David Garrard waived by Jaguars, McCown to start Week One (1 Viewer)

[Maurile Tremblay]

I would say we'll look back and remember Garrard in the same way we remember Aaron Brooks -- one of the most egregious examples of where fantasy stats completely belied the real world skill and value ascribed to the player.

I've generally thought that Garrard was a better NFL quarterback than fantasy quarterback. I thought the opposite about Brooks.

 

[Kenny Powers]

This makes me a lot less angry that I missed on Mike Thomas in my money leagues.

....also in 1 of them, 1 guy has Peyton and Garrard as his only QBs

 

[Chase Stuart]

I would say we'll look back and remember Garrard in the same way we remember Aaron Brooks -- one of the most egregious examples of where fantasy stats completely belied the real world skill and value ascribed to the player.

I've generally thought that Garrard was a better NFL quarterback than fantasy quarterback. I thought the opposite about Brooks.

Agreed. His weapons haven't been very good and he doesn't throw often, so his fantasy value was always limited on a weekly basis (if he wasn't running). Consider this: Since 2006, Matt Jones is the leading WR in Jacksonville receiving yards with 1,721. MSW and Reggie Williams are the only other WRs with 1500+ yards. Lewis and MJD lead the team with 2,224 and 2,099 yards, respectively.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

what a cheap move by Jax. If I was a fan I would be really pissed. So, the consensus is downgrade all players from Jax? I am suddenly not feeling good about my MJD selection :X

On the contrary, local fans including myself are generally thrilled. If David is better than Luke it's not by enough to matter. Your Jag fantasy players are fine, no reason to panic. This was going to happen last season except that Luke blew out his knee. It's all good, here in Jax.

Yaknow, I get this but........you might be wanting to think about your franchise's future right about now.This team reminds me so much in terms of management of what was going on with the LA Rams before the move to St Louis. It almost seems like purposeful mediocrity. Keeping the 'meh' coach who seems to have season after season of blunders, the lack of plan, the lack of franchise identity.The planning - there is none. it's been said but I'll say it again: why rep Garrard for all of preseason and back to spring?Why have Garrard as the mentor if he won't be around. Now who's the mentor - McCown? There is no mentor? That doesn't work out too often too well in the NFL.Locker room: "Ok guys, surprise time, remember that gameplan we discussed Friday after the last preseason game? NEVER MIND" or "HE was your leader, now *HE'S your leader. Now remember, do what he - and I - say, how I say it, when I say it. Trust me [us]."This feels like Billy Joe Tolliver plus Billy Joe Hobert, as in it doesn't matter we're not winning anyway but we will not-win on the cheap. Added danger: the lease language and L.A. waiting in the wings.

 

[Jayrod]

This makes me a lot less angry that I missed on Mike Thomas in my money leagues.

....also in 1 of them, 1 guy has Peyton and Garrard as his only QBs

In my dynasty league, there is a guy in this exact same position. We have no more waiver periods before the season starts, so his only option to find a starting QB is via trade. I'm offering him Cutler for Crabtree.

 

[Wadsworth]

I would say we'll look back and remember Garrard in the same way we remember Aaron Brooks -- one of the most egregious examples of where fantasy stats completely belied the real world skill and value ascribed to the player.

I've generally thought that Garrard was a better NFL quarterback than fantasy quarterback. I thought the opposite about Brooks.

David has been the starter for at least most of the games for the past 5 seasons. The Jags have had one winning season in that time frame. Last season the Jaguars ranked 27th in passing in the NFL. They also ranked 2nd to last in attempts. The Jags are a run first team but under Garrard the passing attacks has become anemic to the point that they rarely even attempt passes down the field. David is a nice guy and not a bad NFL QB but it was time for a change.As an NFL QB David can look great for a time and then make amazingly silly mistakes. The term "self sack" was coined locally to describe when David escapes the pocket to avoid pressure and then runs out of bounds 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage instead of just throwing the ball away. David still throws to the man and not the spot. His progression on almost every play goes from the first read to the check down. Three of the last 5 seasons the Jaguars where in good position to make the playoff late only to collapse in December. Mike Thomas, MJD and Marcedes Lewis have all done well with David because their routes are usually run within his comfort zone which is with 15 yards of the line, anything beyond that and things get very risky. I think it was 2009 when the first time David even attempted a pass more than 20 yards down field was week 10 or 11. I'm not convinced that McCown is going to be any better but at this point, with the rookie in waiting it seemed a good time to make the change. Myself and I think most Jaguar fan wish David well, but patience was indeed running thin with him. He certainly wasn't the only issue with the Jaguars over the last three seasons. But he wasn't the solution either.

 

[Chase Stuart]

The Jags have had one winning season in that time frame. Last season the Jaguars ranked 27th in passing in the NFL. They also ranked 2nd to last in attempts.

That sounds like a "positive" in the Garrard column and not a negative.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I would say we'll look back and remember Garrard in the same way we remember Aaron Brooks -- one of the most egregious examples of where fantasy stats completely belied the real world skill and value ascribed to the player.

I've generally thought that Garrard was a better NFL quarterback than fantasy quarterback. I thought the opposite about Brooks.

David has been the starter for at least most of the games for the past 5 seasons. The Jags have had one winning season in that time frame. Last season the Jaguars ranked 27th in passing in the NFL. They also ranked 2nd to last in attempts. The Jags are a run first team but under Garrard the passing attacks has become anemic to the point that they rarely even attempt passes down the field. David is a nice guy and not a bad NFL QB but it was time for a change.As an NFL QB David can look great for a time and then make amazingly silly mistakes. The term "self sack" was coined locally to describe when David escapes the pocket to avoid pressure and then runs out of bounds 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage instead of just throwing the ball away. David still throws to the man and not the spot. His progression on almost every play goes from the first read to the check down. Three of the last 5 seasons the Jaguars where in good position to make the playoff late only to collapse in December. Mike Thomas, MJD and Marcedes Lewis have all done well with David because their routes are usually run within his comfort zone which is with 15 yards of the line, anything beyond that and things get very risky. I think it was 2009 when the first time David even attempted a pass more than 20 yards down field was week 10 or 11.

I'm not convinced that McCown is going to be any better but at this point, with the rookie in waiting it seemed a good time to make the change. Myself and I think most Jaguar fan wish David well, but patience was indeed running thin with him. He certainly wasn't the only issue with the Jaguars over the last three seasons. But he wasn't the solution either.

Ok, so just curious, if the idea is to hand the reins to the rookie anyway, why not just keep Garrard?

Money? That's one difference between him and McCown.

These are McCown's lifetime stats:

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% AV

2004 23 CLE 12 5 4 0-4-0 48 98 49.0 608 4 4.1 7 7.1 58 6.2 3.8 12.7 121.6 52.6 12 122 4.4 2.3 10.9 2

2007 26 TAM 12 5 3 1-2-0 94 139 67.6 1009 5 3.6 3 2.2 60 7.3 7.0 10.7 201.8 91.7 15 104 5.9 5.6 9.7 4

2008 27 TAM 12 2 0 0 1 0.0 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 39.6 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0

2009 28 JAX 12 3 0 1 3 33.3 2 0 0.0 0 0.0 2 0.7 0.7 2.0 0.7 42.4 2 7 -1.0 -1.0 40.0 0

2010 29 JAX 12 1 0 11 19 57.9 120 0 0.0 0 0.0 25 6.3 6.3 10.9 120.0 76.6 0 0 6.3 6.3 0.0 0

Career 16 7 1-6-0 154 260 59.2 1739 9 3.5 10 3.8 60 6.7 5.7 11.3 108.7 74.8 29 233 5.2 4.3 10.0 6

2 yrs JAX 4 0 12 22 54.5 122 0 0.0 0 0.0 25 5.5 5.5 10.2 30.5 70.6 2 7 4.8 4.8 8.3 0

2 yrs TAM 7 3 1-2-0 94 140 67.1 1009 5 3.6 3 2.1 60 7.2 7.0 10.7 144.1 91.0 15 104 5.8 5.6 9.7 4

1 yr CLE 5 4 0-4-0 48 98 49.0 608 4 4.1 7 7.1 58 6.2 3.8 12.7 121.6 52.6 12 122 4.4 2.3 10.9 2

1-6 lifetime as a starter, 0-4 the last time he had a real shot.

Garrard is 39-37 lifetime as a starter.

That's one other difference.

Instead of installing McCown, why not just install the rookie and have Garrad there as backup and for guidance?

 

[Jason Wood]

I would say we'll look back and remember Garrard in the same way we remember Aaron Brooks -- one of the most egregious examples of where fantasy stats completely belied the real world skill and value ascribed to the player.

I've generally thought that Garrard was a better NFL quarterback than fantasy quarterback. I thought the opposite about Brooks.

Wow, really? He's a guy that every time I see him play I wonder how he keeps his job, and then you check back at seasons end and his stats argue he was valuable to fantasy owners. What did you see that argued for his being a good QB? His won/loss record wasn't there, and his team always seemed to be toying with alternatives.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

He was in a terrible situation with a poor pass-blocking OL and subpar receivers. (I guess one could argue that Garrard made the receivers look bad rather than vice versa.)

Garrard generally played with poise, had decent accuracy when the pocket held up, mostly avoided stupid INTs (his career TD-INT ratio is 89-54), could throw on the run okay — it just always seemed to me like he was in a terrible situation, but helped make the offense a bit less terrible than it would have been with an exactly average QB.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

How many QBs would have won in Jacksonville over the past 4 or 5 years?

I think the number is relatively small.

 

[shadyridr]

As a 49ers fans I pray for them to sign him. They could win that crappy division with him (assuming he picks up the offense soon enough to start in a few weeks

 

[Wadsworth]

The Jags have had one winning season in that time frame. Last season the Jaguars ranked 27th in passing in the NFL. They also ranked 2nd to last in attempts.

That sounds like a "positive" in the Garrard column and not a negative.

I guess you could say that. But in my mind when 30 NFL teams decide to pass the ball more then it says a lot about the OCs confidence in the passing game. And keep in mind David was looking at 8 in the box very frequently. With Jacksonville's rushing attack there was certainly a lot of opportunity to make plays in the passing game.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

The Jags have had one winning season in that time frame. Last season the Jaguars ranked 27th in passing in the NFL. They also ranked 2nd to last in attempts.

That sounds like a "positive" in the Garrard column and not a negative.

I guess you could say that. But in my mind when 30 NFL teams decide to pass the ball more then it says a lot about the OCs confidence in the passing game. And keep in mind David was looking at 8 in the box very frequently. With Jacksonville's rushing attack there was certainly a lot of opportunity to make plays in the passing game.

they've had some very conservative coaches there (both head and offensive coordinators), IIRCmaybe attacking downfield isn't one of Garrard's strengths, but it also never seemed to be the offensive philosophy during his tenure either. didn't really match with the personnel either I don't think.

 

[Wadsworth]

He was in a terrible situation with a poor pass-blocking OL and subpar receivers. (I guess one could argue that Garrard made the receivers look bad rather than vice versa.)

Garrard generally played with poise, had decent accuracy when the pocket held up, mostly avoided stupid INTs (his career TD-INT ratio is 89-54), could throw on the run okay — it just always seemed to me like he was in a terrible situation, but helped make the offense a bit less terrible than it would have been with an exactly average QB.

You just described Shaun Hill, a career back up. Compare the stats. Shaun Hill

David Garrard

Almost every QB that loses his job is in a "terrible situation". Mike Thomas, Sims-Walker, M. Lewis and MJD aren't great targets, but they aren't awful either. David has some strong points, but it's tough to have a QB that hates to throw down field. David made a lot of money because he only threw 3 picks in 2007 and I think it went to his head.

 

[Wadsworth]

The Jags have had one winning season in that time frame. Last season the Jaguars ranked 27th in passing in the NFL. They also ranked 2nd to last in attempts.

That sounds like a "positive" in the Garrard column and not a negative.

I guess you could say that. But in my mind when 30 NFL teams decide to pass the ball more then it says a lot about the OCs confidence in the passing game. And keep in mind David was looking at 8 in the box very frequently. With Jacksonville's rushing attack there was certainly a lot of opportunity to make plays in the passing game.

they've had some very conservative coaches there (both head and offensive coordinators), IIRCmaybe attacking downfield isn't one of Garrard's strengths, but it also never seemed to be the offensive philosophy during his tenure either. didn't really match with the personnel either I don't think.

True enough. But it gets into a chicken vs egg situation. I know Dirk Koetter will sit here and swear to you that he wants to go down field. When you ask why he doesn't more often he gets tongue tied. By the way, a funny little quote we like to mention around here. When Wayne Weaver fired Tom and hired Jack at the press conference he said Jack Del Rio was going to open up the offense, "No more 3 yard in a cloud of dust!" Ooops.

 

[JaxBill]

This might sum it as far as a locker-room perspective

taniaganguli Tania GanguliHad a short chat with @MarcedesLewis89. He said this about McCown: "Our chemistry is pretty good. It’s definitely not a step down." #Jaguars

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

It's nit about our fantasy teams and what makes football sense to us. It's a dollar and cents move, something we really don't care about so we don't really allow for that to justify the move.

8 million is a lot they now don't have to pay. They figurd they're in a rebuilding mode anyway, they'll bring in the rookie 1/2 thru and pay a journeyman QB a lot less for close to the same results in wins and losses.

 

[delusional]

Been the most overrated QB in the league since the Jags screwed Lefty

 

[Wadsworth]

This might sum it as far as a locker-room perspective

taniaganguli Tania GanguliHad a short chat with @MarcedesLewis89. He said this about McCown: "Our chemistry is pretty good. It’s definitely not a step down." #Jaguars

Four years ago when the Jags cut Leftwich it was reported by multiple sources that Fred Taylor had to be physically restrained he was so upset. I don't think this situation is even remotely close to what happened four years as far as the player reaction.For example:

From Mark Long of APWhen asked whether #Jaguars had lost confidence in Garrard, one player told me "I don't think there was confidence to be lost."

Like I said before, I think a lot of you have misread this situation.

 

[Donnybrook]

I've always like Luk McCown. I think he will surprise some critics.

My theory is that they are setting McCown up to fail. I doubt he can succeed with such an average group of wideouts. His job is to make Gabbert look good by comparison when they finally decide to make him the starter.

 

[drfeelgood]

This might sum it as far as a locker-room perspective

taniaganguli Tania GanguliHad a short chat with @MarcedesLewis89. He said this about McCown: "Our chemistry is pretty good. It’s definitely not a step down." #Jaguars

Four years ago when the Jags cut Leftwich it was reported by multiple sources that Fred Taylor had to be physically restrained he was so upset. I don't think this situation is even remotely close to what happened four years as far as the player reaction.

I remember you were upset about Leftwich getting cut. As a matter of fact you used to have Leftwich as your avatar. You didn't have much good to say about Garrard then, and you don't now.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

They figurd they're in a rebuilding mode anyway, they'll bring in the rookie 1/2 thru and pay a journeyman QB a lot less for close to the same results in wins and losses.

then why sign LB Paul Poluszny to a $42MM contract, S Dawan Landry to a $27.5MM contract, and LB Clint Session to a $30MM contract?strange strategy for a rebuilding team.how many games are going to be blacked out in Jacksonville this year?

 

[Wadsworth]

This might sum it as far as a locker-room perspective

taniaganguli Tania GanguliHad a short chat with @MarcedesLewis89. He said this about McCown: "Our chemistry is pretty good. It’s definitely not a step down." #Jaguars

Four years ago when the Jags cut Leftwich it was reported by multiple sources that Fred Taylor had to be physically restrained he was so upset. I don't think this situation is even remotely close to what happened four years as far as the player reaction.

I remember you were upset about Leftwich getting cut. As a matter of fact you used to have Leftwich as your avatar. You didn't have much good to say about Garrard then, and you don't now.

That's true but it has nothing to do with David as a person. He's a good guy and I wish him the best. My problem with David is that I don't like his game. I think to win consistently in the NFL you need a QB that can drop back, read the defense, put his back foot in the ground and deliver the ball accurately to the right target. A QB that's not afraid to throw into small windows down field when he has to make a play. I thought Leftwich had a chance to develop into such a QB if he could stay healthy. Those just aren't David's strengths.I'm a Jaguars fan and my previous support of Leftwich and dissatisfaction with David was based on what I thought was best for the franchise. That opinion hasn't changed.

 

[Wadsworth]

They figurd they're in a rebuilding mode anyway, they'll bring in the rookie 1/2 thru and pay a journeyman QB a lot less for close to the same results in wins and losses.

then why sign LB Paul Poluszny to a $42MM contract, S Dawan Landry to a $27.5MM contract, and LB Clint Session to a $30MM contract?strange strategy for a rebuilding team.how many games are going to be blacked out in Jacksonville this year?

They say the first game isn't going to be blacked out but I think the team is planning on buying up tickets. Last I heard Tampa was going to be the only black out for opening week.More quotes:

From Jay Glazer - "The interesting thing was that the players in the Jaguars locker room, they're not that shocked. The guys I talked to in there said that they thought this was an inevitable move. At one point it was going to happen this year, that the move was going to be made.Luke McCown, they said, has played extremely well."

 

[Ministry of Pain]

They figurd they're in a rebuilding mode anyway, they'll bring in the rookie 1/2 thru and pay a journeyman QB a lot less for close to the same results in wins and losses.

then why sign LB Paul Poluszny to a $42MM contract, S Dawan Landry to a $27.5MM contract, and LB Clint Session to a $30MM contract?strange strategy for a rebuilding team.how many games are going to be blacked out in Jacksonville this year?

Great question and like Miami almost all of them. Tampa Bay gonna be mostly blackouts too from what I'm hearing.

 

[toxicbees]

As a 49ers fans I pray for them to sign him. They could win that crappy division with him (assuming he picks up the offense soon enough to start in a few weeks

It won't happen because it makes too much sense.

 

[BassNBrew]

They figurd they're in a rebuilding mode anyway, they'll bring in the rookie 1/2 thru and pay a journeyman QB a lot less for close to the same results in wins and losses.

then why sign LB Paul Poluszny to a $42MM contract, S Dawan Landry to a $27.5MM contract, and LB Clint Session to a $30MM contract?strange strategy for a rebuilding team.how many games are going to be blacked out in Jacksonville this year?

Great question and like Miami almost all of them. Tampa Bay gonna be mostly blackouts too from what I'm hearing.

Sounds like it's time for some contraction in the Florida market.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

if Garrard winds up in San Fran, does he take Josh McCown's spot? might be awkward otherwise.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

They figurd they're in a rebuilding mode anyway, they'll bring in the rookie 1/2 thru and pay a journeyman QB a lot less for close to the same results in wins and losses.

then why sign LB Paul Poluszny to a $42MM contract, S Dawan Landry to a $27.5MM contract, and LB Clint Session to a $30MM contract?strange strategy for a rebuilding team.how many games are going to be blacked out in Jacksonville this year?

Great question and like Miami almost all of them. Tampa Bay gonna be mostly blackouts too from what I'm hearing.

Sounds like it's time for some contraction in the Florida market.

It's gonna get worseMiami had 347 people show up for a Marlins game this year, anything is possible.

 

[[scooter]]

if Garrard winds up in San Fran, does he take Josh McCown's spot? might be awkward otherwise.

(Josh McCown was cut last week, though. )

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

if Garrard winds up in San Fran, does he take Josh McCown's spot? might be awkward otherwise.

(Josh McCown was cut last week, though. )

darn.I must have been listening to some old podcast that was talking about him there. I forgot they picked up Tolzien.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

@adbrandt Andrew BrandtAsked Garrard's agent Al Irby if any hints on release: "Not one clue. All indications were he would be there. They cut their best QB."

 

[Wadsworth]

@adbrandt Andrew BrandtAsked Garrard's agent Al Irby if any hints on release: "Not one clue. All indications were he would be there. They cut their best QB."

Yea, there was a Chamber of Commerce function at the stadium at 2pm where David was introduced as the Jags QB. At 3pm he was cut. Terrible mismanagement of the situation by the Jaguars, they should be embarrassed. I like the move, but hate how it was done.

 

[baconisgood]

This might sum it as far as a locker-room perspective

taniaganguli Tania GanguliHad a short chat with @MarcedesLewis89. He said this about McCown: "Our chemistry is pretty good. It’s definitely not a step down." #Jaguars

Four years ago when the Jags cut Leftwich it was reported by multiple sources that Fred Taylor had to be physically restrained he was so upset. I don't think this situation is even remotely close to what happened four years as far as the player reaction.For example:

From Mark Long of APWhen asked whether #Jaguars had lost confidence in Garrard, one player told me "I don't think there was confidence to be lost."

Like I said before, I think a lot of you have misread this situation.

The Jags did go 11-5 (Garrard went 9-3 as a starter) the year Leftwich was cut and won a playoff game. For all the grief that Garrard and Del Rio get they are basically league average at their jobs. Garrard was a tad above 0.500 without major weapons in the passing game and Del Rio has 2 playoff appearances in 8 years in a division with the Colts. Great at their jobs? No, but certainly not bad enough given the venom sent their way.

 

[Wadsworth]

Another quote:

The Titans don't hold Garrard in high regard, from what I know, and I don't think they are celebrating that he won't be on the field Sunday at EverBank Field." -per ESPN Paul K.

This was not a money move.

 

[badbart]

I've always thought Garrard could succeed very well if the Jags had ever put some decent talent on the offensive line and at the WR spot. Of course I'm an ECU homer and watched what he could do with a good OC. Honestly, had they kept Leftwich and the same line he'd have been knocked out every season. It is painfully obvious that this franchise sucks from the top down and I'd bet this team wins maybe 3-4 games this year. As soon as MJD goes out hurt again those numbers go down. That fan base deserves nothing less and will be stuck without a team very soon. Good riddance.

 

[thehornet]

Classic and ill-timed money dump. Anyone stupid enough to believe this was not a money dump has been fooled badly by Jax front office.

 

[Sam Quentin]

This might sum it as far as a locker-room perspective

taniaganguli Tania GanguliHad a short chat with @MarcedesLewis89. He said this about McCown: "Our chemistry is pretty good. It’s definitely not a step down." #Jaguars

WTH is he supposed to say?

 

[Wadsworth]

They figurd they're in a rebuilding mode anyway, they'll bring in the rookie 1/2 thru and pay a journeyman QB a lot less for close to the same results in wins and losses.

then why sign LB Paul Poluszny to a $42MM contract, S Dawan Landry to a $27.5MM contract, and LB Clint Session to a $30MM contract?strange strategy for a rebuilding team.

how many games are going to be blacked out in Jacksonville this year?

Just based on the fan reaction I've seen since the move I'm prepared to predict a big spike in ticket sales.

 

[RJS113]

Luke McCown will be a top waiver wire pickup next week. Dude can play, just hasn't had a fair shot (in part due to injuries). I was a fan of his in Tampa, and I expect him to do well. I'd actually BUMP the Jags skill players with this move.

 

[flapgreen]

Mike Walker as my 3rd wr.

 

[valhallan]

Mike Walker as my 3rd wr.

He's not on Jacksonville anymore.

 

[Jason Wood]

They figurd they're in a rebuilding mode anyway, they'll bring in the rookie 1/2 thru and pay a journeyman QB a lot less for close to the same results in wins and losses.

then why sign LB Paul Poluszny to a $42MM contract, S Dawan Landry to a $27.5MM contract, and LB Clint Session to a $30MM contract?strange strategy for a rebuilding team.how many games are going to be blacked out in Jacksonville this year?

I don't think the Jaguars think they're any worse off with McCown under center, and from a number of snippets we're getting back from players, they don't either.

if Garrard winds up in San Fran, does he take Josh McCown's spot? might be awkward otherwise.

McCown didn't make the Week One roster, GB

 

[flapgreen]

Mike Walker as my 3rd wr.

He's not on Jacksonville anymore.

Sorry. Meant Thomas.

 

[AmosMoses]

What a terrible way to treat an employee. Make sure it's too close to the season for him to be meaningfully picked up for quite some time. Terrible.

Jags have paid him something like 30 million bucks over the course of his career. Get over yourself.

 

[mr roboto]

For what it's worth, Garrard's agent says he has already been contacted by 3 teams...

First one to correctly guess (we don't know now, and maybe never will) wins 10 internet points.

 

[Donnybrook]

I will guess the following teams:

San Francisco

Cincinnati

and Pittsburgh

 

[Fiddles]

I will guess the following teams:San FranciscoCincinnatiand Pittsburgh

Pit would be funny

 

[JaxBill]

Mike Walker as my 3rd wr.

He's not on Jacksonville anymore.

Sorry. Meant Thomas.

If it makes you feel any better, one of the things discussed on local radio this morning is that the club wants to throw the ball downfield more. Garrard's deep ball is not good and after one horrendously overthrown preseason interception, DG threw Thomas under the bus saying the WR should be there. Supposedly the club feels that McCown's deep ball is better and Garrard is more prone to check down.