David Hawthorne (1 Viewer)

[faux_bear]

While I couldn't tell you much about his talents, it's hard to ignore the numbers that David Hawthorne put up last season while subbing for the injured Lofa Tatupu.

93 tackles, 23 assists, 3 sacks, 3 interceptions

My question is, is this a kid that will be able to continue to contribute in the stat sheet now that Tatupu is back from injury? Can he be relied upon as a long-term investment in dynasty leagues? Were his numbers a product of talent or just opportunity? I admit I didn't watch any Seahawks games last year, so I don't know if he's someone that will be looked at to start for the next few years or if he's more of an injury-replacement who benefited from a lot of tackle opportunities.

I'm in a 16 team dynasty league with 40 man rosters and am trying to figure out how much money to spend on him, and for how many years to lock him up. Thank you to those who can offer up some input.

 

[JOBOOZOSO]

I recently put together a CD for a dopey radio contest, and I went back to my blogtalkradio archives.

One of the segments I selected was a Hawthorne summary in the game vs Dallas.

Nov 1 @ DAL L 17-38

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/goallinestand/page/1

then go to "Original Air Date: November 07, 2009"

Download, and go to the 21:02 mark.

It's brief, but it's archived eyewitness history.

Hope it helps some

 

[Jene Bramel]

While I couldn't tell you much about his talents, it's hard to ignore the numbers that David Hawthorne put up last season while subbing for the injured Lofa Tatupu. 93 tackles, 23 assists, 3 sacks, 3 interceptionsMy question is, is this a kid that will be able to continue to contribute in the stat sheet now that Tatupu is back from injury? Can he be relied upon as a long-term investment in dynasty leagues? Were his numbers a product of talent or just opportunity? I admit I didn't watch any Seahawks games last year, so I don't know if he's someone that will be looked at to start for the next few years or if he's more of an injury-replacement who benefited from a lot of tackle opportunities.I'm in a 16 team dynasty league with 40 man rosters and am trying to figure out how much money to spend on him, and for how many years to lock him up. Thank you to those who can offer up some input.

Hawthorne's numbers were a mix of talent (he was solid in run support and missed relatively few tackles) and opportunity (the team tackle opportunity was above average and he wasn't surrounded by much competition for tackles). Some of that opportunity will be lost with Tatupu back, Aaron Curry improving, the potential that a healthy Marcus Trufant and some improvement in the safety corps all cutting into Hawthorne's upside. With Curry no longer in line for the Elephant role, there's also a chance that Hawthorne sits in the nickel at times this year.Long term, I think Hawthorne is a solid dynasty investment. If the Seahawks don't elevate him to major role, they may elect to let him go in free agency and he's shown enough to think that he could get a bigger role elsewhere.For now, expect LB3/LB4 with upside numbers for 2010 and the potential that he could work his way into a LB2 role in the long term. There's still a LB4- floor here, though, until the scheme and Hawthorne's short and long term roles work themselves out, so he's not worth overpaying to get.We'll know a little more after the first week of camp. With luck, we'll get confirmation that he's playing an every-down WLB role and there's enough underfronts in the Seattle playbook to make him more valuable than the average 4-3 WLB.

 

[Warpig]

So is SEA expected to cut Leroy Hill? What's the story with him? I thought he was a solid WLB/LB3? Or have I been mistaken?

 

[jsharlan]

He got in alot of off the field issues and could possibly be suspended. I think Seattle is in the position where if they cut him now they save on a big roster bonus he was due to get.

 

[Warpig]

He got in alot of off the field issues and could possibly be suspended. I think Seattle is in the position where if they cut him now they save on a big roster bonus he was due to get.

Yeah. I read that SEA could save $$ if they cut Hill. I also read that Hill's meeting with Goodell was more of an "informative" type thing, not so much an @zz chewing. That is why Carroll invited Hill back to OTA's once he learned more info of the "incident". I think Hill is in more hot water from his previous incident where he was found passed out in his vehicle with a small amount of Mary Jane in his car. I know that Hawthorne put up impressive numbers in his limited time last year and if it were me, I'd probably roll with Hawthorne since he's shown he can get the job done. The dilemma is that Hill, when healthy and on his game, has been dominant as well. It is a nice situation to be in if you are SEA, however, since I took a flyer on Hill in a startup dynasty, all this uncertainty on Hill's future is frustrating me.

 

[jhexel]

Wasn't there some early talk (rumors/whispers) about the 'Hawks moving to more of a 3-4 base defense to keep all of their "playmaker" LBers on the field ( figuring they find a way to either keep Hill and/or not release him outright)?

Post rookie-draft and somewhat into the FA stage - have they done anything to tip their hand a bit to keep both Tatupu and Hawthorne in the middle with Hill and Curry on the outside?

 

[Jene Bramel]

Wasn't there some early talk (rumors/whispers) about the 'Hawks moving to more of a 3-4 base defense to keep all of their "playmaker" LBers on the field ( figuring they find a way to either keep Hill and/or not release him outright)?Post rookie-draft and somewhat into the FA stage - have they done anything to tip their hand a bit to keep both Tatupu and Hawthorne in the middle with Hill and Curry on the outside?

Pete Carroll's defense is going to muddle the 4-3 / 3-4 discussion even more than the 1-gap 3-4 front has. On many snaps, Carroll has his 4-3 WDE stand up (the "Elephant" pass rusher) and brings his SLB over the TE on the line of scrimmage. It looks very much like a 3-4 front, but it's technically not given that the other three defensive linemen are not aligned as 3-4 linemen. I'll detail that a little more if there's interest, but that might be a hijack for another thread. In short, even if there's four linebackers or four players standing up on a defensive down, there won't be two true ILBs like you'll see in either version of the 3-4.Since the draft, it would appear that Aaron Curry is out of the mix for that Elephant role. Chris Clemons will get the first shot to play there. That means one of the four linebackers won't be on the field on those base downs. As noted above, Leroy Hill's offseason issues have made it likely that he'll be the one sitting out. Minicamp reports suggest that Hawthorne was at WLB (with Curry presumably at SLB), but we got misleading information at this time last year when all indications were that Curry was to play SLB but was the WLB during the preseason games.

 

[jhexel]

Wasn't there some early talk (rumors/whispers) about the 'Hawks moving to more of a 3-4 base defense to keep all of their "playmaker" LBers on the field ( figuring they find a way to either keep Hill and/or not release him outright)?Post rookie-draft and somewhat into the FA stage - have they done anything to tip their hand a bit to keep both Tatupu and Hawthorne in the middle with Hill and Curry on the outside?

Pete Carroll's defense is going to muddle the 4-3 / 3-4 discussion even more than the 1-gap 3-4 front has. On many snaps, Carroll has his 4-3 WDE stand up (the "Elephant" pass rusher) and brings his SLB over the TE on the line of scrimmage. It looks very much like a 3-4 front, but it's technically not given that the other three defensive linemen are not aligned as 3-4 linemen. I'll detail that a little more if there's interest, but that might be a hijack for another thread. In short, even if there's four linebackers or four players standing up on a defensive down, there won't be two true ILBs like you'll see in either version of the 3-4.Since the draft, it would appear that Aaron Curry is out of the mix for that Elephant role. Chris Clemons will get the first shot to play there. That means one of the four linebackers won't be on the field on those base downs. As noted above, Leroy Hill's offseason issues have made it likely that he'll be the one sitting out. Minicamp reports suggest that Hawthorne was at WLB (with Curry presumably at SLB), but we got misleading information at this time last year when all indications were that Curry was to play SLB but was the WLB during the preseason games.

- thanks, Jene