https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/democrats-introduce-bill-make-washington-dc-51st-state-n1255841
The unity party is ending early apparently.
The unity party is ending early apparently.
Why not just copy and paste their Marion Barry-issued license plates as an argument? Oh, you did.Long overdue as DC residents have been denied their right of self-governance and have faced taxation without representation.
Like that was ever more then a fantasy.The unity party is ending early apparently
Why not make it part of Virginia or Maryland though?Long overdue as DC residents have been denied their right of self-governance and have faced taxation without representation.
What does this have to do with unity?https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/democrats-introduce-bill-make-washington-dc-51st-state-n1255841
The unity party is ending early apparently.
Houston already has voting representatives in Congress.Why not make it part of Virginia or Maryland though?
Houston is 10 times larger land area and has 4 times as many people, make Houston its own state!
Wut?https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/democrats-introduce-bill-make-washington-dc-51st-state-n1255841
The unity party is ending early apparently.
Then dc would as well if it joined Virgina or Maryland.Houston already has voting representatives in Congress.
Wut.Why not make it part of Virginia or Maryland though?
Houston is 10 times larger land area and has 4 times as many people, make Houston its own state!
So dc would not if they were part of maryland or virginia?Wut.
Houston has voting representation in both chambers of Congress. DC does not.
Why is that any easier? And who decides which state they join? Is it the number 51 that bothers you?Then dc would as well if it joined Virgina or Maryland.
That seems pretty easy.
To the best of my knowledge, D.C. has not been given the opportunity to become part of Maryland or Virginia.So dc would not if they were part of maryland or virginia?
You only responded to half my post. So I just want to clarify the other half to see if it answers your concerns.
No, as that would not accomplish the self governance that they have been asking for.So dc would not if they were part of maryland or virginia?
I don't live in DC, but am just across the river and ride my bike there regularly. Haven't heard anything about an invitation to join MD or VA.So dc would not if they were part of maryland or virginia?
You only responded to half my post. So I just want to clarify the other half to see if it answers your concerns.
Why is that any easier? And who decides which state they join? Is it the number 51 that bothers you?
Have they asked?I don't live in DC, but am just across the river and ride my bike there regularly. Haven't heard anything about an invitation to join MD or VA.
I don’t think there’s been any sort of formal request but the idea has been kicked around forever and neither MD nor VA seem to have any interest.Have they asked?
The administration, democrats and this board have preach about unity moving forward. This Is clearly a wedge issue that would end any and all cooperation from the republicans.What does this have to do with unity?
This is a separate argument from DC representation... but I think you are on to something. If you want to draw states that way such that all states have equal population, then we could combine both Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Iowa, Nebraska and Utah into one state with 2 senators, and then divide California into 8 (or whatever) with 16 Senators.Why not make it part of Virginia or Maryland though?
Houston is 10 times larger land area and has 4 times as many people, make Houston its own state!
Well numerous members of this board took it seriously including joe...Like that was ever more then a fantasy.
DC statehood is not a wedge issue.The administration, democrats and this board have preach about unity moving forward. This Is clearly a wedge issue that would end any and all cooperation from the republicans.What does this have to do with unity?
Putting forth an issue in a bill...allowing debate...and then a vote does not destroy unity. Its how the system was meant to work. Even on “wedge issues”.The administration, democrats and this board have preach about unity moving forward. This Is clearly a wedge issue that would end any and all cooperation from the republicans.
Yes, sets my OCD off.Is it the number 51 that bothers you?
You seem to wildly misread the context of the unity talk. Talk that I find ridiculous, fwiw.The administration, democrats and this board have preach about unity moving forward. This Is clearly a wedge issue that would end any and all cooperation from the republicans.
Let's eat!Yes, sets my OCD off.
S. Dakota/ N. Dakota become The Dakotas, S. Carolina, N. Carolina becomes The Carolinas and make D.C. and Puerto Rico states. WALA.
Settled. Look at the PSF getting #### done.Yes, sets my OCD off.
S. Dakota/ N. Dakota become The Dakotas, S. Carolina, N. Carolina becomes The Carolinas and make D.C. and Puerto Rico states. WALA.
Just make it 52 so I can stop confusing # of playing cards and # of statesYes, sets my OCD off.
S. Dakota/ N. Dakota become The Dakotas, S. Carolina, N. Carolina becomes The Carolinas and make D.C. and Puerto Rico states. WALA.
This is mildly humorous while subtly revealing the true fear and motivation from the Republican POV.Can we get a West Dakota and East Dakota while we are making changes?
It does if they are successful by ending the filibuster which certain senators promise not to end.Putting forth an issue in a bill...allowing debate...and then a vote does not destroy unity. Its how the system was meant to work. Even on “wedge issues”.
This is mildly humorous while subtly revealing the true fear and motivation from the Republican POV.
Part of the problem we have is nobody either does anything non-partisan nor gives anyone the benefit of the doubt. Not sure there’s anything to be done other than just move forward with what you think is right and deal with the fallout.All about getting 2 extra senators on their side. Nothing else but that
All about getting 2 extra senators on their side. Nothing else but that
Throw them in with Maryland. But it is partisan and really not much different that gerrymandering other than the mental gymnastics in betweenPart of the problem we have is nobody either does anything non-partisan nor gives anyone the benefit of the doubt. Not sure there’s anything to be done other than just move forward with what you think is right and deal with the fallout.
I will say this isn’t high on my priority list of items. But that’s easy for me to say as I have representation.
Yeah I don't get that argument either. This would make one more of about a 100 or so similar bills or attempting Constitutional Amendments that have worked their way through Congress over the years. We're dealing with something that has been an "issue" since almost the beginning and I think the first massive movements towards trying to actually make it a state started in the 19th century.DC statehood is not a wedge issue.
The PR reps don't vote. DC has similar nonvoting reps.
Puerto Rico currently has a republican represenatative to US congress
One of the first true bills to get into a committee hearing was written by a Republican. And almost every year since the early 90's this bill/amendment/resolution gets brought up again.Throw them in with Maryland. But it is partisan and really not much different that gerrymandering other than the mental gymnastics in between
I would say it is much more akin to the efforts to end partisan gerrymandering.But it is partisan and really not much different that gerrymandering other than the mental gymnastics in between
Yes, I know. I was offering a counter to the "all about getting two extra senators on their side".The PR reps don't vote. DC has similar nonvoting reps.
Puerto Rico currently has a republican represenatative to US congress
Which is a separate issue as well. And again would be debated and all.It does if they are successful by ending the filibuster which certain senators promise not to end.
so you want to end gerrymandering with even MORE gerrymandering?I would say it is much more akin to the efforts to end partisan gerrymandering.
The Republican Party once supported statehood for DC, as part of their foundational principles of self-determination. They did not formally oppose statehood for DC until 1992.Yes, I know. I was offering a counter to the "all about getting two extra senators on their side".
There has been a push to give PR statehood from the democrats as well, and it is not clear that they would vote in 2 democrat senators.
I don't know where you're getting this. I guess I'll have to write some extra sentences.so you want to end gerrymandering with even MORE gerrymandering?
This is nothing more than a partisan grab to ensure no other party ever comes to power again except Democrats.
I think unity in this context means hey maybe let's all not be racist or rabidly irrational or invading the Capitol with people getting killed for make believe nonsense. Just spit-balling here.Which is a separate issue as well. And again would be debated and all.
Unity doesn’t mean just only doing things the other party likes.
Giving Americans a voice in Congress is not gerrymandering.so you want to end gerrymandering with even MORE gerrymandering?
This is nothing more than a partisan grab to ensure no other party ever comes to power again except Democrats.
Listen, you might be able to fool the choir into thinking it's "giving people a voice", but smart people know exactly why it's being done and what's going on here. And it's not because they want to give people a voice. It's because they want to solidify power, plain and simple cut and dried.Giving Americans a voice in Congress is not gerrymandering.
Listen, you might be able to fool the choir into thinking it's "giving people a voice", but smart people know exactly why it's being done and what's going on here. And it's not because they want to give people a voice. It's because they want to solidify power, plain and simple cut and dried.
You better believe that if DC was 95% Conservative this wouldn't even come up by the Democrats.