***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (3 Viewers)

[Smack Tripper]

Patterson could do nothing and he'll outpace this stiff Wilson so its a good trade. And this is coming from a Giants fan. He'll never be more than a change of pace back with his condition.

 

[DropKick]

Patterson could do nothing and he'll outpace this stiff Wilson so its a good trade. And this is coming from a Giants fan. He'll never be more than a change of pace back with his condition.

Most people evaluate this trade using the relative value of Wilson vs Patterson prior to last season. Wilson's value was quite high coming into the season and frankly, the Wilson seller probably could have got a fair deal more than Patterson. Only Wilson getting hurt has tipped the scales. Yes, it has worked to the advantage of the team getting Patterson but is, by no means, a "sell high" of Wilson, sinply because Wilson had far more "perceived" value than Cordarelle.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Sources tell ESPN's Adam Schefter that David Wilson (neck surgery) is ahead of schedule and expected to be ready for training camp.
We're talking about the spinal fusion surgery here, so nothing is guaranteed and the Giants are merely "hopeful." But the reports coming out of New York (likely from Wilson's camp) just one month following the procedure continue to be glowing. ESPN New York previously reported that Wilson has already begun weightlifting and working out, adding that there's no reason to believe the 22-year-old won't be playing in 2014. His Dynasty stock is back on the rise in a big way as a gifted natural runner with take it to the house upside on every carry. Andre Brown is a free agent.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

 

[KellysHeroes]

getting sick of "sources" and rumors, but we're not going to know anything until training camp

 

[MattFancy]

feeling even better about just trading for him!

 

[Dr. Octopus]

feeling even better about just trading for him!

As an owner, I'm still leery, but this news is encouraging at least.

 

[MattFancy]

feeling even better about just trading for him!

As an owner, I'm still leery, but this news is encouraging at least.

Definitely not getting to excited for it, but it seems that taking a gamble on him may not have been so bad after all. I traded 2.5 and JStew for him earlier this week when I saw the news of him being ahead of schedule. There's still alot of unknown with him right now, but if he is ready for camp, I'll feel really good about my RBs on this team.

 

[netnalp]

Can he still back flip?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Can he still back flip?

Wilson can still:

[ ] Run Well

[x] Cry

[x] Backflip

[x] Fumble

3 outta 4 aint bad

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Can he still back flip?

Wilson can still:

[ ] Run Well

[x] Cry

[x] Backflip

[x] Fumble

3 outta 4 aint bad

When did he show he couldn't run well?

 

[steveski]

Can he still back flip?

Wilson can still:

[ ] Run Well

[x] Cry

[x] Backflip

[x] Fumble

3 outta 4 aint bad

When did he show he couldn't run well?

Ignore the troll.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Can he still back flip?

Wilson can still:

[ ] Run Well

[x] Cry

[x] Backflip

[x] Fumble

3 outta 4 aint bad

When did he show he couldn't run well?

You don't have to make this complicated.

 

[Koya]

He doing backflips yet? Seems more important to him than TDs.

 

[Eminence]

It's foolish to think he couldn't rebound. I bought low from the same guy I sold him to last off season.

 

[Touchdown There]

Can he still back flip?

Wilson can still:[ ] Run Well

[x] Cry

[x] Backflip

[x] Fumble

3 outta 4 aint bad

When did he show he couldn't run well?

Ignore the troll.

The troll is the guy supporting Wilson in his bandwagon thread? This thread has been run over by dillholes.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Can he still back flip?

Wilson can still:[ ] Run Well

[x] Cry

[x] Backflip

[x] Fumble

3 outta 4 aint bad

When did he show he couldn't run well?

Ignore the troll.

The troll is the guy supporting Wilson in his bandwagon thread? This thread has been run over by dillholes.

Just forget that guy. Everyone has a quick trigger on calling people trolls when they have a differing opinion.

 

[steveski]

Can he still back flip?

Wilson can still:[ ] Run Well

[x] Cry

[x] Backflip

[x] Fumble

3 outta 4 aint bad

When did he show he couldn't run well?

Ignore the troll.

The troll is the guy supporting Wilson in his bandwagon thread? This thread has been run over by dillholes.

Just forget that guy. Everyone has a quick trigger on calling people trolls when they have a differing opinion.

No. You just post stupid things all the time. The post we are talking about, was it intelligent? No. Did it add to discussion? No. Was it used to stir up the pot? Yes. You're a troll and always have been. Even though you sometimes support the same cause I support, you are never intelligent about it. Stop talking trash and come up with some intelligent things to say. Instead of posting 100 stupid things every day, do some research or give it some thought and post only 10 things a day. Someone just spewing BS just to get people worked up is my definition of a troll. Do you honestly think you don't match that description?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Can he still back flip?

Wilson can still:[ ] Run Well

[x] Cry

[x] Backflip

[x] Fumble

3 outta 4 aint bad

When did he show he couldn't run well?

Ignore the troll.

The troll is the guy supporting Wilson in his bandwagon thread? This thread has been run over by dillholes.

Just forget that guy. Everyone has a quick trigger on calling people trolls when they have a differing opinion.

No. You just post stupid things all the time. The post we are talking about, was it intelligent? No. Did it add to discussion? No. Was it used to stir up the pot? Yes. You're a troll and always have been. Even though you sometimes support the same cause I support, you are never intelligent about it. Stop talking trash and come up with some intelligent things to say. Instead of posting 100 stupid things every day, do some research or give it some thought and post only 10 things a day. Someone just spewing BS just to get people worked up is my definition of a troll. Do you honestly think you don't match that description?

Do you think dragging all of this out makes this thread better? Just read these posts. Stop doing this stuff man. If you don't like my posts, ignore me. Problem solved.

 

[Tool]

It's foolish to think he couldn't rebound. I bought low from the same guy I sold him to last off season.

I would argue it's foolish to think that he can. Maybe he can come back and be a change of pace guy but seems unlikely he'll ever be a top player.

 

[Faust]

Twitter:

Chris Wesseling ‏@ChrisWesseling

Coughlin told me "forget about the fact that David Wilson could be a difference-maker" for Giants. Question is whether he can withstand hits

 

[BeTheMatch]

Twitter:

Chris Wesseling ‏@ChrisWesseling

Coughlin told me "forget about the fact that David Wilson could be a difference-maker" for Giants. Question is whether he can withstand hits

I'm not clear what he's saying here. Is he saying that it doesn't matter that he could be a difference-maker if he can't withstand hits? Or is he saying he's not a difference-maker? Or what?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Twitter:

Chris Wesseling ‏@ChrisWesseling

Coughlin told me "forget about the fact that David Wilson could be a difference-maker" for Giants. Question is whether he can withstand hits

I'm not clear what he's saying here. Is he saying that it doesn't matter that he could be a difference-maker if he can't withstand hits? Or is he saying he's not a difference-maker? Or what?

People can read into that what they want, but what I got out of it is a cart-before-horse statement. Like "Let's not worry about difference-making just yet, let's see if he can handle NFL hits for now". I don't think Coughlin is ruling out Wilson being a difference maker specifically.

 

[Koya]

Twitter:

Chris Wesseling ‏@ChrisWesseling

Coughlin told me "forget about the fact that David Wilson could be a difference-maker" for Giants. Question is whether he can withstand hits

I'm not clear what he's saying here. Is he saying that it doesn't matter that he could be a difference-maker if he can't withstand hits? Or is he saying he's not a difference-maker? Or what?

People can read into that what they want, but what I got out of it is a cart-before-horse statement. Like "Let's not worry about difference-making just yet, let's see if he can handle NFL hits for now". I don't think Coughlin is ruling out Wilson being a difference maker specifically.

as a giants fan and someone who watches pretty closely, I'd agree with this sentiment.That said, there's an underlying notion that maybe he can take a hit - just not THAT many and he's more of a KR and change of pace back at most rather than a not too big guy who can still carry the load.

 

[BeTheMatch]

That makes sense. Thanks, guys

 

[Shutout]

Starting to get a watered-down "DMAC" vibe on this guy. Obviously brings things to the table but how many times will he be at the table? Maybe Percy Harvin is a better comparison (just because Wilson probably can be THAT much of a difference maker but only IF he can get on the field and stay healthy).

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Giants coach Tom Coughlin believes David Wilson's (neck surgery) "attitude" will have a "lot to do" with whether he's ready for camp.

"I think a lot has to do with his attitude, the way he feels, the way the doctors and trainers obviously feel," Coughlin said. "He’s not going to be put out there unless he’s ready for that." ESPN reported Thursday that Wilson is ahead of schedule, and expected to be ready for camp. Coughlin didn't necessarily refute that, but Wilson is far from out of the woods.


Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter

 

[Touchdown There]

Rotoworld:

Giants coach Tom Coughlin believes David Wilson's (neck surgery) "attitude" will have a "lot to do" with whether he's ready for camp.

"I think a lot has to do with his attitude, the way he feels, the way the doctors and trainers obviously feel," Coughlin said. "Hes not going to be put out there unless hes ready for that." ESPN reported Thursday that Wilson is ahead of schedule, and expected to be ready for camp. Coughlin didn't necessarily refute that, but Wilson is far from out of the woods.

Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter

With vertebre fused, future hits will affect the joint directly above and below the fusion. Less of a big deal if you are a qb, bigger deal at rb and te (Finley). As for the attitude thing, Coughlin needs to back off. Stop giving the guy grief in the media for caring too much. He was obviously kicking himself and I dont think a good coach throws extra kicks in. Time to tell the world that you think David Wilson can be special and that the team is going to need him.

 

[Tool]

Rotoworld:

Giants coach Tom Coughlin believes David Wilson's (neck surgery) "attitude" will have a "lot to do" with whether he's ready for camp.

"I think a lot has to do with his attitude, the way he feels, the way the doctors and trainers obviously feel," Coughlin said. "Hes not going to be put out there unless hes ready for that." ESPN reported Thursday that Wilson is ahead of schedule, and expected to be ready for camp. Coughlin didn't necessarily refute that, but Wilson is far from out of the woods.

Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter

With vertebre fused, future hits will affect the joint directly above and below the fusion. Less of a big deal if you are a qb, bigger deal at rb and te (Finley).

exactamundo

 

[Touchdown There]

Rotoworld:

Giants coach Tom Coughlin believes David Wilson's (neck surgery) "attitude" will have a "lot to do" with whether he's ready for camp.

"I think a lot has to do with his attitude, the way he feels, the way the doctors and trainers obviously feel," Coughlin said. "Hes not going to be put out there unless hes ready for that." ESPN reported Thursday that Wilson is ahead of schedule, and expected to be ready for camp. Coughlin didn't necessarily refute that, but Wilson is far from out of the woods.

Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter

With vertebre fused, future hits will affect the joint directly above and below the fusion. Less of a big deal if you are a qb, bigger deal at rb and te (Finley).

exactamundo

Exactamundo on old man Coughlin needing to back off too.As for David Wilson's neck, his injury is now fully healed and will never be an issue again. The joint is fused. The question is if he continues to get injured in other areas. Maybe, maybe not. Ill take the neck fusion over Jahvid Best repeated head trauma any day.

 

[Eminence]

Let me put it this way, when Wilson busts a 30+ yard run in preseason, I'll probably end up trading him.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

LOL. I don't put a lot of stock Wilson ever coming close to his preseason value this past year. But some still do and I do think it ends well.

 

[Eminence]

I think if Wilson improves his pass-catching he can remain relevant. Coughlin wanted this guy to be his iso, power, counter guy and it appears Wilson might have physical limitations. New York has created years with multiple fantasy relevant RBs.

I think they need to draft a grinder to take over for Brown or Wilson if they dissapoint.

 

[Tool]

Rotoworld:

Giants coach Tom Coughlin believes David Wilson's (neck surgery) "attitude" will have a "lot to do" with whether he's ready for camp.

"I think a lot has to do with his attitude, the way he feels, the way the doctors and trainers obviously feel," Coughlin said. "Hes not going to be put out there unless hes ready for that." ESPN reported Thursday that Wilson is ahead of schedule, and expected to be ready for camp. Coughlin didn't necessarily refute that, but Wilson is far from out of the woods.

Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter

With vertebre fused, future hits will affect the joint directly above and below the fusion. Less of a big deal if you are a qb, bigger deal at rb and te (Finley).

exactamundo

Exactamundo on old man Coughlin needing to back off too.As for David Wilson's neck, his injury is now fully healed and will never be an issue again. The joint is fused. The question is if he continues to get injured in other areas. Maybe, maybe not. Ill take the neck fusion over Jahvid Best repeated head trauma any day.

Well Jahvid Best is out of football so not sure i get your point.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

David Wilson - RB - Giants
New Giants offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo said pass protection is his No. 1 priority in a running back.
"At the end of the day, if they can't protect the quarterback, they're going to have a hard time getting on the field," McAdoo said. Pass pro and ball security have always been high priorities under the Tom Coughlin regime, and that won't change with McAdoo replacing Kevin Gilbride. It's not the best news for David Wilson, who has often struggled in blitz pickup.

Source: NJ.com

 

[Koya]

Rotoworld:

David Wilson - RB - Giants

New Giants offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo said pass protection is his No. 1 priority in a running back.

"At the end of the day, if they can't protect the quarterback, they're going to have a hard time getting on the field," McAdoo said. Pass pro and ball security have always been high priorities under the Tom Coughlin regime, and that won't change with McAdoo replacing Kevin Gilbride. It's not the best news for David Wilson, who has often struggled in blitz pickup[\b].

Source: NJ.com

That's crazy talk. All the fanboys last year were saying he was totally good at pass blocking.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Rotoworld:

David Wilson - RB - Giants

New Giants offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo said pass protection is his No. 1 priority in a running back.

"At the end of the day, if they can't protect the quarterback, they're going to have a hard time getting on the field," McAdoo said. Pass pro and ball security have always been high priorities under the Tom Coughlin regime, and that won't change with McAdoo replacing Kevin Gilbride. It's not the best news for David Wilson, who has often struggled in blitz pickup[\b].

Source: NJ.com

That's crazy talk. All the fanboys last year were saying he was totally good at pass blocking.

And no NFL player has ever improved at a skill in their career either.

 

[The Man With No Name]

It can be learned, and has been by many. Ask Ahmad Bradshaw. He was terrible at it when he got to New York

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Pass protection certainly can be learned. But it's another question mark about Wilson, who really doesn't need any more red flags. The Giants did, after all, have a street free agent playing ahead of Wilson last year in passing situations prior to the neck injury. Wilson fits the profile of a guy I'd normally be buying low -- but in my leagues, at least, residual 2013 hype seems to have kept the kool aid flowing for his owners.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Rotoworld:

Giants coach Tom Coughlin believes David Wilson's (neck surgery) "attitude" will have a "lot to do" with whether he's ready for camp.

"I think a lot has to do with his attitude, the way he feels, the way the doctors and trainers obviously feel," Coughlin said. "Hes not going to be put out there unless hes ready for that." ESPN reported Thursday that Wilson is ahead of schedule, and expected to be ready for camp. Coughlin didn't necessarily refute that, but Wilson is far from out of the woods.

Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter

With vertebre fused, future hits will affect the joint directly above and below the fusion. Less of a big deal if you are a qb, bigger deal at rb and te (Finley).

exactamundo

Exactamundo on old man Coughlin needing to back off too.As for David Wilson's neck, his injury is now fully healed and will never be an issue again. The joint is fused. The question is if he continues to get injured in other areas. Maybe, maybe not. Ill take the neck fusion over Jahvid Best repeated head trauma any day.

Well Jahvid Best is out of football so not sure i get your point.

The point is still legit. Just like I'd rather have Wilson over Red Grange, mainly because Red Grange has been dead for over 20 years. Being dead is a worse injury than neck fusion too.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Coach Tom Coughlin suggested that David Wilson (neck surgery) may return in a "different capacity."
Even if Wilson's neck gains full clearance, he may not have a real chance at feature back duties. The Giants have added Rashad Jennings, a prototypical Coughlin back in that he doesn't make mistakes, to fill that role. It's possible Wilson will have to rev back up as a kick returner and change-of-pace runner, earning more and more carries if he can put up error-free tape.

Related: Rashad Jennings

Source: Jordan Raanan on Twitter

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Speaking Thursday, Giants coach Tom Coughlin confirmed he's "counting on" David Wilson (neck surgery) for 2014.
Coughlin stopped short of guaranteeing Wilson would be ready for the season, however. "All in due time with David," Coughlin said. "’m counting on him, but I am not going to put him in any circumstance until it’s an absolute that he’s 100 percent." The G-Men are cautiously optimistic about Wilson's status, but aren't planning on him being their feature back. Rashad Jennings is in the driver's seat for No. 1 duties, with Wilson trending toward a change-of-pace role if he can gain clearance.

Source: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter

 

[Banger]

avoid, avoid, avoid.

 

[zamboni]

avoid, avoid, avoid.

I'd take him, but only very late in my draft when he's just a flier and the downside is limited.

Hard to get on board with Wilson though - even beyond his injury, his coach still doesn't seem to trust him. And don't be surprised to see Andre Brown come back since it's not like he has a bunch of suitors.

 

[matttyl]

And now talk that the G-men would be interested in CJ?k if/when released from the Titans?!

 

[MattFancy]

And now talk that the G-men would be interested in CJ?k if/when released from the Titans?!

To me that doesn't make much sense for the Giants or Johnson. The Giants have Jennings, Wilson and Hillis on the roster right now. Why add Johnson to muddle things up even more? And why would Johnson want to go there knowing he's going to have to fight for carries.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

And now talk that the G-men would be interested in CJ?k if/when released from the Titans?!

Don't think he's a great fit with Coughlin. Too much diva, not enough dirty work / little things.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Some guys may come into the league able to do it, while others can't, but p### protection is apparently something anyone can learn given a couple off seasons and a bit of playing time. No good back ever washed out of the NFL because he couldn't get pass pro.

 

[TheFanatic]

And now talk that the G-men would be interested in CJ?k if/when released from the Titans?!

Don't think he's a great fit with Coughlin. Too much diva, not enough dirty work / little things.

This is one of those things where someone said, "The Giants backfield is a mess. They could use an established runner. This is a good fit," except it's not when you look beyond the surface...

 

[Banger]

And now talk that the G-men would be interested in CJ?k if/when released from the Titans?!

To me that doesn't make much sense for the Giants or Johnson. The Giants have Jennings, Wilson and Hillis on the roster right now. Why add Johnson to muddle things up even more? And why would Johnson want to go there knowing he's going to have to fight for carries.

fight with who? Jennings has done nothing and is a backup type runner, Hillis was on the street for half the year and Wilson's future is unknown.

 

[TheFanatic]

And now talk that the G-men would be interested in CJ?k if/when released from the Titans?!

To me that doesn't make much sense for the Giants or Johnson. The Giants have Jennings, Wilson and Hillis on the roster right now. Why add Johnson to muddle things up even more? And why would Johnson want to go there knowing he's going to have to fight for carries.

fight with who? Jennings has done nothing and is a backup type runner, Hillis was on the street for half the year and Wilson's future is unknown.

Fantasy Owners that don't want another RB carving out a slice of the pie they want to go to the RB they own...