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*****David Hogg Thread***** (2 Viewers)

gianmarco said:
This is a pretty disgusting thing to say.

The kid lived through a school shooting. 

Just listen to yourself.
You know what's funny? When I said something similar, but more benign, I was greeted with a similarly "How dare you?" response, only it was three times more hostile and obscene, and sent privately to me by another user. 

But we have a poster that seems to think this guy (kid) is relevant in a sort of Greta Thunberg way. Which leads me to IK's point about defending somebody by calling them a child when they clearly aren't a child, or by treating the child's temperament and demeanor with kid gloves (see what I did there?) when, like Thunberg, the child is precociously accusatory of groups of people. It's a trick used by activists to insulate themselves and their more radical arguments from any form of criticism. It's a sickening wind of a debate tactic, and I don't like it. 

I especially don't like when the guy that hammers the report button endlessly bumps his own useless threads to alert us to the useless musings of another activist thrust into the spotlight by those wanting to insulate argument from skepticism. This thread should die its own death, and another word about David Hogg probably best not spoken of on these boards. He's not a newsworthy fellow but for the fact that he was at a location during a horrible time and in a fortuitous place considering others in the proximity.

 
Just glad Cameron Kasky never tried to cash in on his public image like Hogg did.

https://www.thewrap.com/kasky-hogg-good-pillow/

“I spent so much time promising people this wasn’t going to turn into a cash grab,” Kasky tweeted while Good Pillow trended and Hogg called for his 1 million followers to sign up for pre-order notifications. “I am applying my clown makeup with the shame I deserve.”

“To those of you who marched, donated, lobbied, and called for change… I’m so sorry this is what it turned into. This is embarrassing,” he wrote, before adding that he isn’t “jealous” because he was actually offered shares of the company but turned them down.


Everybody has to make a living.  Activism pays very good if you get in the right situation. 

If Hogg can market his agenda to sell pillows or other products that is the American way, good for him.

 
Everybody has to make a living.  Activism pays very good if you get in the right situation. 

If Hogg can market his agenda to sell pillows or other products that is the American way, good for him.
It just seems like a huge grift to turn his notoriety from a tragic school shooting into a hyperpartisan sales gimmick.  In a now deleted tweet, Hogg was boasting about how he'd buy a Tesla Roadster because it goes 0-60 in 1.9 seconds with the money from their pillow company.  Sorry but it's loathesome conduct to me and I'm glad Kasky roasted him about it.  I think Hogg is an obnoxious hack, kid or not.  

 
It just seems like a huge grift to turn his notoriety from a tragic school shooting into a hyperpartisan sales gimmick.  In a now deleted tweet, Hogg was boasting about how he'd buy a Tesla Roadster because it goes 0-60 in 1.9 seconds with the money from their pillow company.  Sorry but it's loathesome conduct to me and I'm glad Kasky roasted him about it.  I think Hogg is an obnoxious hack, kid or not.  


It is loathsome, but he has a forum now. So if he can cash in on it he will. Look at the BLM leaders that are living high on the Hogg.

 
He's not a newsworthy fellow but for the fact that he was at a location during a horrible time and in a fortuitous place considering others in the proximity.
He’s become an activist, helping to organize protests. A lot of young people follow him, especially on Instagram and TikTok- perhaps millions at this point. Of course he’s newsworthy.  

 
It is loathsome, but he has a forum now. So if he can cash in on it he will. Look at the BLM leaders that are living high on the Hogg.
Ok, fair enough, but why dispute the point then lol 

I'm sure there was plenty of money in his brand of 'activism' without resorting to a crusade against the mypillow guy (and tying himself to trump degeneracy in the process)

 
Yay youth. 
I’m not saying he SHOULD be newsworthy- that’s a different topic. I’m only pointing out that he is. 
 

And, like other activists regarded as obnoxious from Abbie Hoffmann to Greta Thunberg, it’s really the issue itself that is the celebrity. Take away the issue, and nobody cares anymore about the activist. 

 
Ok, fair enough, but why dispute the point then lol 

I'm sure there was plenty of money in his brand of 'activism' without resorting to a crusade against the mypillow guy (and tying himself to trump degeneracy in the process)


Oh, I am not disputing it.  I agree with you.

 
Too bad it's wasted on the young.
Ignoring what’s important to young people is, eventually, going to hurt the Republican Party big time. Historically this hasn’t mattered so much, because young folks don’t vote and by the time they get old enough to do so, many of their views have become more conservative, so it evens out. 
But that was before the days of social media: TikTok and Instragram in particular. If young people become motivated in an organized effort to go to the polls (think gun control, abortion, racism, woke issues) they will swamp traditional voters. And it could happen. 

 
Ignoring what’s important to young people is, eventually, going to hurt the Republican Party big time. Historically this hasn’t mattered so much, because young folks don’t vote and by the time they get old enough to do so, many of their views have become more conservative, so it evens out. 
But that was before the days of social media: TikTok and Instragram in particular. If young people become motivated in an organized effort to go to the polls (think gun control, abortion, racism, woke issues) they will swamp traditional voters. And it could happen. 


Over emphasizing and absolutely doing EVERYTHING the young people want is going to hurt the Democrat Party.  :shrug:

Youth, for sure, is wasted on the young.

I got a message for you Tim:  No matter how hip you think you are, the young people don't want anything to do with you.  They're ignoring how you feel or what you care about.  It's not just confined to us old codgers.

 
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Over emphasizing and absolutely doing EVERYTHING the young people want is going to hurt the Democrat Party.  :shrug:

Youth, for sure, is wasted on the young.

I got a message for you Tim:  No matter how hip you think you are, the young people don't want anything to do with you.  They're ignoring how you feel or what you care about.  It's not just confined to us old codgers.
I’m not hip at all. And I especially hate their music. 

 
I’m not hip at all. And I especially hate their music. 


That's fine. They don't care what you think either, unless you give them the immediate gratification they want.  And even then, it's only to get that immediate gratification.  Otherwise, go to the old folks home and stay there.

 
Ignoring what’s important to young people is, eventually, going to hurt the Republican Party big time. Historically this hasn’t mattered so much, because young folks don’t vote and by the time they get old enough to do so, many of their views have become more conservative, so it evens out. 
But that was before the days of social media: TikTok and Instragram in particular. If young people become motivated in an organized effort to go to the polls (think gun control, abortion, racism, woke issues) they will swamp traditional voters. And it could happen. 
Yes.  THIS time young voters will sweep your party into power.  And if it isn't the youth, it will be all those Latino voters who are destined to support your party. 

Do you guys ever update your priors?  Like, literally ever?

 
Yes.  THIS time young voters will sweep your party into power.  And if it isn't the youth, it will be all those Latino voters who are destined to support your party. 

Do you guys ever update your priors?  Like, literally ever?
Turn On, Tune In, Drop Out vs. Vote Or Die. 

Which will win the hearts of the youth this time? I'll ante up for this one. 

They've been talking about the youth vote since McGovern. Hoo baby. That's why the schools have to indoctrinate harder so that the feeling lasts longer, I guess. 

Angela Davis statues. 

Hwarf! 

An-gie. An-nnnn-gie. 

 
David Hogg disrupted a House hearing on banning assault weapons.

https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/1549800897428996096 (video clip at link)

David Hogg @davidhogg111 · 2h

The guns in Parkland, Buffalo, El Paso, didn't come from Mexico. They came from the US, and the shooters were inspired by racist, anti-black, anti-immigrant manifestos that rhyme with GOP talking points.

 
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squistion said:
David Hogg disrupted a House hearing on banning assault weapons.

https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/1549800897428996096 (video clip at link)

David Hogg @davidhogg111 · 2h

The guns in Parkland, Buffalo, El Paso, didn't come from Mexico. They came from the US, and the shooters were inspired by racist, anti-black, anti-immigrant manifestos that rhyme with GOP talking points.
That Hog boy played the fool for the democrats 

 
How in the world does this kid rate 31 pages? 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hogg

David Miles Hogg (born April 12, 2000) is an American gun control activist. He rose to prominence during the 2018 United States gun violence protests as a student survivor of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, helping lead several high-profile protests, marches, and boycotts, including the boycott of The Ingraham Angle.[2][3][4][5] He has also been a target and scapegoat of several conspiracy theories.[6][7]

With his sister Lauren Hogg, he wrote #NeverAgain: A New Generation Draws the Line, a book that made The New York Times bestseller list.[8] They pledged to donate to charity all income from the book.[9] As of September 2019, Hogg is a student at Harvard University.[10][11]

Hogg was included in Time magazine's 100 Most Influential People of 2018.[12]

 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hogg

David Miles Hogg (born April 12, 2000) is an American gun control activist. He rose to prominence during the 2018 United States gun violence protests as a student survivor of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, helping lead several high-profile protests, marches, and boycotts, including the boycott of The Ingraham Angle.[2][3][4][5] He has also been a target and scapegoat of several conspiracy theories.[6][7]

With his sister Lauren Hogg, he wrote #NeverAgain: A New Generation Draws the Line, a book that made The New York Times bestseller list.[8] They pledged to donate to charity all income from the book.[9] As of September 2019, Hogg is a student at Harvard University.[10][11]

Hogg was included in Time magazine's 100 Most Influential People of 2018.[12]


Agreed - he's good for about a couple paragraphs.

 
Agreed - he's good for about a couple paragraphs.


That was just the introductory paragraphs. There was a lot more and I didn't want to do a Gordon Gekko but since you are apparently uniformed, here is some additional information (more at link)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hogg

Gun control advocacy

Protests

After the school shooting, Hogg emerged as a leader in the 2018 United States gun violence protests.[34] Along with Alfonso Calderon, Sarah Chadwick, X González, Cameron Kasky and other students, he turned to the media to talk about their role as survivors in the shooting and voice his opinion on gun control and gun violence.[35] He called on elected officials to pass gun control measures[36] and has been a vocal critic of officials who take donations from the NRA, and he has been urging them to compromise on legislation to save lives.[37]

Hogg joined the social media movement and student-led gun control advocacy group Never Again MSD shortly after its formation.[38] Hogg flew to Los Angeles on February 21, 2018, to be on The Dr. Phil Show, along with his sister, to discuss the shooting. There, they met with survivors of the Columbine High School massacre.[39][40][41] Hogg, along with González, blamed the National Rifle Association and the politicians to which they donate as being complicit in school shootings.[42] He declined to go to the White House on February 21 to meet with President Donald Trump, saying that he had to be in Tallahassee, and that Trump could come to Parkland if he wanted to talk.[43] 

[...]

Activism

Hogg criticized the media coverage of the Parkland shooting as well as its aftermath in that black students were not given a voice by the media; he said that his school was 25% black but "the way we're covered doesn't reflect that".[53]

n April 2018, Hogg initiated an effort to urge Speaker of the House Paul Ryan to bring a bill to the House of Representatives that required mandatory background checks for gun buyers; on Twitter, Hogg urged people to contact speaker Ryan and demand a vote on universal background checks.[54]

Hogg worked to develop an anti-NRA advocacy group to encourage young people to register and vote in the 2018 midterm elections and elect candidates who promise better gun control legislation.[55]

In May 2018, Hogg and other Never Again MSD students led a "die-in" protest at a Publix supermarket, with a mass of students lying down on the store's floor, as a rebuke of the supermarket's financial support of pro-NRA gubernatorial candidate Adam Putnam; the supermarket had contributed more than $670,000 to Putnam's campaign over three years. In addition, Hogg called on people to boycott Publix until the chain's support of Putnam stopped. As a result of the protest, Publix made a statement suspending support for Putnam.[56]

In August 2018, Hogg announced he was planning on running to become a member of the United States House of Representatives when he turns 25 years old (due to age of candidacy laws).[57]

On February 10, 2021, March For Our Lives announced that Hogg would take a leave of absence "to take some time for himself to reflect and recommit to the mission."[58]

On July 20, 2022, Hogg interrupted a House Judiciary Committee hearing to mark up the 2021 Assault Weapons Ban and the Equal Access for Victims of Gun Violence Act. During Republican member Andy Biggs' time, Biggs said that Americans should be armed should an invasion of the southern border happen. Hogg then shouted: "The shooter at my high school: antisemitic, anti-black and racist. The shooter in El Paso described it as an invasion", in reference to the 2019 El Paso shooting. He added, as he was escorted out of the hearing room: "Those guns are coming from the United States of America. They aren’t coming from Mexico. You are reiterating the points of a mass shooter sir".[59]

Boycotts

See also: Boycott of The Ingraham Angle and Fox News controversies

Hogg called for students to boycott spring break in Florida and instead travel to Puerto Rico if gun control legislation was not passed by the Florida state government.[60][61] Having finished high school in May 2018, Hogg took a gap year to campaign for politicians in favor of gun reform in the midterm elections.[62]

Hogg initiated a boycott of companies who advertise during The Ingraham Angle. Hogg called for the boycott after television host Laura Ingraham attacked him in a tweet about his lack of college acceptances, which Hogg characterized as cyberbullying. In response to the boycott, 24 advertisers left the show.[63][64][65] Following the loss of advertisers, Ingraham apologized.[66] Hogg dismissed the apology as insincere.[67][68] The boycott drew mixed reactions. Ingraham was supported by Ted Nugent, Bill Maher,[69][70] and by Russian bots on Twitter.[71][72] Fox News continued to support Ingraham.[73] Public polling showed that public perception of Fox News declined more than that of any advertiser.[74] Simultaneously, Ingraham's viewership increased in the weeks following the boycott. Before, her viewership averaged 2.5 million. It jumped to 3 million when she returned after the boycott.[75]

[...]

 
Reuters
@Reuters · 1h

Florida jury recommends life in prison for Nikolas Cruz, who killed 17 people in a Parkland school shooting

11-1 . One holdout .
smh
 
Reuters
@Reuters · 1h

Florida jury recommends life in prison for Nikolas Cruz, who killed 17 people in a Parkland school shooting

Probably cheaper for the state in the long run. Also, possibly more psychologically torturing than death by lethal injection.
 
Reuters
@Reuters · 1h

Florida jury recommends life in prison for Nikolas Cruz, who killed 17 people in a Parkland school shooting

Probably cheaper for the state in the long run. Also, possibly more psychologically torturing than death by lethal injection.

Probably cheaper for the state in the long run.

Definitely cheaper because a death sentence is automatically appealed all the way to SCOTUS.
 

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