***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (2 Viewers)

[MoveToSkypager]

I hope Doctor DR isn't a chiropractor.

No, I'm not a chiroquacker

Whew!

 

[Cheesedawg]

Bump. We need to speed this up. I need the roster spot.

#100pagesordie

 

[Rove!]

I'm suggesting a sell low here

get what you can before they decide to go with what they have and not bring him back

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I'm given up trying to acquire him in dynasty. I don't think he has any value anymore. Worthless roster displacement is all he is now. We'll forget him in 2 years.

 

[Andrew74]

The only way a 22 yo 1st round RB has no value is if you don't think he'll ever play again.

 

[Khy]

The only way a 22 yo 1st round RB has no value is if you don't think he'll ever play again.

Or if his name is Ron Dayne, Mark Ingram, Donald Brown, Felix Jones and a slew of other guys that were busts since the day they were drafted. I'm a big Wilson supporter but this statement simply isn't true.

 

[Rove!]

The only way a 22 yo 1st round RB has no value is if you don't think he'll ever play again.

Or if his name is Ron Dayne, Mark Ingram, Donald Brown, Felix Jones and a slew of other guys that were busts since the day they were drafted. I'm a big Wilson supporter but this statement simply isn't true.

depends on how many guys you can stash...

 

[Khy]

The only way a 22 yo 1st round RB has no value is if you don't think he'll ever play again.

Or if his name is Ron Dayne, Mark Ingram, Donald Brown, Felix Jones and a slew of other guys that were busts since the day they were drafted. I'm a big Wilson supporter but this statement simply isn't true.

depends on how many guys you can stash...

Yeah, I mean... I'll 'likely' be trying to snag him this week or next week. I dropped him when the injury happened because I needed the space. But right now I'm sitting on Nick Foles who I'd like to drop with nobody else on the WW that I'm interested in really. All the IR/Injury guys are gone (Crabtree, Harvin, Brown, Vereen etc.) Wilson is out there though and then there's a few solid guys who hold that "If RB1 goes down they could be an RB1" like Joique Bell, Bryce Brown, Donald Brown, Kendall Hunter types (non-ppr obviously). Right now I'm mainly trying to flip a three sided coin between Bell, Bryce and Wilson.

 

[Cheesedawg]

The only way a 22 yo 1st round RB has no value is if you don't think he'll ever play again.

Well, that is a concern here, isn't it? Either not play again or be unable to handle an every-down role. It looks like those are certainly legit worries with regards to 2013 at the very least.

 

[Cheesedawg]

The only way a 22 yo 1st round RB has no value is if you don't think he'll ever play again.

Or if his name is Ron Dayne, Mark Ingram, Donald Brown, Felix Jones and a slew of other guys that were busts since the day they were drafted. I'm a big Wilson supporter but this statement simply isn't true.

depends on how many guys you can stash...

Yeah, I mean... I'll 'likely' be trying to snag him this week or next week. I dropped him when the injury happened because I needed the space. But right now I'm sitting on Nick Foles who I'd like to drop with nobody else on the WW that I'm interested in really. All the IR/Injury guys are gone (Crabtree, Harvin, Brown, Vereen etc.) Wilson is out there though and then there's a few solid guys who hold that "If RB1 goes down they could be an RB1" like Joique Bell, Bryce Brown, Donald Brown, Kendall Hunter types (non-ppr obviously). Right now I'm mainly trying to flip a three sided coin between Bell, Bryce and Wilson.

I own all three of those guys, coincidentally. For 2013 I'd much rather have Joique than Brown or Wilson, and I'd rather have Brown than Wilson if it was between those two. If Andre Brown wasn't returning it might be different, but the best Wilson can do in '13 is have a piece of a role on a bad running team.

 

[JuniorNB]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

Wow. Hillis is averaging a whole .25 yards more per touch. In 400 carries, that would cover the field.

Also, the fact that it took Wilson five games to accumulate 50 touches and Hillis only one to get 24, is the whole problem. They were giving Dar'rel Scott the third down dump passes that were netting 8-10 yards. And Jacobs the goal line work. If Coughlin had been wiser and not punishing him for his week one fumbles, Wilson very well may have gotten into a grove and shown the explosiveness that we all saw in preseason. But if you want to pretend that Hillis is the better back, go right ahead. Your lack of intelligence is no sweat off of my back.

I didn't say Hillis was better. Maybe you meant to respond to a different post.

What were you saying, exactly?

Exactly?

I said "David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September."

Sweet. You've proven you can be an idiot twice in the same thread. Congrats.

 

[steveski]

I'll still be a frequent visitor here because I still think this guy has a promising career assuming the injury doesn't end it for him. That being said, I dropped him this morning to pick up Andre Brown. I haven't been seeing enough news about him to give me any confidence that he will be back this season and the league I own him in I have a rough bye week situation with Charles and Vereen still on IR/bye week 10. I don't see any reason why Brown wouldn't jump in at the starting role week 10. If I had any news that gave me any bit of confidence that he'd be back within the next few weeks then I'd rather own Wilson still, but I just can't do it.

Ride on bandwagon. This guy has talent and after seeing every one of his snaps, I still don't see any signs pointing towards him being a bust.

 

[Khy]

I'll still be a frequent visitor here because I still think this guy has a promising career assuming the injury doesn't end it for him. That being said, I dropped him this morning to pick up Andre Brown. I haven't been seeing enough news about him to give me any confidence that he will be back this season and the league I own him in I have a rough bye week situation with Charles and Vereen still on IR/bye week 10. I don't see any reason why Brown wouldn't jump in at the starting role week 10. If I had any news that gave me any bit of confidence that he'd be back within the next few weeks then I'd rather own Wilson still, but I just can't do it.

Ride on bandwagon. This guy has talent and after seeing every one of his snaps, I still don't see any signs pointing towards him being a bust.

It's going to be one of those CJ Spiller situations. Just when everyone finally says 'Forget him, he's a bust' he'll break out and have a season for the ages. Maybe next season? If he goes to IR this year and Brown finishes the season off hot. Giants bring him and Brown back. Similar situation with FJax and Spiller. Old good veteran who people just assume will get the nod.

 

[TheFanatic]

I'll still be a frequent visitor here because I still think this guy has a promising career assuming the injury doesn't end it for him. That being said, I dropped him this morning to pick up Andre Brown. I haven't been seeing enough news about him to give me any confidence that he will be back this season and the league I own him in I have a rough bye week situation with Charles and Vereen still on IR/bye week 10. I don't see any reason why Brown wouldn't jump in at the starting role week 10. If I had any news that gave me any bit of confidence that he'd be back within the next few weeks then I'd rather own Wilson still, but I just can't do it.

Ride on bandwagon. This guy has talent and after seeing every one of his snaps, I still don't see any signs pointing towards him being a bust.

It's going to be one of those CJ Spiller situations. Just when everyone finally says 'Forget him, he's a bust' he'll break out and have a season for the ages. Maybe next season? If he goes to IR this year and Brown finishes the season off hot. Giants bring him and Brown back. Similar situation with FJax and Spiller. Old good veteran who people just assume will get the nod.

Better yet, he comes back, splits time with Brown until Brown gets injured again, and then tears it up for 2-3 games and that gets us another 100 pages!

 

[MoveToSkypager]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

Wow. Hillis is averaging a whole .25 yards more per touch. In 400 carries, that would cover the field.

Also, the fact that it took Wilson five games to accumulate 50 touches and Hillis only one to get 24, is the whole problem. They were giving Dar'rel Scott the third down dump passes that were netting 8-10 yards. And Jacobs the goal line work. If Coughlin had been wiser and not punishing him for his week one fumbles, Wilson very well may have gotten into a grove and shown the explosiveness that we all saw in preseason. But if you want to pretend that Hillis is the better back, go right ahead. Your lack of intelligence is no sweat off of my back.

I didn't say Hillis was better. Maybe you meant to respond to a different post.

What were you saying, exactly?

Exactly?

I said "David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September."

Sweet. You've proven you can be an idiot twice in the same thread. Congrats.

You are not being excellent here, friend.

 

[JuniorNB]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

Wow. Hillis is averaging a whole .25 yards more per touch. In 400 carries, that would cover the field.

Also, the fact that it took Wilson five games to accumulate 50 touches and Hillis only one to get 24, is the whole problem. They were giving Dar'rel Scott the third down dump passes that were netting 8-10 yards. And Jacobs the goal line work. If Coughlin had been wiser and not punishing him for his week one fumbles, Wilson very well may have gotten into a grove and shown the explosiveness that we all saw in preseason. But if you want to pretend that Hillis is the better back, go right ahead. Your lack of intelligence is no sweat off of my back.

I didn't say Hillis was better. Maybe you meant to respond to a different post.

What were you saying, exactly?

Exactly?

I said "David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September."

Sweet. You've proven you can be an idiot twice in the same thread. Congrats.

You are not being excellent here, friend.

They've allowed the trolling to go way too far in this thread. If the intent is to push buttons, don't be shocked when buttons are pushed. Friend.

 

[Cheesedawg]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

Wow. Hillis is averaging a whole .25 yards more per touch. In 400 carries, that would cover the field.

Also, the fact that it took Wilson five games to accumulate 50 touches and Hillis only one to get 24, is the whole problem. They were giving Dar'rel Scott the third down dump passes that were netting 8-10 yards. And Jacobs the goal line work. If Coughlin had been wiser and not punishing him for his week one fumbles, Wilson very well may have gotten into a grove and shown the explosiveness that we all saw in preseason. But if you want to pretend that Hillis is the better back, go right ahead. Your lack of intelligence is no sweat off of my back.

I didn't say Hillis was better. Maybe you meant to respond to a different post.

What were you saying, exactly?

Exactly?

I said "David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September."

Sweet. You've proven you can be an idiot twice in the same thread. Congrats.

You are not being excellent here, friend.

They've allowed the trolling to go way too far in this thread. If the intent is to push buttons, don't be shocked when buttons are pushed. Friend.

The good part is that the trolling has helped push this to 99 pages.

I had to waive Joseph Randle because this trek to 100 is taking too long.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

Wow. Hillis is averaging a whole .25 yards more per touch. In 400 carries, that would cover the field.

Also, the fact that it took Wilson five games to accumulate 50 touches and Hillis only one to get 24, is the whole problem. They were giving Dar'rel Scott the third down dump passes that were netting 8-10 yards. And Jacobs the goal line work. If Coughlin had been wiser and not punishing him for his week one fumbles, Wilson very well may have gotten into a grove and shown the explosiveness that we all saw in preseason. But if you want to pretend that Hillis is the better back, go right ahead. Your lack of intelligence is no sweat off of my back.

I didn't say Hillis was better. Maybe you meant to respond to a different post.

What were you saying, exactly?

Exactly?

I said "David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September."

Sweet. You've proven you can be an idiot twice in the same thread. Congrats.

You are not being excellent here, friend.

They've allowed the trolling to go way too far in this thread. If the intent is to push buttons, don't be shocked when buttons are pushed. Friend.

It seems you think I'm being an antagonist. I'm not trying to do that. I didn't include a conclusion because I wanted the readers to form their own. It happens all the time on this message board and there is nothing wrong with it. If you don't think there is anything to conclude with that information, then that's fine. There isn't a reason to criticize the post or me because you didn't find it useful.

 

[Rove!]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

Wow. Hillis is averaging a whole .25 yards more per touch. In 400 carries, that would cover the field.

Also, the fact that it took Wilson five games to accumulate 50 touches and Hillis only one to get 24, is the whole problem. They were giving Dar'rel Scott the third down dump passes that were netting 8-10 yards. And Jacobs the goal line work. If Coughlin had been wiser and not punishing him for his week one fumbles, Wilson very well may have gotten into a grove and shown the explosiveness that we all saw in preseason. But if you want to pretend that Hillis is the better back, go right ahead. Your lack of intelligence is no sweat off of my back.

I didn't say Hillis was better. Maybe you meant to respond to a different post.

What were you saying, exactly?

Exactly?

I said "David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September."

Sweet. You've proven you can be an idiot twice in the same thread. Congrats.

You are not being excellent here, friend.

They've allowed the trolling to go way too far in this thread. If the intent is to push buttons, don't be shocked when buttons are pushed. Friend.

It seems you think I'm being an antagonist. I'm not trying to do that. I didn't include a conclusion because I wanted the readers to form their own. It happens all the time on this message board and there is nothing wrong with it. If you don't think there is anything to conclude with that information, then that's fine. There isn't a reason to criticize the post or me because you didn't find it useful.

This is the internet where people will argue anything to the nth degree and go through logical gymnastics that twist like a pretzel rather than re-think their assumptions. Any facts that conflict to with their preconceived notions are "trolling"

 

[TheFanatic]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

Wow. Hillis is averaging a whole .25 yards more per touch. In 400 carries, that would cover the field.

Also, the fact that it took Wilson five games to accumulate 50 touches and Hillis only one to get 24, is the whole problem. They were giving Dar'rel Scott the third down dump passes that were netting 8-10 yards. And Jacobs the goal line work. If Coughlin had been wiser and not punishing him for his week one fumbles, Wilson very well may have gotten into a grove and shown the explosiveness that we all saw in preseason. But if you want to pretend that Hillis is the better back, go right ahead. Your lack of intelligence is no sweat off of my back.

I didn't say Hillis was better. Maybe you meant to respond to a different post.

What were you saying, exactly?

Exactly?

I said "David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September."

Sweet. You've proven you can be an idiot twice in the same thread. Congrats.

You are not being excellent here, friend.

They've allowed the trolling to go way too far in this thread. If the intent is to push buttons, don't be shocked when buttons are pushed. Friend.

It seems you think I'm being an antagonist. I'm not trying to do that. I didn't include a conclusion because I wanted the readers to form their own. It happens all the time on this message board and there is nothing wrong with it. If you don't think there is anything to conclude with that information, then that's fine. There isn't a reason to criticize the post or me because you didn't find it useful.

This is the internet where people will argue anything to the nth degree and go through logical gymnastics that twist like a pretzel rather than re-think their assumptions. Any facts that conflict to with their preconceived notions are "trolling"

Don't forget fan boys or homers. I hate those guys too!

 

[Rove!]

This is the internet where people will argue anything to the nth degree and go through logical gymnastics that twist like a pretzel rather than re-think their assumptions. Any facts that conflict to with their preconceived notions are "trolling"

Don't forget fan boys or homers. I hate those guys too!

I'm sure they're good people, but guilty of wish-casting.

 

[iamkoza]

so this is the only david wilson update so far this week?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24122924/video-giants-rb-david-wilson-wanders-new-york-in-rabbit-mask

 

[MoveToSkypager]

David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September.

Wow. Hillis is averaging a whole .25 yards more per touch. In 400 carries, that would cover the field.

Also, the fact that it took Wilson five games to accumulate 50 touches and Hillis only one to get 24, is the whole problem. They were giving Dar'rel Scott the third down dump passes that were netting 8-10 yards. And Jacobs the goal line work. If Coughlin had been wiser and not punishing him for his week one fumbles, Wilson very well may have gotten into a grove and shown the explosiveness that we all saw in preseason. But if you want to pretend that Hillis is the better back, go right ahead. Your lack of intelligence is no sweat off of my back.

I didn't say Hillis was better. Maybe you meant to respond to a different post.

What were you saying, exactly?

Exactly?

I said "David Wilson has 154 yards, 1 TD and 2 fumbles on 50 rushes/targets over 5 games. Peyton Hillis has 81 yards, 1 TD and 0 fumbles on 24 rushes/targets in 1 game. Same line, same coach. Same Peyton Hillis that was released by the Bucs in September."

Sweet. You've proven you can be an idiot twice in the same thread. Congrats.

You are not being excellent here, friend.

They've allowed the trolling to go way too far in this thread. If the intent is to push buttons, don't be shocked when buttons are pushed. Friend.

It seems you think I'm being an antagonist. I'm not trying to do that. I didn't include a conclusion because I wanted the readers to form their own. It happens all the time on this message board and there is nothing wrong with it. If you don't think there is anything to conclude with that information, then that's fine. There isn't a reason to criticize the post or me because you didn't find it useful.

This is the internet where people will argue anything to the nth degree and go through logical gymnastics that twist like a pretzel rather than re-think their assumptions. Any facts that conflict to with their preconceived notions are "trolling"

You are right. I could have not been a smart ###, but I'm trying to do my part in getting this to 100. It's like people don't care anymore.

 

[TheFanatic]

And you're doing an admirable job. And I, for one, do care. I'm doing all I can!

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

And you're doing an admirable job. And I, for one, do care. I'm doing all I can!

+1. sorry for slacking last week.

 

[nobiz]

Anyone who claims Andre Brown is a better prospect than David Wilson is, himself, the i**** word.

 

[steveski]

Anyone who claims Andre Brown is a better prospect than David Wilson is, himself, the i**** word.

Not sure what the curse word is that starts with i?

But yeah, I agree. David Wilson hasn't lived up to the hype, his potential, whatever everyone wants to call it this year. If he turns out fine and doesn't have anything career threatening, I'm still convinced he will be a top 10 fantasy back in the near future. As a Giants fan, I'm fine with them sitting him the rest of the year unless they miraculously make a comeback in their division and are somehow in the hunt for the playoffs. People easily forget how he looked at the end of last year. I'm not sure what they're excuses are for that. I think it's pretty clear what the excuse was the beginning of this year. Terrible team, terrible offensive line, always getting hit in the backfield, not being used properly (between the tackles, not in space). If he doesn't play another snap this year as a precaution and he's 100% going into next year, I wonder what his ADP will be.

 

[Khy]

Anyone who claims Andre Brown is a better prospect than David Wilson is, himself, the i**** word.

Not sure what the curse word is that starts with i?

But yeah, I agree. David Wilson hasn't lived up to the hype, his potential, whatever everyone wants to call it this year. If he turns out fine and doesn't have anything career threatening, I'm still convinced he will be a top 10 fantasy back in the near future. As a Giants fan, I'm fine with them sitting him the rest of the year unless they miraculously make a comeback in their division and are somehow in the hunt for the playoffs. People easily forget how he looked at the end of last year. I'm not sure what they're excuses are for that. I think it's pretty clear what the excuse was the beginning of this year. Terrible team, terrible offensive line, always getting hit in the backfield, not being used properly (between the tackles, not in space). If he doesn't play another snap this year as a precaution and he's 100% going into next year, I wonder what his ADP will be.

If he's shut down this season? And is healthy going into next? I expect him to be around a 4th-5th round pick in 2014 similar to how Spiller was in 2012. People will have finally given up on the bandwagon, assumed he's a bust. Just at the right time. Now obviously, there's no guarantee he turns into 2012 Spiller either, it's just as possible this turns into a Felix Jones/Mark Ingram situation where every year there's a thread "THIS IS THE SEASON... 2014 DAVID WILSON, STARS ALIGNED!" and then he goes on to nothingness. Similar to Jones in 2010, Ingram in 20everyyear.

As a Dynasty owner in a couple leagues and a Giants fan? I'm personally hoping that they just shut him down for the season. Unless there is absolutely no risk to his health past normal health risks of playing in the NFL. I'd rather see him get rest and come out next season: healthy and able to assist a hopefully better team.

 

[Cheesedawg]

Does anyone believe that, after a 3-5 week wait, Wilson will suddenly be fully cleared to assume a big workload for the Giants in 2013? Doctor DR? Any chance?

 

[TheFanatic]

Does anyone believe that, after a 3-5 week wait, Wilson will suddenly be fully cleared to assume a big workload for the Giants in 2013? Doctor DR? Any chance?

One would assume they would feed the kid the rock simply to see if they need to use a high pick on a RB next year. I assume they are using a pick on a RB next year no matter what, but how he does at the end of the season could be the difference between them using a 2 and taking a RB in the 5th.

 

[steveski]

Does anyone believe that, after a 3-5 week wait, Wilson will suddenly be fully cleared to assume a big workload for the Giants in 2013? Doctor DR? Any chance?

I don't know why there is a 3-5 week wait before he finds out any more info anyways. Are they walking the test results across the country? Since he's in no pain, it seems to me like he's good to go or he's done...possibly for good. Or at least he'll need some type of preventative surgery. I don't understand the lack of info or the 4 week wait period at all.

 

[Cheesedawg]

FWIW, Eric Karabell answered a Wilson-related question on twitter this way:

Eric Karabell ‏@karabellespn 13h

Believe it or not, no. “@azervas79: @karabellespn would you drop David Wilson for Vereen?”

 

[msudaisy26]

David Wilson has very little value this year, however it is too early to call his NFL career a bust. Plenty of good backs have turned it around after a bad first 2 years in the league. Will Wilson do it? I don't know, I hope so since I am an owner in dynasty.

If I didn't own Wilson I would be looking to buy but I wouldn't pay anymore than a late 1st in dynasty or a player equal to that, as a Wilson owner in a dynasty I wouldn't take a late a first or player equal to that.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Recentish 1st round draft pick RBs and compared Y/A and fumble rate with Wilson in their first 2 years:

Better Y/A, better Fumble rate

Felix Jones

Chris Johnson

Adrian Peterson

Jonathan Stewart

DeAngelo Williams

Rashard Mendenhall

Steven Jackson

Joseph Addai

Laurence Maroney

Better Y/A, worse fumble rate

Ryan Mathews

C.J. Spiller

Worse Y/A, better fumble rate

William Green

Ronnie Brown

Chris Wells

Knowshon Moreno

Cadillac Williams

Trent Richardson

Kevin Jones

T.J. Duckett

Willis McGahee

Marshawn Lynch

Doug Martin

Donald Brown

Cedric Benson

Jahvid Best

Mark Ingram

Worse Y/A, worse fumble rate

Darren McFadden

Reggie Bush

This list means nothing, unless you want it to mean something. Just don't ask me.

 

[Khy]

Recentish 1st round draft pick RBs and compared Y/A and fumble rate with Wilson in their first 2 years:

Better Y/A, better Fumble rate

Felix Jones

Chris Johnson

Adrian Peterson

Jonathan Stewart

DeAngelo Williams

Rashard Mendenhall

Steven Jackson

Joseph Addai

Laurence Maroney

Better Y/A, worse fumble rate

Ryan Mathews

C.J. Spiller

Worse Y/A, better fumble rate

William Green

Ronnie Brown

Chris Wells

Knowshon Moreno

Cadillac Williams

Trent Richardson

Kevin Jones

T.J. Duckett

Willis McGahee

Marshawn Lynch

Doug Martin

Donald Brown

Cedric Benson

Jahvid Best

Mark Ingram

Worse Y/A, worse fumble rate

Darren McFadden

Reggie Bush

This list means nothing, unless you want it to mean something. Just don't ask me.

I'd be interested in seeing actual numbers... like when you say "better fumble rate" and "better Y/A" are you doing the math on these guys in their first... 21 games like Wilson has played? That can hold a lot more water than including entire careers. Just simple example.

First 110-120ish carries:

David Wilson (115 carries): 4.38ypc, 19.16 carries/TD, 38.33 carries/fumble

Adrian Peterson (128 carries): 5.24ypc, 25.6 carries/TD, 64 carries/fumble

CJ Spiller (114 carries): 2.62ypc, 114 carries/TD, 19 carries/fumble

Reggie Bush (119 carries): 3.09ypc, 29.75 carries/TD, 59.5 carries/fumble

Jamaal Chalres (114 carries): 5.36ypc, 114 carries/TD, 38 carries/fumble

Again, small sample size. It doesn't "really" mean anything. All it can go to show is don't be so quick to judge the early carries of a RBs career. Wilson has a better YPC than Bush and Spiller early on, a better TD percentage than all of the guys above and his carries/fumble were above Charles and Spiller. If he plays again this season he might explode, if not he might explode next season. The main point here is it's really hard to judge a player on their early carries... very few and far between do we see Doug Martin, Alfred Morris, ADP type of starts to careers. More often then not we see the Charles, Spiller, Lynch types where they don't hit the ground running and a few seasons down the lines everything finally adds up for them and they dominate for a few seasons. That said, again... Wilson can still turn out to be the next Felix Jones as well.

 

[zamboni]

David Wilson has very little value this year, however it is too early to call his NFL career a bust. Plenty of good backs have turned it around after a bad first 2 years in the league. Will Wilson do it? I don't know, I hope so since I am an owner in dynasty.

Agreed, and also a keeper owner here.

That said, I'm not overly confident that Wilson will come anywhere near expectations of what he looked to be capable of. My main concern is that team brass may have lost faith in his ability to be a bell cow, no matter how much natural ability he has. The window of opportunity for a starting RB is not huge in the NFL, and for all we know, Wilson may be relegated to RBBC at best in the future.

The one saving grace is that the team used a 1st rounder on him, so I don't see them pushing him aside that quickly. And I doubt they use another early round pick on an RB when they can find guys either in FA or later in the draft - after Ron Dayne and now Wilson, they've been burned on the 1st round RBs to date.

 

[cstu]

At this point it doesn't matter to the Giants where they drafted him. What he has going for him is that he's a very fast 22 yo RB with a relatively cheap contract for a couple more years. They'd certainly love him to be the guy they thought he was, but they will bring in some competition for him next year.

 

[cstu]

Does anyone believe that, after a 3-5 week wait, Wilson will suddenly be fully cleared to assume a big workload for the Giants in 2013? Doctor DR? Any chance?

One would assume they would feed the kid the rock simply to see if they need to use a high pick on a RB next year. I assume they are using a pick on a RB next year no matter what, but how he does at the end of the season could be the difference between them using a 2 and taking a RB in the 5th.

Too many needs for them to take a RB early and the RB class doesn't look that promising. I could see them rolling the dice on a bigger back in the mid rounds like Crowell or Wilder.

 

[qimqam]

FWIW, Eric Karabell answered a Wilson-related question on twitter this way:

Eric Karabell ‏@karabellespn 13h

Believe it or not, no. “@azervas79: @karabellespn would you drop David Wilson for Vereen?”

who is eric karabell?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I'd be interested in seeing actual numbers... like when you say "better fumble rate" and "better Y/A" are you doing the math on these guys in their first... 21 games like Wilson has played? That can hold a lot more water than including entire careers. Just simple example.

Again, small sample size. It doesn't "really" mean anything. All it can go to show is don't be so quick to judge the early carries of a RBs career. Wilson has a better YPC than Bush and Spiller early on, a better TD percentage than all of the guys above and his carries/fumble were above Charles and Spiller. If he plays again this season he might explode, if not he might explode next season. The main point here is it's really hard to judge a player on their early carries... very few and far between do we see Doug Martin, Alfred Morris, ADP type of starts to careers. More often then not we see the Charles, Spiller, Lynch types where they don't hit the ground running and a few seasons down the lines everything finally adds up for them and they dominate for a few seasons. That said, again... Wilson can still turn out to be the next Felix Jones as well.

It was first two seasons of each player, not games. As you could expect, all had more carries than Wilson. Some, like Chris Johnson, Peterson and McGahee had 600 carries. You can't really make a judgement on 100 carries, unless he really ####s the bed. If I thought there was a story to tell, I'd put more into it. He just needs more work to see how he's shaping out.

 

[barista]

My guess is that Brown>Wilson for the rest of this year. Just a guess. Time share might make them both irrelevant but I'd still guess that brown sees more touches from here on out.

 

[JohnnyU]

My guess is that Brown>Wilson for the rest of this year. Just a guess. Time share might make them both irrelevant but I'd still guess that brown sees more touches from here on out.

How soon before Brown sneezes and breaks a rib?

 

[Khy]

My guess is that Brown>Wilson for the rest of this year. Just a guess. Time share might make them both irrelevant but I'd still guess that brown sees more touches from here on out.

How soon before Brown sneezes and breaks a rib?

I'm just waiting for the news that Brown tripped over a sprinkler tip at practice and shattered three toes.

 

[Cheesedawg]

My guess is that Brown>Wilson for the rest of this year. Just a guess. Time share might make them both irrelevant but I'd still guess that brown sees more touches from here on out.

How soon before Brown sneezes and breaks a rib?

I'm just waiting for the news that Brown tripped over a sprinkler tip at practice and shattered three toes.

What is Brown's injury history? I've never owned him before.

 

[zamboni]

At this point it doesn't matter to the Giants where they drafted him. What he has going for him is that he's a very fast 22 yo RB with a relatively cheap contract for a couple more years. They'd certainly love him to be the guy they thought he was, but they will bring in some competition for him next year.

I think it does matter considering we're only two years out. While it's not a huge financial commitment, there's an opportunity cost involved of drafting Wilson over other guys. I'm sure team brass wants to make sure they are getting some return on the investment before moving on. If you're talking another year or so from now and Wilson is truly a bust, then I'm sure draft position is no longer meaningful.

 

[TheFanatic]

My guess is that Brown>Wilson for the rest of this year. Just a guess. Time share might make them both irrelevant but I'd still guess that brown sees more touches from here on out.

How soon before Brown sneezes and breaks a rib?

I'm just waiting for the news that Brown tripped over a sprinkler tip at practice and shattered three toes.

What is Brown's injury history? I've never owned him before.

Early and often!

 

[FF Ninja]

The only way a 22 yo 1st round RB has no value is if you don't think he'll ever play again.

Or if his name is Ron Dayne, Mark Ingram, Donald Brown, Felix Jones and a slew of other guys that were busts since the day they were drafted. I'm a big Wilson supporter but this statement simply isn't true.

All of those guys got more than 2 years worth of opportunities. Even if they didn't pan out, they probably still had some trade value after year 2 which means they had trade value prior to year 3. Performing on the field isn't the only kind of value. That being said, I don't have Wilson and have no intentions of acquiring him. Just thought it was fair to point that out.

It seems you think I'm being an antagonist. I'm not trying to do that. I didn't include a conclusion because I wanted the readers to form their own. It happens all the time on this message board and there is nothing wrong with it. If you don't think there is anything to conclude with that information, then that's fine. There isn't a reason to criticize the post or me because you didn't find it useful.

From what I've seen, he's not sharp enough to come to a reasonable conclusion if you give him facts - unless I'm confusing him with someone else in the Hilton threads. He's solely looking for confirmation bias. If you disagree with him, you're a troll in his mind.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

My guess is that Brown>Wilson for the rest of this year. Just a guess. Time share might make them both irrelevant but I'd still guess that brown sees more touches from here on out.

How soon before Brown sneezes and breaks a rib?

I'm just waiting for the news that Brown tripped over a sprinkler tip at practice and shattered three toes.

What is Brown's injury history? I've never owned him before.

Long and distinguished.

 

[steveski]

My guess is that Brown>Wilson for the rest of this year. Just a guess. Time share might make them both irrelevant but I'd still guess that brown sees more touches from here on out.

How soon before Brown sneezes and breaks a rib?

I'm just waiting for the news that Brown tripped over a sprinkler tip at practice and shattered three toes.

What is Brown's injury history? I've never owned him before.

Long and distinguished.

Yeah, he's bounced around the league due to injuries.

Drafted by the Giants, then Broncos, Colts, Panthers, Redskins, then back with the Giants. He clearly has talent or else he wouldn't have lasted this long.

EDIT: WE DID IT! 100 PAGES!

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Thread MVP: Khy.

352 posts out of 4950. Next closest was 174. That's domination, people. Nice work Khy!