***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (1 Viewer)

[ODannyBoy]

KC is a good team and NY is pretty likely to be playing from behind again this week -- if they're throwing then Scott is in there. And even if it's close the line / ground game is such a mess that it probably just doesn't matter. What's Wilson's realistic upside this week given what's gone in in NY this year? 60 - 70 yards rushing with a slight chance of a TD? Unless that 16 teamer requires 3 starting RBs, or you're absolutely killed with injuries / byes, Wilson should be glued to your bench.

I wouldn't be so sure on that one to be honest... Scott blew multiple pass blocking assignments last weekend. Which is what led to Wilson being out there more in the late game when they were

down by a considerable margin. Coughlin and Gilbride won't miss that when they go into the film room this week. And from what we've seen Wilson has seen vast improvements in his protection. Wilson had 25 snaps to Scott's 21

and Jacob's 7. I wouldn't be surprised if that looks more like 35, 11, 7 this weekend regardless of the score and situation in the game.

You've obviously seen far more of NY than I have this year, and generally seem to know what you're talking about, but IMO you're not looking at Wilson or the Giants realistically at all. 44 yards with .33 TDs a game at 2.7 YPC is something I'd want zero part of, even if Wilson was a lock to play close to 100% of the snaps. I feel your pain as a Steelers' homer -- but I'm not going to pencil in any of their RBs as a FF starter anytime soon either. Bad o-line play is a stone cold RB killer.

But the key is whether or not those are static numbers. And that's where the "see what you want to see" bias comes into it.

If you didn't think Wilson was all that, you see those numbers as static and unlikely to change because you think you've already seen Wilson's high water mark.

If you did think Wilson is all that, you see that as a skewed sample based on his non-use in those games, thus you think the numbers aren't static and will improve with more Wilson in the mix.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

With the Hynocerous done for the year, it's a good signing. Hopefully he can block all 3 guys that are hitting Wilson in the backfield every carry.

more likely he'll be yelling "I'm not with that guy!!"

 

[JAMES!]

I like the move. can't hurt.

 

[Eminence]

Overrated, one trick pony.

/endthread

 

[Blacklava]

Overrated, one trick pony.

/endthread

Ha

 

[Khy]

Overrated, one trick pony.

/endthread

Oh look you're back to give everyone your horrible talent evaluation skills.

 

[steveski]

Overrated, one trick pony.

/endthread

I know I'm just feeding the troll, but what's his 1 trick? What can't he do that every other RB in the NFL can?

 

[Khy]

Overrated, one trick pony.

/endthread

I know I'm just feeding the troll, but what's his 1 trick? What can't he do that every other RB in the NFL can?

Eminence is of the brilliant opinion that David Wilson has no talent and is simply a fast guy. Think... Ted Ginn with less agility.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Overrated, one trick pony.

/endthread

I know I'm just feeding the troll, but what's his 1 trick? What can't he do that every other RB in the NFL can?

Eminence is of the brilliant opinion that David Wilson has no talent and is simply a fast guy. Think... Ted Ginn with less agility.

Can't say the evidence says much else at this stage. Doesn't mean that there ins't a need for that type of player. They're just short lived in the NFL. Think Napoleon McCallum.

ETA: I'm a Wilson owner and want some return on the pick. Believe me I do.

 

[mbrasi]

I'm jumping on board the bandwagon...

Moved MJD for him straight up.

I think MJD will suck all year but Wilson has a chance to be a solid RB2.

 

[Khy]

Overrated, one trick pony.

/endthread

I know I'm just feeding the troll, but what's his 1 trick? What can't he do that every other RB in the NFL can?

Eminence is of the brilliant opinion that David Wilson has no talent and is simply a fast guy. Think... Ted Ginn with less agility.

Can't say the evidence says much else at this stage. Doesn't mean that there ins't a need for that type of player. They're just short lived in the NFL. Think Napoleon McCallum.

ETA: I'm a Wilson owner and want some return on the pick. Believe me I do.

There's plenty of evidence to showcase that he is a lot more than just a fast guy. Production =/= to talent. Here... watch these videos, tell me if you think he looks like just a 'fast guy' with no real football skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uviR8HjLDxk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bO123KOEM

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

I'm jumping on board the bandwagon...

Moved MJD for him straight up.

I think MJD will suck all year but Wilson has a chance to be a solid RB2. RB1

welcome aboard.

 

[Eminence]

Overrated, one trick pony.

/endthread

Oh look you're back to give everyone your horrible talent evaluation skills.

You're a joke. If everyone listened to me they would have avoided the Fantasy void that is David Wilson.

How many points does he have in your league?

 

[Eminence]

Overrated, one trick pony.

/endthread

I know I'm just feeding the troll, but what's his 1 trick? What can't he do that every other RB in the NFL can?

Eminence is of the brilliant opinion that David Wilson has no talent and is simply a fast guy. Think... Ted Ginn with less agility.

Not my assessment at all. He just lacks football moves. If you don't understand his burst is his biggest asset, then you're a fool.

He doesn't set up blocks or avoid contact very well. He just gets the handoff and runs full-speed into whatever is there.

If the blocking is perfect he has the chance to outrun the safety for a Touchdown.

Unfortunately, he's a poor pass-blocker so defenses can just blitz like crazy when he's in the game.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Overrated, one trick pony.

/endthread

I know I'm just feeding the troll, but what's his 1 trick? What can't he do that every other RB in the NFL can?

rush for 40 yds

 

[Eminence]

Overrated, one trick pony.

/endthread

I know I'm just feeding the troll, but what's his 1 trick? What can't he do that every other RB in the NFL can?

If you think I'm a troll, you need to get your head checked. My posts are quality and spot on.

When the blocking is there, this guy can explode across the line of scrimmage and past the secondary better than most backs in the league.

Once in the secondary, he can straight-up outrun defensive backs.

 

[Eminence]

Once Andre Brown comes back, expect better stats from Wilson.

He's the kind of RB you give the ball to 10 - 12 times and hope he hits a home run. Preferably after a grinder like Brown wears down the Defense.

 

[Khy]

Overrated, one trick pony.

/endthread

Oh look you're back to give everyone your horrible talent evaluation skills.

You're a joke. If everyone listened to me they would have avoided the Fantasy void that is David Wilson.

How many points does he have in your league?

I'm a joke... sorry I don't have any real evaluation skills at all. I should just bow to your infinite wisdom. I really don't want to here it... besides David Wilson almost every single preseason target and avoid I'm on record posting here has been almost spot on. So please, next time you call me a joke take a step back and actually learn to evaluate players. David Wilson DOES have the talent and WILL have the opportunity. He isn't over hyped and he isn't suffering from lack of talent. He's suffering from lack of team around him right now. The entirety of the Giants team is a wasteland right now. That needs to increase at least a little bit in order to make him relevant. But the talent is still there. You'd be hard pressed to find a single reputable NFL or even Fantasy writer who would agree with your talent evaluation on David Wilson.

 

[Eminence]

Overrated, one trick pony.

/endthread

Oh look you're back to give everyone your horrible talent evaluation skills.

You're a joke. If everyone listened to me they would have avoided the Fantasy void that is David Wilson.How many points does he have in your league?

I'm a joke... sorry I don't have any real evaluation skills at all. I should just bow to your infinite wisdom. I really don't want to here it... besides David Wilson almost every single preseason target and avoid I'm on record posting here has been almost spot on. So please, next time you call me a joke take a step back and actually learn to evaluate players. David Wilson DOES have the talent and WILL have the opportunity. He isn't over hyped and he isn't suffering from lack of talent. He's suffering from lack of team around him right now. The entirety of the Giants team is a wasteland right now. That needs to increase at least a little bit in order to make him relevant. But the talent is still there. You'd be hard pressed to find a single reputable NFL or even Fantasy writer who would agree with your talent evaluation on David Wilson.

That's a weird amount of Fantasy Points.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Once Andre Brown comes back, expect better stats from Wilson.

He's the kind of RB you give the ball to 10 - 12 times and hope he hits a home run. Preferably after a grinder like Brown wears down the Defense.

omfg can we stop this?

I thought I'd seen the end of it when jacobs retired.

 

[Eminence]

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

 

[Khy]

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

Did I say that? No... I said that the Giants as a whole suck right now. They haven't had any form of bright spot on the whole team. It's hard to know if Wilson's the only one who doesn't suck because every time he takes a handoff there's 3 defenders in the backfield before he finishes taking the ball from Eli.

 

[Eminence]

Once Andre Brown comes back, expect better stats from Wilson.

He's the kind of RB you give the ball to 10 - 12 times and hope he hits a home run. Preferably after a grinder like Brown wears down the Defense.

omfg can we stop this?

I thought I'd seen the end of it when jacobs retired.

You don't think tackling a 227 lb back takes more physical effort than tackling a 205 lb back?Especially when one back is using his size to bully you around?

 

[Tango]

Just watched my TIVO of the Coughlin presser (thanks MSG; love that they carry every one of his pressers live); and he said he expects a contribution from John Connor in pass-pro.

I hadnt heard that....

 

[Eminence]

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

Did I say that? No... I said that the Giants as a whole suck right now. They haven't had any form of bright spot on the whole team. It's hard to know if Wilson's the only one who doesn't suck because every time he takes a handoff there's 3 defenders in the backfield before he finishes taking the ball from Eli.

Why do you think that is? Teams are comfortable blitzing because they know Wilson is weak in pass protection.

Either they'll get QB pressure or a tackle for a loss.

 

[Avery]

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

Did I say that? No... I said that the Giants as a whole suck right now. They haven't had any form of bright spot on the whole team. It's hard to know if Wilson's the only one who doesn't suck because every time he takes a handoff there's 3 defenders in the backfield before he finishes taking the ball from Eli.

Why do you think that is? Teams are comfortable blitzing because they know Wilson is weak in pass protection.

Either they'll get QB pressure or a tackle for a loss.

You are hilarious.

It's now Wilson's fault that the Giants offensive line can't block.

 

[Khy]

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

Did I say that? No... I said that the Giants as a whole suck right now. They haven't had any form of bright spot on the whole team. It's hard to know if Wilson's the only one who doesn't suck because every time he takes a handoff there's 3 defenders in the backfield before he finishes taking the ball from Eli.

Why do you think that is? Teams are comfortable blitzing because they know Wilson is weak in pass protection.

Either they'll get QB pressure or a tackle for a loss.

You are hilarious.

It's now Wilson's fault that the Giants offensive line can't block.

Look, Wilson is clearly the reason for all the Giants flaws. He may or may not have been one of the shooters behind the DC Naval yard shootings as well.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Once Andre Brown comes back, expect better stats from Wilson.

He's the kind of RB you give the ball to 10 - 12 times and hope he hits a home run. Preferably after a grinder like Brown wears down the Defense.

omfg can we stop this?

I thought I'd seen the end of it when jacobs retired.

You don't think tackling a 227 lb back takes more physical effort than tackling a 205 lb back?Especially when one back is using his size to bully you around?

I think a lot of things in the nfl take physical effort

do you have absolutely one shred of anything at all to base this nonsense on other than your imagination?

 

[Eminence]

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

Did I say that? No... I said that the Giants as a whole suck right now. They haven't had any form of bright spot on the whole team. It's hard to know if Wilson's the only one who doesn't suck because every time he takes a handoff there's 3 defenders in the backfield before he finishes taking the ball from Eli.

Why do you think that is? Teams are comfortable blitzing because they know Wilson is weak in pass protection.

Either they'll get QB pressure or a tackle for a loss.

You are hilarious.

It's now Wilson's fault that the Giants offensive line can't block.

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

Did I say that? No... I said that the Giants as a whole suck right now. They haven't had any form of bright spot on the whole team. It's hard to know if Wilson's the only one who doesn't suck because every time he takes a handoff there's 3 defenders in the backfield before he finishes taking the ball from Eli.

Why do you think that is? Teams are comfortable blitzing because they know Wilson is weak in pass protection.

Either they'll get QB pressure or a tackle for a loss.

You are hilarious.

It's now Wilson's fault that the Giants offensive line can't block.

It doesn't help the o-line very much knowing they're going to get blitzed like crazy whenever Wilson is in, no.

Football is a numbers game, the less men blitzing, the better your protection likely is.

Throw in a 205 lb back who can't stonewall a defender, yeah, it makes the o-line's job a lot harder.

 

[Eminence]

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

Did I say that? No... I said that the Giants as a whole suck right now. They haven't had any form of bright spot on the whole team. It's hard to know if Wilson's the only one who doesn't suck because every time he takes a handoff there's 3 defenders in the backfield before he finishes taking the ball from Eli.

Why do you think that is? Teams are comfortable blitzing because they know Wilson is weak in pass protection.

Either they'll get QB pressure or a tackle for a loss.

You are hilarious.

It's now Wilson's fault that the Giants offensive line can't block.

Look, Wilson is clearly the reason for all the Giants flaws. He may or may not have been one of the shooters behind the DC Naval yard shootings as well.

So now you're stealing my jokes?

Jeez now it's Wilson's fault Eli threw an interception? Give the guy a break.

We have reason to believe that David Wilson is behind the use of chemical weapons in Syria.

 

[TheFanatic]

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

Did I say that? No... I said that the Giants as a whole suck right now. They haven't had any form of bright spot on the whole team. It's hard to know if Wilson's the only one who doesn't suck because every time he takes a handoff there's 3 defenders in the backfield before he finishes taking the ball from Eli.

Why do you think that is? Teams are comfortable blitzing because they know Wilson is weak in pass protection.

Either they'll get QB pressure or a tackle for a loss.

You are hilarious.

It's now Wilson's fault that the Giants offensive line can't block.

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

Did I say that? No... I said that the Giants as a whole suck right now. They haven't had any form of bright spot on the whole team. It's hard to know if Wilson's the only one who doesn't suck because every time he takes a handoff there's 3 defenders in the backfield before he finishes taking the ball from Eli.

Why do you think that is? Teams are comfortable blitzing because they know Wilson is weak in pass protection.

Either they'll get QB pressure or a tackle for a loss.

You are hilarious.

It's now Wilson's fault that the Giants offensive line can't block.

It doesn't help the o-line very much knowing they're going to get blitzed like crazy whenever Wilson is in, no.

Football is a numbers game, the less men blitzing, the better your protection likely is.

Throw in a 205 lb back who can't stonewall a defender, yeah, it makes the o-line's job a lot harder.

So the line can't block anyone, but defenders only decide to blitz when DW is in the game? That's the argument you are making?

 

[Eminence]

Once Andre Brown comes back, expect better stats from Wilson.

He's the kind of RB you give the ball to 10 - 12 times and hope he hits a home run. Preferably after a grinder like Brown wears down the Defense.

omfg can we stop this?

I thought I'd seen the end of it when jacobs retired.

You don't think tackling a 227 lb back takes more physical effort than tackling a 205 lb back?Especially when one back is using his size to bully you around?

I think a lot of things in the nfl take physical effort

do you have absolutely one shred of anything at all to base this nonsense on other than your imagination?

Once Andre Brown comes back, expect better stats from Wilson.

He's the kind of RB you give the ball to 10 - 12 times and hope he hits a home run. Preferably after a grinder like Brown wears down the Defense.

omfg can we stop this?

I thought I'd seen the end of it when jacobs retired.

You don't think tackling a 227 lb back takes more physical effort than tackling a 205 lb back?Especially when one back is using his size to bully you around?

I think a lot of things in the nfl take physical effort

do you have absolutely one shred of anything at all to base this nonsense on other than your imagination?

Common sense? Is it going to be easier to tackle a 150 lb man or a 300 lb man?

Which is going to on average require more physical force? Now apply to a 205 lb Running Back vs a 227 lb Running Back.

Which is going to be more mentally / physically exhausting to tackle twenty times a game?

One would assume trying to bring down a 227 lb man would be more physically tiresome, no?

 

[Eminence]

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

Did I say that? No... I said that the Giants as a whole suck right now. They haven't had any form of bright spot on the whole team. It's hard to know if Wilson's the only one who doesn't suck because every time he takes a handoff there's 3 defenders in the backfield before he finishes taking the ball from Eli.

Why do you think that is? Teams are comfortable blitzing because they know Wilson is weak in pass protection.

Either they'll get QB pressure or a tackle for a loss.

You are hilarious.

It's now Wilson's fault that the Giants offensive line can't block.

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

Did I say that? No... I said that the Giants as a whole suck right now. They haven't had any form of bright spot on the whole team. It's hard to know if Wilson's the only one who doesn't suck because every time he takes a handoff there's 3 defenders in the backfield before he finishes taking the ball from Eli.

Why do you think that is? Teams are comfortable blitzing because they know Wilson is weak in pass protection.

Either they'll get QB pressure or a tackle for a loss.

You are hilarious.

It's now Wilson's fault that the Giants offensive line can't block.

It doesn't help the o-line very much knowing they're going to get blitzed like crazy whenever Wilson is in, no.

Football is a numbers game, the less men blitzing, the better your protection likely is.

Throw in a 205 lb back who can't stonewall a defender, yeah, it makes the o-line's job a lot harder.

So the line can't block anyone, but defenders only decide to blitz when DW is in the game? That's the argument you are making?

No, and I don't know where you came up with this at all.

 

[Avery]

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

Did I say that? No... I said that the Giants as a whole suck right now. They haven't had any form of bright spot on the whole team. It's hard to know if Wilson's the only one who doesn't suck because every time he takes a handoff there's 3 defenders in the backfield before he finishes taking the ball from Eli.

Why do you think that is? Teams are comfortable blitzing because they know Wilson is weak in pass protection.

Either they'll get QB pressure or a tackle for a loss.

You are hilarious.

It's now Wilson's fault that the Giants offensive line can't block.

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

Did I say that? No... I said that the Giants as a whole suck right now. They haven't had any form of bright spot on the whole team. It's hard to know if Wilson's the only one who doesn't suck because every time he takes a handoff there's 3 defenders in the backfield before he finishes taking the ball from Eli.

Why do you think that is? Teams are comfortable blitzing because they know Wilson is weak in pass protection.

Either they'll get QB pressure or a tackle for a loss.

You are hilarious.

It's now Wilson's fault that the Giants offensive line can't block.

It doesn't help the o-line very much knowing they're going to get blitzed like crazy whenever Wilson is in, no.

Football is a numbers game, the less men blitzing, the better your protection likely is.

Throw in a 205 lb back who can't stonewall a defender, yeah, it makes the o-line's job a lot harder.

5 Reasons the Panthers Defeated the Giants 38-0

Carolina's front seven dominated the Giants in the trenches, sacking Eli Manning six times in the first half en route to a 38-0 victory on Sunday. Carolina tied a franchise record with seven sacks and forced three turnovers on the day.The Panthers did it mostly with a four-man pass rush and without all that many blitzes.

Facts can be inconvenient when you have predetermined your conclusion.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Once Andre Brown comes back, expect better stats from Wilson.

He's the kind of RB you give the ball to 10 - 12 times and hope he hits a home run. Preferably after a grinder like Brown wears down the Defense.

omfg can we stop this?

I thought I'd seen the end of it when jacobs retired.

You don't think tackling a 227 lb back takes more physical effort than tackling a 205 lb back?Especially when one back is using his size to bully you around?

I think a lot of things in the nfl take physical effort

do you have absolutely one shred of anything at all to base this nonsense on other than your imagination?

Once Andre Brown comes back, expect better stats from Wilson.

He's the kind of RB you give the ball to 10 - 12 times and hope he hits a home run. Preferably after a grinder like Brown wears down the Defense.

omfg can we stop this?

I thought I'd seen the end of it when jacobs retired.

You don't think tackling a 227 lb back takes more physical effort than tackling a 205 lb back?Especially when one back is using his size to bully you around?

I think a lot of things in the nfl take physical effort

do you have absolutely one shred of anything at all to base this nonsense on other than your imagination?

Common sense? Is it going to be easier to tackle a 150 lb man or a 300 lb man?

Which is going to on average require more physical force? Now apply to a 205 lb Running Back vs a 227 lb Running Back.

Which is going to be more mentally / physically exhausting to tackle twenty times a game?

One would assume trying to bring down a 227 lb man would be more physically tiresome, no?

I want you to name me the guy who has tackled andre brown 20x in a game

 

[Eminence]

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

Did I say that? No... I said that the Giants as a whole suck right now. They haven't had any form of bright spot on the whole team. It's hard to know if Wilson's the only one who doesn't suck because every time he takes a handoff there's 3 defenders in the backfield before he finishes taking the ball from Eli.

Why do you think that is? Teams are comfortable blitzing because they know Wilson is weak in pass protection.

Either they'll get QB pressure or a tackle for a loss.

You are hilarious.

It's now Wilson's fault that the Giants offensive line can't block.

Also, I love how everyone on the Giants stink but David Wilson! You know, the Giants might have won Week 1 if Wilson didn't play.

But let's just blame everyone else.

Did I say that? No... I said that the Giants as a whole suck right now. They haven't had any form of bright spot on the whole team. It's hard to know if Wilson's the only one who doesn't suck because every time he takes a handoff there's 3 defenders in the backfield before he finishes taking the ball from Eli.

Why do you think that is? Teams are comfortable blitzing because they know Wilson is weak in pass protection.

Either they'll get QB pressure or a tackle for a loss.

You are hilarious.

It's now Wilson's fault that the Giants offensive line can't block.

It doesn't help the o-line very much knowing they're going to get blitzed like crazy whenever Wilson is in, no.

Football is a numbers game, the less men blitzing, the better your protection likely is.

Throw in a 205 lb back who can't stonewall a defender, yeah, it makes the o-line's job a lot harder.

5 Reasons the Panthers Defeated the Giants 38-0

Carolina's front seven dominated the Giants in the trenches, sacking Eli Manning six times in the first half en route to a 38-0 victory on Sunday. Carolina tied a franchise record with seven sacks and forced three turnovers on the day.The Panthers did it mostly with a four-man pass rush and without all that many blitzes.

Facts can be inconvenient when you have predetermined your conclusion.

I guess that's going to make having a RB who can block all that more important? Give me statistics of blitzes from when Wilson was in the game.

Did I ever say anything positive or negative about the Giants' o-line? No, just that David Wilson isn't helping the situation.

 

[Eminence]

Once Andre Brown comes back, expect better stats from Wilson.

He's the kind of RB you give the ball to 10 - 12 times and hope he hits a home run. Preferably after a grinder like Brown wears down the Defense.

omfg can we stop this?

I thought I'd seen the end of it when jacobs retired.

You don't think tackling a 227 lb back takes more physical effort than tackling a 205 lb back?Especially when one back is using his size to bully you around?

I think a lot of things in the nfl take physical effort

do you have absolutely one shred of anything at all to base this nonsense on other than your imagination?

Once Andre Brown comes back, expect better stats from Wilson.

He's the kind of RB you give the ball to 10 - 12 times and hope he hits a home run. Preferably after a grinder like Brown wears down the Defense.

omfg can we stop this?

I thought I'd seen the end of it when jacobs retired.

You don't think tackling a 227 lb back takes more physical effort than tackling a 205 lb back?Especially when one back is using his size to bully you around?

I think a lot of things in the nfl take physical effort

do you have absolutely one shred of anything at all to base this nonsense on other than your imagination?

Common sense? Is it going to be easier to tackle a 150 lb man or a 300 lb man?

Which is going to on average require more physical force? Now apply to a 205 lb Running Back vs a 227 lb Running Back.

Which is going to be more mentally / physically exhausting to tackle twenty times a game?

One would assume trying to bring down a 227 lb man would be more physically tiresome, no?

I want you to name me the guy who has tackled andre brown 20x in a game

Did I ever say one specific guy tackled him 20 times? You're grasping at straws here.

Ever read the quotes from Ravens players about them being happy Trent Richardson is out of their division?

You're a rube to think some RB don't inflict more punishment on defenders than others and that's the basis of the argument.

But please, continue to take everything I say out of context.

 

[Avery]

I guess that's going to make having a RB who can block all that more important? Give me statistics of blitzes from when Wilson was in the game.Did I ever say anything positive or negative about the Giants' o-line? No, just that David Wilson isn't helping the situation.

You actually said that the Giants are "going to get blitzed like crazy whenever Wilson is in". You were wrong. You were stating something as fact that was not so.

The Giants weren't blitzed like crazy last week when Wilson was in.

The Giants weren't blitzed like crazy last week when Wilson wasn't in.

The Panthers got great pressure without many blitzes because they have a very good D-line, the Giants have a bad O-line and the Panthers could get pressure on Eli without many blitzes and leave more players to cover the Giants WR.

Your suppositions and conclusions are not borne out by the facts.

 

[Eminence]

I guess that's going to make having a RB who can block all that more important? Give me statistics of blitzes from when Wilson was in the game.

Did I ever say anything positive or negative about the Giants' o-line? No, just that David Wilson isn't helping the situation.

You actually said that the Giants are "going to get blitzed like crazy whenever Wilson is in". You were wrong. You were stating something as fact that was not so.

The Giants weren't blitzed like crazy last week when Wilson was in.

The Giants weren't blitzed like crazy last week when Wilson wasn't in.

The Panthers got great pressure without many blitzes because they have a very good D-line, the Giants have a bad O-line and the Panthers could get pressure on Eli without many blitzes and leave more players to cover the Giants WR.

Your suppositions and conclusions are not borne out by the facts.

Where are your facts? You gave me a ####### quote.

Tell me how many snaps Wilson was in and how many of those snaps the Panthers blitzed.

 

[Avery]

I guess that's going to make having a RB who can block all that more important? Give me statistics of blitzes from when Wilson was in the game.

Did I ever say anything positive or negative about the Giants' o-line? No, just that David Wilson isn't helping the situation.

You actually said that the Giants are "going to get blitzed like crazy whenever Wilson is in". You were wrong. You were stating something as fact that was not so.

The Giants weren't blitzed like crazy last week when Wilson was in.

The Giants weren't blitzed like crazy last week when Wilson wasn't in.

The Panthers got great pressure without many blitzes because they have a very good D-line, the Giants have a bad O-line and the Panthers could get pressure on Eli without many blitzes and leave more players to cover the Giants WR.

Your suppositions and conclusions are not borne out by the facts.

Where are your facts? You gave me a ####### quote.

Tell me how many snaps Wilson was in and how many of those snaps the Panthers blitzed.

Curious where you found your facts that the Giants are getting "blitzed like crazy" whenever Wilson is in.

I'll even settle for a ####### quote.

 

[Eminence]

I'll get you started, he was in for 24 snaps.

 

[TheFanatic]

It doesn't help the o-line very much knowing they're going to get blitzed like crazy whenever Wilson is in, no.

Football is a numbers game, the less men blitzing, the better your protection likely is.

Throw in a 205 lb back who can't stonewall a defender, yeah, it makes the o-line's job a lot harder.

So the line can't block anyone, but defenders only decide to blitz when DW is in the game? That's the argument you are making?

No, and I don't know where you came up with this at all.

From the line I bolded above.

As stated by someone else. the Giants line gets blitzed because they can't block. Not because Wilson can't block. That latter fact is debateable... Not by you of course, because you are all knowing, right?

 

[GreenNGold]

forced to start him this week

you could do worse. He probably has better than a 50/50 chance of a score.

ROFL. The Giants might have a 50/50 chance of scoring this week. David Wilson certainly does not.

 

[Avery]

I guess that's going to make having a RB who can block all that more important? Give me statistics of blitzes from when Wilson was in the game.

Did I ever say anything positive or negative about the Giants' o-line? No, just that David Wilson isn't helping the situation.

You actually said that the Giants are "going to get blitzed like crazy whenever Wilson is in". You were wrong. You were stating something as fact that was not so.

The Giants weren't blitzed like crazy last week when Wilson was in.

The Giants weren't blitzed like crazy last week when Wilson wasn't in.

The Panthers got great pressure without many blitzes because they have a very good D-line, the Giants have a bad O-line and the Panthers could get pressure on Eli without many blitzes and leave more players to cover the Giants WR.

Your suppositions and conclusions are not borne out by the facts.

Where are your facts? You gave me a ####### quote.

Tell me how many snaps Wilson was in and how many of those snaps the Panthers blitzed.

Curious where you found your facts that the Giants are getting "blitzed like crazy" whenever Wilson is in.

I'll even settle for a ####### quote.

Since you clearly have nothing here, I'll give you another ####### quote. This one from Fantasy Sharks:

JL's Observation Deck - Week 4

At the opposite end of the spectrum, the Giants offensive line play was atrocious vs Carolina. Four man rushes by the Panthers defense got pressure and sacked Eli Manning early and often in the football game. The Giants offensive line could not sustain blocks, and even lost on double-teams a couple times when Manning hung in the pocket thinking he'd have more than two or three seconds to get rid of the football. Making matters even worse, the running backs for the Giants in blitz pickup were directly associated with three sacks as both Brandon Jacobs and Da'Rel Scott struggled when called upon to help out left tackle Will Beatty. This is an issue that will need to be resolved quickly as the Giants travel to Arrowhead Stadium to take on quite possiblly the best pass rush in the league today in the Kansas City Chiefs.

So it appears that RBs were responsible for poor blocking that lead to sacks - although not "blitzed like crazy".

But contrary to your beliefs - not even backed up by ####### quotes - is that those backs were Jacobs and Scott; not Wilson.

Wonder if you are even capable of admitting that you may have been wrong?

 

[Eminence]

I guess that's going to make having a RB who can block all that more important? Give me statistics of blitzes from when Wilson was in the game.

Did I ever say anything positive or negative about the Giants' o-line? No, just that David Wilson isn't helping the situation.

You actually said that the Giants are "going to get blitzed like crazy whenever Wilson is in". You were wrong. You were stating something as fact that was not so.

The Giants weren't blitzed like crazy last week when Wilson was in.

The Giants weren't blitzed like crazy last week when Wilson wasn't in.

The Panthers got great pressure without many blitzes because they have a very good D-line, the Giants have a bad O-line and the Panthers could get pressure on Eli without many blitzes and leave more players to cover the Giants WR.

Your suppositions and conclusions are not borne out by the facts.

Where are your facts? You gave me a ####### quote.

Tell me how many snaps Wilson was in and how many of those snaps the Panthers blitzed.

Curious where you found your facts that the Giants are getting "blitzed like crazy" whenever Wilson is in.

I'll even settle for a ####### quote.

Since you clearly have nothing here, I'll give you another ####### quote. This one from Fantasy Sharks:

JL's Observation Deck - Week 4

At the opposite end of the spectrum, the Giants offensive line play was atrocious vs Carolina. Four man rushes by the Panthers defense got pressure and sacked Eli Manning early and often in the football game. The Giants offensive line could not sustain blocks, and even lost on double-teams a couple times when Manning hung in the pocket thinking he'd have more than two or three seconds to get rid of the football. Making matters even worse, the running backs for the Giants in blitz pickup were directly associated with three sacks as both Brandon Jacobs and Da'Rel Scott struggled when called upon to help out left tackle Will Beatty. This is an issue that will need to be resolved quickly as the Giants travel to Arrowhead Stadium to take on quite possiblly the best pass rush in the league today in the Kansas City Chiefs.

So it appears that RBs were responsible for poor blocking that lead to sacks - although not "blitzed like crazy".

But contrary to your beliefs - not even backed up by ####### quotes - is that those backs were Jacobs and Scott; not Wilson.

Wonder if you are even capable of admitting that you may have been wrong?

Let's go back to your initial quote,

"Carolina's front seven dominated the Giants in the trenches, sacking Eli Manning six times in the first half en route to a 38-0 victory on Sunday. Carolina tied a franchise record with seven sacks and forced three turnovers on the day.

The Panthers did it mostly with a four-man pass rush and without all that many blitzes."

David Wilson was in for only 30% of the snaps. Do you have any data to suggest these snaps didn't contain the majority of The Panthers blitzes? The supposed quote is also true because, THE PANTHERS WERE PLAYING WITH THE LEAD. By halftime they were up 17 - 0. This wasn't a game where blitzing was needed.

Furthermore, David Wilson only played 30% of the time. So that makes 70% of the game's blitz to non-blitz data completely irrelevant. It's 70%, that's the majority, therefore that quote cannot be used to determine whether or not the Panthers blitzed when Wilson was in or not.

And to your next argument,

"So it appears that RBs were responsible for poor blocking that lead to sacks - although not "blitzed like crazy".

But contrary to your beliefs - not even backed up by ####### quotes - is that those backs were Jacobs and Scott; not Wilson."

Why are we discussing snaps that Wilson isn't in on? If we're debating whether or not the Panthers were blitzing the Giants when David Wilson was in, why does the pass-protection of NYG's other backs matter?

You want to talk facts? Here's a fact:

1st Quarter: 2nd and 8 at NYG 22 - D.Wilson left tackle to NYG 20 for -2 yards (G.Hardy; L.Kuechly).

L.Kuechly is a linebacker, that's the 2nd play of the game, it was a 2-yard loss. Let's chalk that up as ONE BLITZ when David Wilson was in the backfield. It's also a BLITZ before the Panthers were able to go conservative, not being up 17 points.

I'm not going to admit I'm wrong because I'm simply NOT wrong.

 

[Eminence]

So far, I've shown more "facts" than you.

 

[Eminence]

Here's another one, pal:

2nd Quarter: 2nd and 10 at NYG 31 - D.Wilson up the middle to NYG 26 for -5 yards (T.Davis).

Thomas Davis is a linebacker, 5-yard loss. I assume that's a blitz? That's 2 of Wilson's 24 snaps accounted for. So far, more facts from me than for you...

 

[Eminence]

Here's another!

3rd Quarter: 1st and 10 at CAR 34 - D.Wilson left tackle to CAR 35 for -1 yards (C.Blackburn; K.Short).

Chase Blackburn, OLB. Going to assume he was blitzing on this one. 3 / 24 of Wilson's snaps accounted for. Where are your facts?

 

[Avery]

I guess that's going to make having a RB who can block all that more important? Give me statistics of blitzes from when Wilson was in the game.

Did I ever say anything positive or negative about the Giants' o-line? No, just that David Wilson isn't helping the situation.

You actually said that the Giants are "going to get blitzed like crazy whenever Wilson is in". You were wrong. You were stating something as fact that was not so.

The Giants weren't blitzed like crazy last week when Wilson was in.

The Giants weren't blitzed like crazy last week when Wilson wasn't in.

The Panthers got great pressure without many blitzes because they have a very good D-line, the Giants have a bad O-line and the Panthers could get pressure on Eli without many blitzes and leave more players to cover the Giants WR.

Your suppositions and conclusions are not borne out by the facts.

Where are your facts? You gave me a ####### quote.

Tell me how many snaps Wilson was in and how many of those snaps the Panthers blitzed.

Curious where you found your facts that the Giants are getting "blitzed like crazy" whenever Wilson is in.

I'll even settle for a ####### quote.

Since you clearly have nothing here, I'll give you another ####### quote. This one from Fantasy Sharks:

JL's Observation Deck - Week 4

At the opposite end of the spectrum, the Giants offensive line play was atrocious vs Carolina. Four man rushes by the Panthers defense got pressure and sacked Eli Manning early and often in the football game. The Giants offensive line could not sustain blocks, and even lost on double-teams a couple times when Manning hung in the pocket thinking he'd have more than two or three seconds to get rid of the football. Making matters even worse, the running backs for the Giants in blitz pickup were directly associated with three sacks as both Brandon Jacobs and Da'Rel Scott struggled when called upon to help out left tackle Will Beatty. This is an issue that will need to be resolved quickly as the Giants travel to Arrowhead Stadium to take on quite possiblly the best pass rush in the league today in the Kansas City Chiefs.

So it appears that RBs were responsible for poor blocking that lead to sacks - although not "blitzed like crazy".

But contrary to your beliefs - not even backed up by ####### quotes - is that those backs were Jacobs and Scott; not Wilson.

Wonder if you are even capable of admitting that you may have been wrong?

Let's go back to your initial quote,

"Carolina's front seven dominated the Giants in the trenches, sacking Eli Manning six times in the first half en route to a 38-0 victory on Sunday. Carolina tied a franchise record with seven sacks and forced three turnovers on the day.

The Panthers did it mostly with a four-man pass rush and without all that many blitzes."

David Wilson was in for only 30% of the snaps. Do you have any data to suggest these snaps didn't contain the majority of The Panthers blitzes? The supposed quote is also true because, THE PANTHERS WERE PLAYING WITH THE LEAD. By halftime they were up 17 - 0. This wasn't a game where blitzing was needed.

Furthermore, David Wilson only played 30% of the time. So that makes 70% of the game's blitz to non-blitz data completely irrelevant. It's 70%, that's the majority, therefore that quote cannot be used to determine whether or not the Panthers blitzed when Wilson was in or not.

And to your next argument,

"So it appears that RBs were responsible for poor blocking that lead to sacks - although not "blitzed like crazy".

But contrary to your beliefs - not even backed up by ####### quotes - is that those backs were Jacobs and Scott; not Wilson."

Why are we discussing snaps that Wilson isn't in on? If we're debating whether or not the Panthers were blitzing the Giants when David Wilson was in, why does the pass-protection of NYG's other backs matter?

You want to talk facts? Here's a fact:

1st Quarter: 2nd and 8 at NYG 22 - D.Wilson left tackle to NYG 20 for -2 yards (G.Hardy; L.Kuechly).

L.Kuechly is a linebacker, that's the 2nd play of the game, it was a 2-yard loss. Let's chalk that up as ONE BLITZ when David Wilson was in the backfield. It's also a BLITZ before the Panthers were able to go conservative, not being up 17 points.

I'm not going to admit I'm wrong because I'm simply NOT wrong.

I was going to point out all the places you contradicted what you said earlier and back-pedaled like an all-pro CB but I'll just leave you for the night with my appreciation for your dedication.

Don't ever change.

 

[Eminence]

I guess that's going to make having a RB who can block all that more important? Give me statistics of blitzes from when Wilson was in the game.

Did I ever say anything positive or negative about the Giants' o-line? No, just that David Wilson isn't helping the situation.

You actually said that the Giants are "going to get blitzed like crazy whenever Wilson is in". You were wrong. You were stating something as fact that was not so.

The Giants weren't blitzed like crazy last week when Wilson was in.

The Giants weren't blitzed like crazy last week when Wilson wasn't in.

The Panthers got great pressure without many blitzes because they have a very good D-line, the Giants have a bad O-line and the Panthers could get pressure on Eli without many blitzes and leave more players to cover the Giants WR.

Your suppositions and conclusions are not borne out by the facts.

Where are your facts? You gave me a ####### quote.

Tell me how many snaps Wilson was in and how many of those snaps the Panthers blitzed.

Curious where you found your facts that the Giants are getting "blitzed like crazy" whenever Wilson is in.

I'll even settle for a ####### quote.

Since you clearly have nothing here, I'll give you another ####### quote. This one from Fantasy Sharks:

JL's Observation Deck - Week 4

At the opposite end of the spectrum, the Giants offensive line play was atrocious vs Carolina. Four man rushes by the Panthers defense got pressure and sacked Eli Manning early and often in the football game. The Giants offensive line could not sustain blocks, and even lost on double-teams a couple times when Manning hung in the pocket thinking he'd have more than two or three seconds to get rid of the football. Making matters even worse, the running backs for the Giants in blitz pickup were directly associated with three sacks as both Brandon Jacobs and Da'Rel Scott struggled when called upon to help out left tackle Will Beatty. This is an issue that will need to be resolved quickly as the Giants travel to Arrowhead Stadium to take on quite possiblly the best pass rush in the league today in the Kansas City Chiefs.

So it appears that RBs were responsible for poor blocking that lead to sacks - although not "blitzed like crazy".

But contrary to your beliefs - not even backed up by ####### quotes - is that those backs were Jacobs and Scott; not Wilson.

Wonder if you are even capable of admitting that you may have been wrong?

Let's go back to your initial quote,

"Carolina's front seven dominated the Giants in the trenches, sacking Eli Manning six times in the first half en route to a 38-0 victory on Sunday. Carolina tied a franchise record with seven sacks and forced three turnovers on the day.

The Panthers did it mostly with a four-man pass rush and without all that many blitzes."

David Wilson was in for only 30% of the snaps. Do you have any data to suggest these snaps didn't contain the majority of The Panthers blitzes? The supposed quote is also true because, THE PANTHERS WERE PLAYING WITH THE LEAD. By halftime they were up 17 - 0. This wasn't a game where blitzing was needed.

Furthermore, David Wilson only played 30% of the time. So that makes 70% of the game's blitz to non-blitz data completely irrelevant. It's 70%, that's the majority, therefore that quote cannot be used to determine whether or not the Panthers blitzed when Wilson was in or not.

And to your next argument,

"So it appears that RBs were responsible for poor blocking that lead to sacks - although not "blitzed like crazy".

But contrary to your beliefs - not even backed up by ####### quotes - is that those backs were Jacobs and Scott; not Wilson."

Why are we discussing snaps that Wilson isn't in on? If we're debating whether or not the Panthers were blitzing the Giants when David Wilson was in, why does the pass-protection of NYG's other backs matter?

You want to talk facts? Here's a fact:

1st Quarter: 2nd and 8 at NYG 22 - D.Wilson left tackle to NYG 20 for -2 yards (G.Hardy; L.Kuechly).

L.Kuechly is a linebacker, that's the 2nd play of the game, it was a 2-yard loss. Let's chalk that up as ONE BLITZ when David Wilson was in the backfield. It's also a BLITZ before the Panthers were able to go conservative, not being up 17 points.

I'm not going to admit I'm wrong because I'm simply NOT wrong.

I was going to point out all the places you contradicted what you said earlier and back-pedaled like an all-pro CB but I'll just leave you for the night with my appreciation for your dedication.

Don't ever change.

Funny how you're accusing me of back-pedalling when you're the one accusing me of making judgements without facts to back them up. Then, once I begin to find facts to back up my judgements, you begin to back-pedal.

I have facts to prove that on at least 12.5% of Wilson's snaps, he was blitzed. It could be more and I am quite sure it probably is. You have 0 facts to prove that they weren't blitzing Wilson.

But surely, I am the one who is back-pedalling. I played your stupid "fact game". It's common knowledge that:

1.) Teams tend not to continue to blitz during blow-outs. Ever heard of "prevent defense"?

2.) You blitz Running Backs who can't Pass Block early and often. Why?

You'll either get him in the backfield for a loss or pressure on the Quarterback. Why the Panthers wouldn't want to blitz Wilson is beyond me. You're guaranteed either a shot at a proven fumbler (Wilson) or the opponents starting Quarterback (Eli).