ghostguy123
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Car rolled multiple times
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ghostguy123
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Been super windy and raining like crazy. I imagine going too fast in these conditions caused it
matttyl
Footballguy
Car flipped multiple times. Damn.
BobbyLayne
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TartanLion
Footballguy
Might be the best player in the entire league tbh
karl.Racki
Footballguy
1 sack in last 7 games.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Tell me you didn't watch the browns, without telling me you didn't watch the browns.
Blick
Footballguy
Tell me you didn't watch the Steelers, without telling me you didn't watch the steelers. Watt is more impactful and had a better season.
I would also say that Crosby should be in the conversation too. His problem is his team was not very good so the impact he made wasn't very fruitful. But he played almost every down and was a huge impact player
Here you go:
- Crosby: 55 T/23TFL/35A/14.5 sacks
- Watt: 48T/19TFL/20A/19 Sacks
- Garrett: 33T/17TFL/9A/14 sacks
Bracie Smathers
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Any other answer would have been the wrong answer, even if he had a deal in place at the time of the question.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Yeah, but they should be looking to trade him.
fatness
Footballguy
That's what GM's say to keep the best possible relationship with a player whom they may or may not try to trade. It doesn't tie their hands.
That's tough in my opinion. Garrett is a franchise cornerstone, possibly the best player they've had since they came back in 1999 (its a tossup between him and Joe Thomas) and its hard to really think of what the fair market value is for the best defensive player (probably just best non-QB) in the NFL, who is still in his prime.
What's fair value? A 1st and a 2nd feels like just giving him away. 2 1sts feels unlikely to be offered but also feels like nowhere near enough. If I were a GM of a contender with cap space, I'd start a trade negotiation with 2 1sts. Let them know you are serious. Looking in your direction, Commanders, Vikings, and Lions.
I will say, a good defense adds Myles Garrett, and it changes things for that defense, probably akin to what Barkley/Henry did for their offenses, but probably even more so. A league average defense adds Garrett and they become top-5. If its a Ravens/Eagles situation where everything around him is already great, that's gonna keep OCs and QBs up at night.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Garrett turns 30 (in December) this season. Realistically, how many more dominant years are we expecting from him? And how many years is it going to take the Cleveland Browns to build a contender? If the answer is 1 year, then keep him. If the answer is 3-4-5 years, get max value for him.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
This really is the answer, but you know that Andrew Berry will think he can Washington Commanders the 2025 Browns.
I think in today's NFL, no team, no matter what they look like, is 3+ years away. I think if the Browns aren't in the playoffs in 2026, they (probably rightfully) fire the whole front office.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Cleveland isn't in the same situation as other teams since they have DeShaun Watson contract to deal with. Option A for them is to cut him and have a huge dead money hit. Option B is to keep him and have a huge cap number ($72M+). He's not a realistic cut candidate until after the 2026 season. But at that point, Garrett is a 31 year old UFA.
I mean, the Browns made the playoffs in 2023, despite Watson's contract, with Joe Flacco starting. I kinda wonder if they hadn't, if they would have cleaned house (Berry/Stefanski) already.
Of course, the Browns are not a well run organization, probably a bottom-3 one, so who knows what they'll do?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well, yeah.
That doesn't change my reply
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Exactly.
Its considered the worst trade/signing of all time in any sport because it has horrible ramifications for several years.
you are probably right. but this is also the Browns......
More seriously and to play devils advocate.....your ability to attract and keep top talent also depends (to some degree at least) on how you treat your star players. if you have a star in Garrett and the fand love him, and he wants to retire there, you grant him his wish even if the team suffers a bit in terms of lost value. And if certain promises were made, it is important to keep your word.
Star players talk. I'm sure they all do (to some degree) know what its like with each managment group and there are certain places with less competant GM/coach or where the team dynamic isnt good where many pro players actively avoid in free agency.
so How I'd approach it is like that. say you want him to retire a brown. but in private conversations I would have a talk with the guy, tell him he can retire a brown if he wants because hes earned the right to do so. but also tell him that hes earned the right to chase a superbowl as well. and tell him while as a GM I hope you can do that here, I understand if at some point you decide thats not possible and if you do not feel you will get one here, we will accommodate any trade request that you as a player will make to try to get you that superbowl ring. its the least we can do for you as you have been a great teammate and leader of this organization.
that's how I'd word it. and if at some point he asks to go, you do what you can to make that happen.
MAC_32
Footballguy
On one had, yes. On the other hand, this was very uncharacteristic of Berry, who often uses a lot of words to say nothing. Vets speak highly of him because of his relationship building approach to management. To say this with plans on moving him would run counter to that.
I don't think he's going anywhere. He'll probably get an extension sometime this summer.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Interesting. They SHOULD have zero trouble getting 2 late 1sts for him. This being the Browns, they'll likely give him away, or refuse to trade him and risk him sitting.x.com
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Trade officially requested.
Lions should be all over trying to get him opposite Hutch. Commanders would make a lot of sense too, as Dan Quinn's defense could really use that Micah Parsons level player.
