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Democratic Debate (1 Viewer)

hagmania said:
I honestly think that prayer answer was horrendous and could cost Hillary a non-insignificant amount of votes.
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If its against Trump?

Both seem to have issues with such questions.  Though, their answer should always be the same that its freaking irrelevant to the job.

 
1. The supposed anti-Semitism among Blacks is wayyyy exaggerated. 

2. All Hillary had to do was hold serve tonight, but in fact she won the debate IMO. She successfully shifted the Wall Street issue to the auto bailout. She showed greater empathy on the gun issue and even more importantly on issues of color. And most importantly, Bernie really is a one issue candidate and he can't seem to get off of the one issue. 

 
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timschochet said:
1. The supposed anti-Semitism among Blacks is wayyyy exaggerated. 

2. All Hillary had to do was hold serve tonight, but in fact she won the debate IMO. She successfully shifted the Wall Street issue to the auto bailout. She showed greater empathy on the gun issue and even more importantly on issues of color. And most importantly, Bernie really is a one issue candidate and he can't seem to get off of the one issue. 
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Go home.  You're drunk.

 
timschochet said:
2. All Hillary had to do was hold serve tonight, but in fact she won the debate IMO. 
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Dude, you are absolutely insane. Unlike you, I'm not wedded to any candidate here. And by any unbiased perspective, she got her head handed to her tonight. 

 
timschochet said:
1. The supposed anti-Semitism among Blacks is wayyyy exaggerated. 

2. All Hillary had to do was hold serve tonight, but in fact she won the debate IMO. She successfully shifted the Wall Street issue to the auto bailout. She showed greater empathy on the gun issue and even more importantly on issues of color. And most importantly, Bernie really is a one issue candidate and he can't seem to get off of the one issue. 
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I hate notions of "black leadership" but in the past 40 years, I would think it reasonable to assert the primary black leaders would be sharpton and Jackson. And to a lesser extent your farakans

All have made repeated anti semetic statements in public. What was the response in the community?   

 
Really impressed with Bernie. Of all the candidates this year, he seems like the only one who is genuine and I believe he has legitimately good intentions.  He'll take a bunch of my money, but I'm OK with that if the country ends up in a better place for my kids' generation. 

 
Otis said:
Really impressed with Bernie. Of all the candidates this year, he seems like the only one who is genuine and I believe he has legitimately good intentions.  He'll take a bunch of my money, but I'm OK with that if the country ends up in a better place for my kids' generation. 
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I dont care what his intentions are, or if he has good intentions. I already pay alot of taxes. Give me an honest politician that lets me decide what to do with my money. 

 
Really loved the answers on civil rights. 

Bernie:well, I fought for equality, fought segregation in university facilities, was arrested for protesting, and marched with Dr. King. 

Hillary: well I lived in the suburbs but one time my mom took me into the city to work with poor black kids 

Seriously stunning that minorities are voting for Hillary. He's the champion of the poor and oppressed, and has a track record. She married a guy who played sax on arsenio. 

I just don't get it. 

 
Otis said:
Really impressed with Bernie. Of all the candidates this year, he seems like the only one who is genuine and I believe he has legitimately good intentions.  He'll take a bunch of my money, but I'm OK with that if the country ends up in a better place for my kids' generation. 
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John Kasich is all those things plus has common sense on economic policy. 

 
Otis said:
Really loved the answers on civil rights. 

Bernie:well, I fought for equality, fought segregation in university facilities, was arrested for protesting, and marched with Dr. King. 

Hillary: well I lived in the suburbs but one time my mom took me into the city to work with poor black kids 

Seriously stunning that minorities are voting for Hillary. He's the champion of the poor and oppressed, and has a track record. She married a guy who played sax on arsenio. 

I just don't get it. 
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I keep listening to Sirius' Urban radio: based on that, a lot of blacks think Bernie talks down do them. Always talking about economics when that's only one aspect of black problems in this country.  And they REALLY resent it when white progressives demand to know why they're supporting Hillary and not Bernie. I mean this really ticks them off. 

 
Otis said:
Really loved the answers on civil rights. 

Bernie:well, I fought for equality, fought segregation in university facilities, was arrested for protesting, and marched with Dr. King. 

Hillary: well I lived in the suburbs but one time my mom took me into the city to work with poor black kids 

Seriously stunning that minorities are voting for Hillary. He's the champion of the poor and oppressed, and has a track record. She married a guy who played sax on arsenio. 

I just don't get it. 
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I mentioned this the other day to someone, this goes back to the politics of the South where you vote in blocks so that you have minority representation at the local and state level.  I come from a county where county commissioners and school board members aren't chosen by ward or place, nor by 1 person 1 vote, you have 7 votes per voter.  You can vote 7 times for one candidate, once for 7 different, 5 for one, 1 for a 2nd and 1 for a 3rd, etc.  It was the system a federal judge put in place to help ensure minority representation.  For it to work, in general only one minority candidate runs and minority voters use all their votes for that candidate.

 
And we're not going to get much of a real poll on this debate except for the Michigan primary, but I expect Hillary to win that pretty handily. 

 
Otis said:
Really loved the answers on civil rights. 

Bernie:well, I fought for equality, fought segregation in university facilities, was arrested for protesting, and marched with Dr. King. 

Hillary: well I lived in the suburbs but one time my mom took me into the city to work with poor black kids 

Seriously stunning that minorities are voting for Hillary. He's the champion of the poor and oppressed, and has a track record. She married a guy who played sax on arsenio. 

I just don't get it. 
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To be fair, he probably banged a few black broads too.

Maybe he gets too much false credit for Juannita Broddrick

 
That poll doesnt matter. Hillary will win MI. Detroit will vote for her, its already over regardless of who won the debate. Its already been decided. 

 
timschochet said:
I keep listening to Sirius' Urban radio: based on that, a lot of blacks think Bernie talks down do them. Always talking about economics when that's only one aspect of black problems in this country.  And they REALLY resent it when white progressives demand to know why they're supporting Hillary and not Bernie. I mean this really ticks them off. 
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Hillary talks down to everybody, so I guess that's another difference between the two.

 
Otis said:
Really loved the answers on civil rights. 

Bernie:well, I fought for equality, fought segregation in university facilities, was arrested for protesting, and marched with Dr. King. 

Hillary: well I lived in the suburbs but one time my mom took me into the city to work with poor black kids 

Seriously stunning that minorities are voting for Hillary. He's the champion of the poor and oppressed, and has a track record. She married a guy who played sax on arsenio. 

I just don't get it. 
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Bernie didn't want to "play ball".  There are certain people that need to be greased, certain church coffers that need to be filled. Hillary has experience with this and knows how to play the game.  Nobody wants to hear it but it's true.

 
My first time hearing about black people hating jews, and I'm black. 

But anyways, from my experience younger black voters like Bernie and older ones are riding with Hillary. 

 
KingPrawn said:
:lmao:

19000 votes and Bernie with 97% of the votes. But Tim says Hillary not only held serve but won the debate. And yet the Trump supporters that are delusional.
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Does not matter, come TUE night she will still win MI. Embrace your identity voting party. 

 
timschochet said:
1. The supposed anti-Semitism among Blacks is wayyyy exaggerated. 

2. All Hillary had to do was hold serve tonight, but in fact she won the debate IMO. She successfully shifted the Wall Street issue to the auto bailout. She showed greater empathy on the gun issue and even more importantly on issues of color. And most importantly, Bernie really is a one issue candidate and he can't seem to get off of the one issue. 
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Really wish Bernie would start owning being a one issue candidate and that issue is the American public while proclaiming Hillary is also a one issue candidate and that issue is fulfilling her expectant cornonation.

 
Card Trader said:
It's amazing how these networks get behind their candidates.  The media is garbage, plain and simple.
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Now, we have been online here, we have had as avowed dyed in the wool Hillary guys as you can have in this thread, good back and forth tonight... and not one person mentioned Bernie's "tone".  Yet this is a significant shared perspective in the aftermath on CNN... where we live in a world were women are strong, capable and in the arena, but agreed "it wasn't a good look" and compared it to Rick Lazio's infamous moment.  

And in this defense of the fairer sex, they lamented Hillary's challenges facing sexism in the debates.  

Mystifying.  

 
Willie Neslon said:
Bernie didn't want to "play ball".  There are certain people that need to be greased, certain church coffers that need to be filled. Hillary has experience with this and knows how to play the game.  Nobody wants to hear it but it's true.
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With the exception of the cringey question about god...Even when sanders falls back on his talking points and doesn't directly respond to the question, he only talks about issues. 

The guy gives absolutely zero effs about self-promotion or going after clinton for being a unscrupulous scumbag part of the machine.  Whatever ego the guy has, it seems as though it's confined to his beliefs in causes. He gave back to back one/(two) word answers. Do you support fracking? "No." What about the local leaders who do? "They're wrong."  

Sanders may not be the democratic socialist zealot most of America wants (or deserves?), but we could do far worse than a guy whose internal and external struggles seem to both be about balancing idealism with rationality.

 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/06/winners-and-losers-from-the-7th-democratic-presidential-debate/?postshare=2701457320146330&tid=ss_tw

Chris Cillizza

Winners
* Hillary Clinton: The former Secretary of State came ready to fight on Sunday night. She kept her hit on Sanders's opposition to the auto bailout well hidden in the run-up to the debate in order to get maximum impact when she dropped it on his head. Ditto her attack on him being the long Democrat to vote against the Export-Import bank.  She is still not great when it comes to answering questions she doesn't want to answer.  Her I'll-release-my-Wall-Street-speeches-when-everyone-else-does answer to a question on her high-paid speaking gigs was, still, not very good. And, she remains overly cautious as a candidate; when pressed whether people at the Environmental Protection Agency should lose their jobs over what happened in Flint, Clinton was unwilling to say they should -- a swing and a miss at a hanging curveball.  Still, overall, this was a very solid showing by Clinton. On guns, on failing schools and on Flint, she was confident and effective.

Losers
* Bernie Sanders: The Vermont Senator had effectively walked a fine line in the previous six debates when it came to attacking Clinton without coming across as either bullying or condescending. He tripped and fell while trying to execute that delicate dance on Sunday night. Sanders's "excuse me, I'm talking" rebuttal to Clinton hinted at the fact that he was losing his temper with her. His "can I finish please" retort ensured that his tone and his approach to someone trying to become the first female presidential nominee in either party would be THE story of the night.

Put aside the fact that Sanders misstepped on tone, he also did nothing to change the underlying dynamics of the race. If you think Wall Street is the problem for much of what ails the country, you were for Sanders before this debate and certainly for him after it too. But, as we know from the first 40 percent or so of states that have voted, there aren't enough of those people to make him the nominee.  Sanders didn't knock Clinton off her game in any meaningful way, making the debate a loss for him. (Sidebar: His answer about white people not knowing what it is like to live in a ghetto or be poor would have been a massive gaffe if he was not as far behind in the delegate chase as he is.)

 
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