***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (1 Viewer)

[Clifford]

49 pages on a back with 1 100-yard game...

 

[Hybrid]

Hey all. Wilson's backup was better the other day, therefore Wilson should be benched. I always wondered why AD wasn't benched for Gerhart and why after Flynn broke all the Packers' records he didn't take over for Rodgers.

Don't question TC, after all he has 2 rings. Everyone knows when you win a ring you're infallible. I mean, just look at Switzer, Billick, and Gruden.

Have mercy on those straw men!

I don't think mentioning Adrian Peterson's fumbling issues is a straw man argument at all. Peterson lost 9 fumbles his second year on 363 carries. Admittedly that's still a lower fumbling rate than Wilson's 3 on 78 carries, but also a much lower sample size. Usually at the running back position, talent wins out, and fumbling can be (in my opinion) correctable. At least to a degree.

Also, I don't think having former success makes you immune to questioning. (ETA: regarding Coughlin)

 

[JuniorNB]

Can someone look up the stat on wins/losses when you have no running game or talent at the position other than one guy and rely on a backup that almost was cut? Hint: it won't help your argument.

Scott went 5 for 23 and 5 for 51. Wilson won 7 for 19 and didn't catch a pass.

Running production went up and the offense got better once Wilson was benched.

Stick with the "Wilson stinks because he fumbles too much' argument. I don't think there is one single NFL coach, player, or knowledgeable fan who thinks that Scott can be nearly as productive as David Wilson if Wilson hangs on to the ball. I don't think I saw Scott break one tackle. What I saw was some garbage time dump offs where Scott gained decent yardage in the open field that Wilson may have made the first tackler miss and scored on.

You're having a nice performance in this thread by using inarguable points about his blocking and ball security. But you don't want to venture into this territory.

 

[encaitar]

Hey all. Wilson's backup was better the other day, therefore Wilson should be benched. I always wondered why AD wasn't benched for Gerhart and why after Flynn broke all the Packers' records he didn't take over for Rodgers.

Don't question TC, after all he has 2 rings. Everyone knows when you win a ring you're infallible. I mean, just look at Switzer, Billick, and Gruden.

Have mercy on those straw men!

I don't think mentioning Adrian Peterson's fumbling issues is a straw man argument at all. Peterson lost 9 fumbles his second year on 363 carries. Admittedly that's still a lower fumbling rate than Wilson's 3 on 78 carries, but also a much lower sample size. Usually at the running back position, talent wins out, and fumbling can be (in my opinion) correctable. At least to a degree.

Also, I don't think having former success makes you immune to questioning. (ETA: regarding Coughlin)

Peterson was also the most explosive back in the NFL and had a rookie campaign for the ages. Wilson hasn't won himself that much leeway yet.

 

[Concept Coop]

Stick with the "Wilson stinks because he fumbles too much' argument. I don't think there is one single NFL coach, player, or knowledgeable fan who thinks that Scott can be nearly as productive as David Wilson if Wilson hangs on to the ball. I don't think I saw Scott break one tackle. What I saw was some garbage time dump offs where Scott gained decent yardage in the open field that Wilson may have made the first tackler miss and scored on.


You're having a nice performance in this thread by using inarguable points about his blocking and ball security. But you don't want to venture into this territory.

That's not my argument at all. I was questioning the notion that Coughlin hurt his 'chances to win Sunday's game by benching Wilson. Wilson is clearly the better, more talented player, and he doesn't stink. But I don't think we can say - as I feel was being suggested - that the Giants had a better chance to win by leaving Wilson in.

 

[Concept Coop]

I don't think mentioning Adrian Peterson's fumbling issues is a straw man argument at all. Peterson lost 9 fumbles his second year on 363 carries. Admittedly that's still a lower fumbling rate than Wilson's 3 on 78 carries, but also a much lower sample size. Usually at the running back position, talent wins out, and fumbling can be (in my opinion) correctable. At least to a degree.


Also, I don't think having former success makes you immune to questioning. (ETA: regarding Coughlin)

David Wilson isn't Adrian Peterson. David Wilson isn't Aaron Rodgers. Right now, he's a talented prospect with protection and fumbling issues. That's it. As a RB, at least.

While I think Coughlin was right to take Wilson out, that's not what I was talking about, when suggesting it wrong to question him. I think it is funny when we start talking about what David Wilson needs, in terms of his mental state. When we suggest that we know how to treat a young talented player with issues more than someone who does it for a living, and, at the VERY least, knows David Wilson.

 

[Touchdown There]

But I don't think we can say - as I feel was being suggested - that the Giants had a better chance to win by leaving Wilson in.

The Giants turnover ratio was -5. That game was out of hand anyway and building Wilson's confidence by going back to him and supporting him is the way to build a team during a long season.

 

[Concept Coop]

But I don't think we can say - as I feel was being suggested - that the Giants had a better chance to win by leaving Wilson in.

The Giants turnover ratio was -5. That game was out of hand anyway and building Wilson's confidence by going back to him and supporting him is the way to build a team during a long season.

You don't know David Wilson or what he needs to correct his issues. You don't know what it takes to build a team during a long season.

 

[Khy]

Stick with the "Wilson stinks because he fumbles too much' argument. I don't think there is one single NFL coach, player, or knowledgeable fan who thinks that Scott can be nearly as productive as David Wilson if Wilson hangs on to the ball. I don't think I saw Scott break one tackle. What I saw was some garbage time dump offs where Scott gained decent yardage in the open field that Wilson may have made the first tackler miss and scored on.


You're having a nice performance in this thread by using inarguable points about his blocking and ball security. But you don't want to venture into this territory.

That's not my argument at all. I was questioning the notion that Coughlin hurt his 'chances to win Sunday's game by benching Wilson. Wilson is clearly the better, more talented player, and he doesn't stink. But I don't think we can say - as I feel was being suggested - that the Giants had a better chance to win by leaving Wilson in.

But I don't think we can say - as I feel was being suggested - that the Giants had a better chance to win by leaving Wilson in.

The Giants turnover ratio was -5. That game was out of hand anyway and building Wilson's confidence by going back to him and supporting him is the way to build a team during a long season.

I don't think mentioning Adrian Peterson's fumbling issues is a straw man argument at all. Peterson lost 9 fumbles his second year on 363 carries. Admittedly that's still a lower fumbling rate than Wilson's 3 on 78 carries, but also a much lower sample size. Usually at the running back position, talent wins out, and fumbling can be (in my opinion) correctable. At least to a degree.


Also, I don't think having former success makes you immune to questioning. (ETA: regarding Coughlin)

David Wilson isn't Adrian Peterson. David Wilson isn't Aaron Rodgers. Right now, he's a talented prospect with protection and fumbling issues. That's it. As a RB, at least.

While I think Coughlin was right to take Wilson out, that's not what I was talking about, when suggesting it wrong to question him. I think it is funny when we start talking about what David Wilson needs, in terms of his mental state. When we suggest that we know how to treat a young talented player with issues more than someone who does it for a living, and, at the VERY least, knows David Wilson.

I'd be willing to bet that Coughlin pulled Wilson more for Wilson's protections than the teams or the footballs. After that second fumble there is no way for him to turn it around during that game. The kids confidence was completely shattered. He pulled Wilson to protect him and his obviously fragile psyche. If he had put Wilson back out there and Eli got blown up or god forbid Wilson fumbled again? He risked losing the kid's confidence for the entire season. There was no value to be gained by putting him back out there again. The right choice was what Grandpa Coughlin did, pull him and live to fight another day.

I'd be surprised if the game against the Broncos doesn't begin with a David Wilson run right up the gut and then another run right after it. Coughlin isn't stupid, he understands that the best way for Wilson to build that confidence level up is to get him in there early and let him run the ball without (hopefully) fumbling. If Wilson can string together 1-2 games with no ball security issues and seeing the lions share of the carries then Week 1 will be behind him and he can go out and concentrate on having the breakout season that the Giants players, coaching staff and fans expected him to have coming into this year.

EDIT: Also realize, people keep talking about how Coughlin yelling at him isn't the right way to handle him. Coughlin didn't yell at him after either fumble. In fact after the first fumble Coughlin was seen calmly talking to him on the sidelines. Obviously, there's no way to say for sure what Tom said to him on the sideline. But it was probably something reassuring and nurturing. He only screamed at him on the missed block in the backfield.

 

[msudaisy26]

Not only is David Wilson the worst running back in the NFL, he isn't a good person either because he purposely ruined all those fantasy teams.

The Giants shouldn't even cut him, they should take him out back of the training facility and end it Old Yeller style!

 

[Concept Coop]

I'd be willing to bet that Coughlin pulled Wilson more for Wilson's protections than the teams or the footballs. After that second fumble there is no way for him to turn it around during that game. The kids confidence was completely shattered. He pulled Wilson to protect him and his obviously fragile psyche. If he had put Wilson back out there and Eli got blown up or god forbid Wilson fumbled again? He risked losing the kid's confidence for the entire season. There was no value to be gained by putting him back out there again. The right choice was what Grandpa Coughlin did, pull him and live to fight another day.

I'd be surprised if the game against the Broncos doesn't begin with a David Wilson run right up the gut and then another run right after it. Coughlin isn't stupid, he understands that the best way for Wilson to build that confidence level up is to get him in there early and let him run the ball without (hopefully) fumbling. If Wilson can string together 1-2 games with no ball security issues and seeing the lions share of the carries then Week 1 will be behind him and he can go out and concentrate on having the breakout season that the Giants players, coaching staff and fans expected him to have coming into this year.

EDIT: Also realize, people keep talking about how Coughlin yelling at him isn't the right way to handle him. Coughlin didn't yell at him after either fumble. In fact after the first fumble Coughlin was seen calmly talking to him on the sidelines. Obviously, there's no way to say for sure what Tom said to him on the sideline. But it was probably something reassuring and nurturing. He only screamed at him on the missed block in the backfield.

I agree with most of this, and fully expect Wilson to get plenty of carries.

 

[zamboni]

I'd be surprised if the game against the Broncos doesn't begin with a David Wilson run right up the gut and then another run right after it. Coughlin isn't stupid, he understands that the best way for Wilson to build that confidence level up is to get him in there early and let him run the ball without (hopefully) fumbling.

Just a hunch, but I see a tough love start next week. Guessing Wilson sits for a quarter to let him think about the previous week. Unless Scott is playing well, Coughlin maybe gives him a shot to open the 2nd quarter.

 

[Yenrub]

But I don't think we can say - as I feel was being suggested - that the Giants had a better chance to win by leaving Wilson in.

The Giants turnover ratio was -5. That game was out of hand anyway and building Wilson's confidence by going back to him and supporting him is the way to build a team during a long season.

Out of hand? What game were you watching?

The Giants were down by 6 points with 2 minutes left in the game and had the ball.

 

[Touchdown There]

But I don't think we can say - as I feel was being suggested - that the Giants had a better chance to win by leaving Wilson in.

The Giants turnover ratio was -5. That game was out of hand anyway and building Wilson's confidence by going back to him and supporting him is the way to build a team during a long season.

You don't know David Wilson or what he needs to correct his issues. You don't know what it takes to build a team during a long season.

I know you are the #1 David Wilson hater.

 

[Touchdown There]

But I don't think we can say - as I feel was being suggested - that the Giants had a better chance to win by leaving Wilson in.

The Giants turnover ratio was -5. That game was out of hand anyway and building Wilson's confidence by going back to him and supporting him is the way to build a team during a long season.

Out of hand? What game were you watching?

The Giants were down by 6 points with 2 minutes left in the game and had the ball.

#2

 

[Banger]

Hey all. Wilson's backup was better the other day, therefore Wilson should be benched. I always wondered why AD wasn't benched for Gerhart and why after Flynn broke all the Packers' records he didn't take over for Rodgers.

Don't question TC, after all he has 2 rings. Everyone knows when you win a ring you're infallible. I mean, just look at Switzer, Billick, and Gruden.

Have mercy on those straw men!

I don't think mentioning Adrian Peterson's fumbling issues is a straw man argument at all. Peterson lost 9 fumbles his second year on 363 carries. Admittedly that's still a lower fumbling rate than Wilson's 3 on 78 carries, but also a much lower sample size. Usually at the running back position, talent wins out, and fumbling can be (in my opinion) correctable. At least to a degree.

Also, I don't think having former success makes you immune to questioning. (ETA: regarding Coughlin)

what's the point in questioning it...it is what it is...whether you think it's logical, you agree with how TC has handled or disagree with it...he's the coach and he's going to do things his way. There's no point in questioning it because it's not going to change anything. People can talk about how coach x handled AP or coach y handled Deangelo after their fumbles but it's completely meaningless and has no bearing on this situation and how it will play out.

This is also about pass protection as much as it is fumbling...it's not just one issue.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Buy low window on Wilson closes next week. Take advantage of the panic.

 

[T with T]

lots of wilson haters with no valid argument. It's almost like they are pulling straws but have no valid points whatsoever. Everyone can see Wilson is by far the most talented, best rb on team and gives them the best chance to win by far. Fumbles are a part of the game they happen alot. The rest of the team wasn't so great either esp Sheli.

 

[Hybrid]

lots of wilson haters with no valid argument. It's almost like they are pulling straws but have no valid points whatsoever. Everyone can see Wilson is by far the most talented, best rb on team and gives them the best chance to win by far. Fumbles are a part of the game they happen alot. The rest of the team wasn't so great either esp Sheli.

I don't know, I do think they have valid arguments. I just disagree with them.

 

[Touchdown There]

The valid argument was on his pass blocking. Time for Wilson to stop being a cut down pu ss and man up on the rush.

 

[Banger]

lots of wilson haters with no valid argument. It's almost like they are pulling straws but have no valid points whatsoever. Everyone can see Wilson is by far the most talented, best rb on team and gives them the best chance to win by far. Fumbles are a part of the game they happen alot. The rest of the team wasn't so great either esp Sheli.

there's no valid argument that Wilson has protection issues? there's no valid argument that TC has trust issues with him? Yes, he's the most talented back on the team ....not even a question but talent is not everything. If you can't pass protect and if you can't hold onto the ball you can't play. It happened last year and it happened again this year. This isn't about the rest of the team, it's about him and him learning to do things other than run the ball better. He's a pro ball player with a fragile psyche which isn't the best thing. It's up to him to take responsibility and improve on the areas he needs to improve on. TC doesn't need to hug him or coddle him..he needs to be stronger mentally and not fall apart whenever he makes a mistake.

That's not to say he can't overcome them and that this will be a blip on the radar but he has to improve in those areas or he will be a change of pace back with a more limited role. Look at Moreno, is he more talented than Hillman/Ball? No but he has the trust of the coaching staff to pass protect and do the little things. McGahee was in the same situation in that offense last year and he played the role very well before breaking his leg. I could definitely see him coming in and playing a similar role on the Giants. They'll certainly still give Wilson the ball and bring him along because he is their future but this is not just haters making things up. I am not a hater at all...I think he's talented but I worried about this EXACT situation occuring when I entered this thread a month or so ago.

 

[Khy]

I'd be surprised if the game against the Broncos doesn't begin with a David Wilson run right up the gut and then another run right after it. Coughlin isn't stupid, he understands that the best way for Wilson to build that confidence level up is to get him in there early and let him run the ball without (hopefully) fumbling.

Just a hunch, but I see a tough love start next week. Guessing Wilson sits for a quarter to let him think about the previous week. Unless Scott is playing well, Coughlin maybe gives him a shot to open the 2nd quarter.

Being a Giants homer and following them about as closely as humanly possible year in and year out. I'd be SHOCKED if that's how Coughlin's gameplan is written for this week. Wilson doesn't need to 'think' about the previous week. The whole idea would be to make him completely forget the previous week and put it in the past and instill confidence in the kid. Because that's exactly what Wilson is... a kid. Coughlin isn't going to sit him to 'teach him a lesson' as that's useless and all it will do is destroy him. He fumbled the ball twice and blew a pass block none of which are a reason for Coughlin to "punish him". Reasons Coughlin would sit someone for a quarter to teach them a lesson would include: off-field issues, skipping a team meeting, skipping a practice.

 

[Clifford]

Not only is David Wilson the worst running back in the NFL, he isn't a good person either because he purposely ruined all those fantasy teams.

The Giants shouldn't even cut him, they should take him out back of the training facility and end it Old Yeller style!

Send him to Belize?

 

[zamboni]

I'd be surprised if the game against the Broncos doesn't begin with a David Wilson run right up the gut and then another run right after it. Coughlin isn't stupid, he understands that the best way for Wilson to build that confidence level up is to get him in there early and let him run the ball without (hopefully) fumbling.

Just a hunch, but I see a tough love start next week. Guessing Wilson sits for a quarter to let him think about the previous week. Unless Scott is playing well, Coughlin maybe gives him a shot to open the 2nd quarter.

Being a Giants homer and following them about as closely as humanly possible year in and year out. I'd be SHOCKED if that's how Coughlin's gameplan is written for this week. Wilson doesn't need to 'think' about the previous week. The whole idea would be to make him completely forget the previous week and put it in the past and instill confidence in the kid. Because that's exactly what Wilson is... a kid. Coughlin isn't going to sit him to 'teach him a lesson' as that's useless and all it will do is destroy him. He fumbled the ball twice and blew a pass block none of which are a reason for Coughlin to "punish him". Reasons Coughlin would sit someone for a quarter to teach them a lesson would include: off-field issues, skipping a team meeting, skipping a practice.

I follow the Giants closely as well (live around NYC), and I don't think Coughlin cares about his psyche. He wants the kid to perform, no questions asked. I'm just guessing that Wilson doesn't start, but he may just throw him in there in as well. Who knows. I think a lot depends on how he feels about Scott as well after the last game.

 

[Wrigley]

buy low, right?

 

[Concept Coop]

buy low, right?

Yes.

 

[mphtrilogy]

i might have to start him once again this week.. man is my team bad

 

[monk]

I'd be surprised if the game against the Broncos doesn't begin with a David Wilson run right up the gut and then another run right after it. Coughlin isn't stupid, he understands that the best way for Wilson to build that confidence level up is to get him in there early and let him run the ball without (hopefully) fumbling.

Just a hunch, but I see a tough love start next week. Guessing Wilson sits for a quarter to let him think about the previous week. Unless Scott is playing well, Coughlin maybe gives him a shot to open the 2nd quarter.

Being a Giants homer and following them about as closely as humanly possible year in and year out. I'd be SHOCKED if that's how Coughlin's gameplan is written for this week. Wilson doesn't need to 'think' about the previous week. The whole idea would be to make him completely forget the previous week and put it in the past and instill confidence in the kid. Because that's exactly what Wilson is... a kid. Coughlin isn't going to sit him to 'teach him a lesson' as that's useless and all it will do is destroy him. He fumbled the ball twice and blew a pass block none of which are a reason for Coughlin to "punish him". Reasons Coughlin would sit someone for a quarter to teach them a lesson would include: off-field issues, skipping a team meeting, skipping a practice.

I follow the Giants closely as well (live around NYC), and I don't think Coughlin cares about his psyche. He wants the kid to perform, no questions asked. I'm just guessing that Wilson doesn't start, but he may just throw him in there in as well. Who knows. I think a lot depends on how he feels about Scott as well after the last game.

Agreed ... This is the NFL. If coaches have to worry about hurting someones feeling they dont belong there.

 

[Khy]

I'd be surprised if the game against the Broncos doesn't begin with a David Wilson run right up the gut and then another run right after it. Coughlin isn't stupid, he understands that the best way for Wilson to build that confidence level up is to get him in there early and let him run the ball without (hopefully) fumbling.

Just a hunch, but I see a tough love start next week. Guessing Wilson sits for a quarter to let him think about the previous week. Unless Scott is playing well, Coughlin maybe gives him a shot to open the 2nd quarter.

Being a Giants homer and following them about as closely as humanly possible year in and year out. I'd be SHOCKED if that's how Coughlin's gameplan is written for this week. Wilson doesn't need to 'think' about the previous week. The whole idea would be to make him completely forget the previous week and put it in the past and instill confidence in the kid. Because that's exactly what Wilson is... a kid. Coughlin isn't going to sit him to 'teach him a lesson' as that's useless and all it will do is destroy him. He fumbled the ball twice and blew a pass block none of which are a reason for Coughlin to "punish him". Reasons Coughlin would sit someone for a quarter to teach them a lesson would include: off-field issues, skipping a team meeting, skipping a practice.

I follow the Giants closely as well (live around NYC), and I don't think Coughlin cares about his psyche. He wants the kid to perform, no questions asked. I'm just guessing that Wilson doesn't start, but he may just throw him in there in as well. Who knows. I think a lot depends on how he feels about Scott as well after the last game.

Agreed ... This is the NFL. If coaches have to worry about hurting someones feeling they dont belong there.

It's not about not hurting his feelings, it's about instilling confidence in a young kid with an extreme talent. As someone else mentioned in this thread. Adrian Peterson had TONS of fumbling issues early in his career and there was never this kind of frenzy around his fumbling issues. Peterson had 20 fumbles in his first 3 seasons in the NFL and he's had 6 in his four seasons since. People just need to relax on this entire situation and really take a step back and breath. Everyone is jumping the gun here assuming that Coughlin's just going to bench the kid if he fumbles again all season. It's not going to happen. Like Coughlin has said multiple times since the Sunday night game. THEY NEED HIM.

He didn't get over his fumbling issues by being benched to "team him a lesson" he got over them through coaching and just giving him the opportunity to succeed over and over again.

 

[chad in Indy]

I know it's early, but any updates as to the vets they've brought in to look at, and if so, a timetable from a decision to when they would be eligilbe via any NFL rules. I guess I need some clarity on if they were to sign someone today, would they be eligible to play as early as this upcoming weekend? Thanks.

 

[Spike]

Not only is David Wilson the worst running back in the NFL, he isn't a good person either because he purposely ruined all those fantasy teams.

The Giants shouldn't even cut him, they should take him out back of the training facility and end it Old Yeller style!

You're a funny dude...

 

[KellysHeroes]

Offered Miles Austin for him, waiting to hear back

 

[Eminence]

I'd be surprised if the game against the Broncos doesn't begin with a David Wilson run right up the gut and then another run right after it. Coughlin isn't stupid, he understands that the best way for Wilson to build that confidence level up is to get him in there early and let him run the ball without (hopefully) fumbling.

Just a hunch, but I see a tough love start next week. Guessing Wilson sits for a quarter to let him think about the previous week. Unless Scott is playing well, Coughlin maybe gives him a shot to open the 2nd quarter.

Being a Giants homer and following them about as closely as humanly possible year in and year out. I'd be SHOCKED if that's how Coughlin's gameplan is written for this week. Wilson doesn't need to 'think' about the previous week. The whole idea would be to make him completely forget the previous week and put it in the past and instill confidence in the kid. Because that's exactly what Wilson is... a kid. Coughlin isn't going to sit him to 'teach him a lesson' as that's useless and all it will do is destroy him. He fumbled the ball twice and blew a pass block none of which are a reason for Coughlin to "punish him". Reasons Coughlin would sit someone for a quarter to teach them a lesson would include: off-field issues, skipping a team meeting, skipping a practice.

I follow the Giants closely as well (live around NYC), and I don't think Coughlin cares about his psyche. He wants the kid to perform, no questions asked. I'm just guessing that Wilson doesn't start, but he may just throw him in there in as well. Who knows. I think a lot depends on how he feels about Scott as well after the last game.

Agreed ... This is the NFL. If coaches have to worry about hurting someones feeling they dont belong there.

It's not about not hurting his feelings, it's about instilling confidence in a young kid with an extreme talent. As someone else mentioned in this thread. Adrian Peterson had TONS of fumbling issues early in his career and there was never this kind of frenzy around his fumbling issues. Peterson had 20 fumbles in his first 3 seasons in the NFL and he's had 6 in his four seasons since. People just need to relax on this entire situation and really take a step back and breath. Everyone is jumping the gun here assuming that Coughlin's just going to bench the kid if he fumbles again all season. It's not going to happen. Like Coughlin has said multiple times since the Sunday night game. THEY NEED HIM.

He didn't get over his fumbling issues by being benched to "team him a lesson" he got over them through coaching and just giving him the opportunity to succeed over and over again.

They don't need him, more importantly they need someone who's going to keep Eli Manning standing upright. Wilson will be a great COP back.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Now that he isn't over-hyped anymore, any other offers you guys are sending/recieving?

 

[Clifford]

Coughlin says they need him, but what does he know?

 

[ShaHBucks]

I'd be surprised if the game against the Broncos doesn't begin with a David Wilson run right up the gut and then another run right after it. Coughlin isn't stupid, he understands that the best way for Wilson to build that confidence level up is to get him in there early and let him run the ball without (hopefully) fumbling.

Just a hunch, but I see a tough love start next week. Guessing Wilson sits for a quarter to let him think about the previous week. Unless Scott is playing well, Coughlin maybe gives him a shot to open the 2nd quarter.

Being a Giants homer and following them about as closely as humanly possible year in and year out. I'd be SHOCKED if that's how Coughlin's gameplan is written for this week. Wilson doesn't need to 'think' about the previous week. The whole idea would be to make him completely forget the previous week and put it in the past and instill confidence in the kid. Because that's exactly what Wilson is... a kid. Coughlin isn't going to sit him to 'teach him a lesson' as that's useless and all it will do is destroy him. He fumbled the ball twice and blew a pass block none of which are a reason for Coughlin to "punish him". Reasons Coughlin would sit someone for a quarter to teach them a lesson would include: off-field issues, skipping a team meeting, skipping a practice.

I follow the Giants closely as well (live around NYC), and I don't think Coughlin cares about his psyche. He wants the kid to perform, no questions asked. I'm just guessing that Wilson doesn't start, but he may just throw him in there in as well. Who knows. I think a lot depends on how he feels about Scott as well after the last game.

Spot on about Coughlin.

 

[Eminence]

Coughlin says they need him, but what does he know?

Pretty sure Eli Manning can carry this team on his back. Erase Wilson's fumbles and the Giants win this game. I am willing to bet if Wilson never took a snap they would have won. Ever hear of Coach Speak?

Sure, he wants Wilson to be the player the 49 page hype thread thinks he can be. But Wilson imo, is a player who's going to spark off a few long runs against ####ty defenses.

 

[Concept Coop]

Now that he isn't over-hyped anymore, any other offers you guys are sending/recieving?

I was offered my Lacy for his Wilson in a dyansty PPR.

I offered L.Miller/Tavon for Wilson/Decker, but was turned down, in another dynasty PPR format.

 

[Touchdown There]

They don't need him.

That is the exact opposite of what Coughlin said. They do need him, no matter your personal feelings.

 

[monk]

I'd be surprised if the game against the Broncos doesn't begin with a David Wilson run right up the gut and then another run right after it. Coughlin isn't stupid, he understands that the best way for Wilson to build that confidence level up is to get him in there early and let him run the ball without (hopefully) fumbling.

Just a hunch, but I see a tough love start next week. Guessing Wilson sits for a quarter to let him think about the previous week. Unless Scott is playing well, Coughlin maybe gives him a shot to open the 2nd quarter.

Being a Giants homer and following them about as closely as humanly possible year in and year out. I'd be SHOCKED if that's how Coughlin's gameplan is written for this week. Wilson doesn't need to 'think' about the previous week. The whole idea would be to make him completely forget the previous week and put it in the past and instill confidence in the kid. Because that's exactly what Wilson is... a kid. Coughlin isn't going to sit him to 'teach him a lesson' as that's useless and all it will do is destroy him. He fumbled the ball twice and blew a pass block none of which are a reason for Coughlin to "punish him". Reasons Coughlin would sit someone for a quarter to teach them a lesson would include: off-field issues, skipping a team meeting, skipping a practice.

I follow the Giants closely as well (live around NYC), and I don't think Coughlin cares about his psyche. He wants the kid to perform, no questions asked. I'm just guessing that Wilson doesn't start, but he may just throw him in there in as well. Who knows. I think a lot depends on how he feels about Scott as well after the last game.

Agreed ... This is the NFL. If coaches have to worry about hurting someones feeling they dont belong there.

It's not about not hurting his feelings, it's about instilling confidence in a young kid with an extreme talent. As someone else mentioned in this thread. Adrian Peterson had TONS of fumbling issues early in his career and there was never this kind of frenzy around his fumbling issues. Peterson had 20 fumbles in his first 3 seasons in the NFL and he's had 6 in his four seasons since. People just need to relax on this entire situation and really take a step back and breath. Everyone is jumping the gun here assuming that Coughlin's just going to bench the kid if he fumbles again all season. It's not going to happen. Like Coughlin has said multiple times since the Sunday night game. THEY NEED HIM.

He didn't get over his fumbling issues by being benched to "team him a lesson" he got over them through coaching and just giving him the opportunity to succeed over and over again.

Stop comparing him to Peterson ...Peterson was a once in a decade talent

Started from game 1 of his rookie season, broke the single game rushing record as a rookie ...he was already established before he had fumbling issues and he never had a problem with pass protection

 

[Eminence]

They don't need him.

That is the exact opposite of what Coughlin said. They do need him, no matter your personal feelings.

Is that why they were an onside kick recovery away from potentially winning the game? It's coachspeak, Coughlin doesn't want to give up on Wilson and isn't going to bury him in front of the media. But considering the margin of defeat and the fact Wilson lost two-fumbles (one returned for a touchdown).

I would wager to say that the Giants DON'T need Wilson and could have won that game with Da'rel Scott starting at Halfback. Addition by subtraction in this particular matchup.

 

[Eminence]

They don't need him.

That is the exact opposite of what Coughlin said. They do need him, no matter your personal feelings.

You act like Eli and Coughlin have never won anything without that spazz carrying the ball.

 

[Khy]

I'd be surprised if the game against the Broncos doesn't begin with a David Wilson run right up the gut and then another run right after it. Coughlin isn't stupid, he understands that the best way for Wilson to build that confidence level up is to get him in there early and let him run the ball without (hopefully) fumbling.

Just a hunch, but I see a tough love start next week. Guessing Wilson sits for a quarter to let him think about the previous week. Unless Scott is playing well, Coughlin maybe gives him a shot to open the 2nd quarter.

Being a Giants homer and following them about as closely as humanly possible year in and year out. I'd be SHOCKED if that's how Coughlin's gameplan is written for this week. Wilson doesn't need to 'think' about the previous week. The whole idea would be to make him completely forget the previous week and put it in the past and instill confidence in the kid. Because that's exactly what Wilson is... a kid. Coughlin isn't going to sit him to 'teach him a lesson' as that's useless and all it will do is destroy him. He fumbled the ball twice and blew a pass block none of which are a reason for Coughlin to "punish him". Reasons Coughlin would sit someone for a quarter to teach them a lesson would include: off-field issues, skipping a team meeting, skipping a practice.

I follow the Giants closely as well (live around NYC), and I don't think Coughlin cares about his psyche. He wants the kid to perform, no questions asked. I'm just guessing that Wilson doesn't start, but he may just throw him in there in as well. Who knows. I think a lot depends on how he feels about Scott as well after the last game.

Agreed ... This is the NFL. If coaches have to worry about hurting someones feeling they dont belong there.

It's not about not hurting his feelings, it's about instilling confidence in a young kid with an extreme talent. As someone else mentioned in this thread. Adrian Peterson had TONS of fumbling issues early in his career and there was never this kind of frenzy around his fumbling issues. Peterson had 20 fumbles in his first 3 seasons in the NFL and he's had 6 in his four seasons since. People just need to relax on this entire situation and really take a step back and breath. Everyone is jumping the gun here assuming that Coughlin's just going to bench the kid if he fumbles again all season. It's not going to happen. Like Coughlin has said multiple times since the Sunday night game. THEY NEED HIM.

He didn't get over his fumbling issues by being benched to "team him a lesson" he got over them through coaching and just giving him the opportunity to succeed over and over again.

Stop comparing him to Peterson ...Peterson was a once in a decade talent

Started from game 1 of his rookie season, broke the single game rushing record as a rookie ...he was already established before he had fumbling issues and he never had a problem with pass protection

Umm... no? It's a perfectly reasonable comparison. And you're also completely wrong about his not having a pass protection problem. Here's his 2007 draft profile.

2007 Predraft Analysis: Three-year starter at Oklahoma who rushed 747 times for 4,306 yards and 41 touchdowns …Had his best rushing season as a true freshman (339-2,040-15) …Missed time in each of his three years – suffering a shoulder injury in 2004, a high ankle sprain in 2005 and a broken collarbone in 2006 … Finished second in the Heisman Trophy balloting as a sophomore … Was a frontrunner for the Heisman before breaking his collarbone … Refuses to go down easily and is willing to fight to break tackles … Is rarely straightened up on first contact and usually picks up at least a couple of yards after the first hit … Has very good speed and can bounce runs to the outside, although his bread and butter is up the middle … Has little experience as a pass blocker or receiver because of the system he played in … Injury history has to be a concern, but none of them have been structural injuries to his knees or feet … Has thin lower body that could use more muscle … Takes a lot of hits, many times because he initiates them … Earned his bone at the Combine, running a 4.40 40 (tied for best among RBs), with a 38½ inch vertical jump (second) and a 10-7 broad jump (tied for first).

Peterson had next to no experience in pass blocking coming into the NFL and had major fumbling issues as well. And they were fixed. Saying "Stop comparing him to Peterson, Peterson was a once in a decade talent" is ridiculous. I'm in no way saying he is Adrian Peterson. But... Peterson had just as many issues with pass blocking and just as many if not more issues with fumbling. We evaluate players by comparing them to other players... that's part of the evaluation process. Wilson just like Peterson is immensely talented, has ball security issues and pass blocking issues. Whether Wilson puts it all together or not remains yet to be seen. But ignoring the fact that Peterson had all these issues is a crock and one of those "hindsight is 20/20" type of things. Just because we now consider Peterson one of the best RBs of all time doesn't mean there weren't tons of questions surrounding him coming into the NFL. In 3 years David Wilson might be a journeyman backup in the NFl... or he might be in that conversation as one of the greats of this generation. We don't know how the story will unfold right now but people in this thread are making egregious conclusions that are literally the complete opposite of everything the coaching staff is saying and showing.

 

[massraider]

They don't need him.

That is the exact opposite of what Coughlin said. They do need him, no matter your personal feelings.

You act like Eli and Coughlin have never won anything without that spazz carrying the ball.

When they did, they had a running game. So they need a running game.

He's their most talented back. Right now, he does seem like their best shot at a running game. I do think Coughlin was right to bench him, but I think Coughlin will give him the ball again next week. And hold his breath,

 

[Eminence]

I'd be surprised if the game against the Broncos doesn't begin with a David Wilson run right up the gut and then another run right after it. Coughlin isn't stupid, he understands that the best way for Wilson to build that confidence level up is to get him in there early and let him run the ball without (hopefully) fumbling.

Just a hunch, but I see a tough love start next week. Guessing Wilson sits for a quarter to let him think about the previous week. Unless Scott is playing well, Coughlin maybe gives him a shot to open the 2nd quarter.

Being a Giants homer and following them about as closely as humanly possible year in and year out. I'd be SHOCKED if that's how Coughlin's gameplan is written for this week. Wilson doesn't need to 'think' about the previous week. The whole idea would be to make him completely forget the previous week and put it in the past and instill confidence in the kid. Because that's exactly what Wilson is... a kid. Coughlin isn't going to sit him to 'teach him a lesson' as that's useless and all it will do is destroy him. He fumbled the ball twice and blew a pass block none of which are a reason for Coughlin to "punish him". Reasons Coughlin would sit someone for a quarter to teach them a lesson would include: off-field issues, skipping a team meeting, skipping a practice.

I follow the Giants closely as well (live around NYC), and I don't think Coughlin cares about his psyche. He wants the kid to perform, no questions asked. I'm just guessing that Wilson doesn't start, but he may just throw him in there in as well. Who knows. I think a lot depends on how he feels about Scott as well after the last game.

Agreed ... This is the NFL. If coaches have to worry about hurting someones feeling they dont belong there.

It's not about not hurting his feelings, it's about instilling confidence in a young kid with an extreme talent. As someone else mentioned in this thread. Adrian Peterson had TONS of fumbling issues early in his career and there was never this kind of frenzy around his fumbling issues. Peterson had 20 fumbles in his first 3 seasons in the NFL and he's had 6 in his four seasons since. People just need to relax on this entire situation and really take a step back and breath. Everyone is jumping the gun here assuming that Coughlin's just going to bench the kid if he fumbles again all season. It's not going to happen. Like Coughlin has said multiple times since the Sunday night game. THEY NEED HIM.

He didn't get over his fumbling issues by being benched to "team him a lesson" he got over them through coaching and just giving him the opportunity to succeed over and over again.

Stop comparing him to Peterson ...Peterson was a once in a decade talent

Started from game 1 of his rookie season, broke the single game rushing record as a rookie ...he was already established before he had fumbling issues and he never had a problem with pass protection

Umm... no? It's a perfectly reasonable comparison. And you're also completely wrong about his not having a pass protection problem. Here's his 2007 draft profile.

2007 Predraft Analysis: Three-year starter at Oklahoma who rushed 747 times for 4,306 yards and 41 touchdowns …Had his best rushing season as a true freshman (339-2,040-15) …Missed time in each of his three years – suffering a shoulder injury in 2004, a high ankle sprain in 2005 and a broken collarbone in 2006 … Finished second in the Heisman Trophy balloting as a sophomore … Was a frontrunner for the Heisman before breaking his collarbone … Refuses to go down easily and is willing to fight to break tackles … Is rarely straightened up on first contact and usually picks up at least a couple of yards after the first hit … Has very good speed and can bounce runs to the outside, although his bread and butter is up the middle … Has little experience as a pass blocker or receiver because of the system he played in … Injury history has to be a concern, but none of them have been structural injuries to his knees or feet … Has thin lower body that could use more muscle … Takes a lot of hits, many times because he initiates them … Earned his bone at the Combine, running a 4.40 40 (tied for best among RBs), with a 38½ inch vertical jump (second) and a 10-7 broad jump (tied for first).

Peterson had next to no experience in pass blocking coming into the NFL and had major fumbling issues as well. And they were fixed. Saying "Stop comparing him to Peterson, Peterson was a once in a decade talent" is ridiculous. I'm in no way saying he is Adrian Peterson. But... Peterson had just as many issues with pass blocking and just as many if not more issues with fumbling. We evaluate players by comparing them to other players... that's part of the evaluation process. Wilson just like Peterson is immensely talented, has ball security issues and pass blocking issues. Whether Wilson puts it all together or not remains yet to be seen. But ignoring the fact that Peterson had all these issues is a crock and one of those "hindsight is 20/20" type of things. Just because we now consider Peterson one of the best RBs of all time doesn't mean there weren't tons of questions surrounding him coming into the NFL. In 3 years David Wilson might be a journeyman backup in the NFl... or he might be in that conversation as one of the greats of this generation. We don't know how the story will unfold right now but people in this thread are making egregious conclusions that are literally the complete opposite of everything the coaching staff is saying and showing.

Fine, by that arbitrary wall of text you found they are comparable.

But as far as players and the way the both play the game on any given Sunday, they are completely different. Peterson can carry the entire offense on his back, which is why they gave him a chance to shake off the fumbles.

 

[weebs]

I offered garcon and mendenhall for him. He likes it but is waiting until waivers clear. He needs a wr so im burning my #2 waiver to grab edelman as a block.

 

[Khy]

I'd be surprised if the game against the Broncos doesn't begin with a David Wilson run right up the gut and then another run right after it. Coughlin isn't stupid, he understands that the best way for Wilson to build that confidence level up is to get him in there early and let him run the ball without (hopefully) fumbling.

Just a hunch, but I see a tough love start next week. Guessing Wilson sits for a quarter to let him think about the previous week. Unless Scott is playing well, Coughlin maybe gives him a shot to open the 2nd quarter.

Being a Giants homer and following them about as closely as humanly possible year in and year out. I'd be SHOCKED if that's how Coughlin's gameplan is written for this week. Wilson doesn't need to 'think' about the previous week. The whole idea would be to make him completely forget the previous week and put it in the past and instill confidence in the kid. Because that's exactly what Wilson is... a kid. Coughlin isn't going to sit him to 'teach him a lesson' as that's useless and all it will do is destroy him. He fumbled the ball twice and blew a pass block none of which are a reason for Coughlin to "punish him". Reasons Coughlin would sit someone for a quarter to teach them a lesson would include: off-field issues, skipping a team meeting, skipping a practice.

I follow the Giants closely as well (live around NYC), and I don't think Coughlin cares about his psyche. He wants the kid to perform, no questions asked. I'm just guessing that Wilson doesn't start, but he may just throw him in there in as well. Who knows. I think a lot depends on how he feels about Scott as well after the last game.

Agreed ... This is the NFL. If coaches have to worry about hurting someones feeling they dont belong there.

It's not about not hurting his feelings, it's about instilling confidence in a young kid with an extreme talent. As someone else mentioned in this thread. Adrian Peterson had TONS of fumbling issues early in his career and there was never this kind of frenzy around his fumbling issues. Peterson had 20 fumbles in his first 3 seasons in the NFL and he's had 6 in his four seasons since. People just need to relax on this entire situation and really take a step back and breath. Everyone is jumping the gun here assuming that Coughlin's just going to bench the kid if he fumbles again all season. It's not going to happen. Like Coughlin has said multiple times since the Sunday night game. THEY NEED HIM.

He didn't get over his fumbling issues by being benched to "team him a lesson" he got over them through coaching and just giving him the opportunity to succeed over and over again.

Stop comparing him to Peterson ...Peterson was a once in a decade talent

Started from game 1 of his rookie season, broke the single game rushing record as a rookie ...he was already established before he had fumbling issues and he never had a problem with pass protection

Umm... no? It's a perfectly reasonable comparison. And you're also completely wrong about his not having a pass protection problem. Here's his 2007 draft profile.

2007 Predraft Analysis: Three-year starter at Oklahoma who rushed 747 times for 4,306 yards and 41 touchdowns …Had his best rushing season as a true freshman (339-2,040-15) …Missed time in each of his three years – suffering a shoulder injury in 2004, a high ankle sprain in 2005 and a broken collarbone in 2006 … Finished second in the Heisman Trophy balloting as a sophomore … Was a frontrunner for the Heisman before breaking his collarbone … Refuses to go down easily and is willing to fight to break tackles … Is rarely straightened up on first contact and usually picks up at least a couple of yards after the first hit … Has very good speed and can bounce runs to the outside, although his bread and butter is up the middle … Has little experience as a pass blocker or receiver because of the system he played in … Injury history has to be a concern, but none of them have been structural injuries to his knees or feet … Has thin lower body that could use more muscle … Takes a lot of hits, many times because he initiates them … Earned his bone at the Combine, running a 4.40 40 (tied for best among RBs), with a 38½ inch vertical jump (second) and a 10-7 broad jump (tied for first).

Peterson had next to no experience in pass blocking coming into the NFL and had major fumbling issues as well. And they were fixed. Saying "Stop comparing him to Peterson, Peterson was a once in a decade talent" is ridiculous. I'm in no way saying he is Adrian Peterson. But... Peterson had just as many issues with pass blocking and just as many if not more issues with fumbling. We evaluate players by comparing them to other players... that's part of the evaluation process. Wilson just like Peterson is immensely talented, has ball security issues and pass blocking issues. Whether Wilson puts it all together or not remains yet to be seen. But ignoring the fact that Peterson had all these issues is a crock and one of those "hindsight is 20/20" type of things. Just because we now consider Peterson one of the best RBs of all time doesn't mean there weren't tons of questions surrounding him coming into the NFL. In 3 years David Wilson might be a journeyman backup in the NFl... or he might be in that conversation as one of the greats of this generation. We don't know how the story will unfold right now but people in this thread are making egregious conclusions that are literally the complete opposite of everything the coaching staff is saying and showing.

Fine, by that arbitrary wall of text you found they are comparable.

But as far as players and the way the both play the game on any given Sunday, they are completely different. Peterson can carry the entire offense on his back, which is why they gave him a chance to shake off the fumbles.

You guys are really funny... man. People just ignore history on these forums in favor of what they know now as if it never happened. Peterson never had fumbling issues and never had pass blocking issues. The fact that they actually existed is clearly arbitrary because they don't exist now. Never mind the fact that those issues existed for several of his early seasons and he got past them because the coaching staff allowed him the time to develop and get past them. The "arbitrary wall of test I found" is from Scout.com whom if I recall gets their information from prior NFL.com pre-draft profiles.

Go find the old ADP threads from before the start of the 2007 season. They were about as big as this Wilson thread and just as many people were saying stuff about his fumbling getting him in trouble and he was clearly to injury prone to be a NFL success etc. etc.

The simple fact is WE-DON'T-KNOW how young players will turn out until they turn out that way. Wilson has all the talent in the world to end his career considered one of this generations best RBs. He has some problems him and the Giants coaches need to work through though. But to sit here and say that they were a better team when he left the field on Sunday and that he was the reason they were losing is ridiculous. Cause I guess you're just ignoring Eli's INT on the first play of the game or his INT at mid-field or the other one that was a pick 6 returned for a TD.

For some reason people in this thread just want to ignore certain facts to form their opinion that it's already time to throw in the towel on Wilson. It's completely ridiculous and honestly, I wish you guys were in my dynasty leagues cause all of my dynasty owners won't even sell him for what would have been considered a decent trade before Sunday's debacle. You're all over-reacting.

 

[mphtrilogy]

They need to nurse Wilson thru this issue, but Couighlin is so Old School, I think he makes Wilson event more nervous based on the size of the doghouse from last year.

They are gonna need Wilson more than last year, but what no coach will tolerate is consistent fumbles..

I hope he gets another crack at the starting gig again this week and does well.. I really need him...

 

[Eminence]

You guys are really funny... man. People just ignore history on these forums in favor of what they know now as if it never happened. Peterson never had fumbling issues and never had pass blocking issues. The fact that they actually existed is clearly arbitrary because they don't exist now. Never mind the fact that those issues existed for several of his early seasons and he got past them because the coaching staff allowed him the time to develop and get past them. The "arbitrary wall of test I found" is from Scout.com whom if I recall gets their information from prior NFL.com pre-draft profiles.

Go find the old ADP threads from before the start of the 2007 season. They were about as big as this Wilson thread and just as many people were saying stuff about his fumbling getting him in trouble and he was clearly to injury prone to be a NFL success etc. etc.

The simple fact is WE-DON'T-KNOW how young players will turn out until they turn out that way. Wilson has all the talent in the world to end his career considered one of this generations best RBs. He has some problems him and the Giants coaches need to work through though. But to sit here and say that they were a better team when he left the field on Sunday and that he was the reason they were losing is ridiculous. Cause I guess you're just ignoring Eli's INT on the first play of the game or his INT at mid-field or the other one that was a pick 6 returned for a TD.

For some reason people in this thread just want to ignore certain facts to form their opinion that it's already time to throw in the towel on Wilson. It's completely ridiculous and honestly, I wish you guys were in my dynasty leagues cause all of my dynasty owners won't even sell him for what would have been considered a decent trade before Sunday's debacle. You're all over-reacting.

Huh? Ignore what history? I've been saying Wilson was gonna bust the entire off-season.

Wilson and Peterson's situations are completely different and I don't think YOU understand History. Peterson was already proven to be a stud Running Back, someone who could literally take control of games and use individual effort to pick up yards when his fumbling issues arose. All Wilson has shown is the ability to create long plays similar to Jerious Norwood or Leon Washington, based on speed alone.

The only thing these two have in common is fumbling issues. I don't care what scout.com says, use your own personal judgement and more imporantly common sense when it comes to player evaluation.

Take that to the bank brohan.

 

[Khy]

You guys are really funny... man. People just ignore history on these forums in favor of what they know now as if it never happened. Peterson never had fumbling issues and never had pass blocking issues. The fact that they actually existed is clearly arbitrary because they don't exist now. Never mind the fact that those issues existed for several of his early seasons and he got past them because the coaching staff allowed him the time to develop and get past them. The "arbitrary wall of test I found" is from Scout.com whom if I recall gets their information from prior NFL.com pre-draft profiles.

Go find the old ADP threads from before the start of the 2007 season. They were about as big as this Wilson thread and just as many people were saying stuff about his fumbling getting him in trouble and he was clearly to injury prone to be a NFL success etc. etc.

The simple fact is WE-DON'T-KNOW how young players will turn out until they turn out that way. Wilson has all the talent in the world to end his career considered one of this generations best RBs. He has some problems him and the Giants coaches need to work through though. But to sit here and say that they were a better team when he left the field on Sunday and that he was the reason they were losing is ridiculous. Cause I guess you're just ignoring Eli's INT on the first play of the game or his INT at mid-field or the other one that was a pick 6 returned for a TD.

For some reason people in this thread just want to ignore certain facts to form their opinion that it's already time to throw in the towel on Wilson. It's completely ridiculous and honestly, I wish you guys were in my dynasty leagues cause all of my dynasty owners won't even sell him for what would have been considered a decent trade before Sunday's debacle. You're all over-reacting.

Huh? Ignore what history? I've been saying Wilson was gonna bust the entire off-season.

Wilson and Peterson's situations are completely different and I don't think YOU understand History. Peterson was already proven to be a stud Running Back, someone who could literally take control of games and use individual effort to pick up yards when his fumbling issues arose. All Wilson has shown is the ability to create long plays similar to Jerious Norwood or Leon Washington, based on speed alone.

The only thing these two have in common is fumbling issues. I don't care what scout.com says, use your own personal judgement and more imporantly common sense when it comes to player evaluation.

Take that to the bank brohan.

Nobody... I repeat... Nobody coming into the NFL is a "proven stud". That's ridiculous... every single year there are 10x the amount of busts in the NFL draft as their are "proven studs". For every Adrian Peterson, Calvin Johnson and Peyton Manning there is a Ki-Jana Carter, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Charles Rodgers, etc.

Nobody is a proven stud... that isn't a term that exists coming into the NFL. Sure there are people that we can be higher on than others but everyone... EVERYONE has questions and the opportunity to fail before the NFL.

The fact that you somehow fail to recognize this pure fact makes me value what you've been saying even less than I already did. I won't even get into your analysis of how all Wilson has shown is speed which literally couldn't be any further from the truth and proves once again that you actually know nothing about the situation and are hating on the player and the situation just to hate.