Decision Reversed. CBS awards Championship to Team A (1 Viewer)

[dabommers]

Situation: In Championship game, Team A is ahead going into Monday nights game. There's one player left for Team A; Team B is done for the week. Championship Game is virtually over, right?

But Wait ... Team A makes the last player inactive before the game to secure his victory, but makes his weekly lineup illegal. How could this be? What rule you ask?

From the Official CBS rules "Weekly Lineups" section: http://football.cbssports.com/splash/footb...ln/single/rules

Teams / Teams Overview

*You are allowed as many as 9 players in your starting lineup, according to the positional requirements (for this league, standard lineups are 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/1K/Def). However the numbers in the "starting lineup" column represent the "maximum" number of players you may have at each position. You may use fewer players than the number listed at each position without penalty ... but, then there is this conflicting rule ....

Lineup Changes

Weekly Lineups

Each week, owners have the opportunity to select their starting lineup for the coming week. If an owner doesn't set a lineup before the weekly lineup deadline (explained in the "Deadline to Change Status" section below), the owner's lineup from the previous week will be used

Deadline to Change Status

An owner may change the status of the players on his/her team (i.e., "active" or "reserve") up to 5 minutes before a player's NFL team is scheduled to start.

By this rule it appears that Team A's lineup week 15 was used with their respective scores from week 16. The score however shows Team B (lower score) is the Champ by a score of 85(B)-95(A) which was the score, ex. Favre.

UPDATE: CBS awards Championship to Team A. Team A wins Shark vote by a margin of 2-1

 

[Stealthycat]

who was the player made inactive?

why do you have it so that Sunday night lineups can be changed to make them invalid?

Team A should NEVER have been able to make a lineup invalid - I hate CBS and I know MFL wouldn't have allowed that to happen so IMO Team A should never have been allowed to make the change anyway.

 

[Titans_fan]

I think the key point about CBS official rules is the phrase "as many as" which says to me, "you can't exceed nine players in your starting lineup."

Unless your league specifically prevents owners from starting lineups that don't meet exact criteria, I think you have to give team A the win and a pat on the back for thinking ahead.

Otherwise, team B gets the win per your rules.

 

[Steeler]

Do you have your own rules? Or did you just use the CBS rules?

Based on what you said so far, I think you just used the CBS rules... so I'd contact them and ask why the lineup is illegal. Because based on the rules you posted from CBS, it seems the lineup should be legal

 

[FavreCo]

I voted team B because a sissy who is afraid to start his own player doesn't deserve the championship. He's not a coach. He needs to go down to Zombie-mart and by a pack of dresses to wear around.

What a coward.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The player was Favre. As you may know, this is a pre-set CBS Platinum league, not one in which the rules can be changed or modified. More information here from the CBS official rules that apply to the Platinum league ...."an owner ... is allowed as many as 9 players in your starting lineup, according to the positional requirements ... In this Platinum league, the starting lineup had 1 at QB and 9 overall .... The official rules go on to say .... "You may use fewer players than the number listed at each position without penalty." So perhaps the reason Team A lost was not an illegal line-up as he would have played 8 players, with 0 at QB?

This is how I would interpret it. If owners are allowed to start zero quarterbacks, then it sounds like A's lineup was legal.

 

[Islander]

Wow, this is utterly dumb. What if:

Team A week 16 even if Favre has 6 TDs no INT < team B week 16 < team A week 15

?

Then you deactivate Favre to win the league because your week 15 score was high?

This is so stupid for a league set up and rules I am not even voting!

 

[dabommers]

I would think the thought was Favre could go negative .. get hurt .. and he would lose. Favre did have -1 pts mid-2nd Q and had 2 fumbles (but one turnover) and a pass almost intercepted. It would not have been to far fetched to have Favre at -3 or -5pts at the half and possiblly replaced. In this case, it would have cost him the game.

Needless to say, in the end "Favre" was, well, "Favre"; scoring 20+pts, most in the 2nd half.

 

[bryhamm]

Situation: In Championship game, Team A is ahead going into Monday nights game. There's one player left for Team A; Team B is done for the week. Championship Game is virtually over, right?

But Wait ... Team A makes the last player inactive before the game to secure his victory, but makes his weekly lineup illegal. How could this be? What rule you ask?

From the Official CBS rules "Weekly Lineups" section:

.... if an owner doesn't set a lineup (9 players total with one QB - Favre in this case) before the weekly lineup deadline (5 minutes before the nfl gametime for that player - MNF game in this case), the owner's lineup from the previous week will be used.

By this rule it appears that Team A's lineup and score from week 15. Team B was awarded the win because Team B week 16 ouscored Team A week 15. We will contact CBS for the official ruling, but your Shark Forum vote determines the True Champ ...

Team A or Team B ?

Thanks for your vote!

How do you equate the lineup from the previous week to include the score? I have often seen a rule where if you had an illegal lineup it reverts to the previous week's lineup (heck, I have that rule in a couple of my leagues). But that would mean you set his week 16 lineup to be identical to his week 15 lineup, but he gets the scores for those players for week 16.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Uhhhhhhhh..... ok.

If submitting an illegal lineup resultsin a zero score, then Team A should lose.

However, in your league it sounds like a team may sit a player and have none active for a position. So he violated no rule, so he doesn't get a zero score and Team A should get the win.

 

[Chaka]

I voted team B because a sissy who is afraid to start his own player doesn't deserve the championship. He's not a coach. He needs to go down to Zombie-mart and by a pack of dresses to wear around.What a coward.

Trying a little hard to be inflammatory FavreCo don't ya think?I presume you feel the same way when QBs kneel down at the end of games to run out the clock and preserve a victory. Must make you angry every single week, that can't be good for you.

 

[DropKick]

Situation: In Championship game, Team A is ahead going into Monday nights game. There's one player left for Team A; Team B is done for the week. Championship Game is virtually over, right? But Wait ... Team A makes the last player inactive before the game to secure his victory, but makes his weekly lineup illegal. How could this be? What rule you ask? From the Official CBS rules "Weekly Lineups" section:.... if an owner doesn't set a lineup (9 players total with one QB - Favre in this case) before the weekly lineup deadline (5 minutes before the nfl gametime for that player - MNF game in this case), the owner's lineup from the previous week will be used. By this rule it appears that Team A's lineup and score from week 15. Team B was awarded the win because Team B week 16 ouscored Team A week 15. We will contact CBS for the official ruling, but your Shark Forum vote determines the True Champ ... Team A or Team B ?Thanks for your vote!

The context of this wording (and the solution of using the previous week's line-up) is for a situation when no line-up is submitted. A line-up was submitted in this case. His entire line-up is not in question, just the QB.I also think you've mistaken the idea of taking the score from week 15 - the rule is not worded that way. You just take the line-up... with the week 16 score.I believe the guy won the league. Granted, I think pulling Favre was poor sportsmanship. But, your league must have precedents regarding line-ups. Have players been left in line-ups when they're hurt or on bye? How was that handled?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Situation: In Championship game, Team A is ahead going into Monday nights game. There's one player left for Team A; Team B is done for the week. Championship Game is virtually over, right?

But Wait ... Team A makes the last player inactive before the game to secure his victory, but makes his weekly lineup illegal. How could this be? What rule you ask?

From the Official CBS rules "Weekly Lineups" section:

.... if an owner doesn't set a lineup (9 players total with one QB - Favre in this case) before the weekly lineup deadline (5 minutes before the nfl gametime for that player - MNF game in this case), the owner's lineup from the previous week will be used.

By this rule it appears that Team A's lineup and score from week 15. Team B was awarded the win because Team B week 16 ouscored Team A week 15. We will contact CBS for the official ruling, but your Shark Forum vote determines the True Champ ...

Team A or Team B ?

Thanks for your vote!

How do you equate the lineup from the previous week to include the score? I have often seen a rule where if you had an illegal lineup it reverts to the previous week's lineup (heck, I have that rule in a couple of my leagues). But that would mean you set his week 16 lineup to be identical to his week 15 lineup, but he gets the scores for those players for week 16.

That's what you seem to be missing. If the guy started Favre last week then by not starting him this week, in essence he is starting him. The rule states the line-up will be reverted to the prior week's line-up, not that you get last week's score.

Team A wins either way you look at it.

 

[dabommers]

Team A's last week lineup had a different D, RB's etc.

 

[cheese]

Wow, this is utterly dumb. What if:Team A week 16 even if Favre has 6 TDs no INT < team B week 16 < team A week 15?Then you deactivate Favre to win the league because your week 15 score was high?This is so stupid for a league set up and rules I am not even voting!

Exactly, this can't possibly be the rule. If team A's week 16 score was higher using week 15 lineup than team B's week 16 score he should sit Favre and automatically win regardless if his own week 16 score is losing badly to team B.

 

[Nugget]

I'm missing something. Did he start Favre last week?

 

[TommyGilmore]

By this rule it appears that Team A's lineup week 15 was used with their respective scores from week 16. The score however shows Team B (lower score) is the Champ by a score of 85(B)-95(A) which was the score, ex. Favre. It show Favre with "0"pts and does not show a recorded lineup change before the Monday night game? hmmm....

Why would it exclude Favre? The rule clearly states that an invalid lineup automatically reverts to the Week 15 lineup.It has to be one or the other:Week 16 lineup WITHOUT FavreorWeek 15 lineup WITH FavreYou cannot have both. Otherwise, you STILL have an invalid lineup, which would put you into one of those endless causality loops from Star Trek.

 

[FavreCo]

I voted team B because a sissy who is afraid to start his own player doesn't deserve the championship. He's not a coach. He needs to go down to Zombie-mart and by a pack of dresses to wear around.What a coward.

Trying a little hard to be inflammatory FavreCo don't ya think?I presume you feel the same way when QBs kneel down at the end of games to run out the clock and preserve a victory. Must make you angry every single week, that can't be good for you.

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[Topes]

From the Official CBS rules "Weekly Lineups" section:.... if an owner doesn't set a lineup (9 players total with one QB - Favre in this case) before the weekly lineup deadline (5 minutes before the nfl gametime for that player - MNF game in this case), the owner's lineup from the previous week will be used.

How do the CBS rules define "doesn't set a lineup" ??It would appear to the casual observer that the team owner set a lineup here and that this rule is not applicable.What comes before your ellipsis?

 

[jackdubl]

The player was Favre. As you may know, this is a pre-set CBS Platinum league, not one in which the rules can be changed or modified. More information here from the CBS official rules that apply to the Platinum league ...."an owner ... is allowed as many as 9 players in your starting lineup, according to the positional requirements ... In this Platinum league, the starting lineup had 1 at QB and 9 overall .... The official rules go on to say .... "You may use fewer players than the number listed at each position without penalty." So perhaps the reason Team A lost was not an illegal line-up as he would have played 8 players, with 0 at QB?

This is how I would interpret it. If owners are allowed to start zero quarterbacks, then it sounds like A's lineup was legal.

/thread.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Here's the problem: You're giving a team an "out" to change their lineup and possibly steal a win. Suppose Team A was losing because they made bad lineup choices, but their week 15 lineup would have won. They could compare the numbers, purposely submit an illegal lineup Monday afternoon, trigger the "use last week's lineup" rule and secure a win.

Since that can't be allowed, you can't allow this, either. You can't allow a team to re-score their lineup with new guys-- whether it helps them or hurts them. IF you had a rule that said that an illegal lineup scores a zero, team B would have a technical argument. but that's not the rule. The rule as it stands gives an unfair advantage to a team who could alter their scores after the games have been played (except one).

Favre gets a zero and team A wins the game. They won on Sunday, so they won on Monday and Tuesday, too. Team B is looking for a loophole, but they lost.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

doesn't look like it will matter that much but your poll is a little misleading and slanted IMO. I think you are Team B. Am I right?

wording the question as

Team A (Higher score, illegal lineup)

Team B (by Rule)

kinda slants people to voting for Team B if they don't read through the thread.

Illegal = bad

By Rule = good

see what I mean?

 

[jackdubl]

doesn't look like it will matter that much but your poll is a little misleading and slanted IMO. I think you are Team B. Am I right?

 

[RUSF18]

From the Official CBS rules "Weekly Lineups" section:.... if an owner doesn't set a lineup (9 players total with one QB - Favre in this case) before the weekly lineup deadline (5 minutes before the nfl gametime for that player - MNF game in this case), the owner's lineup from the previous week will be used.

How do the CBS rules define "doesn't set a lineup" ??It would appear to the casual observer that the team owner set a lineup here and that this rule is not applicable.What comes before your ellipsis?

Yeah, I'd like to see the rules quoted fully, with no ellipsis or comments thrown in. He didn't even use a second set of " to distinguish the rule from his comments in a couple places.At the very worst, it sounds like you have two contradictory rules. If you can start 0 quarterbacks (or 0 at any position), I'm not sure how you can ever have an illegal lineup unless you have some kind of terrible system where you can have as many starters as you want.Team A wins.

 

[Tanner9919]

Wow, this is utterly dumb. What if:

Team A week 16 even if Favre has 6 TDs no INT < team B week 16 < team A week 15

?

Then you deactivate Favre to win the league because your week 15 score was high?

This is so stupid for a league set up and rules I am not even voting!

 

[ceo3west]

Give Team A the title in the spirit of the game. I wouldn't want to "win" a title on a technicality like this, it's not legit in my opinion. This isn't like the NFL where there are hard rules in place with no room for cutting slack. This is a contest among friends. Award the guy with the most points the title, he deserves it.

 

[Horses Mouth]

I voted team B because a sissy who is afraid to start his own player doesn't deserve the championship. He's not a coach. He needs to go down to Zombie-mart and by a pack of dresses to wear around.

What a coward.

 

[shuke]

Why is there conflicting information in here about the rules? Just post the rules exactly as they appear on the site.

 

[dabommers]

Why is there conflicting information in here about the rules? Just post the rules exactly as they appear on the site.

Here you go, direct from the site ....http://football.cbssports.com/splash/footb...ln/single/rules

Teams

Teams Overview

*You are allowed as many as 9 players in your starting lineup, according to the positional requirements listed in the table above. However the numbers in the "starting lineup" column represent the "maximum" number of players you may have at each position. You may use fewer players than the number listed at each position without penalty.

Lineup Changes

Weekly Lineups

Each week, owners have the opportunity to select their starting lineup for the coming week. If an owner doesn't set a lineup before the weekly lineup deadline (explained in the "Deadline to Change Status" section below), the owner's lineup from the previous week will be used. If an owner has an Illegal Lineup, their team will score zero points for the scoring period. Deadline to Change Status

An owner may change the status of the players on his/her team (i.e., "active" or "reserve") up to 5 minutes before a player's NFL team is scheduled to start. While there are benefits to last minute research, please play it safe and make changes well before this 5-minute window arrives. CBSII will not be responsible if your watch or clock and our system clock are not synchronized. Please note that, if 9 of your players were "active" and played on Sunday, you will not be able to change the status of one of your "reserves" to "active" on Monday even though the player didn't play yet.

 

[Cawbird]

Here's the problem: You're giving a team an "out" to change their lineup and possibly steal a win. Suppose Team A was losing because they made bad lineup choices, but their week 15 lineup would have won. They could compare the numbers, purposely submit an illegal lineup Monday afternoon, trigger the "use last week's lineup" rule and secure a win. Since that can't be allowed, you can't allow this, either. You can't allow a team to re-score their lineup with new guys-- whether it helps them or hurts them. IF you had a rule that said that an illegal lineup scores a zero, team B would have a technical argument. but that's not the rule. The rule as it stands gives an unfair advantage to a team who could alter their scores after the games have been played (except one). Favre gets a zero and team A wins the game. They won on Sunday, so they won on Monday and Tuesday, too. Team B is looking for a loophole, but they lost.

This!It is definitely a cowardly move by Team A, but he should still get the victory.

 

[RUSF18]

Why is there conflicting information in here about the rules? Just post the rules exactly as they appear on the site.

Here you go, direct from the site ....http://football.cbssports.com/splash/footb...ln/single/rules

Teams

Teams Overview

*You are allowed as many as 9 players in your starting lineup, according to the positional requirements listed in the table above. However the numbers in the "starting lineup" column represent the "maximum" number of players you may have at each position. You may use fewer players than the number listed at each position without penalty.

Lineup Changes

Weekly Lineups

Each week, owners have the opportunity to select their starting lineup for the coming week. If an owner doesn't set a lineup before the weekly lineup deadline (explained in the "Deadline to Change Status" section below), the owner's lineup from the previous week will be used. If an owner has an Illegal Lineup, their team will score zero points for the scoring period. Deadline to Change Status

An owner may change the status of the players on his/her team (i.e., "active" or "reserve") up to 5 minutes before a player's NFL team is scheduled to start. While there are benefits to last minute research, please play it safe and make changes well before this 5-minute window arrives. CBSII will not be responsible if your watch or clock and our system clock are not synchronized. Please note that, if 9 of your players were "active" and played on Sunday, you will not be able to change the status of one of your "reserves" to "active" on Monday even though the player didn't play yet.

Thank you, this settles it. Team A wins. He set a legal lineup. Now can you just tell us that you're Team B? It's okay, don't feel bad...we already know.

 

[dabommers]

Yep, you guessed it team B .... I guess the right thing to do is forfeit the $600.

 

[tigerz]

Why is there conflicting information in here about the rules? Just post the rules exactly as they appear on the site.

Here you go, direct from the site ....http://football.cbssports.com/splash/footb...ln/single/rules

Teams

Teams Overview

*You are allowed as many as 9 players in your starting lineup, according to the positional requirements listed in the table above. However the numbers in the "starting lineup" column represent the "maximum" number of players you may have at each position. You may use fewer players than the number listed at each position without penalty.

Lineup Changes

Weekly Lineups

Each week, owners have the opportunity to select their starting lineup for the coming week. If an owner doesn't set a lineup before the weekly lineup deadline (explained in the "Deadline to Change Status" section below), the owner's lineup from the previous week will be used. If an owner has an Illegal Lineup, their team will score zero points for the scoring period. Deadline to Change Status

An owner may change the status of the players on his/her team (i.e., "active" or "reserve") up to 5 minutes before a player's NFL team is scheduled to start. While there are benefits to last minute research, please play it safe and make changes well before this 5-minute window arrives. CBSII will not be responsible if your watch or clock and our system clock are not synchronized. Please note that, if 9 of your players were "active" and played on Sunday, you will not be able to change the status of one of your "reserves" to "active" on Monday even though the player didn't play yet.

Don't understand why you think this is illegal. Seems like you're reaching for a reason to not give him the win. If these rules are correct, it doesn't say anywhere that it is illegal to not start a player, just that you can't start more than the maximum. It also says, specifically if the owner does not setup a lineup then it will use the previous lineup. He submitted a lineup, not a great one (seeing as how he had no qb), but it was a lineup. If it was an illegal lineup, it wouldn't change the lineup like you said it would but he would get an automatic zero for the week so there is no loophole that allows a losing team to get more points or change their lineup. If a person didn't setup a lineup it would use the same lineup as last week... isn't that more common sense than anything? If they don't setup a lineup then it will be the same rather than having no lineup set and getting a zero. You're reading too much into this and confusing what's really going on.All that being said, the guy doesn't even know how to take a zero properly if he is even in this position. He should have just substituted Favre for Sage Rosenfels (inactive) and he wouldn't even be in this predicament.

 

[shuke]

You may use fewer players than the number listed at each position without penalty.

Team A wins. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[Chaka]

I voted team B because a sissy who is afraid to start his own player doesn't deserve the championship. He's not a coach. He needs to go down to Zombie-mart and by a pack of dresses to wear around.What a coward.

Trying a little hard to be inflammatory FavreCo don't ya think?I presume you feel the same way when QBs kneel down at the end of games to run out the clock and preserve a victory. Must make you angry every single week, that can't be good for you.

What the hell are you talking about?

The incoherent ramblings of a madman.

 

[Summer Wheat]

If you have minus points in your leagues scoring system Team A skirted the rules.

If you do have minus points and team A removed a player from his lineup..he loses.

 

[shuke]

If you have minus points in your leagues scoring system Team A skirted the rules. If you do have minus points and team A removed a player from his lineup..he loses.

Did you miss where the rules were posted?

 

[TommyGilmore]

You may use fewer players than the number listed at each position without penalty.

Team A wins. You should be ashamed of yourself.

People like dabommers are the reason why CBS is the AOL of fantasy football.

 

[The Comedian]

Uhhh, the second rule is about owners who don't set a lineup at all. He did set a lineup, so that rule is not relevant.

Pretty bad you can't figure this out yourself and you run a league. Even worse that you're letting the opinion of a messageboard run your league. Quit.

 

[lord_helmet]

Quit being a misleading ##### and pay the man.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Situation: In Championship game, Team A is ahead going into Monday nights game. There's one player left for Team A; Team B is done for the week. Championship Game is virtually over, right?

But Wait ... Team A makes the last player inactive before the game to secure his victory, but makes his weekly lineup illegal. How could this be? What rule you ask?

From the Official CBS rules "Weekly Lineups" section:

.... if an owner doesn't set a lineup (9 players total with one QB - Favre in this case) before the weekly lineup deadline (5 minutes before the nfl gametime for that player - MNF game in this case), the owner's lineup from the previous week will be used.

By this rule it appears that Team A's lineup and score from week 15. Team B was awarded the win because Team B week 16 ouscored Team A week 15. We will contact CBS for the official ruling, but your Shark Forum vote determines the True Champ ...

Team A or Team B ?

Thanks for your vote!

How do you equate the lineup from the previous week to include the score? I have often seen a rule where if you had an illegal lineup it reverts to the previous week's lineup (heck, I have that rule in a couple of my leagues). But that would mean you set his week 16 lineup to be identical to his week 15 lineup, but he gets the scores for those players for week 16.

This.Not reading any further.

 

[FUBAR]

I don't see how this is debateable, Team A wins.

 

[geoff8695]

Yep, you guessed it team B .... I guess the right thing to do is forfeit the $600.

What the heck is this "forfeit" talk about?!? Team A beat you, he WON the money - it's not YOURS to FORFEIT.Money should never factor into the commisioner's decision making. Methinks, maybe someone else should step forward and commision your league going forward...

 

[Sebowski]

Week 17 rematch!

 

[Topes]

By this rule it appears that Team A's lineup week 15 was used with their respective scores from week 16. The score however shows Team B (lower score) is the Champ by a score of 85(B)-95(A) which was the score, ex. Favre.

What do you mean by "appears that" ???You got screen caps?I feel like I'm having my goose leg chased here.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Yep, you guessed it team B .... I guess the right thing to do is forfeit the $600.

you are making the baby Jesus cry with this crap

 

[Jimmy James]

A obviously wins.

Since our vote supposedly carries so much weight, you should forward this discussion to every owner in your league and initiate a vote for your own impeachment as commissioner for the biased poll and whining.

 

[jackdubl]

Here you go, direct from the site ....

*You are allowed as many as 9 players in your starting lineup, according to the positional requirements listed in the table above. However the numbers in the "starting lineup" column represent the "maximum" number of players you may have at each position. You may use fewer players than the number listed at each position without penalty.

Don't know why the CBS site didn't give him the win, but this rule is clear and unambiguous. Shoot, it says it three different ways to make sure you get it. I don't know how you can be clearer than the bolded portion. Nothing wrong with his lineup. Team A wins.

 

[T Love]

There is absolutely no ambiguity in the rule as posted so Team A wins. Yes Team A is p*ssy, but the rule is crystal clear.

 

[Little Joe]

doesn't look like it will matter that much but your poll is a little misleading and slanted IMO. I think you are Team B. Am I right?