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DeAngelo Williams - What Am I Missing? (1 Viewer)

You can't get anybody excited about acquiring DeAngelo, even as a throw in on a trade. People aren't dumb. They know what he represents. A deep reserve only to be used for bye weeks. If you can't sell the idea of him being an every week RB3/flex, you aren't going to get much for him. I don't know what "sell high" means?? A solid TE2? A WR4? Not worth the aggravation to even haggle imo. For now, I'm holding for the bye weeks, but in a pinch I will drop him.

 
Once Stewart comes back, they will forget all about how good DeAngelo is and screw up the running game like they have since 2008.

Defenses can't wait for Stewart to be active. DeAngelo in? Ok, they are running the ball. Stewart in, could be either. Tolbert in, they are passing unless it's the GL or short yardage.

 
It's too bad, because DeAngelo has looked quite good the first 3 weeks of the season.

I am not sure Stewart is ever going to be the same player he once was......but he will make DeAngelo a flex play at best.

Your best bet is to just hold him and use him during bye weeks or in a pinch. I still see him getting 13-17 carries even when Stewart comes back. And while Stewart may be active Week 7, you can be sure that they will ease Stewart back into the mix.

 
You can't get anybody excited about acquiring DeAngelo, even as a throw in on a trade. People aren't dumb. They know what he represents. A deep reserve only to be used for bye weeks. If you can't sell the idea of him being an every week RB3/flex, you aren't going to get much for him. I don't know what "sell high" means?? A solid TE2? A WR4? Not worth the aggravation to even haggle imo. For now, I'm holding for the bye weeks, but in a pinch I will drop him.
I'm not sure if you're referring to now or the future with the bolded. He is the 21st ranked back in standard (28th in PPR) on a PPG basis right now. So depending on the format he's very much a weekly RB2 or flex and all you would need to do is point to the stats to sell that idea. Like I said, he's on pace for 1600 yards from scrimmage and that's definitely notable.

In any semi-legitimate league, I agree moving DWill will not be an easy task as they're likely aware of the situation. I would argue however that after the recent rash of injuries and overall scarcity at the position that there very well may be a RB hungry team whose judgment might be a bit clouded right now. It's also a perk that he will get his bye out of the way early (assuming you're not leaning on him). I don't know, I think his market value might be a bit higher than you think.

 
No one in my league will touch DeAngelo. I've put out feelers and the responses range from "nah" to "no, I ####### hate DeAngelo" and several grades in between. Not even a dash of interest.

 
No one in my league will touch DeAngelo. I've put out feelers and the responses range from "nah" to "no, I ####### hate DeAngelo" and several grades in between. Not even a dash of interest.
This is how it is. Not how it should be. But it's a dose of reality. People hate Carolina's run game. They hate the perception of either Cam or Tolbert vulturing goal line looks. They hate Jonathan Stewart running well now and on track to come back off the PUP. They should also hate (if they are well informed) the new OC Mike Shula who coaches out of his fathers playbook. One blowout victory in an otherwise dreadful season is like counting on Brandon LaFell scoring multi-TD games. It's a mirage.

You can cite all the PPG stats and claim he's an RB2 till you are blue in the face. You leaguemates will laugh at you. Good luck to those of you able to "sell high".

 
I am surprised people don't have even a little interest at this point. RBs are a mess. My league has teams that don't have 1 RB as productive as Williams has been, yet alone 2.

 
Williams is a FF pariah. He disappointed for many years, people won't touch him. Others include Cutler, Finley, Matthews etc.

 
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mr roboto said:
Williams is a FF pariah. He disappointed for many years, people won't touch him. Others include Cutler, Finley, Matthews etc.
Understood, but how many games would DWills have to produce at a RB2 level before you'd have to consider some sort of renaissance. All of the aforementioned players you mentioned haven't consistently produced like DWills (Cutler last night, Finely injury, Mathews almost non-existent).

I guess it all depends on JStew's affect on DWills once he returns. If for some reason JStew doesn't return/is ineffective then surely a lot of the perceived downside would vanish. At the very least, I know several teams in my league could use him and I'm content with denying them some form of RB production. He'll just rot away on my bench.

 
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mr roboto said:
Williams is a FF pariah. He disappointed for many years, people won't touch him. Others include Cutler, Finley, Matthews etc.
Understood, but how many games would DWills have to produce at a RB2 level before you'd have to consider some sort of renaissance. All of the aforementioned players you mentioned haven't consistently produced like DWills (Cutler last night, Finely injury, Mathews almost non-existent).

I guess it all depends on JStew's affect on DWills once he returns. If for some reason JStew doesn't return/is ineffective then surely a lot of the perceived downside would vanish. At the very least, I know several teams in my league could use him and I'm content with denying them some form of RB production. He'll just rot away on my bench.
We know he is good for 3 more weeks, role wise - of course that includes this week, which is a bye. As noted, you assume that even if Stewart gets a significant role, it wont be in week 7, maybe not week 8.

I'd be targeting Vereen owners or S Jax owners who need someone who can hold the fort for the next month. D Will won't get you much, but might be of enough interest in a package to get some type of upgrade at another position while owners wait for their guy to heal up. Maybe you can find a really disgruntled Wilson owner, or if you have the balls take a chance on Ridley or something, though personally I'd rather have D Will at this point than Ridley.

 
DeAngelo Williams: Rob Chudzinski's exit helped meBy Dan Hanzus

Around the League Writer

It's become increasingly apparent Rob Chudzinski didn't leave much goodwill behind in Charlotte, N.C.

Chudzinski stepped down as offensive coordinator of the Carolina Panthers to become the Cleveland Browns head coach this year. Steve Smith previously explained his belief that Chud got too cute with the Panthers' offense last season in an effort to advance his own career.

Now DeAngelo Williams is speaking out. Williams -- who ranks third in the NFL in rushing entering Week 4 -- told reporters Tuesday that Chudzinski's exit has been directly responsible for his resurgence in the backfield.

"I'm not going to start anything or push anything out there," Williams said, via ESPN.com. "I can say this, though -- a different offensive coordinator. I can definitely say that. The last offensive coordinator got rid of his starting running back."

Williams is referring to the Browns' blockbuster trade last week sending Trent Richardson to the Indianapolis Colts in exchange for a first-round pick. Williams said he wasn't disparaging Chudzinski, who was a major player in that deal getting done.

"Did I take a shot? Or did I speak facts?" Williams asked. "A shot is just like it can be factual but it's really not. That was all facts. I wasn't taking a shot at him -- he knows what he's doing."

We're not sure Williams actually believes that last part.

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Been trying to trade him for Bernard with no luck.

Shot the Steven Jackson owner and Andre + Deangelo for Colston + Sjax trade and got shot down.

Trying to shop him for Gore now.

Feels like it will be impossible to get fair value for him. Even the RB needy teams are unwilling to take a shot on him.

 
His value is gonna stay low. He has a bye this week so no one will really want to trade for him now. Going into week 5 his value will still be low. Even if he has a good game week 5 and/or 6 talk of JStew coming back will keep his value low still

 
Nothing to see here Larry. Same as it was before.

Williams was a top 3 NFL RB talent. Put him in Houston and he would be thinking about his Canton speech.

In 12 teamers or less, he's undraftable unless it's best ball. Becomes a nice value in 16 team leagues. The o-line in Carolina is in shambles. They just signed a guy off the street to start. There will be too many horrible days to stomach. He does have the talent to capitalize when the D screws up and take it the distance. If you look up the term "huge standard deviation" in the dictionary, you'll see a pictue of 2013 DWill.
This is a good posting.
That was actually an awful posting and I hope no one seriously follows that advice. Fact is, JStew may not even play all year.

Jonathan Stewart (ankles) may not be ready when he's eligible to come off the PUP list in Week 7.
Reporters have noticed Stewart "grimacing in pain even after a slight exertion." Writes columnist Scott Fowler, "Stewart may not play the whole year, either." It's clear Stewart isn't close to playing in a game, and there's no guarantee he'll be healed up in two months. Ex-GM Marty Hurney gave Stewart a six-year, $37.8 million contract with $22.5 million guaranteed one year ago.
Obviously, DWills has been criminally underutilized over the past several years. When has hasn't, i.e, gotten 13+ carries, he's averaged 16.9 fantasy points as opposed to 6.1 on sub 13 carries. I think he's going to be touching the ball a bit more this year and since you can get him for cheap (RB4/5), I believe it's worth the risk.
In ppr this year...13, 8, 13, 9, 17, 7, 12 and now Stewart comes back. Could have passed on him for Bell, Woodhead, Moreno, Bearnard, or even Powell at RB. WRs ranked behind him were Gordon, Boldin, Moore, etc.

I shouldn't have used the term undrafted. What I was trying to convey is that he isn't a difference maker needed to win a championship based on where he was being drafted.

Now Stewart is back and you'll never know when to start him.

 
Out of the blue someone offered me a 4th rounder for him after all of my previous overtures were rejected (in a keep5 league - so basically a 9th rounder in redraft). I took it and ran, knowing full well that I got Blackmon in the 4th round this year.

 
Since the thread got bumped anyway, while Williams was not a sexy pick, he did end up ranked as RB21 in stand scoring leagues. Most experts had him ranked in the 30s or 40s and his ADP was in the mid 30s, so he ended up as a decent value based on his acquisition costs (somewhere in the 9th round).

 
Since the thread got bumped anyway, while Williams was not a sexy pick, he did end up ranked as RB21 in stand scoring leagues. Most experts had him ranked in the 30s or 40s and his ADP was in the mid 30s, so he ended up as a decent value based on his acquisition costs (somewhere in the 9th round).
Yeah, his own health holding up and Stewart's continued problems helped his end of year ranking against other players that missed a few games, but there are always a few guys that you know will finish higher than their ADP, but they're ranked that low because you also know their ceiling is extremely low and they probably aren't going to help your team very much. A team had to be pretty strong elsewhere to win while trotting out DeAngelo as their RB2 all year. His PPG was much less impressive than his end of year ranking.

 
Since the thread got bumped anyway, while Williams was not a sexy pick, he did end up ranked as RB21 in stand scoring leagues. Most experts had him ranked in the 30s or 40s and his ADP was in the mid 30s, so he ended up as a decent value based on his acquisition costs (somewhere in the 9th round).
Yeah, his own health holding up and Stewart's continued problems helped his end of year ranking against other players that missed a few games, but there are always a few guys that you know will finish higher than their ADP, but they're ranked that low because you also know their ceiling is extremely low and they probably aren't going to help your team very much. A team had to be pretty strong elsewhere to win while trotting out DeAngelo as their RB2 all year. His PPG was much less impressive than his end of year ranking.
Except no one would have drafted him as a team's RB2. That's sort of the point. In my leagues, he went in the 9th to 11th rounds. He was a decent bench player and roster depth. He was drafted more as insurance than as a starter. For most teams, he would have been a flex play, bye week fill in, or emergency starter if the other RBs got hurt.

 
Since the thread got bumped anyway, while Williams was not a sexy pick, he did end up ranked as RB21 in stand scoring leagues. Most experts had him ranked in the 30s or 40s and his ADP was in the mid 30s, so he ended up as a decent value based on his acquisition costs (somewhere in the 9th round).
Yeah, his own health holding up and Stewart's continued problems helped his end of year ranking against other players that missed a few games, but there are always a few guys that you know will finish higher than their ADP, but they're ranked that low because you also know their ceiling is extremely low and they probably aren't going to help your team very much. A team had to be pretty strong elsewhere to win while trotting out DeAngelo as their RB2 all year. His PPG was much less impressive than his end of year ranking.
Except no one would have drafted him as a team's RB2. That's sort of the point. In my leagues, he went in the 9th to 11th rounds. He was a decent bench player and roster depth. He was drafted more as insurance than as a starter. For most teams, he would have been a flex play, bye week fill in, or emergency starter if the other RBs got hurt.
Well, then they got lucky. Stewart was supposed to be back by the time most bye weeks started. Drafting him expecting any production beyond week the first 6 weeks of Carolina's schedule (they had an early bye IIRC) was a poor bet. It worked out, but the logic is hard to justify. Personally, I saw him as a nice tandem if you wanted to draft a guy like LeVeon Bell since he was slated to miss a few weeks. So you could play DeAngelo while Stewart and Bell were out and by the time DeAngelo was in a RBBC, Bell would be back. I think there were a few other RBs that were supposed to miss a few early games, so I'm using Bell because he's the only one I can recall right now.

But prior to the season we all expected DeAngelo to have a nice start while Stewart was out but for him to be in a RBBC by the time bye weeks rolled around and he definitely wasn't supposed to hold any value by the time playoffs rolled around, so of course his ADP slipped beyond his expected end of year ranking.

 
this dude is ending up on a lot of my MFL0's teams because he's a starting RB available in the round 12-15 and then Stewart is available a few rounds after that. I just can't help myself. Good value or am I wasting roster spots?

 
this dude is ending up on a lot of my MFL0's teams because he's a starting RB available in the round 12-15 and then Stewart is available a few rounds after that. I just can't help myself. Good value or am I wasting roster spots?
If you are lucky, one of them will get hurt and the other will put up RB2 numbers. For the price, I think it is worth it.

 
So if Stewart is out, and Tolbert is out, and all that's on the roster at RB is Reaves and Seastrunk on PS, and if Williams is "healthy" or at least starting, and considering Cam is very limited in running these days by his ankle, ribs and the offense...

...given all that, doesn't that make Williams a pretty good start for about a month, all of a sudden?

 
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So if Stewart is out, and Tolbert is out, and all that's on the roster at RB is Reaves and Seastrunk on PS, and if Williams is "healthy" or at least starting, and considering Cam is very limited in running these days by his ankle, ribs and the offense...

...given all that, doesn't that make Williams a pretty good start for about a month, all of a sudden?
I think all of the above gives Williams some value, and he had a good YPC in the season opener. From what I hear, though, the Carolina O-line is horrible at run blocking. A Panthers homer may be able to speak on whether that info on the O-line is true.
 
So if Stewart is out, and Tolbert is out, and all that's on the roster at RB is Reaves and Seastrunk on PS, and if Williams is "healthy" or at least starting, and considering Cam is very limited in running these days by his ankle, ribs and the offense...

...given all that, doesn't that make Williams a pretty good start for about a month, all of a sudden?
I think all of the above gives Williams some value, and he had a good YPC in the season opener. From what I hear, though, the Carolina O-line is horrible at run blocking. A Panthers homer may be able to speak on whether that info on the O-line is true.
Williams will be lucky to get out of the back field behind that line.

 
Rotoworld:

DeAngelo Williams - RB - Panthers

DeAngelo Williams' ankle is in a hard cast.

This after he had the injured ankle in a walking boot earlier this week. It suggests Williams will certainly miss an extended period of time after he revealed to fans on Monday that he's dealing with a high-ankle sprain. Darrin Reaves, Fozzy Whittaker, and Chris Ogbonnaya are expected to handle backfield duties Week 5.

Source: Joe Person on Twitter

Oct 1 - 9:17 AM
 
Rotoworld:

ESPN Panthers reporter David Newton said it is "hard to imagine" DeAngelo Williams returning to Carolina next season.
This echoes the sentiments of Panthers GM Dave Gettleman, who hinted Williams likely will not be back with the team earlier in the week. Williams was only available for six games in 2014, gaining just 3.5 yards per carry and failing to find the end zone. With Jonathan Stewart healthy and showing his class down the stretch, there is little reason for the Panthers to hang onto Williams.

Source: ESPN
Jan 17 - 11:31 AM
 
Question is, does he get signed anywhere else and make an impact? Seems like a long shot, but Moreno shocked me as well...

 

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