Danish McDonalds Workers Earn $20 An Hour - Big Mac Costs... (1 Viewer)

[Christo]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

So people are pathetic, self-absorbed drains because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it?Got it

Yeah that's EXACTLY what I said. Good job.

Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree.

 

[Mister CIA]

Ironic that FBG's pride themselves on being big tippers but hate the idea of similarly skilled employees in non-tipping jobs making a decent wage.

Because they would not be making or earning that wage, they simply wish to be given that wage regardless of their actual value.

I believe there's a lot of societal value in people having job that allows them to provide for their families. Some people simply aren't going to make it out of fast food type jobs and I don't mind paying a little more for things if it means people have better family lives and raise better children.

The problem is "paying a little more" is never enough. Eventually, they'll want more. Then what?

Imagine the chuckles you will share with poor people when you meet them in heaven.

I'm sure there will be no poor people in heaven. I mean, that's why it's called "heaven", right?

Are you suggesting that people serving MickeyD's in heaven won't be poor?

On Earth as in heaven, right?

 

[DrJ]

For $15 an hour, I'm making my wife and kids work at McDonald's. Soon there won't be any jobs left for the deadbeats.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

So people are pathetic, self-absorbed drains because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it? Got it

Yeah that's EXACTLY what I said. Good job.

Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree.

Classic Christo. You left out the part-added by you I might add-that says "...because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it?

Surely even you would admit that I didn't say that? Even though it's your quote I'm absolutely certain you will obfuscate from this point on. Have at it.

 

[Christo]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

So people are pathetic, self-absorbed drains because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it? Got it

Yeah that's EXACTLY what I said. Good job.

Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree.

Classic Christo. You left out the part-added by you I might add-that says "...because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it?

Surely even you would admit that I didn't say that? Even though it's your quote I'm absolutely certain you will obfuscate from this point on. Have at it.

 

[Koya]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Could you possibly be any more pompous and self-righteous?

I don't see anyone devaluing the worth of the actual people doing those jobs, mocking them or saying that they don't deserve the opportunity to improve their lots. What I see are people questioning what the stats really mean, the situations that these people are really in and if raising their pay really helps the majority of them and society or not.

It seems you're the one that prefers to slander others and "win" your argument based solely on an emotional appeal. That's both cowardly and unproductive. All you have done is poisoned the well. You have done nothing but contributed to the hateful language and violence of politics.

If the fact that I actually care about fellow humans - even those so 'pathetic' as to work for min wage - and then point out how some posters on this board dont seem to, and at the least belittle those struggling to get by, makes me pompous and self righteous, I heartily accept the moniker.

as to your last sentence, winning in i-arguement (on what you call emotion. i call it an ounce of ####### humanity. you might want to getsome) is hardly worth anything.

however, if ive touched the nerve of some folks, perhaps even you, thereby spurring your post, Ill settle for that.

not caring, which lets be honest is the root reality among some here (you can answer for yourself) is sad. but prevelant.

Oh, ill let my decade plus body of work here speak to what and who I am. faulted as that may be. nice try in attempting to sum it up so concisely. does your attack the messenger approach actually accomplish some obtuse goal of yours?

 

[EYLive]

Ironic that FBG's pride themselves on being big tippers but hate the idea of similarly skilled employees in non-tipping jobs making a decent wage.

Because they would not be making or earning that wage, they simply wish to be given that wage regardless of their actual value.

I believe there's a lot of societal value in people having job that allows them to provide for their families. Some people simply aren't going to make it out of fast food type jobs and I don't mind paying a little more for things if it means people have better family lives and raise better children.

Is it the consumers responsibility to fund the employees' better lives?

 

[EYLive]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Could you possibly be any more pompous and self-righteous?

I don't see anyone devaluing the worth of the actual people doing those jobs, mocking them or saying that they don't deserve the opportunity to improve their lots. What I see are people questioning what the stats really mean, the situations that these people are really in and if raising their pay really helps the majority of them and society or not.

It seems you're the one that prefers to slander others and "win" your argument based solely on an emotional appeal. That's both cowardly and unproductive. All you have done is poisoned the well. You have done nothing but contributed to the hateful language and violence of politics.

If the fact that I actually care about fellow humans - even those so 'pathetic' as to work for min wage - and then point out how some posters on this board dont seem to, and at the least belittle those struggling to get by, makes me pompous and self righteous, I heartily accept the moniker.

Where are you getting this from?

 

[chauncey]

For $15 an hour, I'm making my wife and kids work at McDonald's. Soon there won't be any jobs left for the deadbeats.

You bring up a great point. As the pay increases, the quality of people "interviewing" for these fast food jobs increases. Seems like the logical result would be we end up with overqualified cashiers/burger flippers and the unskilled teens and 32 year olds would be out of a job. They just can't win.

 

[Mario Kart]

While the comparison of the Danish to Americans is not even remotely close, are we, as Americans, going to value a fast food worker so much that they should get paid $15+ an hour? I might as well adjust my lifestyle, have less stress and go work at a fast food joint if that were the case.

We Americans overvalue actors/actresses, overvalue athletes, undervalue other professions yet $15+ is "just right" for a fast food employee? What jobs are high schoolers going to get or college kids if these jobs are unattainable? Seems backwards to me.

 

[Sand]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Could you possibly be any more pompous and self-righteous?

I don't see anyone devaluing the worth of the actual people doing those jobs, mocking them or saying that they don't deserve the opportunity to improve their lots. What I see are people questioning what the stats really mean, the situations that these people are really in and if raising their pay really helps the majority of them and society or not.

It seems you're the one that prefers to slander others and "win" your argument based solely on an emotional appeal. That's both cowardly and unproductive. All you have done is poisoned the well. You have done nothing but contributed to the hateful language and violence of politics.

If the fact that I actually care about fellow humans - even those so 'pathetic' as to work for min wage - and then point out how some posters on this board dont seem to, and at the least belittle those struggling to get by, makes me pompous and self righteous, I heartily accept the moniker.

Where are you getting this from?

His warped world view.

 

[Koya]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Could you possibly be any more pompous and self-righteous?

I don't see anyone devaluing the worth of the actual people doing those jobs, mocking them or saying that they don't deserve the opportunity to improve their lots. What I see are people questioning what the stats really mean, the situations that these people are really in and if raising their pay really helps the majority of them and society or not.

It seems you're the one that prefers to slander others and "win" your argument based solely on an emotional appeal. That's both cowardly and unproductive. All you have done is poisoned the well. You have done nothing but contributed to the hateful language and violence of politics.

If the fact that I actually care about fellow humans - even those so 'pathetic' as to work for min wage - and then point out how some posters on this board dont seem to, and at the least belittle those struggling to get by, makes me pompous and self righteous, I heartily accept the moniker.

Where are you getting this from?

His warped world view.

Um, yeah.

You'll have to explain a bit more. Kinda a cowardly approach to call someone out without, well, anything to support it.

You may want to start with just what world view you take issue with? Hate compassion? An understanding of socioeconomics?

What ya got?

 

[Koya]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Could you possibly be any more pompous and self-righteous?

I don't see anyone devaluing the worth of the actual people doing those jobs, mocking them or saying that they don't deserve the opportunity to improve their lots. What I see are people questioning what the stats really mean, the situations that these people are really in and if raising their pay really helps the majority of them and society or not.

It seems you're the one that prefers to slander others and "win" your argument based solely on an emotional appeal. That's both cowardly and unproductive. All you have done is poisoned the well. You have done nothing but contributed to the hateful language and violence of politics.

If the fact that I actually care about fellow humans - even those so 'pathetic' as to work for min wage - and then point out how some posters on this board dont seem to, and at the least belittle those struggling to get by, makes me pompous and self righteous, I heartily accept the moniker.

Where are you getting this from?

This and other threads on the matter? The self serving 'you dont like working at McDs, pick yourself up by the bootstraps and get a better job' crowd.

 

[Sand]

An appropriate illustration for this thread.

You may want to start with just what world view you take issue with? Hate compassion? An understanding of socioeconomics?

What ya got?

Compassion is keeping these jobs viable at some reasonable wage. Want to see a million jobs disappear overnight? Raise the wage for these jobs to $15 an hour. We'll see touch screen ordering and robotic burger flippers in no time flat.

 

[TxBuckeye]

This and other threads on the matter? The self serving 'you dont like working at McDs, pick yourself up by the bootstraps and get a better job' crowd.

I know you've been around this forum long enough to know you are not going to get anywhere with these folks. I admire your perseverance, but it is wasted effort.

 

[humpback]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Could you possibly be any more pompous and self-righteous?

I don't see anyone devaluing the worth of the actual people doing those jobs, mocking them or saying that they don't deserve the opportunity to improve their lots. What I see are people questioning what the stats really mean, the situations that these people are really in and if raising their pay really helps the majority of them and society or not.

It seems you're the one that prefers to slander others and "win" your argument based solely on an emotional appeal. That's both cowardly and unproductive. All you have done is poisoned the well. You have done nothing but contributed to the hateful language and violence of politics.

If the fact that I actually care about fellow humans - even those so 'pathetic' as to work for min wage - and then point out how some posters on this board dont seem to, and at the least belittle those struggling to get by, makes me pompous and self righteous, I heartily accept the moniker.

as to your last sentence, winning in i-arguement (on what you call emotion. i call it an ounce of ####### humanity. you might want to getsome) is hardly worth anything.

however, if ive touched the nerve of some folks, perhaps even you, thereby spurring your post, Ill settle for that.

not caring, which lets be honest is the root reality among some here (you can answer for yourself) is sad. but prevelant.

Oh, ill let my decade plus body of work here speak to what and who I am. faulted as that may be. nice try in attempting to sum it up so concisely. does your attack the messenger approach actually accomplish some obtuse goal of yours?

 

[jonessed]

An appropriate illustration for this thread.

You may want to start with just what world view you take issue with? Hate compassion? An understanding of socioeconomics?

What ya got?

Compassion is keeping these jobs viable at some reasonable wage. Want to see a million jobs disappear overnight? Raise the wage for these jobs to $15 an hour. We'll see touch screen ordering and robotic burger flippers in no time flat.

I know you've been around this forum long enough to know you are not going to get anywhere with these folks. I admire your perseverance, but it is wasted effort.

 

[Sand]

An appropriate illustration for this thread.

You may want to start with just what world view you take issue with? Hate compassion? An understanding of socioeconomics?

What ya got?

Compassion is keeping these jobs viable at some reasonable wage. Want to see a million jobs disappear overnight? Raise the wage for these jobs to $15 an hour. We'll see touch screen ordering and robotic burger flippers in no time flat.

I know you've been around this forum long enough to know you are not going to get anywhere with these folks. I admire your perseverance, but it is wasted effort.

Oh, I know. I just figured some sort of fact and reason should make a guest appearance.

 

[EYLive]

The Jack in the Box a few blocks away from my house has an ordering screen, I've only seen one person use it. But Sand is right, it'll be cheaper in the long run to just hire a few food preppers and no cashiers to take orders.

 

[SlimShady]

The same people that think jacking up the minimum wage to, say, $15/hr wont have any effect on employment

Are the very same people that think its necessary to jack up energy prices to reduce demand for fossil fuels

 

[EYLive]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Could you possibly be any more pompous and self-righteous?

I don't see anyone devaluing the worth of the actual people doing those jobs, mocking them or saying that they don't deserve the opportunity to improve their lots. What I see are people questioning what the stats really mean, the situations that these people are really in and if raising their pay really helps the majority of them and society or not.

It seems you're the one that prefers to slander others and "win" your argument based solely on an emotional appeal. That's both cowardly and unproductive. All you have done is poisoned the well. You have done nothing but contributed to the hateful language and violence of politics.

If the fact that I actually care about fellow humans - even those so 'pathetic' as to work for min wage - and then point out how some posters on this board dont seem to, and at the least belittle those struggling to get by, makes me pompous and self righteous, I heartily accept the moniker.

Where are you getting this from?

This and other threads on the matter? The self serving 'you dont like working at McDs, pick yourself up by the bootstraps and get a better job' crowd.

I guess I just have a capitalist libertarian philosophy because I see nothing wrong with with this statement.

I also don't see where the belittling is. I personally respect any honest work and tend to belittle bureaucrats rather than minimum wage manual laborers.

 

[Freelove]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

So people are pathetic, self-absorbed drains because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it?Got it

Yeah that's EXACTLY what I said. Good job.

Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree.

State school, FTW!

 

[DrJ]

Is there anything stopping people like cstu and Koya from tipping these employees if they feel they should be making more money? Seems like the whole thing could be handled without government intervention if there were enough demand for it.

 

[chauncey]

The same people that think jacking up the minimum wage to, say, $15/hr wont have any effect on employment

Are the very same people that think its necessary to jack up energy prices to reduce demand for fossil fuels

I bet these same people also drive Hondas.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Is there anything stopping people like cstu and Koya from tipping these employees if they feel they should be making more money? Seems like the whole thing could be handled without government intervention if there were enough demand for it.

The only self-absorbed drains around here is the Koya-led contingent. It's about making THEMSELVES feel better - not actually doing anything about it. In the end, it's all about platitudes. They talk about wanting to help others but never really do anything about it themselves OR they just want others to pay for it. Pretty much par for the course with these type of guys.

 

[Ilov80s]

Is there anything stopping people like cstu and Koya from tipping these employees if they feel they should be making more money? Seems like the whole thing could be handled without government intervention if there were enough demand for it.

The only self-absorbed drains around here is the Koya-led contingent. It's about making THEMSELVES feel better - not actually doing anything about it. In the end, it's all about platitudes. They talk about wanting to help others but never really do anything about it themselves OR they just want others to pay for it. Pretty much par for the course with these type of guys.

First, you can't say how anyone here does or does not give back to fellow man. I don't know what kind of charitable work they do or don't do. That's the same kind of assumptions others were accusing Koya of making. Also, there is a world of difference between hourly wages and some people choosing to give fan extra tip.

 

[Wingnut]

A Big Mac is $5?! Jesus.

 

[DaVinci]

The Jack in the Box a few blocks away from my house has an ordering screen, I've only seen one person use it. But Sand is right, it'll be cheaper in the long run to just hire a few food preppers and no cashiers to take orders.

A number of restaurants here in Japan have ticket machines for ordering. You feed your money into the machine, punch the buttons for the items you want, and hand the tickets to the waitress. It would work well for fast food places.

 

[avoiding injuries]

A Big Mac is $5?! Jesus.

Makes 5 Guys seem like a bargain.

 

[Hilts]

With a company such as Wal-Mart, the cost of a minimum wage paid employee is often shifted to the consumer anyhow via taxpayers. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same with McDonald's.

If that's the case, bootstrap pulling is all well and good as an ideal, but the reality is it doesn't happen. These folks aren't going to doctors. And if taxpayers are already subsidizing them, one option to ease the taxpayers burden would be to raise minimum wage.

 

[DrJ]

A Big Mac is $5?! Jesus.

Yeah, it's kind of insane since there's no way it costs 5x more to produce than a McDouble. Only idiots order these things unless it's 2 for $5 deal time. That's why it's a stupid sandwich to use as the barometer here. McDonald's can't charge 40% more for this sandwich and expect people to buy it no matter the hourly wages. They'll go somewhere with a good burger instead. But they can charge 40% more on soft drinks, french fries, dollar menu items, etc. Ya know, the essentials.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

Is there anything stopping people like cstu and Koya from tipping these employees if they feel they should be making more money? Seems like the whole thing could be handled without government intervention if there were enough demand for it.

The only self-absorbed drains around here is the Koya-led contingent. It's about making THEMSELVES feel better - not actually doing anything about it. In the end, it's all about platitudes. They talk about wanting to help others but never really do anything about it themselves OR they just want others to pay for it. Pretty much par for the course with these type of guys.

I would be paying for it if the minimum wage was raised. We have a systemic problem, not something that can be solved by me tipping a fast food worker here or there.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

The same people that think jacking up the minimum wage to, say, $15/hr wont have any effect on employment

Are the very same people that think its necessary to jack up energy prices to reduce demand for fossil fuels

And the people who have a problem with a $15 minimum wage are the very same people who think it's necessary for the government to subsidize the true cost of oil.

 

[DrJ]

Is there anything stopping people like cstu and Koya from tipping these employees if they feel they should be making more money? Seems like the whole thing could be handled without government intervention if there were enough demand for it.

The only self-absorbed drains around here is the Koya-led contingent. It's about making THEMSELVES feel better - not actually doing anything about it. In the end, it's all about platitudes. They talk about wanting to help others but never really do anything about it themselves OR they just want others to pay for it. Pretty much par for the course with these type of guys.

I would be paying for it if the minimum wage was raised. We have a systemic problem, not something that can be solved by me tipping a fast food worker here or there.

Sure it can. And I'm sure they won't even report it on their taxes. Even bigger win for them. Nothing stopping anyone from doing this.

 

[The Big Guy]

Is there anything stopping people like cstu and Koya from tipping these employees if they feel they should be making more money? Seems like the whole thing could be handled without government intervention if there were enough demand for it.

The only self-absorbed drains around here is the Koya-led contingent. It's about making THEMSELVES feel better - not actually doing anything about it. In the end, it's all about platitudes. They talk about wanting to help others but never really do anything about it themselves OR they just want others to pay for it. Pretty much par for the course with these type of guys.

I would be paying for it if the minimum wage was raised. We have a systemic problem, not something that can be solved by me tipping a fast food worker here or there.

Sure it can. And I'm sure they won't even report it on their taxes. Even bigger win for them. Nothing stopping anyone from doing this.

Taxes? You think these guys are paying taxes? Not a shot they are above the minimum level after basic deduction to pay any income tax. Add the earned income credits that all these "single moms" being talked about in here and they are income tax receivers.

 

[DrJ]

Speaking of which, last time I ate at a McDonalds (mid-May) a Domino's delivery person showed up to deliver the teenagers working there a couple of pizzas. Health code violations aside, I wonder how well they tipped.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Is there anything stopping people like cstu and Koya from tipping these employees if they feel they should be making more money? Seems like the whole thing could be handled without government intervention if there were enough demand for it.

The only self-absorbed drains around here is the Koya-led contingent. It's about making THEMSELVES feel better - not actually doing anything about it. In the end, it's all about platitudes. They talk about wanting to help others but never really do anything about it themselves OR they just want others to pay for it. Pretty much par for the course with these type of guys.

I would be paying for it if the minimum wage was raised. We have a systemic problem, not something that can be solved by me tipping a fast food worker here or there.

Nice deflection. It sure as hell wouldn't HURT if you did do it though, would it?

 

[DrJ]

Is there anything stopping people like cstu and Koya from tipping these employees if they feel they should be making more money? Seems like the whole thing could be handled without government intervention if there were enough demand for it.

The only self-absorbed drains around here is the Koya-led contingent. It's about making THEMSELVES feel better - not actually doing anything about it. In the end, it's all about platitudes. They talk about wanting to help others but never really do anything about it themselves OR they just want others to pay for it. Pretty much par for the course with these type of guys.

I would be paying for it if the minimum wage was raised. We have a systemic problem, not something that can be solved by me tipping a fast food worker here or there.

Sure it can. And I'm sure they won't even report it on their taxes. Even bigger win for them. Nothing stopping anyone from doing this.

Taxes? You think these guys are paying taxes? Not a shot they are above the minimum level after basic deduction to pay any income tax. Add the earned income credits that all these "single moms" being talked about in here and they are income tax receivers.

I sure hope they're at least reporting their taxes, otherwise they won't get the government windfall.

 

[The Big Guy]

Is there anything stopping people like cstu and Koya from tipping these employees if they feel they should be making more money? Seems like the whole thing could be handled without government intervention if there were enough demand for it.

The only self-absorbed drains around here is the Koya-led contingent. It's about making THEMSELVES feel better - not actually doing anything about it. In the end, it's all about platitudes. They talk about wanting to help others but never really do anything about it themselves OR they just want others to pay for it. Pretty much par for the course with these type of guys.

I would be paying for it if the minimum wage was raised. We have a systemic problem, not something that can be solved by me tipping a fast food worker here or there.

Sure it can. And I'm sure they won't even report it on their taxes. Even bigger win for them. Nothing stopping anyone from doing this.

Taxes? You think these guys are paying taxes? Not a shot they are above the minimum level after basic deduction to pay any income tax. Add the earned income credits that all these "single moms" being talked about in here and they are income tax receivers.

I sure hope they're at least reporting their taxes, otherwise they won't get the government windfall.

I did not say that they weren't doing their taxes, I am saying that they aren't paying any taxes. However if they are receiving tip income, I certainly hope they are declaring it as they would be legally required to.

 

[DrJ]

Is there anything stopping people like cstu and Koya from tipping these employees if they feel they should be making more money? Seems like the whole thing could be handled without government intervention if there were enough demand for it.

The only self-absorbed drains around here is the Koya-led contingent. It's about making THEMSELVES feel better - not actually doing anything about it. In the end, it's all about platitudes. They talk about wanting to help others but never really do anything about it themselves OR they just want others to pay for it. Pretty much par for the course with these type of guys.

I would be paying for it if the minimum wage was raised. We have a systemic problem, not something that can be solved by me tipping a fast food worker here or there.

Sure it can. And I'm sure they won't even report it on their taxes. Even bigger win for them. Nothing stopping anyone from doing this.

Taxes? You think these guys are paying taxes? Not a shot they are above the minimum level after basic deduction to pay any income tax. Add the earned income credits that all these "single moms" being talked about in here and they are income tax receivers.

I sure hope they're at least reporting their taxes, otherwise they won't get the government windfall.

I did not say that they weren't doing their taxes, I am saying that they aren't paying any taxes. However if they are receiving tip income, I certainly hope they are declaring it as they would be legally required to.

Almost no one in the restaurant business is reporting the full amount. Yeah, you have to admit that people tipped you some money, and I'm sure the percentage is increasing with people using more CC's for the transactions, but the cash left probably "didn't happen".

 

[cosjobs]

The natural result of capitalism is for the the best players of the game eventually end up with all the money.

Capitalism cannot sustain unless the enough of the lower economic strata can afford to spend disposable income to keep the machine churning.

When the money congregates to a handful at the top the capitalist system will eventually fail.

Smart capitalists will build in mechanisms to be able to keep playing the game they are so good at.

In a democracy, at SOME point, enough people will vote in their economic best interest and change the system (hello socialism and communism),if they are not accorded the opportunity to exist in a palatable manner..

You guys have read history and stuff right.

 

[DrJ]

And let's say you can't solve this with tipping - a business could always pay their employees more money, charge more for the food, and let the people know that the service they're providing is higher paying jobs. I'm guessing that restaurant doesn't get a heck of a lot of business though considering what I see with the Walmart/Target phenomena. Grocery stores are going out of business right and left while Walmart takes over more and more of the landscape.

I'm sure all of these self righteous blowhards never set foot in one of those places though to save a few of their hard earned dollars.

 

[DrJ]

The natural result of capitalism is for the the best players of the game eventually end up with all the money.

Capitalism cannot sustain unless the enough of the lower economic strata can afford to spend disposable income to keep the machine churning.

When the money congregates to a handful at the top the capitalist system will eventually fail.

Smart capitalists will build in mechanisms to be able to keep playing the game they are so good at.

In a democracy, at SOME point, enough people will vote in their economic best interest and change the system (hello socialism and communism),if they are not accorded the opportunity to exist in a palatable manner..

You guys have read history and stuff right.

It doesn't have to work that way. If you're voting for D's and R's, you're voting for the corporations. Your real vote is with your time and dollars - you don't HAVE to play this game. But people choose to anyways. You don't have to sit on your fat asses and watch 50 billion hours of television either, eating your $1 McDouble while being fed the propoganda of these corporations... yet look at what we tend to do as a populace. You don't have to rack up 40,000 posts on a message board, making no real difference whatsoever except in your own mind. And yet look at what Koya does and stands behind. "Look at my history". Yeah, your ####### history is 40,000 posts on a ####### message board.

We aren't these helpless beings. But no one wants to actually put in the work to do what it takes to win the game.

 

[DrJ]

Amazon is another one - I bet all of the self righteous blowhards never order anything from that sweat shop because it's the cheapest and most convenient place to get things while the local mom and pop store charges twice as much.

You could always get your food from local sources like the farmers market, spend a couple of hours making higher quality food yourself, at the expense of a couple of hours of propaganda laced entertainment. McDonald's and Walmart wouldn't even exist in this scenario. But alas, it's much easier and cheaper to simply ##### and whine on an internet message board.

 

[Mario Kart]

The same people that think jacking up the minimum wage to, say, $15/hr wont have any effect on employment

Are the very same people that think its necessary to jack up energy prices to reduce demand for fossil fuels

And the people who have a problem with a $15 minimum wage are the very same people who think it's necessary for the government to subsidize the true cost of oil.

That's a random comment.

 

[DrJ]

And then to top it all off, after people have spent their lives eating this crap quality food while sitting on their asses watching reality TV to feel better about themselves - they pop a few pills to deal with their various health issues and whine that health care costs too much. It's really quite an amusing display when you really think about it.

 

[Koya]

An appropriate illustration for this thread.

You may want to start with just what world view you take issue with? Hate compassion? An understanding of socioeconomics?

What ya got?

Compassion is keeping these jobs viable at some reasonable wage. Want to see a million jobs disappear overnight? Raise the wage for these jobs to $15 an hour. We'll see touch screen ordering and robotic burger flippers in no time flat.

Where have I, in this thread or another, called for a $15 Min wage? My fathers biz is manufacturing. I am quite familiar with the potentially crippling effect such a imprudent jump could result in.

That does not, however, preclude me from sympathizing and empathizing with those who are struggling to make ends meet, especially in high cost of living areas. Moreso for their children, who don't exactly have much say in the matter. And the flippance and arrogance, not to mention coldheartedness of some to discuss this as if it's just another political issue to hold some faux-ideology in place is disturbing. This is about ####### people, and a good number on this board don't seem to ever really make that connection. If anything is self serving and self righteous, it's the sad commentary of how these folks should have gotten a better education or just buck up and work their way to a better life.

If it were that easy, we would not have this epidemic of a huge swarth of our nation for whom quality of life is far, far below what we SHOULD accept in a free and just nation that cares about all its residents.

 

[Koya]

An appropriate illustration for this thread.

You may want to start with just what world view you take issue with? Hate compassion? An understanding of socioeconomics?

What ya got?

Compassion is keeping these jobs viable at some reasonable wage. Want to see a million jobs disappear overnight? Raise the wage for these jobs to $15 an hour. We'll see touch screen ordering and robotic burger flippers in no time flat.

I know you've been around this forum long enough to know you are not going to get anywhere with these folks. I admire your perseverance, but it is wasted effort.

Oh, I know. I just figured some sort of fact and reason should make a guest appearance.

Fact and reason on what - the fact that I agree a simple jump to $15 would be crippling?

You don't even seem to care to know where I actually stand on this issue. Seriously, its sad.

Sadder that you can not separate the economic wisdom of a minimum wage hike and any semblance of compassion for the tens of millions that are struggling just to make ends meet.

 

[DrJ]

An appropriate illustration for this thread.

You may want to start with just what world view you take issue with? Hate compassion? An understanding of socioeconomics?

What ya got?

Compassion is keeping these jobs viable at some reasonable wage. Want to see a million jobs disappear overnight? Raise the wage for these jobs to $15 an hour. We'll see touch screen ordering and robotic burger flippers in no time flat.

Where have I, in this thread or another, called for a $15 Min wage? My fathers biz is manufacturing. I am quite familiar with the potentially crippling effect such a imprudent jump could result in.

That does not, however, preclude me from sympathizing and empathizing with those who are struggling to make ends meet, especially in high cost of living areas. Moreso for their children, who don't exactly have much say in the matter. And the flippance and arrogance, not to mention coldheartedness of some to discuss this as if it's just another political issue to hold some faux-ideology in place is disturbing. This is about ####### people, and a good number on this board don't seem to ever really make that connection. If anything is self serving and self righteous, it's the sad commentary of how these folks should have gotten a better education or just buck up and work their way to a better life.

If it were that easy, we would not have this epidemic of a huge swarth of our nation for whom quality of life is far, far below what we SHOULD accept in a free and just nation that cares about all its residents.

Virtually everyone feels bad for these people. I try and make sure I'm polite to them, give them a smile, and I truly feel bad for them. The other day at 7-11 our kid was being very crabby. The worker there says "you want to see crabby, you should see my grand-kid when I have to wake her up at 2:00 AM and drive here with my daughter so she can have the car for the day". I truly feel bad for this person. It sucks that this is the only job they're able to qualify for.

You making assumptions about other people's motives for not wanting a $15 minimum wage is just pure jackassery.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Fact and reason on what - the fact that I agree a simple jump to $15 would be crippling?

You don't even seem to care to know where I actually stand on this issue. Seriously, its sad.

Sadder that you can not separate the economic wisdom of a minimum wage hike and any semblance of compassion for the tens of millions that are struggling just to make ends meet.

Two questions:

1) Have you even posted your stance on this issue or do you simply want to pile on others?

2) Specifically, other than whining on message boards, what have you done to help these people, either collectively or individually as Dr. J has suggested you do?