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[RBM]

And Bryce Brown is an elite talent, just raw..

Dear lord. Adrian Peterson is an elite talent. Bryce freakin Brown is like 5 levels below AP.

169 and 178 with two TDs in each game for his first two starts. Elite is on the table

Not its really not. Not even close.

Why isn't he a elite talent? He was better than David Wilson and earned his carries behind McCoy. His only issue is fumbles, just like AP early in his career.

Being better than Wilson doesn't make him elite. And nobody knows if he's better than Wilson; neither have done a thing yet. I'd love to hear how many rbs are elite talents. Like is it just AP and Bryce Brown? Or are there like 20-25 elite talents in the league right now?

Wilson is better than Barry Sanders. Where have you been?

C'mon, lets start the elite list.

1 AP

2 Bryce Brown

.....

 

[Concept Coop]

C'mon, lets start the elite list.1 AP

2 Bryce Brown

.....

Can you give me a list of a few guys you think have elite talent, but have yet to produce?

Or is removing AP context not at option? It's a lot easier to condescend with it; I understand.

 

[Khy]

C'mon, lets start the elite list.1 AP

2 Bryce Brown

.....

Can you give me a list of a few guys you think have elite talent, but have yet to produce?

Or is removing AP context not at option? It's a lot easier to condescend with it; I understand.

No, because saying "elite talent" means they've produced at least in my eyes. I think that list would be a list of people with "Elite Potential". So we're talking about guys like... David Wilson, Tavon Austin, Corderelle Patterson, Robert Woods, Marcus Lattimore. That list could go on I'm sure... I also don't consider a lot of people to be on this list like others might. Like I don't count guys like Lamar Miller or Bryce Brown or TY Hilton as having "elite potential".

 

[Leonidas]

Wilson is better than Barry Sanders. Where have you been?

When you have to lie to make your point...you're doing it wrong.

 

[Concept Coop]

No, because saying "elite talent" means they've produced at least in my eyes. I think that list would be a list of people with "Elite Potential". So we're talking about guys like... David Wilson, Tavon Austin, Corderelle Patterson, Robert Woods, Marcus Lattimore. That list could go on I'm sure... I also don't consider a lot of people to be on this list like others might. Like I don't count guys like Lamar Miller or Bryce Brown or TY Hilton as having "elite potential".

I think the term simply means different things to each of us, then. Adrian Peterson had elite talent before he played a snap in the NFL. Charles Rodgers had elite talent, but didn't have the head to stick in the league.

No point in debating it, then, if we don't agree on the meaning of the term. It's all subjective.

 

[ShaHBucks]

And Bryce Brown is an elite talent, just raw..

Dear lord. Adrian Peterson is an elite talent. Bryce freakin Brown is like 5 levels below AP.

169 and 178 with two TDs in each game for his first two starts. Elite is on the table

Not its really not. Not even close.

Why isn't he a elite talent? He was better than David Wilson and earned his carries behind McCoy. His only issue is fumbles, just like AP early in his career.

Being better than Wilson doesn't make him elite. And nobody knows if he's better than Wilson; neither have done a thing yet. I'd love to hear how many rbs are elite talents. Like is it just AP and Bryce Brown? Or are there like 20-25 elite talents in the league right now?

Wilson is better than Barry Sanders. Where have you been?

C'mon, lets start the elite list.1 AP

2 Bryce Brown

.....

Funny... Put it this way. If I could build a RB he would have Brown's physical ability, which are nearly identical to AP, and run like Brown did last season(without the fumbles). I can't give him 350 carries a season. The same could be said for guys like Ben Tate.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN New York considers David Wilson the Giants' starting running back, but believes he could share carries with Andre Brown, with the "hot hand getting the majority of the carries in any given game."
Beat writer Ohm Youngmisuk also expects Brown to keep his grip on goal-line duties. Wilson hasn't made a whole heck of a lot of noise in camp thus far, but it doesn't mean anything. We're going to keep a close eye on the Giants' touch delineation in the preseason.

Related: Andre Brown

Source: ESPN New York

 

[RBM]

No, because saying "elite talent" means they've produced at least in my eyes. I think that list would be a list of people with "Elite Potential". So we're talking about guys like... David Wilson, Tavon Austin, Corderelle Patterson, Robert Woods, Marcus Lattimore. That list could go on I'm sure... I also don't consider a lot of people to be on this list like others might. Like I don't count guys like Lamar Miller or Bryce Brown or TY Hilton as having "elite potential".

I think the term simply means different things to each of us, then. Adrian Peterson had elite talent before he played a snap in the NFL. Charles Rodgers had elite talent, but didn't have the head to stick in the league.

No point in debating it, then, if we don't agree on the meaning of the term. It's all subjective.

Cut it out man....Bryce Brown is not an elite talent.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

No, because saying "elite talent" means they've produced at least in my eyes. I think that list would be a list of people with "Elite Potential". So we're talking about guys like... David Wilson, Tavon Austin, Corderelle Patterson, Robert Woods, Marcus Lattimore. That list could go on I'm sure... I also don't consider a lot of people to be on this list like others might. Like I don't count guys like Lamar Miller or Bryce Brown or TY Hilton as having "elite potential".

I think the term simply means different things to each of us, then. Adrian Peterson had elite talent before he played a snap in the NFL. Charles Rodgers had elite talent, but didn't have the head to stick in the league.

No point in debating it, then, if we don't agree on the meaning of the term. It's all subjective.

Cut it out man....Bryce Brown is not an elite talent.

He rushed for almost 400 yards and 4 TD's, in two games, in his first NFL action after barely playing in a football game since high school. I think it's safe to say that he has elite talent IF he can harness it. Tons of talented guys don't.

 

[RBM]

Bryce freaking Brown....this is what the shark pool has turned into. Jesus.

Need to have my head examined for still entertaining this.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Bryce freaking Brown....this is what the shark pool has turned into. Jesus.

Need to have my head examined for still entertaining this.

Or you could actually make an argument.

 

[RBM]

Bryce freaking Brown....this is what the shark pool has turned into. Jesus.

Need to have my head examined for still entertaining this.

Or you could actually make an argument.

You mean the one I made up above? Adrian Peterson is elite. Bryce Brown is not even remotely close to that level.

Repeat that like 100 times until it sinks in.

 

[Leonidas]

So we get that Adrian Peterson is elite.

Who else?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Bryce freaking Brown....this is what the shark pool has turned into. Jesus.

Need to have my head examined for still entertaining this.

Or you could actually make an argument.

You mean the one I made up above? Adrian Peterson is elite. Bryce Brown is not even remotely close to that level. Repeat that like 100 times until it sinks in.

If Adrian Peterson is your definition of an elite RB, then there are no other elite RB's in the NFL right now. That's pretty constricting, so I'd rather put AP in another, higher HOF-level category and continue the discussion as if I'm NOT actually comparing every talented RB with potential to one of, if not THE, best RB's of the modern era.It's more constructive.

 

[RBM]

So we get that Adrian Peterson is elite.

Who else?

We really shouldn't be doing this in the very productive and mesmerizing David Wilson discussion thread, but that's a discussion worth having.

For the record, imo there is no other on Petersons level. In terms of pure talent, maybe Id go Trent at number 2, maybe.

 

[RBM]

Bryce freaking Brown....this is what the shark pool has turned into. Jesus.

Need to have my head examined for still entertaining this.

Or you could actually make an argument.

You mean the one I made up above? Adrian Peterson is elite. Bryce Brown is not even remotely close to that level. Repeat that like 100 times until it sinks in.

If Adrian Peterson is your definition of an elite RB, then there are no other elite RB's in the NFL right now. That's pretty constricting, so I'd rather put AP in another, higher HOF-level category and continue the discussion as if I'm NOT actually comparing every talented RB with potential to one of, if not THE, best RB's of the modern era.It's more constructive.

Do you know what elite means?

 

[DropKick]

No, because saying "elite talent" means they've produced at least in my eyes. I think that list would be a list of people with "Elite Potential". So we're talking about guys like... David Wilson, Tavon Austin, Corderelle Patterson, Robert Woods, Marcus Lattimore. That list could go on I'm sure... I also don't consider a lot of people to be on this list like others might. Like I don't count guys like Lamar Miller or Bryce Brown or TY Hilton as having "elite potential".

I think the term simply means different things to each of us, then. Adrian Peterson had elite talent before he played a snap in the NFL. Charles Rodgers had elite talent, but didn't have the head to stick in the league.

No point in debating it, then, if we don't agree on the meaning of the term. It's all subjective.

Cut it out man....Bryce Brown is not an elite talent.

He rushed for almost 400 yards and 4 TD's, in two games, in his first NFL action after barely playing in a football game since high school. I think it's safe to say that he has elite talent IF he can harness it. Tons of talented guys don't.

100+ of those yards on two carries. And maybe Carolina/Dallas were a little weak against the run? Went on to rush for 6, 34, 18 and 18 yards after that... Bryce Brown may turn out to be a productive back but it isn't "safe to say" that he is elite based on a two game sample.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Bryce freaking Brown....this is what the shark pool has turned into. Jesus.

Need to have my head examined for still entertaining this.

Or you could actually make an argument.

You mean the one I made up above? Adrian Peterson is elite. Bryce Brown is not even remotely close to that level. Repeat that like 100 times until it sinks in.

If Adrian Peterson is your definition of an elite RB, then there are no other elite RB's in the NFL right now. That's pretty constricting, so I'd rather put AP in another, higher HOF-level category and continue the discussion as if I'm NOT actually comparing every talented RB with potential to one of, if not THE, best RB's of the modern era.It's more constructive.

Do you know what elite means?

What I know is that AP transcends whatever we generally think "elite" means, so I'd rather place the ridiculously good outlier into an "out of reach" tier and then continue discussing "elite" status as if it's actually attainable for other clearly talented players.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

No, because saying "elite talent" means they've produced at least in my eyes. I think that list would be a list of people with "Elite Potential". So we're talking about guys like... David Wilson, Tavon Austin, Corderelle Patterson, Robert Woods, Marcus Lattimore. That list could go on I'm sure... I also don't consider a lot of people to be on this list like others might. Like I don't count guys like Lamar Miller or Bryce Brown or TY Hilton as having "elite potential".

I think the term simply means different things to each of us, then. Adrian Peterson had elite talent before he played a snap in the NFL. Charles Rodgers had elite talent, but didn't have the head to stick in the league.

No point in debating it, then, if we don't agree on the meaning of the term. It's all subjective.

Cut it out man....Bryce Brown is not an elite talent.

He rushed for almost 400 yards and 4 TD's, in two games, in his first NFL action after barely playing in a football game since high school. I think it's safe to say that he has elite talent IF he can harness it. Tons of talented guys don't.

100+ of those yards on two carries. And maybe Carolina/Dallas were a little weak against the run? Went on to rush for 6, 34, 18 and 18 yards after that... Bryce Brown may turn out to be a productive back but it isn't "safe to say" that he is elite based on a two game sample.

Elite talent. Not an elite producer as of yet. There's a difference. We can use the words elite potential over elite talent, if it makes the distinction easier.

 

[RBM]

Bryce freaking Brown....this is what the shark pool has turned into. Jesus.

Need to have my head examined for still entertaining this.

Or you could actually make an argument.

You mean the one I made up above? Adrian Peterson is elite. Bryce Brown is not even remotely close to that level. Repeat that like 100 times until it sinks in.

If Adrian Peterson is your definition of an elite RB, then there are no other elite RB's in the NFL right now. That's pretty constricting, so I'd rather put AP in another, higher HOF-level category and continue the discussion as if I'm NOT actually comparing every talented RB with potential to one of, if not THE, best RB's of the modern era.It's more constructive.

Do you know what elite means?

What I know is that AP transcends whatever we generally think "elite" means, so I'd rather place the ridiculously good outlier into an "out of reach" tier and then continue discussing "elite" status as if it's actually attainable for other clearly talented players.

Why?

And anyway, whatever you want to call AP, Brown isn't in the next level. He's like 4 levels down.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Can use guys take this pointless debate on the semantics of what elite talent is to another thread, or better yet, start a thread on it.

 

[DropKick]

No, because saying "elite talent" means they've produced at least in my eyes. I think that list would be a list of people with "Elite Potential". So we're talking about guys like... David Wilson, Tavon Austin, Corderelle Patterson, Robert Woods, Marcus Lattimore. That list could go on I'm sure... I also don't consider a lot of people to be on this list like others might. Like I don't count guys like Lamar Miller or Bryce Brown or TY Hilton as having "elite potential".

I think the term simply means different things to each of us, then. Adrian Peterson had elite talent before he played a snap in the NFL. Charles Rodgers had elite talent, but didn't have the head to stick in the league.

No point in debating it, then, if we don't agree on the meaning of the term. It's all subjective.

Cut it out man....Bryce Brown is not an elite talent.

He rushed for almost 400 yards and 4 TD's, in two games, in his first NFL action after barely playing in a football game since high school. I think it's safe to say that he has elite talent IF he can harness it. Tons of talented guys don't.

100+ of those yards on two carries. And maybe Carolina/Dallas were a little weak against the run? Went on to rush for 6, 34, 18 and 18 yards after that... Bryce Brown may turn out to be a productive back but it isn't "safe to say" that he is elite based on a two game sample.

Elite talent. Not an elite producer as of yet. There's a difference. We can use the words elite potential over elite talent, if it makes the distinction easier.

Since "elite" is defined as being a superior member of a group, it is safe to say Brown is not elite within the class of NFL running backs. Could he be? Anything is possible but to place him as a superior talent when compared to other NFL backs is unfounded.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Bryce freaking Brown....this is what the shark pool has turned into. Jesus.

Need to have my head examined for still entertaining this.

Or you could actually make an argument.

You mean the one I made up above? Adrian Peterson is elite. Bryce Brown is not even remotely close to that level. Repeat that like 100 times until it sinks in.

If Adrian Peterson is your definition of an elite RB, then there are no other elite RB's in the NFL right now. That's pretty constricting, so I'd rather put AP in another, higher HOF-level category and continue the discussion as if I'm NOT actually comparing every talented RB with potential to one of, if not THE, best RB's of the modern era.It's more constructive.

Do you know what elite means?

What I know is that AP transcends whatever we generally think "elite" means, so I'd rather place the ridiculously good outlier into an "out of reach" tier and then continue discussing "elite" status as if it's actually attainable for other clearly talented players.

Why?

And anyway, whatever you want to call AP, Brown isn't in the next level. He's like 4 levels down.

Strong analysis here.

I consider Frank Gore elite. You don't think Bryce Brown can be Gore?

There's my point. Gore isn't AP. He isn't on that level. But he's elite.

 

[msudaisy26]

And Bryce Brown is an elite talent, just raw..

Dear lord. Adrian Peterson is an elite talent. Bryce freakin Brown is like 5 levels below AP.

169 and 178 with two TDs in each game for his first two starts. Elite is on the table

Not its really not. Not even close.

Why isn't he a elite talent? He was better than David Wilson and earned his carries behind McCoy. His only issue is fumbles, just like AP early in his career.

Being better than Wilson doesn't make him elite. And nobody knows if he's better than Wilson; neither have done a thing yet. I'd love to hear how many rbs are elite talents. Like is it just AP and Bryce Brown? Or are there like 20-25 elite talents in the league right now?

Wilson is better than Barry Sanders. Where have you been?

C'mon, lets start the elite list.1 AP

2 Bryce Brown

.....

Funny... Put it this way. If I could build a RB he would have Brown's physical ability, which are nearly identical to AP, and run like Brown did last season(without the fumbles). I can't give him 350 carries a season. The same could be said for guys like Ben Tate.

And while making this running back very few if anyone would have built Barry Sanders, L.T. Or Marshall Faulk but it turned out ok for those guys.

 

[ICON211]

Bryce freaking Brown....this is what the shark pool has turned into. Jesus.

Need to have my head examined for still entertaining this.

Or you could actually make an argument.

You mean the one I made up above? Adrian Peterson is elite. Bryce Brown is not even remotely close to that level.Repeat that like 100 times until it sinks in.

If Adrian Peterson is your definition of an elite RB, then there are no other elite RB's in the NFL right now. That's pretty constricting, so I'd rather put AP in another, higher HOF-level category and continue the discussion as if I'm NOT actually comparing every talented RB with potential to one of, if not THE, best RB's of the modern era.It's more constructive.

Do you know what elite means?

What I know is that AP transcends whatever we generally think "elite" means, so I'd rather place the ridiculously good outlier into an "out of reach" tier and then continue discussing "elite" status as if it's actually attainable for other clearly talented players.

Why?

And anyway, whatever you want to call AP, Brown isn't in the next level. He's like 4 levels down.

Strong analysis here.

I consider Frank Gore elite. You don't think Bryce Brown can be Gore?

There's my point. Gore isn't AP. He isn't on that level. But he's elite.

Obviously this is subjective, but if you consider Gore elite or an elite talent you must think there are 15-20 elite backs or elite talents in the NFL. Kind of cheapens the term and is contrary to its intended meaning. A lot of backs can be Frank Gore which means he is not elite. Neither is Bryce Brown for that matter.

 

[ShaHBucks]

So we get that Adrian Peterson is elite.

Who else?

We really shouldn't be doing this in the very productive and mesmerizing David Wilson discussion thread, but that's a discussion worth having.

For the record, imo there is no other on Petersons level. In terms of pure talent, maybe Id go Trent at number 2, maybe.

No way you go through all of that just to say a 2nd year player TRich is #2 lol. I'm pretty sure Bryce Brown could have filled his cleats last season.

 

[TheFanatic]

Even I can't deal with this thread anymore... Ugh... Maybe we can get back on track in the preseason...

 

[Kenny Powers]

Even I can't deal with this thread anymore... Ugh... Maybe we can get back on track in the preseason...

 

[RushHour]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

 

[LususV]

Went 2.05 in my dynasty startup (14 team). One spot ahead of Aaron Rodgers.

Miller went late 2nd. Rest of RB2s (DMC, Murray) went early 3rd.

 

[Grahamburn]

Even I can't deal with this thread anymore... Ugh... Maybe we can get back on track in the preseason...

Yep. Out until we have something to go on.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

I don't know about exact percentages but even David Wilson know there will be some type of split. There are quotes in this thread from him.

 

[Clifford]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

The Giants listed both David Wilson and Andre Brown as starting running backs on their first unofficial depth chart Thursday.
We wouldn't have expected anything different from coach Tom Coughlin. Wilson is tentatively expected to win the starting job, but there's a real possibility Brown will handle much of the short-yardage and goal-line work. How the Giants distribute carries in the preseason will give us a much better feel for the situation. The Giants also listed Wilson as the first-team kick returner.

 

[RBM]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

Man I don't get this confidence. I'm a Wilson owner, think he's extremely explosive, and has a ton of potential; but everything I see and hear points to a close to even split

 

[steveski]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

Man I don't get this confidence. I'm a Wilson owner, think he's extremely explosive, and has a ton of potential; but everything I see and hear points to a close to even split

If the Giants brought in another veteran at RB or drafted one then maybe I'd agree. However, they didn't. That shows that Coughlin trusts Wilson. I think everyone's in agreement that there's no way Brown could carry the load for an entire season, so if there was no trust in Wilson, he'd have to have another guy there. Brown will be used to backup Wilson and maybe get some goal line carries. I don't see any reason for anything else unless Wilson has any issues with missing blocks or fumbling during the season.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

Man I don't get this confidence. I'm a Wilson owner, think he's extremely explosive, and has a ton of potential; but everything I see and hear points to a close to even split

If the Giants brought in another veteran at RB or drafted one then maybe I'd agree. However, they didn't. That shows that Coughlin trusts Wilson. I think everyone's in agreement that there's no way Brown could carry the load for an entire season, so if there was no trust in Wilson, he'd have to have another guy there. Brown will be used to backup Wilson and maybe get some goal line carries. I don't see any reason for anything else unless Wilson has any issues with missing blocks or fumbling during the season.

They did draft a RB and they did resign a veteran rb.

 

[steveski]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

Man I don't get this confidence. I'm a Wilson owner, think he's extremely explosive, and has a ton of potential; but everything I see and hear points to a close to even split

If the Giants brought in another veteran at RB or drafted one then maybe I'd agree. However, they didn't. That shows that Coughlin trusts Wilson. I think everyone's in agreement that there's no way Brown could carry the load for an entire season, so if there was no trust in Wilson, he'd have to have another guy there. Brown will be used to backup Wilson and maybe get some goal line carries. I don't see any reason for anything else unless Wilson has any issues with missing blocks or fumbling during the season.

They did draft a RB and they did resign a veteran rb.

When I meant veteran, I didn't mean a guy that has been bumped around the league for 5 years and never started. When I meant draft a rookie, I meant someone with an early pick that had potential to step in right away and compete, not somebody on the roster bubble.

 

[JayJay328]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

The Giants listed both David Wilson and Andre Brown as starting running backs on their first unofficial depth chart Thursday.
We wouldn't have expected anything different from coach Tom Coughlin. Wilson is tentatively expected to win the starting job, but there's a real possibility Brown will handle much of the short-yardage and goal-line work. How the Giants distribute carries in the preseason will give us a much better feel for the situation. The Giants also listed Wilson as the first-team kick returner.

How many RBs in the NFL are the primary kick returner AND receive more than 50% of the touches out of the backfield?

 

[Khy]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

The Giants listed both David Wilson and Andre Brown as starting running backs on their first unofficial depth chart Thursday.
We wouldn't have expected anything different from coach Tom Coughlin. Wilson is tentatively expected to win the starting job, but there's a real possibility Brown will handle much of the short-yardage and goal-line work. How the Giants distribute carries in the preseason will give us a much better feel for the situation. The Giants also listed Wilson as the first-team kick returner.

How many RBs in the NFL are the primary kick returner AND receive more than 50% of the touches out of the backfield?

Realize the Giants have told Wilson he won't be the kick returner. The news we're getting is that Wilson is trying to talk the coaches into letting him do both and that he can handle the load.

 

[Clifford]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

The Giants listed both David Wilson and Andre Brown as starting running backs on their first unofficial depth chart Thursday.

We wouldn't have expected anything different from coach Tom Coughlin. Wilson is tentatively expected to win the starting job, but there's a real possibility Brown will handle much of the short-yardage and goal-line work. How the Giants distribute carries in the preseason will give us a much better feel for the situation. The Giants also listed Wilson as the first-team kick returner.

How many RBs in the NFL are the primary kick returner AND receive more than 50% of the touches out of the backfield?

Guessing zero?

 

[JohnnyU]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

The Giants listed both David Wilson and Andre Brown as starting running backs on their first unofficial depth chart Thursday.
We wouldn't have expected anything different from coach Tom Coughlin. Wilson is tentatively expected to win the starting job, but there's a real possibility Brown will handle much of the short-yardage and goal-line work. How the Giants distribute carries in the preseason will give us a much better feel for the situation. The Giants also listed Wilson as the first-team kick returner.

How many RBs in the NFL are the primary kick returner AND receive more than 50% of the touches out of the backfield?

Gayle Sayers, Joe Washington, Floyd Little

 

[JayJay328]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

The Giants listed both David Wilson and Andre Brown as starting running backs on their first unofficial depth chart Thursday.

We wouldn't have expected anything different from coach Tom Coughlin. Wilson is tentatively expected to win the starting job, but there's a real possibility Brown will handle much of the short-yardage and goal-line work. How the Giants distribute carries in the preseason will give us a much better feel for the situation. The Giants also listed Wilson as the first-team kick returner.

How many RBs in the NFL are the primary kick returner AND receive more than 50% of the touches out of the backfield?

Guessing zero?

Exactly, and while they can obviously replace him in that role until they do I wouldn't expect him to get a lions share of the RB touches.

 

[JayJay328]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

The Giants listed both David Wilson and Andre Brown as starting running backs on their first unofficial depth chart Thursday.
We wouldn't have expected anything different from coach Tom Coughlin. Wilson is tentatively expected to win the starting job, but there's a real possibility Brown will handle much of the short-yardage and goal-line work. How the Giants distribute carries in the preseason will give us a much better feel for the situation. The Giants also listed Wilson as the first-team kick returner.

How many RBs in the NFL are the primary kick returner AND receive more than 50% of the touches out of the backfield?

Gayle Sayers, Joe Washington, Floyd Little

 

[Concept Coop]

Realize the Giants have told Wilson he won't be the kick returner. The news we're getting is that Wilson is trying to talk the coaches into letting him do both and that he can handle the load.

Link?

 

[Yenrub]

Realize the Giants have told Wilson he won't be the kick returner. The news we're getting is that Wilson is trying to talk the coaches into letting him do both and that he can handle the load.

Link?

Don't hold your breath waiting on that link!

[SIZE=11pt]Because the Giants have not told Wilson that he won’t be returning kicks. It doesn’t mean that they won’t tell him that but right now he is working on both punt returns and kick returns[/SIZE]

+ Among those returning kicks/punts: David Wilson, Victor Cruz, Aaron Ross, Rueben Randle and Jerrel Jernigan.

The above from day 1 camp observations

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/07/giants_training_camp_notes_observations_from_day_1.html

Jerrel Jernigan had a few memorable jukes during punt return drills and stood out among the others vying for the position today. That list included David Wilson, Randle and Victor Cruz.

The above from day 3 camp observations

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/07/giants_training_camp_notes_observations_from_day_3.html

David Wilson was in rare form today, constantly taunting and teasing the Giants defense during 11-on-11 drills. There are times when he looks, hands down, like the fastest player on the field.

Maybe it was the good news he got about still being in consideration for kickoff returns.

The above from day 5 camp observations

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/08/giants_training_camp_notes_observations_from_day_5.html

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Realize the Giants have told Wilson he won't be the kick returner. The news we're getting is that Wilson is trying to talk the coaches into letting him do both and that he can handle the load.

Link?

Don't hold your breath waiting on that link!

[SIZE=11pt]Because the Giants have not told Wilson that he won’t be returning kicks. It doesn’t mean that they won’t tell him that but right now he is working on both punt returns and kick returns[/SIZE]

+ Among those returning kicks/punts: David Wilson, Victor Cruz, Aaron Ross, Rueben Randle and Jerrel Jernigan.

The above from day 1 camp observations

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/07/giants_training_camp_notes_observations_from_day_1.html

Jerrel Jernigan had a few memorable jukes during punt return drills and stood out among the others vying for the position today. That list included David Wilson, Randle and Victor Cruz.

The above from day 3 camp observations

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/07/giants_training_camp_notes_observations_from_day_3.html

David Wilson was in rare form today, constantly taunting and teasing the Giants defense during 11-on-11 drills. There are times when he looks, hands down, like the fastest player on the field.

Maybe it was the good news he got about still being in consideration for kickoff returns.

The above from day 5 camp observations

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/08/giants_training_camp_notes_observations_from_day_5.html

Good to know that we should downgrade Victor Cruz too.

 

[RBM]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

Man I don't get this confidence. I'm a Wilson owner, think he's extremely explosive, and has a ton of potential; but everything I see and hear points to a close to even split

If the Giants brought in another veteran at RB or drafted one then maybe I'd agree. However, they didn't. That shows that Coughlin trusts Wilson. I think everyone's in agreement that there's no way Brown could carry the load for an entire season, so if there was no trust in Wilson, he'd have to have another guy there. Brown will be used to backup Wilson and maybe get some goal line carries. I don't see any reason for anything else unless Wilson has any issues with missing blocks or fumbling during the season.

Nothing you said here makes me more confident. To me not adding another vet leads me to believe they trust Brown as much as they trust Wilson.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

Man I don't get this confidence. I'm a Wilson owner, think he's extremely explosive, and has a ton of potential; but everything I see and hear points to a close to even split

If the Giants brought in another veteran at RB or drafted one then maybe I'd agree. However, they didn't. That shows that Coughlin trusts Wilson. I think everyone's in agreement that there's no way Brown could carry the load for an entire season, so if there was no trust in Wilson, he'd have to have another guy there. Brown will be used to backup Wilson and maybe get some goal line carries. I don't see any reason for anything else unless Wilson has any issues with missing blocks or fumbling during the season.

Nothing you said here makes me more confident. To me not adding another vet leads me to believe they trust Brown as much as they trust Wilson.

Brown has been injury prone for years. Wilson has not. Wilson was a 1st rd pick. Brown was not. I don't see how anyone can logically say that they trust Brown as much as they trust Wilson.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

Man I don't get this confidence. I'm a Wilson owner, think he's extremely explosive, and has a ton of potential; but everything I see and hear points to a close to even split

If the Giants brought in another veteran at RB or drafted one then maybe I'd agree. However, they didn't. That shows that Coughlin trusts Wilson. I think everyone's in agreement that there's no way Brown could carry the load for an entire season, so if there was no trust in Wilson, he'd have to have another guy there. Brown will be used to backup Wilson and maybe get some goal line carries. I don't see any reason for anything else unless Wilson has any issues with missing blocks or fumbling during the season.

Nothing you said here makes me more confident. To me not adding another vet leads me to believe they trust Brown as much as they trust Wilson.

Brown has been injury prone for years. Wilson has not. Wilson was a 1st rd pick. Brown was not. I don't see how anyone can logically say that they trust Brown as much as they trust Wilson.

We will see if it's that simple to Caughlin or not.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I still haven't heard a good reason for why anyone would think this would be a 50/50 split in carreis between Wilson and Brown, other than meaningless speculation from media outlets. Andre Brown is probably the most overrated player in redraft right now. Where he's being drafted is silly for a backup RB and I expect to see him pop up on a lot of waiver wires a couple of weeks into the season when it becomes apparent that Wilson is the guy.

Anyway, this thread has well and truly jumped the shark so whatever.

Man I don't get this confidence. I'm a Wilson owner, think he's extremely explosive, and has a ton of potential; but everything I see and hear points to a close to even split

If the Giants brought in another veteran at RB or drafted one then maybe I'd agree. However, they didn't. That shows that Coughlin trusts Wilson. I think everyone's in agreement that there's no way Brown could carry the load for an entire season, so if there was no trust in Wilson, he'd have to have another guy there. Brown will be used to backup Wilson and maybe get some goal line carries. I don't see any reason for anything else unless Wilson has any issues with missing blocks or fumbling during the season.

Nothing you said here makes me more confident. To me not adding another vet leads me to believe they trust Brown as much as they trust Wilson.

Brown has been injury prone for years. Wilson has not. Wilson was a 1st rd pick. Brown was not. I don't see how anyone can logically say that they trust Brown as much as they trust Wilson.

We will see if it's that simple to Caughlin or not.

Not sure what your point is.