that the packers are a time bomb and these picks are gonna be awesome. Maybe then you can say it's a calculate risk with picks of higher than most think value wise.

The Parsons' back injury news is another consideration. How serious is it? Read today that he will need weekly epidurals and if so, yikes. That's significant if true.

It ain’t

 

[General Malaise]

I've had time to digest. These are things I think are true at the same time.


1. Micah Parsons is excellent at rushing the passer. Among the very best in the NFL.

2. Parsons is overrated for defensive impact.

3. Trading him was a fine decision, maybe even an excellent one, given the rest of the team.

4. Mulugheta sucks. Dislike him. A lot.

5. The return for the trade was not very good.

6. The manner in which finding the best deal was conducted was fairly idiotic. Feels like Nico Harrison negotiated it.

7. Dallas will still win around 6 games. Same as pre trade.

Watched the final episode of the Cowboys' doc over the weekend and they highlighted the playoff loss to Green Bay in '24 quite a bit. I know he can't be everywhere on the field, but I saw Micha Parsons standing there looking at Aaron Jones run into the endzone as if he was a spectator. To your point, great pass rusher, but where was he in the playoffs?

It's hard to have a definitive opinion on a trade return when you don't know the fullness of it yet. It's nice to have four number 1 picks in the next two drafts but how they are utilized will tell us what the return truly was.

I think 6-7 games is the right number. And as stated earlier, it was 7.5 in Vegas before the trade.

I can only imagine what sports talk radio in Dallas has been like over the last week. At least the Rangers are red hot.

I mean we can have an opinion that you could have received more picks from another bidder. I'm a process guy not an outcome guy. They could draft hall of famers with picks 26 and 22 in the next two drafts and it would still be a bad return. They could be picks 12 and 18 and it would still be a bad return.

No knowing what other teams offered makes it pretty hard to form a full opinion. How many other real bidders were out there?

That's kind of my point.

1. You can look at comparable trades (they got less than Khalil Mack fetched, for example, and he was a less valuable asset).

2. The reason I judge it harshly is because they don't seem to have had offers. That's why I comped it to Luka. They honestly in on some DT they wanted and didn't conduct a full sweep. That's why I called it idiotic.

I'm with you. I am probably over optimistic about the picks but without any idea where those picks will land (probably >20) that optimism is misplaced. Jerry created a big math problem for the team with the Dak/Lamb contracts.

Yeah. I mean they could both be top five picks and I still think with everything we actually know today it wasn't enough. They just got lucky (like the Mavs in the lottery).

I'm open to a POV that the packers are a time bomb and these picks are gonna be awesome. Maybe then you can say it's a calculate risk with picks of higher than most think value wise.

The Parsons' back injury news is another consideration. How serious is it? Read today that he will need weekly epidurals and if so, yikes. That's significant if true.

It ain’t

I got ballsacked?

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

I still don't mind the return.

Kenny Clark is pretty meh but seems to fill the need Dallas identified (stopping the run). The Cowboys are paying 40 mill a year to DTs. Mazi Smith is a bust, sadly.

The two picks could land anywhere. I could see Green Bay having 8 or 9 losses next season and that is without any major changes to the team (as it stands now). Their WR group is beat up. RB depth doesn't exist and they have a tough schedule with the hardest divisions in the NFC (East & North).

Dallas will probably have a top 12 pick on there own and Green Bay's pick could fall 14-20. That is a win.

Dallas needs: RB, Edge, LB and maybe WR

If they're able to take first round grade players for those positions, it could turn around quickly. The trade was a good trade and I don't think Dallas could have gotten much more for Micah, given the contract at the end of the negotiation table.

Parsons is a great pass rusher. Generational pass rusher. We probably won't fill his shoes with any 1 player but Dallas was stuck in football purgatory with him taking up that much cap.

 

[fatness]

Persons is a great pass rusher. Generational pass rusher. We probably won't fill his shoes with any 1 player but Dallas was stuck in football purgatory with him taking up that much cap.

Isn't Clark taking up more cap space than Parsons? I think I read that in the Parsons trade thread.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Persons is a great pass rusher. Generational pass rusher. We probably won't fill his shoes with any 1 player but Dallas was stuck in football purgatory with him taking up that much cap.

Isn't Clark taking up more cap space than Parsons? I think I read that in the Parsons trade thread.

Yes? I was referring to the totality of the contract. 9.9 million this year, Brinks truck next season.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Hey all, I posted this in the game thread, but who do you think will be on the Dline when DAL runs a bear front? Do you think Eberfluss will try snd run Bear front to stop Saquon?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Hey all, I posted this in the game thread, but who do you think will be on the Dline when DAL runs a bear front? Do you think Eberfluss will try snd run Bear front to stop Saquon?

If I had to guess it would be

Fowler Jr
OSA or Solomon Thomas
Clark
Houston

 

[ffmail4me]

Dallas homers, if you had to start a questionable RB at your flex, would you roll with Blue or Croskey-Merritt? Is there any intel on how quickly they will try to use Blue in the offense?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Dallas homers, if you had to start a questionable RB at your flex, would you roll with Blue or Croskey-Merritt? Is there any intel on how quickly they will try to use Blue in the offense?

I dropped Blue for Bill but the only logic I have behind it is what I’ve read here. Traditionally Cowboys rookie RBs don’t do much but I hope I’m wrong

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Thought Dak played pretty well last night, had fire in his eyes and was fearless trying to get the Cowboys down the field
I thought he played well enough to win the game last night

Wanted to hear from the Dallas fans and their assessment of Dak and the offense overall
The Defense was not as bad as I expected, made Philly work slowly down the field

 

[Rig24]

Thats a tough game to get strong takeaways. Before the delay, the Ds couldn't stop anything, then after, the Os couldn't move the ball. Very strange.

Cee Dee has to be the biggest disappointment, Between his drops and Sanders turnover, the game was lost.

Dak diffidently played well enough to win, although almost got Ferguson's head taken off.

 

[IHEARTFF]

This is a good team who should make the playoffs.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Happy with what I saw. They are still a better team so to keep it that close was a positive.

I didnt like Sanders (the player) before last night and I like him even less today.

 

[Manster]

Thought Dak played pretty well last night, had fire in his eyes and was fearless trying to get the Cowboys down the field
I thought he played well enough to win the game last night

Wanted to hear from the Dallas fans and their assessment of Dak and the offense overall
The Defense was not as bad as I expected, made Philly work slowly down the field

The defense came out of the delay on fire. I was impressed.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This is a good team who should make the playoffs.

That's what i took away from the game last night, don't be surprised when Dallas ends up 10-7 this year and edges out Washington for a WIldcard spot,
Mike McCarthy overall was successful especially the regular season then it fell apart without Dak last season
Shouldn't be a shocker that this team is actually decent/pretty good
It wasn't a dumpster fire the last 3-4-5 years, that's just not what has been unfolding in Dallas

 

[Football Jones]

I'm impressed. Do we have ourselves a coach? It's very possible. Philly doesn't look like the same team. It's a loss, not good enough, but we're going to catch the Eagles and it's not going to take several years. The Micah trade will only hasten the timeline.

BTW, can't wait until Overshown gets back. He's a difference-maker. There's your spy on Hurts...

 

[need2know]

Good game

 

[Football Jones]

Turns out the Packers first tried to get Trey Hendrickson. The problem was the Bengals wanted Kenny Clark. Given the difference in money, I would, too. There's something terribly wrong with the fact Parsons makes 47 million a year and Hendrickson makes 30 mil.

Clark is a difference-maker and that's not something that's negotiable. It was only 1 game, but Philly had negative first contact yardage. That means their RBs were getting hit in the backfield on average. Supposedly, they have the best OL in the league. The last time that happened for the Eagles was in 2017.

I'd have to look how many snaps Clark got, but I doubt it was a full compliment. He also should've got credited with half a sack on the one Kneeland got. Clark sure makes other guy's jobs much easier. Long year ahead and it remains to be seen how the picks shake out, but ol' Jerruh set us up with this deal. The senile one was able to nab Clark. It's the kind of trade top owners/GMs make. That said, I commend Green Bay for swinging for the fence despite my opinion on Micah's value/salary ratio.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

So we stink but we dont lose to the Giant stink.













Right?

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Bland out for weeks

 

[Lehigh98]

So we stink but we dont lose to the Giant stink.













Right?

You're my survivor pool pick, go get 'em!

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

So we stink but we dont lose to the Giant stink.











Right?

You're my survivor pool pick, go get 'em!

You guys are so crazy picking divisional games. Crazy I say!

 

[Cowboysfan8]

So we stink but we dont lose to the Giant stink.













Right?

You're my survivor pool pick, go get 'em!

Are you high on pot?

 

[ffmail4me]

so who is beating Dallas this week?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Exactly how you draw it up.

 

[FarFromHome]

Ready your breakfast and eat hearty for tonight we dine in hell!!!

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Jerry Jones drops Jadeveon Clowney bombshell after Cowboys' thrilling win — The Landry Hat

Sep 14, 2025 What just happened?! The Dallas Cowboys won and lost Sunday's game against the Giants seemingly dozens of times. Thanks to the Hall of Fame leg of Brandon Aubrey, though, they forced overtime and proceeded to put New York out of its misery after trading possessions in the extra...

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[Cowboysfan8]

https://x.com/dallascowboys/status/1967360672683139564?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1967360672683139564%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

 

[Pickle Rody]

Nice win. If Dak can keep games close the Cowboys have Aubrey to close out wins. If he somehow gets exposed as having a bionic leg it would not surprise or bother me one bit.

 

[Hastur]

Right out of the gate, we have to play the defending super bowl champs. We were a catch or two away from winning. Even though we lost, I was impressed with how they played.

Then we play a team most are forecasting to be awful, and we barely hung on to win. Thank God for Aubrey. Aubrey is the Aikman of kickers.

1-1 and playing the lost 0-2 Bears next. Unless it is a blowout win, we are not as strong as we may think we are.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Right out of the gate, we have to play the defending super bowl champs. We were a catch or two away from winning. Even though we lost, I was impressed with how they played.

Then we play a team most are forecasting to be awful, and we barely hung on to win. Thank God for Aubrey. Aubrey is the Aikman of kickers.

1-1 and playing the lost 0-2 Bears next. Unless it is a blowout win, we are not as strong as we may think we are.

I think the eagles are not as strong as everyone thought they would be. Our pass D seems to be a joke

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Right out of the gate, we have to play the defending super bowl champs. We were a catch or two away from winning. Even though we lost, I was impressed with how they played.

Then we play a team most are forecasting to be awful, and we barely hung on to win. Thank God for Aubrey. Aubrey is the Aikman of kickers.

1-1 and playing the lost 0-2 Bears next. Unless it is a blowout win, we are not as strong as we may think we are.

I think the eagles are not as strong as everyone thought they would be. Our pass D seems to be a joke

Not as good as everyone thinks?????

What about Jalen Hurts? AKA, the reincarnation of Joe Montana? Have you seen his passing numbers!?! Hes EL1T3!!!

HATER!!!!

 

[Pickle Rody]

I pretty much watched the entire Giants game until it switched over to KC. Missed OT. I think Aubrey saved you guys but, why exactly did he even have an opportunity to do so? That's right, Dak! And that RB, whatshisname, you picked up from Denver.

If injuries don't decimate your squad between now and then, or ours, the next Cowboys/Eagles game is gonna rock!

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Right out of the gate, we have to play the defending super bowl champs. We were a catch or two away from winning. Even though we lost, I was impressed with how they played.

Then we play a team most are forecasting to be awful, and we barely hung on to win. Thank God for Aubrey. Aubrey is the Aikman of kickers.

1-1 and playing the lost 0-2 Bears next. Unless it is a blowout win, we are not as strong as we may think we are.

I think the eagles are not as strong as everyone thought they would be. Our pass D seems to be a joke

Not as good as everyone thinks?????

What about Jalen Hurts? AKA, the reincarnation of Joe Montana? Have you seen his passing numbers!?! Hes EL1T3!!!

HATER!!!!

My bad lol