Warrior
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I guess someone forgot to tell the Giants That They wanted to win this week
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
Not a must win until they have 7 or 8 losses this division is horrible
Avery
Footballguy
It's his fault when Eli gets sacked, even when he's not on the field, and now a hold that called back a 17 yard run is his fault because he bounced it outside to make a play. Absolutely fantastic!
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
The Giants won two Super Bowls in spite of Manning and Coughlin, not because of them.
Max Power
Footballguy
The OT blocked the DE to the outside, when Wilson bounced it out (which he didn't have to) it was easy for the refs to see jersey when the DE tried to break off the block. Not saying its Wilson's fault, but he didn't do his lineman any favors by not hitting the assigned hole
It's his fault when Eli gets sacked, even when he's not on the field, and now a hold that called back a 17 yard run is his fault because he bounced it outside to make a play. Absolutely fantastic!
msudaisy26
Footballguy
The first one I think they won because of their line and some the buttons Coughlin pushed in season, like playing all his starters the last game of the regular season against New England when they had nothing to gain. The second title was because of Eli, that team would have won 4 games that season if not for him. It was by far and away his best season as a pro, the team was last in rushing and one of the bottom in defense. Now their defense and rushing were much better in the playoffs but they don't even sniff the playoffs without Eli that season
NCPanthersFan
Footballguy
Don't think I can take anymore "buy low" advice from pundits. Both Wilson and Lamar Miller.
Rove!
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Can we close this thread now?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Why would a thread about an active, controversial player be closed? He's going to continue to be a hotly debated dynasty asset for a long time, whether he ends up being useful in redraft or not.
The people posting in the thread are making it awful, not the thread or thread topic itself.
The people posting in the thread are making it awful, not the thread or thread topic itself.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
So I bought low on him before the game with Benard Pierce. What have I got myself into...
msudaisy26
Footballguy
What we have really learned about Wilson, is he isn't quite ready to be the guy. He isn't able to carry a team on his back no matter how bad they are, he probably would be a good back on a good football team, but right now the Giants aren't even an average football team.
On a side note, the entire Giants team is going to benched fantasy wise if they keep this up.
On a side note, the entire Giants team is going to benched fantasy wise if they keep this up.
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
This week showed I need to stick to my rule of not drafting Giants players, even though I'm a die-hard. I feel it can cloud your true judgement on the players, and this year it killed me. I took Wilson with a high 2nd rd pick instead of stud WR, and boy am I going to pay the price. I later took Nicks as my #2 WR in Rd 6. Unfortunately, some "value" picks that "experts" like those here at Footballguys convinced me to go get (Britt and Vincent Brown) will be waiver wire bait this week. So much for depth I thought I had.
I think Wilson has ability to make a difference, but he needs to be in a 2-back committee. Andre Brown, meh; not sure why he was considered a reliable back to pair up with Wilson. Up until last season, he was a journeyman. Of course, it doesn't matter when your O-line is doing an Ole' and allows the defense to be in the backfield a second after the hand off.
I think Wilson has ability to make a difference, but he needs to be in a 2-back committee. Andre Brown, meh; not sure why he was considered a reliable back to pair up with Wilson. Up until last season, he was a journeyman. Of course, it doesn't matter when your O-line is doing an Ole' and allows the defense to be in the backfield a second after the hand off.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Good news with the Brandon Jacobs signing is that even though he isn't working out as a running back you can probably give him a try out at guard next.
Khy
Footballguy
If you watched the game you could tell it wasn't a problem with Wilson. If anything... he was the lone bright spot in this game. Every single play was blown up from the offensive lines completely pathetic excuse. Right now this offense reminds me of the Bears for a year or two ago. Where they had all the right parts on offense but the o-line was such garbage they couldn't do anything. If the O-line starts clicking... Wilson and the rest of the offense has value. If they don't though it's just going to be a really long long season.Eminence said:
There wasn't more than 1 carry while the game was still within reach that wasn't blown up in the backfield right after the hand off. Scott was PATHETIC in pass protection and lead to 2 sacks of Eli. Wilson was significantly better than him all game. Which should lead to more and more playing time for Wilson. Jacobs literally looked like he was using a walker to move around. So that should also lead to more playing time for Wilson. The problem right now is if this offensive line can possibly start to click in order to make some room for him to run. I don't care if you're Adrian Peterson or John Candy... you're not running ANYWHERE when there are 2-3 defenders past the line of scrimmage before the handoff is even completed.
Personally, I think Gilbride needs to try and make running room with better play calling. Call some screens and tosses to try and get Wilson in space. I'm not even sure that I've seen more than 1-2 off tackle rushes all season for the team.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I disagree with you and the announcers on that play. The LBer looked poised to make the tackle if Wilson cut inside. He scored a TD running outside so clearly it wasn't a bad decision to make it to the edge. The OT didn't even need to grab jersey at all. All he had to do was let go and there was no way his guy could have gotten to Wilson. It was clearly the OT's fault. Blaming that in any way on Wilson is beyond stupid.The OT blocked the DE to the outside, when Wilson bounced it out (which he didn't have to) it was easy for the refs to see jersey when the DE tried to break off the block. Not saying its Wilson's fault, but he didn't do his lineman any favors by not hitting the assigned hole
It's his fault when Eli gets sacked, even when he's not on the field, and now a hold that called back a 17 yard run is his fault because he bounced it outside to make a play. Absolutely fantastic!
Avery
Footballguy
I disagree with you and the announcers on that play. The LBer looked poised to make the tackle if Wilson cut inside. He scored a TD running outside so clearly it wasn't a bad decision to make it to the edge. The OT didn't even need to grab jersey at all. All he had to do was let go and there was no way his guy could have gotten to Wilson. It was clearly the OT's fault. Blaming that in any way on Wilson is beyond stupid.The OT blocked the DE to the outside, when Wilson bounced it out (which he didn't have to) it was easy for the refs to see jersey when the DE tried to break off the block. Not saying its Wilson's fault, but he didn't do his lineman any favors by not hitting the assigned hole
It's his fault when Eli gets sacked, even when he's not on the field, and now a hold that called back a 17 yard run is his fault because he bounced it outside to make a play. Absolutely fantastic!
The microscope and the predetermined conclusion by some that Wilson did something wrong on every play and if we just look hard enough we'll find it, has gotten beyond ridiculous.
A sack is his fault.
An interception is his fault.
A TD run called back for holding is his fault.
Insanity.
Weird, i thought the Giants got shut out today.I disagree with you and the announcers on that play. The LBer looked poised to make the tackle if Wilson cut inside. He scored a TD running outside so clearly it wasn't a bad decision to make it to the edge. The OT didn't even need to grab jersey at all. All he had to do was let go and there was no way his guy could have gotten to Wilson. It was clearly the OT's fault. Blaming that in any way on Wilson is beyond stupid.The OT blocked the DE to the outside, when Wilson bounced it out (which he didn't have to) it was easy for the refs to see jersey when the DE tried to break off the block. Not saying its Wilson's fault, but he didn't do his lineman any favors by not hitting the assigned hole
Khy
Footballguy
Did you watch the game? It isn't false in the slightest form... even with being hit in the backfield on nearly every attempt he did look good. He was still breaking tackles and making guys miss. The only problem was he was making 2-3 guys miss just to get back to the line of scrimmage. He also had a very nice TD run that got called back on a holding that never needed to happen as the hold occurred well after Wilson had beat the blocker guy around the corner.
Right now Wilson is a hold and hope the Giants get the offensive line gelling by some miracle when Diehl gets back. As Will Beatty who was playing LT yesterday was responsible for the hold that got Wilson's TD called back as well as I want to say about 4 of the sacks on Eli. I'd go so far as to say he was responsible for even more than that to be completely honest as it seemed like after the first two he let up the rest of the O-Line was trying to shift a little bit to get him more help and it was leading to other wholes in the blocking assignments. Honestly, right now I'm praying they sign someone off their couch as I think a wooden plank could do about as good as Beatty was doing yesterday. Not looking forward to facing Justin Houston and the Chiefs next week in the slightest.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
If this were Jonestown, you'd be one of those guards that made other people drink the koolaid even though they didn't want to.Did you watch the game? It isn't false in the slightest form... even with being hit in the backfield on nearly every attempt he did look good. He was still breaking tackles and making guys miss. The only problem was he was making 2-3 guys miss just to get back to the line of scrimmage. He also had a very nice TD run that got called back on a holding that never needed to happen as the hold occurred well after Wilson had beat the blocker guy around the corner.
Right now Wilson is a hold and hope the Giants get the offensive line gelling by some miracle when Diehl gets back. As Will Beatty who was playing LT yesterday was responsible for the hold that got Wilson's TD called back as well as I want to say about 4 of the sacks on Eli. I'd go so far as to say he was responsible for even more than that to be completely honest as it seemed like after the first two he let up the rest of the O-Line was trying to shift a little bit to get him more help and it was leading to other wholes in the blocking assignments. Honestly, right now I'm praying they sign someone off their couch as I think a wooden plank could do about as good as Beatty was doing yesterday. Not looking forward to facing Justin Houston and the Chiefs next week in the slightest.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Not cutting him. Not selling him. Just going to hopefully stash him for a later date.
Khy
Footballguy
No... not really. As I'm clearly saying to sit him cause the Giants O-Line is complete trash. But if you watched the game, he was actually pretty impressive in the touches he got. Regardless, he's a stash and pray that the Giants figure out their blocking issues. Otherwise, he has no value until further notice.If this were Jonestown, you'd be one of those guards that made other people drink the koolaid even though they didn't want to.Did you watch the game? It isn't false in the slightest form... even with being hit in the backfield on nearly every attempt he did look good. He was still breaking tackles and making guys miss. The only problem was he was making 2-3 guys miss just to get back to the line of scrimmage. He also had a very nice TD run that got called back on a holding that never needed to happen as the hold occurred well after Wilson had beat the blocker guy around the corner.
Right now Wilson is a hold and hope the Giants get the offensive line gelling by some miracle when Diehl gets back. As Will Beatty who was playing LT yesterday was responsible for the hold that got Wilson's TD called back as well as I want to say about 4 of the sacks on Eli. I'd go so far as to say he was responsible for even more than that to be completely honest as it seemed like after the first two he let up the rest of the O-Line was trying to shift a little bit to get him more help and it was leading to other wholes in the blocking assignments. Honestly, right now I'm praying they sign someone off their couch as I think a wooden plank could do about as good as Beatty was doing yesterday. Not looking forward to facing Justin Houston and the Chiefs next week in the slightest.
Rick James
Footballguy
Great contribution. Did you watch the game? Can you refute any of what Khy is saying?If this were Jonestown, you'd be one of those guards that made other people drink the koolaid even though they didn't want to.Did you watch the game? It isn't false in the slightest form... even with being hit in the backfield on nearly every attempt he did look good. He was still breaking tackles and making guys miss. The only problem was he was making 2-3 guys miss just to get back to the line of scrimmage. He also had a very nice TD run that got called back on a holding that never needed to happen as the hold occurred well after Wilson had beat the blocker guy around the corner.
Right now Wilson is a hold and hope the Giants get the offensive line gelling by some miracle when Diehl gets back. As Will Beatty who was playing LT yesterday was responsible for the hold that got Wilson's TD called back as well as I want to say about 4 of the sacks on Eli. I'd go so far as to say he was responsible for even more than that to be completely honest as it seemed like after the first two he let up the rest of the O-Line was trying to shift a little bit to get him more help and it was leading to other wholes in the blocking assignments. Honestly, right now I'm praying they sign someone off their couch as I think a wooden plank could do about as good as Beatty was doing yesterday. Not looking forward to facing Justin Houston and the Chiefs next week in the slightest.
It's hard to look good when your OL is getting blown off the ball, but Wilson did look pretty good.
Khy
Footballguy
No of course not... my reasonable and actual analysis of the game is clearly me drinking the Jonestown Kool Aid. It's not like I said "Sit Wilson until the o-line gets better" or anything like that. I clearly said "Watch Jesus walk on water here. Start Wilson next week".Great contribution. Did you watch the game? Can you refute any of what Khy is saying?If this were Jonestown, you'd be one of those guards that made other people drink the koolaid even though they didn't want to.Did you watch the game? It isn't false in the slightest form... even with being hit in the backfield on nearly every attempt he did look good. He was still breaking tackles and making guys miss. The only problem was he was making 2-3 guys miss just to get back to the line of scrimmage. He also had a very nice TD run that got called back on a holding that never needed to happen as the hold occurred well after Wilson had beat the blocker guy around the corner.
Right now Wilson is a hold and hope the Giants get the offensive line gelling by some miracle when Diehl gets back. As Will Beatty who was playing LT yesterday was responsible for the hold that got Wilson's TD called back as well as I want to say about 4 of the sacks on Eli. I'd go so far as to say he was responsible for even more than that to be completely honest as it seemed like after the first two he let up the rest of the O-Line was trying to shift a little bit to get him more help and it was leading to other wholes in the blocking assignments. Honestly, right now I'm praying they sign someone off their couch as I think a wooden plank could do about as good as Beatty was doing yesterday. Not looking forward to facing Justin Houston and the Chiefs next week in the slightest.
It's hard to look good when your OL is getting blown off the ball, but Wilson did look pretty good.
