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[jacobo_moses]

I thought Andre Brown supporters on this board said Brown was better at ball security. I guess not.

 

[Andrew74]

Giants run game with 1st team wasn't too hot. Didn't seem to be much room. I wish Wilson would have played on a 3rd down, but he was in on at least 2 pass plays. He made a decent block on one.

 

[meyerj31]

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/giantsblog/giants_practice_report_wilson_opens_HMsYjJ95RsanSsLsr5NuqI?utm_campaign=OutbrainA&utm_source=OutbrainArticlepages&obref=obinsite#axzz2basyX72K

Giants practice report: Wilson opens eyes as receiving threat

• By PAUL SCHWARTZ
• Posted: 5:33 PM, August 7, 2013

If what the Giants worked on during Wednesday’s training camp practice pans out during the season, Eli Manning and the offense could burst wide open.

There was plenty of concentration on getting the ball to the running backs in the passing game, something Manning doesn’t count as one of his go-to plays. Last season, Ahmad Bradshaw had only 23 receptions, Andre Brown had 12 and David Wilson as a rookie had only four. Given Wilson’s explosive talent, getting the ball in his hands in space seems like a smart thing to do, and the Giants appear intent on doing it.

Wilson got plenty of looks in the 7 on 7 period and made the most of his opportunities. He was able to isolate himself one-on-one with linebacker Jacquian Williams and despite more than decent coverage, Wilson was able to snatch Manning’s pass out of the air with his hands and turn the corner on Wilson, who is an extremely quick defensive player. With David Carr taking over at quarterback, the offense showed a new wrinkle, with Wilson running a deep pattern over the middle. He reached back as Carr slightly threw behind him and hauled in the pass, running behind linebacker Keith Rivers.

Brown showed off his hands in the term period, reaching high to control a Curtis Painter rising fastball.

Other practice notables:

-- OL James Brewer did not work because of a head injury and has already been ruled out of Saturday’s preseason opener in Pittsburgh. Rookie S Cooper Taylor (hamstring) also sat out and won’t play vs. the Steelers. Rookie OL Justin Pugh (concussion) is also out and Tom Coughlin hopes Pugh gets cleared to return next week.

-- DE Justin Tuck did not practice because of what Coughlin said is a “tight back.’’ Cullen Jenkins moved outside from his usual defensive tackle spot to fill Tuck’s left end spot.

-- In 1 on 1 drills, two players showed how to use their size and muscle. TE Adrien Robinson outmaneuvered S Ryan Mundy for a catch and WR Ramses Barden beat the much smaller CB Jayron Hosley for the ball.

-- Second-year Brandon Mosley again filled in as the starting right guard for Chris Snee, who is slowly working his way back in after coming off PUP after hip surgery. “He occasionally suffers from a lack of experience but he’s been impressive,’’ Coughlin said of Mosley, a fourth-round pick in 2012. “He’s a tough kid and he’s battling.’’

-- David Carr must have had flashbacks to the bad-old days with the Texans on one play when Adrian Tracy blew past a missed block by FB Ryan D’Imperio for what would have been an uncontested sack if Carr hasn’t alertly thrown the ball away at the last second.

-- CB Aaron Ross was saying earlier in the day that the defensive backfield hasn’t had any mental breakdowns thus far in camp. Well, it sure looked as if someone blew a coverage when Victor Cruz got behind Antrel Rolle and Corey Webster to break wide open for Manning’s deep ball.

-- Rookie QB Ryan Nassib had one of his better days, throwing the ball with more accuracy on the cool, cloudy and breezy afternoon. His best pass may have been a touchdown toss to TE Larry Donnell, who got behind S Will Hill and CB Charles James. Competing for Nassib’s best moment was his touchdown toss to WR Brandon Collins, who leaped high in the back of the end zone. One of Nassib’s not-so-good passes, intended for Collins, was intercepted by CB Junior Mertile.

-- Victor Cruz was more active as he shakes the rust off but in the two-minute drill one of Manning’s passes glanced off Cruz’ hands. Manning responded by connecting with Cruz and Rueben Randle and got the offense into chip-shot field goal range.


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Interesting that Wilson was catching passes from Eli and Carr. Brown is only mentioned catching passes from Painter who shouldn't make the 53 man roster since the Giants usually only carry 2QB, maybe 3 with Nassib being drafted.

If he's running routes, his pass blocking isn't as much of an issue. It could have a big impact on the offense since the screen play hasn't been part of the offense since Tiki retired.

This is an awesome report man, keep it up. I feel better about taking Wilson in the 3rd in a PPR league.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Surprised Brown is still getting a lot of carries at this point in the game...Does Coughlin not even want him to last until preseason week 2?

 

[Kenny Powers]

Giants run game with 1st team wasn't too hot. Didn't seem to be much room. I wish Wilson would have played on a 3rd down, but he was in on at least 2 pass plays. He made a decent block on one.

Coincidentally, Steelers run D is usually pretty stout.

 

[Gopher State]

Brown out rushed Wilson that is all you need to know about pre season game one

 

[Yenrub]

Brown out rushed Wilson that is all you need to know about pre season game one

Actually what everyone needs to know is,,,

With Eli in the game the Giants had three 3rd down situations. Andre Brown was the RB on all three plays. Wilson was the RB on 1st and 2nd down prior to those situations

Andre Brown fumbled a toss from Carr...he simply never caught the toss (which was perfectly tossed)

 

[Kenny Powers]

Brown out rushed Wilson that is all you need to know about pre season game one

Actually what everyone needs to know is,,,

With Eli in the game the Giants had three 3rd down situations. Andre Brown was the RB on all three plays. Wilson was the RB on 1st and 2nd down prior to those situations

Andre Brown fumbled a toss from Carr...he simply never caught the toss (which was perfectly tossed)

Also important to know the Giants 1st series started from the Steelers 5yd line because of a blocked punt and it was the same as the other scenarios. WIlson 1st 2 downs, Brown 3rd down.

 

[Biabreakable]

I know it is in this thread somewhere but I am not going to dig for it.

The RB coach said before TC started that they felt comfortable with Brown on all downs but that they needed to see more improvement from Wilson to trust him on 3rd down. The way he explained it was that it is a process they go through with their RB over time.

So why you guys are arguing about this confuses me. I think that was clear as can be. Now in the 1st preseason game that is exactly what they did. Wilson 1st and 2nd down Brown on 3rd down.

 

[Tango]

Brown out rushed Wilson that is all you need to know about pre season game one

Actually what everyone needs to know is,,,

With Eli in the game the Giants had three 3rd down situations. Andre Brown was the RB on all three plays. Wilson was the RB on 1st and 2nd down prior to those situations

Andre Brown fumbled a toss from Carr...he simply never caught the toss (which was perfectly tossed)

Also important to know the Giants 1st series started from the Steelers 5yd line because of a blocked punt and it was the same as the other scenarios. WIlson 1st 2 downs, Brown 3rd down.

Yes, that it is vital. Only run was on 1st to Wilson for NG.

 

[therokie0070]

Bottom line is in 2013 Wilson is overhyped and brown is underrated and holds good value at current ADP.

 

[MAC_32]

Bottom line is in 2013 Wilson is overhyped and brown is underrated and holds good value at current ADP.

Oh.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Bottom line is in 2013 Wilson is overhyped and brown is underrated and holds good value at current ADP.

Excellent in depth analysis. How do I sign up for your newsletter?

 

[Eminence]

Bottom line is in 2013 Wilson is overhyped

I've been saying this for months.

 

[zamboni]

The only takeaway is that we learned nothing after tonight. Small sample size for both.

 

[MAC_32]

The only takeaway is that we learned nothing after tonight. Small sample size for both.

where do I sign?

 

[msudaisy26]

Brown out rushed Wilson that is all you need to know about pre season game one

The only thing you need to know is it was preseason game one

 

[King of the Jungle]

I am excited for the season to start = I am excited for the David Wilson talk to die down a bit.

This is a split folks....barring injury.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I am excited for the season to start = I am excited for the David Wilson talk to die down a bit.

This is a split folks....barring injury.

Sure, it's a split. Anyone rational already knew this.

I'm a Wilson owner, and also a fan of A Brown. Fully expect to see Wilson get > 1000 yards rushing, and Brown to get double-digit TDs.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I am excited for the season to start = I am excited for the David Wilson talk to die down a bit.

This is a split folks....barring injury.

Sure, it's a split. Anyone rational already knew this.

I'm a Wilson owner, and also a fan of A Brown. Fully expect to see Wilson get > 1000 yards rushing, and Brown to get double-digit TDs.

It is what it is. I like Wilson, but the back and forth is a little too much. He will not rush for 2000 yards this year. Between him and Lamar Miller we should devote a new forum to them. I realize I do not have to click on what I don't want to read about.....just peeing and moaning a little for no good reason.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I am excited for the season to start = I am excited for the David Wilson talk to die down a bit.

This is a split folks....barring injury.

Sure, it's a split. Anyone rational already knew this.

I'm a Wilson owner, and also a fan of A Brown. Fully expect to see Wilson get > 1000 yards rushing, and Brown to get double-digit TDs.

It is what it is. I like Wilson, but the back and forth is a little too much. He will not rush for 2000 yards this year. Between him and Lamar Miller we should devote a new forum to them. I realize I do not have to click on what I don't want to read about.....just peeing and moaning a little for no good reason.

I dont think anyone is expecting 2000 yds total let alone rushing.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I am excited for the season to start = I am excited for the David Wilson talk to die down a bit.

This is a split folks....barring injury.

Sure, it's a split. Anyone rational already knew this.

I'm a Wilson owner, and also a fan of A Brown. Fully expect to see Wilson get > 1000 yards rushing, and Brown to get double-digit TDs.

It is what it is. I like Wilson, but the back and forth is a little too much. He will not rush for 2000 yards this year. Between him and Lamar Miller we should devote a new forum to them. I realize I do not have to click on what I don't want to read about.....just peeing and moaning a little for no good reason.

I dont think anyone is expecting 2000 yds total let alone rushing.

I am being somewhat sarcastic. Although I love what Wilson brings to the table I think he will be overrated this year in FF unless Brown is injured.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I am excited for the season to start = I am excited for the David Wilson talk to die down a bit.

This is a split folks....barring injury.

Sure, it's a split. Anyone rational already knew this.

I'm a Wilson owner, and also a fan of A Brown. Fully expect to see Wilson get > 1000 yards rushing, and Brown to get double-digit TDs.

It is what it is. I like Wilson, but the back and forth is a little too much. He will not rush for 2000 yards this year. Between him and Lamar Miller we should devote a new forum to them. I realize I do not have to click on what I don't want to read about.....just peeing and moaning a little for no good reason.

I dont think anyone is expecting 2000 yds total let alone rushing.

I am being somewhat sarcastic. Although I love what Wilson brings to the table I think he will be overrated this year in FF unless Brown is injured.

Well, Brown has been injured every single year since he entered the league. So it wouldn't be terribly shocking to see him injured this year too.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I am excited for the season to start = I am excited for the David Wilson talk to die down a bit.

This is a split folks....barring injury.

Sure, it's a split. Anyone rational already knew this.

I'm a Wilson owner, and also a fan of A Brown. Fully expect to see Wilson get > 1000 yards rushing, and Brown to get double-digit TDs.

It is what it is. I like Wilson, but the back and forth is a little too much. He will not rush for 2000 yards this year. Between him and Lamar Miller we should devote a new forum to them. I realize I do not have to click on what I don't want to read about.....just peeing and moaning a little for no good reason.

I dont think anyone is expecting 2000 yds total let alone rushing.

I am being somewhat sarcastic. Although I love what Wilson brings to the table I think he will be overrated this year in FF unless Brown is injured.

Well, Brown has been injured every single year since he entered the league. So it wouldn't be terribly shocking to see him injured this year too.

I assumed that would be the next statement....and rightfully so. ...why would it take a Andre Brown injury to make David Wilson a full-time back?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I am excited for the season to start = I am excited for the David Wilson talk to die down a bit.

This is a split folks....barring injury.

Sure, it's a split. Anyone rational already knew this.

I'm a Wilson owner, and also a fan of A Brown. Fully expect to see Wilson get > 1000 yards rushing, and Brown to get double-digit TDs.

It is what it is. I like Wilson, but the back and forth is a little too much. He will not rush for 2000 yards this year. Between him and Lamar Miller we should devote a new forum to them. I realize I do not have to click on what I don't want to read about.....just peeing and moaning a little for no good reason.

I dont think anyone is expecting 2000 yds total let alone rushing.

I am being somewhat sarcastic. Although I love what Wilson brings to the table I think he will be overrated this year in FF unless Brown is injured.

Well, Brown has been injured every single year since he entered the league. So it wouldn't be terribly shocking to see him injured this year too.

I assumed that would be the next statement....and rightfully so. ...why would it take a Andre Brown injury to make David Wilson a full-time back?

Those are your words, not mine. You said he would be overrated - evidently because you think people expect him to get 2,000 yards this season....which hey, would be basically a career achievement for all but a few RBs. So yeah, if that is your benchmark, then he will be overrated.

If your benchmark is D Wilson as a starter getting 2/3 of the touches (not exactly unheard of for a "full time back" these days), then I don't see A Brown as an obstacle. I see D Wilson as the obstacle.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Reading between the lines, it appears the Giants trust Brown a little more than Wilson right now - although obviously things can change.

No matter how explosive he is, unless Wilson can show that he can protect Eli, he is going to come off the field quite a bit.

They're using Wilson in the passing game.

Obviously, he isn't coming off the field whenever they are going to pass or he wouldn't be getting any catches.

This is going to be more lead/COP back than it is a run/pass division. I think there may be a tilt in Brown's favor early on in 3rd and longs...but if those are block first and then release plays, what do Wilson owner's really have to worry about? Sure, if he isn't in there he can't be the hot read on an audible. But that isn't the end of the world for a guy being drafted outside the RB1's.

And it isn't a static situation anyway. Wilson is a young guy learning a new skill. His usage on 3rd downs could change (increase) from week to week. I think it's more foolish to assume his 3rd down usage will be identical from week 1 through 13 than it is to assume there will be some improvement and growth over that same stretch.

 

[Koya]

I know it is in this thread somewhere but I am not going to dig for it.



The RB coach said before TC started that they felt comfortable with Brown on all downs but that they needed to see more improvement from Wilson to trust him on 3rd down. The way he explained it was that it is a process they go through with their RB over time.



So why you guys are arguing about this confuses me. I think that was clear as can be. Now in the 1st preseason game that is exactly what they did. Wilson 1st and 2nd down Brown on 3rd down.

Please, don't argue with far more knowledgeable fans who don't have a horse in the race. It makes people like you and I look silly in the face of guys like Monk, whom just exude knowledge. He's said it himself.

They simply follow the team closer and know more than you or I. Or they just don't actually look at things nearly as objectively as they they think and overestimate their own knowledge while coming off likes Jets fans

 

[monk]

I know it is in this thread somewhere but I am not going to dig for it.



The RB coach said before TC started that they felt comfortable with Brown on all downs but that they needed to see more improvement from Wilson to trust him on 3rd down. The way he explained it was that it is a process they go through with their RB over time.



So why you guys are arguing about this confuses me. I think that was clear as can be. Now in the 1st preseason game that is exactly what they did. Wilson 1st and 2nd down Brown on 3rd down.

Please, don't argue with far more knowledgeable fans who don't have a horse in the race. It makes people like you and I look silly in the face of guys like Monk, whom just exude knowledge. He's said it himself.

They simply follow the team closer and know more than you or I. Or they just don't actually look at things nearly as objectively as they they think and overestimate their own knowledge while coming off likes Jets fans

Observations from a knowledgeable and logical Giants fan with no horse in the race ...

• David Wilson started and played the entire 1st quarter with the 1st team O against PIT 1st team D. - Andre Brown Did not have a touch in the 1st quarter
• David Wilson had a outstanding block while pass blocking in the 1st Q aginst the PIT 1st team D
• Andre Brown's 1st Touches came in the 2nd Quarter - Giants starting Oline still inthe game ... PIT had already removed many of their defensive starters
• Andre Brown had a horrible fumble and was chewed out by Coughlin as he ran of the field ... Brown was comforted by starting RB Wilson much the same way that veteran Ahmad Bradshaw comforted Wilson last year when he had his only career fumble.

 

[JayJay328]

I know it is in this thread somewhere but I am not going to dig for it.



The RB coach said before TC started that they felt comfortable with Brown on all downs but that they needed to see more improvement from Wilson to trust him on 3rd down. The way he explained it was that it is a process they go through with their RB over time.



So why you guys are arguing about this confuses me. I think that was clear as can be. Now in the 1st preseason game that is exactly what they did. Wilson 1st and 2nd down Brown on 3rd down.

Please, don't argue with far more knowledgeable fans who don't have a horse in the race. It makes people like you and I look silly in the face of guys like Monk, whom just exude knowledge. He's said it himself.

They simply follow the team closer and know more than you or I. Or they just don't actually look at things nearly as objectively as they they think and overestimate their own knowledge while coming off likes Jets fans

Observations from a knowledgeable and logical Giants fan with no horse in the race ...

• David Wilson started and played the entire 1st quarter with the 1st team O against PIT 1st team D. - Andre Brown Did not have a touch in the 1st quarter
• David Wilson had a outstanding block while pass blocking in the 1st Q aginst the PIT 1st team D
• Andre Brown's 1st Touches came in the 2nd Quarter - Giants starting Oline still inthe game ... PIT had already removed many of their defensive starters
• Andre Brown had a horrible fumble and was chewed out by Coughlin as he ran of the field ... Brown was comforted by starting RB Wilson much the same way that veteran Ahmad Bradshaw comforted Wilson last year when he had his only career fumble.

Did Brown cry the way Wilson did?

 

[3optic]

Did Brown cry the way Wilson did?

Real men don't cry.. it's 1956 everyone

 

[monk]

I know it is in this thread somewhere but I am not going to dig for it.



The RB coach said before TC started that they felt comfortable with Brown on all downs but that they needed to see more improvement from Wilson to trust him on 3rd down. The way he explained it was that it is a process they go through with their RB over time.



So why you guys are arguing about this confuses me. I think that was clear as can be. Now in the 1st preseason game that is exactly what they did. Wilson 1st and 2nd down Brown on 3rd down.

Please, don't argue with far more knowledgeable fans who don't have a horse in the race. It makes people like you and I look silly in the face of guys like Monk, whom just exude knowledge. He's said it himself.

They simply follow the team closer and know more than you or I. Or they just don't actually look at things nearly as objectively as they they think and overestimate their own knowledge while coming off likes Jets fans

Observations from a knowledgeable and logical Giants fan with no horse in the race ...

• David Wilson started and played the entire 1st quarter with the 1st team O against PIT 1st team D. - Andre Brown Did not have a touch in the 1st quarter
• David Wilson had a outstanding block while pass blocking in the 1st Q aginst the PIT 1st team D
• Andre Brown's 1st Touches came in the 2nd Quarter - Giants starting Oline still inthe game ... PIT had already removed many of their defensive starters
• Andre Brown had a horrible fumble and was chewed out by Coughlin as he ran of the field ... Brown was comforted by starting RB Wilson much the same way that veteran Ahmad Bradshaw comforted Wilson last year when he had his only career fumble.

Did Brown cry the way Wilson did?

Actually he was pacing the sideline pouting and wanted to be left alone ... So yeah kinda

 

[netnalp]

Dan Hutchinson/Star Ledger

Running back David Wilson, who has been working to improve pass blocking, stepped up and delivered a crushing block on a blitzing Steelers linebacker, enabling quarterback Eli Manning to get off a pass.

 

[JohnnyU]

Dan Hutchinson/Star Ledger

Running back David Wilson, who has been working to improve pass blocking, stepped up and delivered a crushing block on a blitzing Steelers linebacker, enabling quarterback Eli Manning to get off a pass.

That ought to shut them up for awhile.

 

[Yenrub]

I know it is in this thread somewhere but I am not going to dig for it.



The RB coach said before TC started that they felt comfortable with Brown on all downs but that they needed to see more improvement from Wilson to trust him on 3rd down. The way he explained it was that it is a process they go through with their RB over time.



So why you guys are arguing about this confuses me. I think that was clear as can be. Now in the 1st preseason game that is exactly what they did. Wilson 1st and 2nd down Brown on 3rd down.

Please, don't argue with far more knowledgeable fans who don't have a horse in the race. It makes people like you and I look silly in the face of guys like Monk, whom just exude knowledge. He's said it himself.

They simply follow the team closer and know more than you or I. Or they just don't actually look at things nearly as objectively as they they think and overestimate their own knowledge while coming off likes Jets fans

Observations from a knowledgeable and logical Giants fan with no horse in the race ...

• David Wilson started and played the entire 1st quarter with the 1st team O against PIT 1st team D. - Andre Brown Did not have a touch in the 1st quarter
• David Wilson had a outstanding block while pass blocking in the 1st Q aginst the PIT 1st team D
• Andre Brown's 1st Touches came in the 2nd Quarter - Giants starting Oline still inthe game ... PIT had already removed many of their defensive starters
• Andre Brown had a horrible fumble and was chewed out by Coughlin as he ran of the field ... Brown was comforted by starting RB Wilson much the same way that veteran Ahmad Bradshaw comforted Wilson last year when he had his only career fumble.

Andre Brown was in as the 3rd down back on all three 3rd down situations in the 1st quarter

 

[gianmarco]

"I know I can be in the doghouse when you fumble the ball, especially with coach Coughlin," Brown said, via Newsday. "I know he's going to be on me this week about holding onto the ball and my protection."


Coughlin predictably was perturbed about Brown's careless turnover.

"His eyes never went to the ball," Coughlin said. "He never looked at the ball. He was looking at the rush and fumbled the ball. By the time he got to where he started looking for the ball, the defenders were on him."

 

[Horses Mouth]

In a keeper league.....Chris Johnson or David Wilson?

 

[The Fantasy Chef]

david Wilson

 

[monk]

I know it is in this thread somewhere but I am not going to dig for it.



The RB coach said before TC started that they felt comfortable with Brown on all downs but that they needed to see more improvement from Wilson to trust him on 3rd down. The way he explained it was that it is a process they go through with their RB over time.



So why you guys are arguing about this confuses me. I think that was clear as can be. Now in the 1st preseason game that is exactly what they did. Wilson 1st and 2nd down Brown on 3rd down.

Please, don't argue with far more knowledgeable fans who don't have a horse in the race. It makes people like you and I look silly in the face of guys like Monk, whom just exude knowledge. He's said it himself.

They simply follow the team closer and know more than you or I. Or they just don't actually look at things nearly as objectively as they they think and overestimate their own knowledge while coming off likes Jets fans

Observations from a knowledgeable and logical Giants fan with no horse in the race ...

• David Wilson started and played the entire 1st quarter with the 1st team O against PIT 1st team D. - Andre Brown Did not have a touch in the 1st quarter
• David Wilson had a outstanding block while pass blocking in the 1st Q aginst the PIT 1st team D
• Andre Brown's 1st Touches came in the 2nd Quarter - Giants starting Oline still inthe game ... PIT had already removed many of their defensive starters
• Andre Brown had a horrible fumble and was chewed out by Coughlin as he ran of the field ... Brown was comforted by starting RB Wilson much the same way that veteran Ahmad Bradshaw comforted Wilson last year when he had his only career fumble.

Andre Brown was in as the 3rd down back on all three 3rd down situations in the 1st quarter

Yes he was ... that is another good observation. Brown was in on every 3rd down play in the 1st quarter resulting in 0 touches.

Last season 3rd downs accounted for just under 20% of the Giants total plays from scrimmage.

I am not sure how many of those plays result in a RB touch but I would guess around 35%. And a large percenatge of those limited touches are short yardage plays ... 1- 3 yards.

So I dont think 3rd downs are going to make Brown that more valuable

 

[therokie0070]

I know it is in this thread somewhere but I am not going to dig for it. The RB coach said before TC started that they felt comfortable with Brown on all downs but that they needed to see more improvement from Wilson to trust him on 3rd down. The way he explained it was that it is a process they go through with their RB over time. So why you guys are arguing about this confuses me. I think that was clear as can be. Now in the 1st preseason game that is exactly what they did. Wilson 1st and 2nd down Brown on 3rd down.

Please, don't argue with far more knowledgeable fans who don't have a horse in the race. It makes people like you and I look silly in the face of guys like Monk, whom just exude knowledge. He's said it himself.

They simply follow the team closer and know more than you or I. Or they just don't actually look at things nearly as objectively as they they think and overestimate their own knowledge while coming off likes Jets fans

Observations from a knowledgeable and logical Giants fan with no horse in the race ...

• David Wilson started and played the entire 1st quarter with the 1st team O against PIT 1st team D. - Andre Brown Did not have a touch in the 1st quarter
• David Wilson had a outstanding block while pass blocking in the 1st Q aginst the PIT 1st team D
• Andre Brown's 1st Touches came in the 2nd Quarter - Giants starting Oline still inthe game ... PIT had already removed many of their defensive starters
• Andre Brown had a horrible fumble and was chewed out by Coughlin as he ran of the field ... Brown was comforted by starting RB Wilson much the same way that veteran Ahmad Bradshaw comforted Wilson last year when he had his only career fumble.

Andre Brown was in as the 3rd down back on all three 3rd down situations in the 1st quarter

Yes he was ... that is another good observation. Brown was in on every 3rd down play in the 1st quarter resulting in 0 touches.Last season 3rd downs accounted for just under 20% of the Giants total plays from scrimmage.

I am not sure how many of those plays result in a RB touch but I would guess around 35%. And a large percenatge of those limited touches are short yardage plays ... 1- 3 yards.

So I dont think 3rd downs are going to make Brown that more valuable

That is a stupid thing to say!! Regardless if 3rd downs account for only 20% or not the more brown is on the field the more valuable he will be and the less valuable Wilson will be. Doesn't take the most knowledgeable fan to figure that out!!

 

[Concept Coop]

Wilson looked a bit bigger to me, which I think is a good thing.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I know it is in this thread somewhere but I am not going to dig for it. The RB coach said before TC started that they felt comfortable with Brown on all downs but that they needed to see more improvement from Wilson to trust him on 3rd down. The way he explained it was that it is a process they go through with their RB over time. So why you guys are arguing about this confuses me. I think that was clear as can be. Now in the 1st preseason game that is exactly what they did. Wilson 1st and 2nd down Brown on 3rd down.

Please, don't argue with far more knowledgeable fans who don't have a horse in the race. It makes people like you and I look silly in the face of guys like Monk, whom just exude knowledge. He's said it himself.

They simply follow the team closer and know more than you or I. Or they just don't actually look at things nearly as objectively as they they think and overestimate their own knowledge while coming off likes Jets fans

Observations from a knowledgeable and logical Giants fan with no horse in the race ...

• David Wilson started and played the entire 1st quarter with the 1st team O against PIT 1st team D. - Andre Brown Did not have a touch in the 1st quarter
• David Wilson had a outstanding block while pass blocking in the 1st Q aginst the PIT 1st team D
• Andre Brown's 1st Touches came in the 2nd Quarter - Giants starting Oline still inthe game ... PIT had already removed many of their defensive starters
• Andre Brown had a horrible fumble and was chewed out by Coughlin as he ran of the field ... Brown was comforted by starting RB Wilson much the same way that veteran Ahmad Bradshaw comforted Wilson last year when he had his only career fumble.

Andre Brown was in as the 3rd down back on all three 3rd down situations in the 1st quarter

Yes he was ... that is another good observation. Brown was in on every 3rd down play in the 1st quarter resulting in 0 touches.Last season 3rd downs accounted for just under 20% of the Giants total plays from scrimmage.

I am not sure how many of those plays result in a RB touch but I would guess around 35%. And a large percenatge of those limited touches are short yardage plays ... 1- 3 yards.

So I dont think 3rd downs are going to make Brown that more valuable

That is a stupid thing to say!! Regardless if 3rd downs account for only 20% or not the more brown is on the field the more valuable he will be and the less valuable Wilson will be. Doesn't take the most knowledgeable fan to figure that out!!

Less or more valuable than what, exactly? More and less are comparative terms. You need a starting point for established value if you are claiming value is changing.

Yes. If Brown is in for 20% of the offensive plays, then Wilson won't be in for 100% of them. So Wilson at 80% isn't worth as much as Wilson getting 100%. Groundbreaking analysis there, I tell you! You really think you're scoring points against the pro-Wilson crowd by arguing that Wilson won't get 100% of the touches? You think the Wilson owners didn't already know that Brown was going to get some touches? Talking about stupid things to say!

What happened in this pre-season game changes nothing except that there's tangible proof that Wilson is getting better at pass pro and will be used in the passing game. This focus on 3rd down is a bit nonsensical. The coaches are going to watch the film and use that film study to tweak and adjust roles. But we really don't have any better an idea about how the touches will be distributed (%-wise) one way or the other based on this game.

Andre Brown is going to get some carries, contrary to what happened in this game. And Wilson is going to be used in the passing game, contrary to what some of his detractors have claimed. Whether we're talking a 50/50 split or a 65/35 split, or something in between, is anyone's guess.

 

[Ace zero1]

David Wilson or Lamar miller?

 

[Markus P Dub]

Coughlin 'concerned' with Andre Brown fumble - Andre Brown (RB) New York Giants

Giants coach Tom Coughlin admitted after Saturday's preseason opener Andre Brown's lost fumble "concerns" him.

Coughlin critical of David Wilson's pass pro - David Wilson (RB) New York GiantsGiants coach Tom Coughlin was critical of David Wilson's pass blocking following the preseason opener.

 

[Touchdown There]

David Wilson or Lamar miller?

It is a good problem to have if you have both.

 

[msudaisy26]

David Wilson or Lamar miller?

It is a good problem to have if you have both.

If you have both but need to trade one for help in other spots, who do you trade?

 

[therokie0070]

I know it is in this thread somewhere but I am not going to dig for it. The RB coach said before TC started that they felt comfortable with Brown on all downs but that they needed to see more improvement from Wilson to trust him on 3rd down. The way he explained it was that it is a process they go through with their RB over time. So why you guys are arguing about this confuses me. I think that was clear as can be. Now in the 1st preseason game that is exactly what they did. Wilson 1st and 2nd down Brown on 3rd down.

Please, don't argue with far more knowledgeable fans who don't have a horse in the race. It makes people like you and I look silly in the face of guys like Monk, whom just exude knowledge. He's said it himself.

They simply follow the team closer and know more than you or I. Or they just don't actually look at things nearly as objectively as they they think and overestimate their own knowledge while coming off likes Jets fans

Observations from a knowledgeable and logical Giants fan with no horse in the race ...

• David Wilson started and played the entire 1st quarter with the 1st team O against PIT 1st team D. - Andre Brown Did not have a touch in the 1st quarter
• David Wilson had a outstanding block while pass blocking in the 1st Q aginst the PIT 1st team D
• Andre Brown's 1st Touches came in the 2nd Quarter - Giants starting Oline still inthe game ... PIT had already removed many of their defensive starters
• Andre Brown had a horrible fumble and was chewed out by Coughlin as he ran of the field ... Brown was comforted by starting RB Wilson much the same way that veteran Ahmad Bradshaw comforted Wilson last year when he had his only career fumble.

Andre Brown was in as the 3rd down back on all three 3rd down situations in the 1st quarter

Yes he was ... that is another good observation. Brown was in on every 3rd down play in the 1st quarter resulting in 0 touches.Last season 3rd downs accounted for just under 20% of the Giants total plays from scrimmage.

I am not sure how many of those plays result in a RB touch but I would guess around 35%. And a large percenatge of those limited touches are short yardage plays ... 1- 3 yards.

So I dont think 3rd downs are going to make Brown that more valuable

That is a stupid thing to say!! Regardless if 3rd downs account for only 20% or not the more brown is on the field the more valuable he will be and the less valuable Wilson will be. Doesn't take the most knowledgeable fan to figure that out!!

Less or more valuable than what, exactly? More and less are comparative terms. You need a starting point for established value if you are claiming value is changing.

Yes. If Brown is in for 20% of the offensive plays, then Wilson won't be in for 100% of them. So Wilson at 80% isn't worth as much as Wilson getting 100%. Groundbreaking analysis there, I tell you! You really think you're scoring points against the pro-Wilson crowd by arguing that Wilson won't get 100% of the touches? You think the Wilson owners didn't already know that Brown was going to get some touches? Talking about stupid things to say!

What happened in this pre-season game changes nothing except that there's tangible proof that Wilson is getting better at pass pro and will be used in the passing game. This focus on 3rd down is a bit nonsensical. The coaches are going to watch the film and use that film study to tweak and adjust roles. But we really don't have any better an idea about how the touches will be distributed (%-wise) one way or the other based on this game.

Andre Brown is going to get some carries, contrary to what happened in this game. And Wilson is going to be used in the passing game, contrary to what some of his detractors have claimed. Whether we're talking a 50/50 split or a 65/35 split, or something in between, is anyone's guess.

I am simply responding to monk saying the fact brown is the 3rd down RB doesn't make him more valuable, it is simply not true like you stated. Pretty black and white if you are on the field more often you will most likely score more Points in FF, therefore making more valuable.

 

[Biabreakable]

I appreciate all of the Giants posters in here who know quite a bit more about this than I do. Even better they do not always agree.

I am feeling like this is going to be a 60/40 split in Wilson's favor as long as Brown doesn't make more mistakes. If Wilson can keep getting better at his pass protection maybe that split turns more in his favor later on in the season.

If Brown is out for whatever reason is what I wonder about. I kind of like Cox because he brings a different style of RB. But no way they trust him as a rookie on 3rd down. If Wilson was not ready and Brown is not available for that role then I guess it would be Henry or Bear taking over 3rd down duty?

I'm curious about if they might give another RB a small role or not. Lots of games to be played.

 

[jacobo_moses]

How did David Wilson do in pass protection in preseason opener? Tom Coughlin was pleased, generally. More:

"He had one very very good cut block when he stepped up and took a blitzing linebacker on,'' Coughlin said after reviewing tape of the 18-13 victory in Pittsburgh. "One time the 'backer stepped over him too. He can learn that you don’t cut people at the feet of the quarterback, that’s not going to accomplish anything. Andre [brown] did a real good job of chipping last night where it was obvious help was needed.'' #nyg

about 7 hours ago

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[Andrew74]

How did David Wilson do in pass protection in preseason opener? Tom Coughlin was pleased, generally. More:

"He had one very very good cut block when he stepped up and took a blitzing linebacker on,'' Coughlin said after reviewing tape of the 18-13 victory in Pittsburgh. "One time the 'backer stepped over him too. He can learn that you dont cut people at the feet of the quarterback, thats not going to accomplish anything. Andre [brown] did a real good job of chipping last night where it was obvious help was needed.'' #nyg about 7 hours ago



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Comes off in a different tone when you don't cut the first sentence off.

 

[Khy]

How did David Wilson do in pass protection in preseason opener? Tom Coughlin was pleased, generally. More:

"He had one very very good cut block when he stepped up and took a blitzing linebacker on,'' Coughlin said after reviewing tape of the 18-13 victory in Pittsburgh. "One time the 'backer stepped over him too. He can learn that you dont cut people at the feet of the quarterback, thats not going to accomplish anything. Andre [brown] did a real good job of chipping last night where it was obvious help was needed.'' #nyg about 7 hours ago



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Comes off in a different tone when you don't cut the first sentence off.

Yeah I'm not sure why the Rotoworld update linked above completely eradicated that first sentence of Coughlin stating he made a 'very very good cut block'. I guess Rotoworld is also on the "David Wilson will be over shadowed by Andre Brown" hype-train?