***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (2 Viewers)

[Rove!]

at you guys using garbage time numbers to prop up your guy

 

[Horses Mouth]

at you guys using garbage time numbers to prop up your guy

76 pages too!

 

[Khy]

at you guys using garbage time numbers to prop up your guy

Lol at people calling non-garbage time numbers garbage time to put a guy down. Wilson had 13 carries, only 2 of which came after the game became 17-7. Prior to that he had 11 of the carries when this game was a 10-7 game. And his 12th carry came on the drive directly following McCluster's punt return. I wouldn't really call it 'garbage time' when the game is within a field goal. Maybe I've been misinformed on the definition though.

 

[Rove!]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

 

[monk]

WTF happened to the Giants?

They lost their running game and their defense is all hurt. They were a "run and play good defense" team...now they are just a team.

"Lost their running game" isn't really 100% accurate, more like gave up on it. You'd think at 0-3 they'd look at the running game and say "You know this rotation thing we have between Wilson, Scott and Jacobs is failing pretty bad. We said Wilson was our guy going into the season. Lets give him a real chance". He saw 13 carries, Scott saw 5. But 3 of Scott's 5 came on 3rd and longs and were just "get the hell out of here" runs. It was a 10-7 game until late in the 3rd quarter and they were still passing more than they should be passing. Eli's completion percentage has been going down every week... 64.3%, 57.1%, 52.2%, 48.6%. I just don't understand that at 0-4 and Eli sucking rather badly at this point, and none of the other RBs showing any real promise AND Wilson being pretty decent the past 3 games in pass protection. How you don't just feed the kid and keep him out there for a whole drive or two and see what happens. You're 0-4... wtf do you have to lose? Clearly giving him 10 carries per week on average isn't working, try giving him 20 see what happens? What's the worst thing that happens? You go 0-5? OH NO... clearly you're going to be 0-5 if you keep this torrid pace of #### up. Change... It... Up. Or just fire Gilbride, that'd be helpful also.

What on earth makes you think he'd be more efficient with more carries?

For starters Wilson has been more efficient with more carries (7 for 2.7, 7 for 2.4, 11 for 3.5, 13 for 4.2)

2nd he has looked pretty good the past few weeks despite the predictable and terrible offense. If he were in 70% of the time like he should be the offense would be less predictable, he would get more receptions, and would have more opportunities to bust a big play.

c'mon he's running for 3.0 ypc this year. If he were breaking big runs and making things happen I could maybe agree more with you but he's done very little with the carries he's gotten. He has 115 career touches and has proven nothing in the NFL. Most David Wilson owners are thinking with their fantasy hats on but he's not their saviour. The Giants problems go far beyond Wilson. I wouldn't look or expect for things to change any time soon.

His YPC is 3.4 (3.9 over his last 2 games) ... He's played DAL, DEN, CAR, & KC (all very good run Defenses).

He only has 38 carries this season. He avgs 9 carries a game ...How much can you do with that?

Doug Martin is averaging 3.4 ypc on 100 carries w/ 1 TD ... maybe TB should give up on him.

 

[Eminence]

CHOO- CHOO-

 

[Khy]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

 

[Khy]

CHOO- CHOO-

Dang, thought you left.

 

[Rove!]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

I hope you start him all year

 

[Eminence]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

 

[JuniorNB]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

I hope you start him all year

I hope you're not a ##### who disappears if Wilson has a big game. I kind of think you probably are.

 

[Khy]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

Hey... if we can criticize Wilson for having under 2ypc in the first half and make it seem like that's in any way meaningful then we can do the same for Charles. The difference is that the Chiefs feed Charles regardless of his production and don't pull him out after every decent run he has... when Charles busts a 10+ yard run they hand him the ball again. When Wilson makes a 10+ yard run they pull him out and put Scott in then go pass-pass-pass-punt.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

This saying is dumb. I can compare apples to oranges. Anyone can. There's nothing wrong with comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

or maybe when that o-line keeps two guys from hitting their backs two yards past the line of scrimmage. this offense is horrible, you can't support this idea that Wilson won't be good any more than I can support the idea that he will be a stud.

What we should be discussing is WTF is wrong with Eli? His passes are all over the place and he looks almost lost out there. Gilbride has to be the issue, I know Giants get a slow start to seasons but boy they look bad. The Giants front office should send a big gift basket to the San Diego front office for keeping their season alive.

 

[Eminence]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

Hey... if we can criticize Wilson for having under 2ypc in the first half and make it seem like that's in any way meaningful then we can do the same for Charles.

Variables.

Jamaal Charles has ran for over 1,100 yards every season he has been healthy. Jamaal Charles has a career YPC of 5.6. Jamaal Charles is a legit pass-catching threat, catching 23 passes in 4 games.

Charles is a proven NFL commodity.

 

[JuniorNB]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

True, Wilson has yet to sustain a major injury and miss the season. So Charles doesn't have Wilson's durability.

 

[Eminence]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

This saying is dumb. I can compare apples to oranges. Anyone can. There's nothing wrong with comparing apples and oranges.

Fine then,

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have a career YPC of 5.6 and 4,825 Career Rushing Yards (19 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have a career YPC of 4.5 and 488 Career Rushing Yards (4 Touchdowns).

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have caught 175 Passes for 1,495 Yards (9 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have caught 6 Passes for 42 Yards (1 Touchdown).

 

[Khy]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

Hey... if we can criticize Wilson for having under 2ypc in the first half and make it seem like that's in any way meaningful then we can do the same for Charles.

Variables.

Jamaal Charles has ran for over 1,100 yards every season he has been healthy. Jamaal Charles has a career YPC of 5.6. Jamaal Charles is a legit pass-catching threat, catching 23 passes in 4 games.

Charles is a proven NFL commodity.

Using your examples if proof for talent. Charles is 199 lbs so clearly he's a joke. Wilson can't be a good RB or pass block at 209lbs then Charles certainly can't at 199. Can we go back to you boy cotting this thread please? Common sense was at an all time high in the two pages you were absent for.

 

[Eminence]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

Hey... if we can criticize Wilson for having under 2ypc in the first half and make it seem like that's in any way meaningful then we can do the same for Charles.

Variables.

Jamaal Charles has ran for over 1,100 yards every season he has been healthy. Jamaal Charles has a career YPC of 5.6. Jamaal Charles is a legit pass-catching threat, catching 23 passes in 4 games.

Charles is a proven NFL commodity.

Using your examples if proof for talent. Charles is 199 lbs so clearly he's a joke. Wilson can't be a good RB or pass block at 209lbs then Charles certainly can't at 199. Can we go back to you boy cotting this thread please? Common sense was at an all time high in the two pages you were absent for.

Except the fact that they're, two different players? David Wilson can't hold Jamaal Charles' jock, bro. Don't ever compare those two players ever again.

 

[TheFanatic]

Wilson will continue to be a bust simply because the offensive line is awful. Defenders are in the backfield within a second on almost every play whether it's run or pass. The Giants would do themselves a HUGE favor by throwing some screen passes to Wilson to slow down those edge defenders but they seem content to continue to run the same offense they've run for years. Power run then throw deep every once in a while. Which is a total recipe for failure when power running nets you a yard each play and your QB doesn't have time to throw deep.

I don't care if that is Wilson, Jacobs or Scott. They HAVE to use the screen. But they don't...

 

[Short Corner]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

True, Wilson has yet to sustain a major injury and miss the season. So Charles doesn't have Wilson's durability.

You guys are really reaching here. Jamaal ####### Charles? Let's make sure that he is Mark Ingram and then move forward. Baby steps fellas.

 

[TheFanatic]

CHOO- CHOO-

shouldn't you be over in the Le'Veon Bell thread tooting your own horn saying the guy is a beast after 1 game of 40 yards rushing?

 

[Eminence]

CHOO- CHOO-

shouldn't you be over in the Le'Veon Bell thread tooting your own horn saying the guy is a beast after 1 game of 40 yards rushing?

Good thing I play Fantasy Football and Le'Veon Bell has more Fantasy Points in his first week playing than David Wilson has in 4-weeks combined!

#suckit

 

[Khy]

CHOO- CHOO-

shouldn't you be over in the Le'Veon Bell thread tooting your own horn saying the guy is a beast after 1 game of 40 yards rushing?

Good thing I play Fantasy Football and Le'Veon Bell has more Fantasy Points in his first week playing than David Wilson has in 4-weeks combined!

#suckit

You're ridiculous. This has a lot less to do with Wilson or Bell. Bell got two goal line carries. The Steelers scored 27 points. The Giants have scored 30 points in the last 3 weeks total. And 7 in the last two weeks. Stop blaming Wilson for the teams flaws.

 

[Eminence]

CHOO- CHOO-

shouldn't you be over in the Le'Veon Bell thread tooting your own horn saying the guy is a beast after 1 game of 40 yards rushing?

Good thing I play Fantasy Football and Le'Veon Bell has more Fantasy Points in his first week playing than David Wilson has in 4-weeks combined!

#suckit

You're ridiculous. This has a lot less to do with Wilson or Bell. Bell got two goal line carries. The Steelers scored 27 points. The Giants have scored 30 points in the last 3 weeks total. And 7 in the last two weeks. Stop blaming Wilson for the teams flaws.

Right? ...and isn't it common sense that a 230lb back would be featured in the Redzone?

I don't care about Wilson, he needs those long runs to be relevant. I knew he'd be a Fantasy Vaccuum. That's why I wanted Andre Brown: GOALLINE CARRIES. All I know is that I drafted Bell in like the 12th Round and he's outproducing a guy you guys took waaaaay earlier.

EDIT: And this is really the point I'm trying to make. I don't care about being right or wrong, it's just obnoxious for you guys to stubbornly come back into this thread week-in and week-out making excuses and complaining about David Wilson.

This is 4 - weeks now, it's clearly a trend. If you started this guy more than 2 weeks, I feel absolutely terrible for you. It's not that he doesn't have some type of value, some type of athletic ability, it's just not going to happen this year.

The line sucks, he's not getting goalline carries, his Fantasy Value relies on long touchdown runs, he's suspect in Pass Protection, he's not involved in the Passing Game, AND he doesn't have Coughlin's trust. This is almost the ANTITHESIS of a guy you want to make a Bandwagon Thread for.

Move the #### on, try to find a few other gems (Andre Ellington?) to fill your bye weeks and if Wilson does eventually produce it will be GRAVY for you. But at this point, you've got to pretend like the guy isn't even on your team.

He'll make a great buy-low, draft-low, whatever for next year. But right now, it's not looking too promising for David Wilson.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

This saying is dumb. I can compare apples to oranges. Anyone can. There's nothing wrong with comparing apples and oranges.

Fine then,

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have a career YPC of 5.6 and 4,825 Career Rushing Yards (19 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have a career YPC of 4.5 and 488 Career Rushing Yards (4 Touchdowns).

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have caught 175 Passes for 1,495 Yards (9 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have caught 6 Passes for 42 Yards (1 Touchdown).

I'm not using any specifics. I'm just saying it's pretty easy to compare apples and oranges.

 

[Eminence]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

This saying is dumb. I can compare apples to oranges. Anyone can. There's nothing wrong with comparing apples and oranges.

Fine then,

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have a career YPC of 5.6 and 4,825 Career Rushing Yards (19 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have a career YPC of 4.5 and 488 Career Rushing Yards (4 Touchdowns).

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have caught 175 Passes for 1,495 Yards (9 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have caught 6 Passes for 42 Yards (1 Touchdown).

I'm not using any specifics. I'm just saying it's pretty easy to compare apples and oranges.

Both fruit, both tasty.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

This saying is dumb. I can compare apples to oranges. Anyone can. There's nothing wrong with comparing apples and oranges.

Fine then,

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have a career YPC of 5.6 and 4,825 Career Rushing Yards (19 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have a career YPC of 4.5 and 488 Career Rushing Yards (4 Touchdowns).

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have caught 175 Passes for 1,495 Yards (9 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have caught 6 Passes for 42 Yards (1 Touchdown).

I'm not using any specifics. I'm just saying it's pretty easy to compare apples and oranges.

Both fruit, both tasty.

See?

 

[Loan Sharks]

WTF happened to the Giants?

general consensus in here is they have an elite talent in Wilson and are not using him enough

Definitely not the consensus, or even general consensus.

Only the consensus of delusional David Wilson owners.

He can't even get more than 3.5 YPC during garbage time when defenses are in the prevent. He can't break tackles, can't hold onto the football, and can't pass protect.

They're probably using him too much.

I would concur, it is definitely not a consensus. But for some reason the majority of people here thought Wilson was an "elite talent" despite reality.

No offense but this is a 79 page thread about a guy who couldn't beat out Andre Brown and is only starting due to injury.

 

[Rove!]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

I hope you start him all year

I hope you're not a ##### who disappears if Wilson has a big game. I kind of think you probably are.

we may never find out...

 

[TheFanatic]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

Hey... if we can criticize Wilson for having under 2ypc in the first half and make it seem like that's in any way meaningful then we can do the same for Charles.

Variables.

Jamaal Charles has ran for over 1,100 yards every season he has been healthy. Jamaal Charles has a career YPC of 5.6. Jamaal Charles is a legit pass-catching threat, catching 23 passes in 4 games.

Charles is a proven NFL commodity.

Using your examples if proof for talent. Charles is 199 lbs so clearly he's a joke. Wilson can't be a good RB or pass block at 209lbs then Charles certainly can't at 199. Can we go back to you boy cotting this thread please? Common sense was at an all time high in the two pages you were absent for.

Except the fact that they're, two different players? David Wilson can't hold Jamaal Charles' jock, bro. Don't ever compare those two players ever again.

I will not mention them together as soon as you stop saying RB's less than 220 can't play in the NFL.

 

[TheFanatic]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

I hope you start him all year

I hope you're not a ##### who disappears if Wilson has a big game. I kind of think you probably are.

we may never find out...

That's true! As a Wilson owner, I hope we do! So glad I traded that guy in one of my two leagues.

 

[B-Deep]

with games against the redskins and eagles, a big performance from wilson at some point seems inevitable, and the cowboys are certainly able to let anyone in a ginats uniform make them look silly at any point.

(this was NOT sarcasm, as many of my posts in here are)

however, he's a wing and a prayer play for fantasy right now. He ranks 64th in my ppr league right now, that is 64th among running backs, not 64th overall

 

[JuniorNB]

WTF happened to the Giants?

general consensus in here is they have an elite talent in Wilson and are not using him enough

Definitely not the consensus, or even general consensus.

Only the consensus of delusional David Wilson owners.

He can't even get more than 3.5 YPC during garbage time when defenses are in the prevent. He can't break tackles, can't hold onto the football, and can't pass protect.

They're probably using him too much.

I would concur, it is definitely not a consensus. But for some reason the majority of people here thought Wilson was an "elite talent" despite reality.

No offense but this is a 79 page thread about a guy who couldn't beat out Andre Brown and is only starting due to injury.

Psssst. Wilson was the starter before Brown went down. Brown was going to be third down and goal line.

Also, I hardly think the book is written yet on David Wilson. This season got derailed for him because of his two fumbles in week one.

 

[monk]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

This saying is dumb. I can compare apples to oranges. Anyone can. There's nothing wrong with comparing apples and oranges.

Fine then,

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have a career YPC of 5.6 and 4,825 Career Rushing Yards (19 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have a career YPC of 4.5 and 488 Career Rushing Yards (4 Touchdowns).

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have caught 175 Passes for 1,495 Yards (9 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have caught 6 Passes for 42 Yards (1 Touchdown).

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) rookie season - *age 22, Yds Rush 357, Rush TDs 0 Fumbles 2

Your oranges (David Wilson) rookie season - *age 21, Yds Rush 358, Rush TDs 4 Fumbles 1

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) 2nd season 1st 4 games - *age 23, Yds Rush 77, Rush TDs 0 Fumbles 1

Your oranges (David Wilson) 2nd season 1st 4 games - *age 22, Yds Rush 130, Rush TDs 0 Fumbles 2

*apples 1 1/2 years older than oranges

 

[Wrigley]

with games against the redskins and eagles, a big performance from wilson at some point seems inevitable, and the cowboys are certainly able to let anyone in a ginats uniform make them look silly at any point.

(this was NOT sarcasm, as many of my posts in here are)

however, he's a wing and a prayer play for fantasy right now. He ranks 64th in my ppr league right now, that is 64th among running backs, not 64th overall

I'll keep holding as a flex play

 

[dickey moe]

Still the #12 dynasty RB, FBGs?

 

[Khy]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

This saying is dumb. I can compare apples to oranges. Anyone can. There's nothing wrong with comparing apples and oranges.

Fine then,

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have a career YPC of 5.6 and 4,825 Career Rushing Yards (19 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have a career YPC of 4.5 and 488 Career Rushing Yards (4 Touchdowns).

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have caught 175 Passes for 1,495 Yards (9 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have caught 6 Passes for 42 Yards (1 Touchdown).

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) rookie season - *age 22, Yds Rush 357, Rush TDs 0 Fumbles 2

Your oranges (David Wilson) rookie season - *age 21, Yds Rush 358, Rush TDs 4 Fumbles 1

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) 2nd season 1st 4 games - *age 23, Yds Rush 77, Rush TDs 0 Fumbles 1

Your oranges (David Wilson) 2nd season 1st 4 games - *age 22, Yds Rush 130, Rush TDs 0 Fumbles 2

*apples 1 1/2 years older than oranges

Stop making complete sense. It makes people look bad.

 

[JuniorNB]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

This saying is dumb. I can compare apples to oranges. Anyone can. There's nothing wrong with comparing apples and oranges.

Fine then,

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have a career YPC of 5.6 and 4,825 Career Rushing Yards (19 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have a career YPC of 4.5 and 488 Career Rushing Yards (4 Touchdowns).

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have caught 175 Passes for 1,495 Yards (9 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have caught 6 Passes for 42 Yards (1 Touchdown).

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) rookie season - *age 22, Yds Rush 357, Rush TDs 0 Fumbles 2

Your oranges (David Wilson) rookie season - *age 21, Yds Rush 358, Rush TDs 4 Fumbles 1

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) 2nd season 1st 4 games - *age 23, Yds Rush 77, Rush TDs 0 Fumbles 1

Your oranges (David Wilson) 2nd season 1st 4 games - *age 22, Yds Rush 130, Rush TDs 0 Fumbles 2

*apples 1 1/2 years older than oranges

Poor Eminence. Where I come from, that's called a good old fashion ### whoopin'

 

[Insein]

This is the most bizarre situation. Wilso n is an above average talent probably being misused but people still blindly defend him like this is AP in the making.

For dynasty I get it. Hang in there.

For redraft though, odds are you got this guy as your rb2 and he is not startable for 4 straight weeks. You really can't afford to hang in there. Lets say he is being misused and that the coaching staff is blatantly ruining his potential, what have they done or said that shows you they realize the error of their ways? Can you afford to wait to find out who is at fault?

That's why I got off the wagon. Whether its his fault or not is irrelevant. He's not producing and hoping for a turnaround is not going to win games.

 

[TheFanatic]

DW is averaging 2 yards a carry in the first half

less than 2 ypc when ahead or tied

If the giant fall behind by 5 TDs in the first qtr, then he may become startable

And Jamaal Charles averaged 1.75ypc in the first half this week? Does he suck also? Should bench Charles clearly. Cause there are no 2nd halfs in football. The point some of us are trying to make is that when you feed Wilson his YPC climbs steadily and the numbers support that. You're just picking out random stats that have no bearing on a game and using them to prove your point.

Comparing David Wilson to Jamaal Charles is like comparing apples to oranges.

This saying is dumb. I can compare apples to oranges. Anyone can. There's nothing wrong with comparing apples and oranges.

Fine then,

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have a career YPC of 5.6 and 4,825 Career Rushing Yards (19 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have a career YPC of 4.5 and 488 Career Rushing Yards (4 Touchdowns).

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) have caught 175 Passes for 1,495 Yards (9 Touchdowns).

Your oranges (David Wilson) have caught 6 Passes for 42 Yards (1 Touchdown).

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) rookie season - *age 22, Yds Rush 357, Rush TDs 0 Fumbles 2

Your oranges (David Wilson) rookie season - *age 21, Yds Rush 358, Rush TDs 4 Fumbles 1

Your apples (Jamaal Charles) 2nd season 1st 4 games - *age 23, Yds Rush 77, Rush TDs 0 Fumbles 1

Your oranges (David Wilson) 2nd season 1st 4 games - *age 22, Yds Rush 130, Rush TDs 0 Fumbles 2

*apples 1 1/2 years older than oranges

Poor Eminence. Where I come from, that's called a good old fashion ### whoopin'

But he said never to mention the two together, so this is sort of argument is not allowed...

 

[FDC]

This is the most bizarre situation. Wilso n is an above average talent probably being misused but people still blindly defend him like this is AP in the making.

For dynasty I get it. Hang in there.

For redraft though, odds are you got this guy as your rb2 and he is not startable for 4 straight weeks. You really can't afford to hang in there. Lets say he is being misused and that the coaching staff is blatantly ruining his potential, what have they done or said that shows you they realize the error of their ways? Can you afford to wait to find out who is at fault?

That's why I got off the wagon. Whether its his fault or not is irrelevant. He's not producing and hoping for a turnaround is not going to win games.

OK then lets talk about realistic 1 for 1 trade opportunities

What makes sense?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I feel like you almost have to start him against the Eagles... even Ryan Mathews posted 4.56ypc against them.

LOL of course you do.

Also, you're referencing Ryan Matthews as if David Wilson is night and day a better RB -- he's not.

 

[Banger]

This is the most bizarre situation. Wilso n is an above average talent probably being misused but people still blindly defend him like this is AP in the making.

For dynasty I get it. Hang in there.

For redraft though, odds are you got this guy as your rb2 and he is not startable for 4 straight weeks. You really can't afford to hang in there. Lets say he is being misused and that the coaching staff is blatantly ruining his potential, what have they done or said that shows you they realize the error of their ways? Can you afford to wait to find out who is at fault?

That's why I got off the wagon. Whether its his fault or not is irrelevant. He's not producing and hoping for a turnaround is not going to win games.

I totally agree with this. I usually like to be a year early rather than be a year late and this year may be a year early. He has things he needs to work on but he'll be a good RB possibly similar to a Charles once he figures it out.

 

[Banger]

This is the most bizarre situation. Wilso n is an above average talent probably being misused but people still blindly defend him like this is AP in the making.

For dynasty I get it. Hang in there.

For redraft though, odds are you got this guy as your rb2 and he is not startable for 4 straight weeks. You really can't afford to hang in there. Lets say he is being misused and that the coaching staff is blatantly ruining his potential, what have they done or said that shows you they realize the error of their ways? Can you afford to wait to find out who is at fault?

That's why I got off the wagon. Whether its his fault or not is irrelevant. He's not producing and hoping for a turnaround is not going to win games.

OK then lets talk about realistic 1 for 1 trade opportunities

What makes sense?

Joquie Bell?

 

[FDC]

Joique is realistic? He is top 5 in scoring in most formats

 

[Ray]

Not sure if it was mentioned, but Scott had a very bad fumble on an exchange with Eli in the fourth quarter. The game was really out of reach, but we all know how Coughlin feels about fumbles. Just something to keep an eye on.

I expected to see this mentioned sooner. Wilson had two receptions (first two of the year?) after this fumble (though he was also targeted once before the fumble).

In PPR leagues, Wilson in during passing situations (every GD Giants game) could move him from never-start to okay-ish start.

 

[Banger]

Joique is realistic? He is top 5 in scoring in most formats

may be to some. I'm pretty deep and I have Bell and I might deal him for Wilson given the opportunity because I can park him on my bench and wait. If he blows up, he plays, if he continues to suck, it was a bad trade but wouldn't cripple me. I certainly don't expect Bell to remain top 5, 10 or 20 over the course of the year...nor do I expect Wilson to remain 64th or whatever he is. Seasons have ebbs and flows and timing is everything.

 

[Khy]

Joique is realistic? He is top 5 in scoring in most formats

may be to some. I'm pretty deep and I have Bell and I might deal him for Wilson given the opportunity because I can park him on my bench and wait. If he blows up, he plays, if he continues to suck, it was a bad trade but wouldn't cripple me. I certainly don't expect Bell to remain top 5, 10 or 20 over the course of the year...nor do I expect Wilson to remain 64th or whatever he is. Seasons have ebbs and flows and timing is everything.

Yeah, I think we saw this week that Bell's real value comes from goal-line carries and Bush being injured. If Bush were to miss time again we saw that Bell is probably an elite-RB1 start during the time Bush misses. But otherwise, he's a low-RB2/high upside Flex. Wilson still does have the potential to be who we thought he'd be coming into the season. So if you have the room to bench him it's worth it.

Again talking regarding Jamaal Charles very similar first and second season starts... it took Charles until Week 10 to finally do something and when he did he exploded. In his second season during his last 8 games he posted 161 Carries, 968 yards, 6.01ypc and 7 TDs after starting the season during the first 8 games with 29 carries, 152 yards, 5.24ypc and 0 TDs.

Is David Wilson Jammal Charles? No, Jamaal Charles is Jamaal Charles and nobody else. But the point does stand to reason. Charles was being under utilized by the Chiefs and didn't see a real chance until the team started the season 1-7 through the first 8 games. Then they finally said "Ahh screw it, Larry Johnson sucks, lets see what Charles can do" and he exploded. We may be seeing a similar situation here with Wilson. We'd like to 'hope' that it happens sooner than Week 10 for Wilson and it might. Is Wilson going to come in and put together 1000 yards over 8 games and 7 TDs? Maybe... maybe not.

The main point here is that we have to assume he eventually gets the chance again to be that true lead back. We haven't seen any 'reason to believe' that right now. And people like Eminence and B-Deep can make the argument that "the coaches may not see the talent everyone else thinks they're seeing" but I think that's a ridiculous comment. It's a wait and see approach and he's still an amazing buy-low in dynasty and a worthwhile buy low if you have room to stash him in redraft.

I still think even on 15 carries there's a good chance he explodes this week against Philly in what should be a closer game. Philly's defense has been a complete mess and no where even close to the caliber of Dallas, Denver, Carolina or KC.

 

[B-Deep]

Joique is realistic? He is top 5 in scoring in most formats

may be to some. I'm pretty deep and I have Bell and I might deal him for Wilson given the opportunity because I can park him on my bench and wait. If he blows up, he plays, if he continues to suck, it was a bad trade but wouldn't cripple me. I certainly don't expect Bell to remain top 5, 10 or 20 over the course of the year...nor do I expect Wilson to remain 64th or whatever he is. Seasons have ebbs and flows and timing is everything.

Yeah, I think we saw this week that Bell's real value comes from goal-line carries and Bush being injured. If Bush were to miss time again we saw that Bell is probably an elite-RB1 start during the time Bush misses. But otherwise, he's a low-RB2/high upside Flex. Wilson still does have the potential to be who we thought he'd be coming into the season. So if you have the room to bench him it's worth it.

Again talking regarding Jamaal Charles very similar first and second season starts... it took Charles until Week 10 to finally do something and when he did he exploded. In his second season during his last 8 games he posted 161 Carries, 968 yards, 6.01ypc and 7 TDs after starting the season during the first 8 games with 29 carries, 152 yards, 5.24ypc and 0 TDs.

Is David Wilson Jammal Charles? No, Jamaal Charles is Jamaal Charles and nobody else. But the point does stand to reason. Charles was being under utilized by the Chiefs and didn't see a real chance until the team started the season 1-7 through the first 8 games. Then they finally said "Ahh screw it, Larry Johnson sucks, lets see what Charles can do" and he exploded. We may be seeing a similar situation here with Wilson. We'd like to 'hope' that it happens sooner than Week 10 for Wilson and it might. Is Wilson going to come in and put together 1000 yards over 8 games and 7 TDs? Maybe... maybe not.

The main point here is that we have to assume he eventually gets the chance again to be that true lead back. We haven't seen any 'reason to believe' that right now. And people like Eminence and B-Deep can make the argument that "the coaches may not see the talent everyone else thinks they're seeing" but I think that's a ridiculous comment. It's a wait and see approach and he's still an amazing buy-low in dynasty and a worthwhile buy low if you have room to stash him in redraft.

I still think even on 15 carries there's a good chance he explodes this week against Philly in what should be a closer game. Philly's defense has been a complete mess and no where even close to the caliber of Dallas, Denver, Carolina or KC.

I don't like being grouped in with Eminence

and, my position is that the coaches are doing what they think gives them the best chance to win, which includes not giving Wilson as many carries as you would, and continuing to sub in the other Running Backs. Given that, which is not an opinion or thought it is a fact, the idea that they don't see the upside you see is certainly not ridiculous. It may be wrong, the coaches may think this and they may be wrong, but to totally dismiss the fact that they don't think he has the upside you do seems like tunnel vision. I don;t know if this kid will be a succesful NFL RB, I am just arguing with people who seem to think he is can't miss talent and the giants know it. Maybe he turns it around, but maybe he is a dud and never amounts to anything. I see both as possible, you seem to say his eventual success is inevitable.

I am 100% convinced that if the giants thought this guy was an elite RB they'd keep him on the field more.

what is your position on why he is not featured? They are willing to lose these games to bring him along slowly? Are they are willing to lose these games because they want to teach him a lesson? Or do they think the game plan that gives them the best chance to win is not one where he is featured?