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DC as 51st state (1 Viewer)

Ramblin Wreck said:
The citizens of the majority of VA don't agree with Northern VA.  Should they just split into 2 states or is it too bad so sad?
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If 83% of Virgianians wanted to be split into two states, then cool. They can follow constitutional procedures and try their hardest to make it so.

I am unsure why this is such a novel concept to some. We have added 37 states to our country since its inception.

 
AAABatteries said:
I’m not sure I’m in favor of it but either way I think the Democrats should just give the same response as the Republicans did to the Supreme Court seat - its in the rules and fair game.  I’m not sure why they should be interested in what Republicans think on the issue - I know Republicans didn’t care what Democrats that on the SC issue. 
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Sure.  You won't get any disagreement from me on that.    :shrug:

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
The citizens of the majority of VA don't agree with Northern VA.  Should they just split into 2 states or is it too bad so sad?
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I'm fine with a Compromise of 1850 type of approach (when Missouri's admission was tied to separating Maine from Massachusetts).  DC admitted as a state, and NOVA gets separated from ROVA. 

 
the moops said:
Make them all states if that is what they desire. This whole territory thing is sham
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The difference there being population.  PR would be ~30th on the population list.  The Northern Marianas has about the same population as Johnson City, TN.  If we go down that road it makes more sense to put Samoa, the Marianas, Guam, and the minor outlying islands in Hawaii.

Note there are some distinct advantages to being a territory and many of those places wouldn't want to be a state.

 
squistion said:
Adam Schiff @AdamSchiff 2h

When these are the arguments against DC statehood, it’s time we get it done.

Washington, DC is home to 700,000 residents, more than both Wyoming and Vermont. Residents pay taxes, but they don’t have a full vote in Congress.

This isn’t complicated. It’s time for DC Statehood.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchiff/status/1374092298712199170
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Adam Schiff?  Good lord.  :doh:

People still follow and listen to him?

 
The Upper Pennisula of Michigan for years wanted to be on it`s own and not part of Michigan.   It  would like to be a state called Superior for Lake Superior.  That would be the UP of Michigan and the upper corner of Wisconsin.  It would be blood red though.  Would it have a chance?

 
Da Guru said:
The Upper Pennisula of Michigan for years wanted to be on it`s own and not part of Michigan.   It  would like to be a state called Superior for Lake Superior.  That would be the UP of Michigan and the upper corner of Wisconsin.  It would be blood red though.  Would it have a chance?
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The state has to vote on it I believe. Being from Michigan I really have no idea how I would vote on something like that or what the ramifications would be. I’m not sure yoopers actually want to be their own state either- it doesn’t have a lot of commerce on its own.  

 
squistion said:
Adam Schiff @AdamSchiff 2h

When these are the arguments against DC statehood, it’s time we get it done.

Washington, DC is home to 700,000 residents, more than both Wyoming and Vermont. Residents pay taxes, but they don’t have a full vote in Congress.

This isn’t complicated. It’s time for DC Statehood.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchiff/status/1374092298712199170
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Why do you against the Constitution?

Washington DC is the federal city.   It's not a state.

 
quick-hands said:
Why do you against the Constitution?

Washington DC is the federal city.   It's not a state.
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Because much of the constitution is extremely dated and they did include means to amend the document.  Thus...being for this as a possible amendment is not against the constitution at all.

 
sho nuff said:
Because much of the constitution is extremely dated and they did include means to amend the document.  Thus...being for this as a possible amendment is not against the constitution at all.
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So amend the Constitution.   I'm good with that.   

My guess is they will attempt this extraconstutionally.   It's easier.  Then scream racism and burn.   

 
The more it's laid out....the more it makes sense.  There's no real Constitutional argument against it.  If there's a shrinking of the Federal "District" down to a smaller footpath; that should alleviate concerns of The Federal seat being held hostage by the state it is in.

I'm one who feels this country would be stronger and better positioned to thwart other expansionist nations by opening the "books" in regards to statehood.  D.C. would be a start to breaking that mentality that there could never be more than 50 states. 

 
the moops said:
Care to explain what you mean here, I'm shuked
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Some opponents of DC statehood have been accused of racism because DC is majority minority.  There's actually some historical truth to the allegation, but my perspective is that the resistance now is much more about partisanship than racism.  If we were talking about a liberal-but-mostly-white city like Portland, I think the same folks would be against it.

 
I lived in D.C. for a while and, while I know this isn't a huge sample size, I personally didn't have any special power over the federal government. Neither did any of my friends.

I think "people who live in D.C. already have enough power" is a poor argument against allowing them congressional representation. If you want to bar Senators from voting in general elections, I'm okay with that -- though most probably don't live in D.C. anyway.

I wouldn't say that career civil servants have a lot of policy-making power such that they should be barred from having representation.

 
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quick-hands said:
So amend the Constitution.   I'm good with that.   

My guess is they will attempt this extraconstutionally.   It's easier.  Then scream racism and burn.   
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So...speculation based on nothing...then claiming people are against the constitution for something not actually being done?  Awesome.

 
Totally not an alias chimes in.  Good stuff. Sorry I responded to a false claim that people were against the constitution.

 
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Da Guru said:
The Upper Pennisula of Michigan for years wanted to be on it`s own and not part of Michigan.   It  would like to be a state called Superior for Lake Superior.  That would be the UP of Michigan and the upper corner of Wisconsin.  It would be blood red though.  Would it have a chance?
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Wasn't that part of Michigan once traded for Toledo?

 
Allowing residents of D.C. to vote in either Virginia or Maryland Senate elections seems the only logical route to me. Boom, they have representation.

 
Battersbox said:
Allowing residents of D.C. to vote in either Virginia or Maryland Senate elections seems the only logical route to me. Boom, they have representation.
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Imagine a world where MD or VA were not blue, but were swing states. Do you think that those arguing this outcome would still be arguing this if it swung one of those states blue?

 
the moops said:
Imagine a world where MD or VA were not blue, but were swing states. Do you think that those arguing this outcome would still be arguing this if it swung one of those states blue?
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So you admit it's about swinging the Senate the way you want it?  Exactly what several of us said from the start.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
So you admit it's about swinging the Senate the way you want it?  Exactly what several of us said from the start.
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No I don't admit that. Well, at least not for me personally. I think Guam and Puerto Rico and whoever else should become states as well, and honestly I have no idea what their political lean is.

But as far as politicians? I am sure that many of them don't really give a #### about the people of DC and want to push because of the political lean - just as the other side is pushing against for the same reason. But this shouldn't be about what politicians want, it is what the citizens of DC want

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
So you admit it's about swinging the Senate the way you want it?  Exactly what several of us said from the start.
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This isn't some big gotcha.  There are obviously partisan reasons both to support and oppose this.  

The piece that Maurile posted goes into this more but opponents of statehood seem to act like the status quo is what's fair and that letting Democrats get more power would therefore be unfair.  By contrast, most proponents of statehood think the status quo is very unfair because it gives Republicans undemocratic advantages, and therefore giving Democrats additional power will move us closer to fairness.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
This isn't some big gotcha.  There are obviously partisan reasons both to support and oppose this.  

The piece that Maurile posted goes into this more but opponents of statehood seem to act like the status quo is what's fair and that letting Democrats get more power would therefore be unfair.  By contrast, most proponents of statehood think the status quo is very unfair because it gives Republicans undemocratic advantages, and therefore giving Democrats additional power will move us closer to fairness.
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Why? 

 
Battersbox said:
Allowing residents of D.C. to vote in either Virginia or Maryland Senate elections seems the only logical route to me. Boom, they have representation.
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Making them part of one of those states could be a solution. 

Letting DC residents vote in a state they don't live in is clearly not an option. 

 
The Z Machine said:
Might be the only that could be put into practice due to partisanship, but it's not the only logical route.
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It's simplest route to those who say citizens of the district don't have representation. Many people couch the argument for D.C. statehood as a cry for representation for those citizens. 

Seems to me they can simply vote for senators from either Virginia or Maryland, problem solved.

 
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