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Democratic Debate (1 Viewer)
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I usually get upset when someone questions me on something and I don't have a good answer. It's human nature.
TLEF316
Footballguy
We appreciate the new fangled social media. We just don't see the need to quote every ####### out there. If I wanted their opinion, I would subscribe.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
YOU didn't have a reaction. You never mentioned this point until you saw others raise it after the debate
The Commish
Footballguy
It's cute that you still hold onto this notion that "free trade" exists in the world. It doesn't and it won't ever because other governments know the dangers of completely free trade. It's only the GOPers here in this country and those who are beholden to the economic status of the world in 1960 that believe in "free trade". Things have changed a little bit since then.
The Commish
Footballguy
Meh...you can keep trying to make this true but it isn't. It's clear that his belief is when corporations are benefiting at the direct expense of the electorate, he has a problem with that. There's a significant difference between that and the drivel you are trying to pass off as his position. I guess we are to that phase of the "discussion"?
The Commish
Footballguy
says the guy who believes "free trade" exists.
Ok....I'm stopping....I've done my hippling for the day...shame too because there's a ton of juice in the last few pages.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
The Commish
Footballguy
Careful....you're sending up the Tim/TGunz "exactly the same" shtick-o-meter.........be prepared.
The Commish
Footballguy
The latest talking point around this phenomena is that black people feel guilty for voting for the black man instead of her 2008 so they are doing her a solid by voting for her this time around.
Uwe Blab
Footballguy
I'm not sure we're allowed to say this today, but here goes nothing: African-Americans are just as stupid and ill-informed as the rest of the general public/electorate.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I'm by no means a gun guy, but wouldn't the argument from pro gun people be that firearms aren't necessarily meant to murder people either? Recreation, hunting, non-lethal self-defense seem to be leading candidates of their use over murder.
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The only democratic alternative is a guy who wants make everything free and tax people into oblivion. He's just way too extreme with his plans.
If having a liar as president keeps the country on pretty much the same, I'm cool with that.
The Commish
Footballguy
Turns out....paying for 13 years of education is the exact line. You suggest paying for an additional 4 then it's armageddon. I had no idea people were so against the public education system in this country.
Gachi
Footballguy
Really?
Education is usually the first thing to get cut. I don't know why we don't value education.
Gachi
Footballguy
The good thing about Bernie is that even if he doesn't win the nom or become president, he's bringing some great discussions to the table.
Republicans are still obsessed with restricting abortion services, cutting taxes and military spending. Bernie wants to actually invest in our future. He wants universal healthcare, reduced/free college tuition, grow the middle class.
He has captured young America because these are the issues that they are facing. The number of college graduates moving back home and living with their parents has tripled since the 80s. More and more jobs are moving overseas. Something needs to be done.
Not saying he's perfect, but I really like what he's saying.
Republicans are still obsessed with restricting abortion services, cutting taxes and military spending. Bernie wants to actually invest in our future. He wants universal healthcare, reduced/free college tuition, grow the middle class.
He has captured young America because these are the issues that they are facing. The number of college graduates moving back home and living with their parents has tripled since the 80s. More and more jobs are moving overseas. Something needs to be done.
Not saying he's perfect, but I really like what he's saying.
The Commish
Footballguy
I meant the people, not the government. I can't remember a time where parents were petitioning to shut down their schools.
squistion
Footballguy
You are a mind reader now? That was what I thought as I was watching the debate.
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Smack Tripper
Footballguy
You were posting all through the debate last night, and for this to be your big takeaway, it's strange that you didn't mention it once in the body of our discussion.
squistion
Footballguy
Actually I tried a post a tweet with a video link of Bernie saying "Excuse me, I talking" right after it happened but there was some problem with the formatting of the link with the new board (or probably my use of it) and I couldn't get it to take (was just a big blank space in the center of the post) and after a few minutes the debate and the discussion here had moved on to something else, so I gave up and continued with the flow of what was currently happening. But that didn't alter the fact I had a "Wow" reaction as I was watching it at the time and concluded post debate (as did many others) that it seemed significant and stood out among the other moments.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Zegras11
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Hilbots misreading this one. Here was Bernie being awesome.
About time Clinton learned some manners.
squistion
Footballguy
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/us/politics/who-won-the-debate.html?_r=0
Who Won the Debate? Hillary Clinton Is Given the Edge
By ALAN RAPPEPORTMARCH 7, 2016
Hillary Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont faced off in a
Democratic presidential debate in Flint, Mich., on Sunday night, and after finding some early agreement over the state’s mishandling of the water crisis there, the two clashed for the rest of the night on questions including campaign finance, gun control and the auto bailout.
Commentators and pundits shared the opinion that there were no campaign-altering moments, though Mr. Sanders, who was on the attack throughout, occasionally seemed to lose his cool and stumbled a bit when discussing race. Mrs. Clinton managed to stay on her game and stirred excitement by taking some shots at Donald J. Trump. In the end, Democrats were most satisfied that their candidates mustered more decorum than the Republicans.
“I think Hillary Clinton got the better of it tonight. Counterpunched better in key moments. Sanders better on God, fracking and closing statements.” — Dante Atkins, contributing editor to the liberal website Daily Kos
“Clinton came prepared to the CNN debate and more than held her own, preventing Sanders from the clear victory he needs to change the trajectory of the race ahead of Michigan’s primary on Tuesday.” — Alex Seitz-Wald, MSNBC political reporter
“Sanders had a mixed night. Excellent on the class stuff, very moving on what being Jewish meant to him. But a bit too testy at times.” — Jeet Heer, senior editor at The New Republic
“Can someone tell Bernie Sanders to be black in America isn’t limited to living in a ghetto or being poor? Racism hits middle-class blacks, too.” — Roland Martin, managing editor of NewsOne Now
“I mean, Bernie means well. But he hasn’t spent a lot of time talking with or to or about black people in about 40 years.” — Joel Anderson, BuzzFeed News reporter
“Bernie was just better at seeming like a human being. That’s one of Hillary’s biggest weaknesses.” — Caleb Howe, writer for the conservative website RedState
“Overriding theme from Democratic debate: Government is failing. We need more government.” — Stephen Hayes, senior writer for The Weekly Standard
“Democratic debate so far: guns, schools, health care, trade, infrastructure, transportation, welfare, racism. GOP debate last week: hand size.” — Andrea Bernstein, senior editor at WNYC
“Only our candidates offer the change our country desperately needs, while Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders offer more of the same.” — Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican National Committee
Who Won the Debate? Hillary Clinton Is Given the Edge
By ALAN RAPPEPORTMARCH 7, 2016
Hillary Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont faced off in a
Democratic presidential debate in Flint, Mich., on Sunday night, and after finding some early agreement over the state’s mishandling of the water crisis there, the two clashed for the rest of the night on questions including campaign finance, gun control and the auto bailout.
Commentators and pundits shared the opinion that there were no campaign-altering moments, though Mr. Sanders, who was on the attack throughout, occasionally seemed to lose his cool and stumbled a bit when discussing race. Mrs. Clinton managed to stay on her game and stirred excitement by taking some shots at Donald J. Trump. In the end, Democrats were most satisfied that their candidates mustered more decorum than the Republicans.
“I think Hillary Clinton got the better of it tonight. Counterpunched better in key moments. Sanders better on God, fracking and closing statements.” — Dante Atkins, contributing editor to the liberal website Daily Kos
“Clinton came prepared to the CNN debate and more than held her own, preventing Sanders from the clear victory he needs to change the trajectory of the race ahead of Michigan’s primary on Tuesday.” — Alex Seitz-Wald, MSNBC political reporter
“Sanders had a mixed night. Excellent on the class stuff, very moving on what being Jewish meant to him. But a bit too testy at times.” — Jeet Heer, senior editor at The New Republic
“Can someone tell Bernie Sanders to be black in America isn’t limited to living in a ghetto or being poor? Racism hits middle-class blacks, too.” — Roland Martin, managing editor of NewsOne Now
“I mean, Bernie means well. But he hasn’t spent a lot of time talking with or to or about black people in about 40 years.” — Joel Anderson, BuzzFeed News reporter
“Bernie was just better at seeming like a human being. That’s one of Hillary’s biggest weaknesses.” — Caleb Howe, writer for the conservative website RedState
“Overriding theme from Democratic debate: Government is failing. We need more government.” — Stephen Hayes, senior writer for The Weekly Standard
“Democratic debate so far: guns, schools, health care, trade, infrastructure, transportation, welfare, racism. GOP debate last week: hand size.” — Andrea Bernstein, senior editor at WNYC
“Only our candidates offer the change our country desperately needs, while Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders offer more of the same.” — Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican National Committee
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That just earns respect, or should. Hillary has been plying that talk over the opponent lawyer trick since Day 1.
timschochet
Footballguy
But Squistion, that online poll last night was overwhelming!
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
so the people (Times poll, Washington Post poll) say Sanders, the pundits say Clinton.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Watching the debate was good enough for me, I don't need a poll to know who did better. It was clearly Sanders. CNN can try to spin inconsequential stuff all they want, but when you're just looking at who delivered the better message, had the better ideas, was more believable, was more genuine, was more trustworthy, had the better character, and actually cares about the citizens of the U.S. - it was all Sanders. And it wasn't even close.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Took this from CNNs website. I find this whole "Bernie was rude" argument ridiculous with emphasis on the bolded:
"Excuse me, I'm talking," Sanders told Clinton as she attempted to interrupt his argument about the Wall Street and auto bailouts.
Correct the Record, an independent group that backs Clinton's campaign, emailed the clip to reporters, describing it as Sanders' "Rick Lazio moment."
That's a reference to former New York senate candidate Rick Lazio, then a Republican congressman, who in a 2000 debate with Clinton walked across the stage demanding she sign a campaign finance reform pledge. His entreaty was widely panned and considered by some observers to be an unseemly intrusion into Clinton's personal space.
Seriously? Sanders is trying to talk, Clinton rudely interrupts, and an "excuse me" is being considered "an unseemly intrusion into Clinton's personal space"?? And this is somehow dominating today's news cycle? Grow up Hillary supporters and stop looking for ways to bash Bernie. SMH. Oh, and if you back a particular campaign you're no longer impartial, so your actions are clearly biased.
"Excuse me, I'm talking," Sanders told Clinton as she attempted to interrupt his argument about the Wall Street and auto bailouts.
Correct the Record, an independent group that backs Clinton's campaign, emailed the clip to reporters, describing it as Sanders' "Rick Lazio moment."
That's a reference to former New York senate candidate Rick Lazio, then a Republican congressman, who in a 2000 debate with Clinton walked across the stage demanding she sign a campaign finance reform pledge. His entreaty was widely panned and considered by some observers to be an unseemly intrusion into Clinton's personal space.
Seriously? Sanders is trying to talk, Clinton rudely interrupts, and an "excuse me" is being considered "an unseemly intrusion into Clinton's personal space"?? And this is somehow dominating today's news cycle? Grow up Hillary supporters and stop looking for ways to bash Bernie. SMH. Oh, and if you back a particular campaign you're no longer impartial, so your actions are clearly biased.
Zegras11
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Nice sleuthing sherlock. That's the best quote of mine you can find that shows I'm a Sanders supporter? I don't even mention his name (or any candidate's) in that quote. Two cereal box detective badges for you! Anyway, I wasn't implying I'm objective - Bernie just put on another display of why I support him, as he's done consistently. He delivers the goods and the Clinton supporters and media shills revel in meaningless gotcha moments while their candidate gets schooled on policy again and again and again. Just further reinforcement that Sanders is the candidate of substance and Clinton is the candidate of meaningless superficialities and pandering. Snuggle up with that while your candidate shoves us all farther into a society that doesn't work for most of its participants.
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Rick James
Footballguy
I like Sanders but his comment about white people not knowing what it's like to be poor is a moronic statement.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Yeah, he screwed that up. Had he left that one sentence out, his statement there would have been on point. As it stands he mistakenly conflated economic station with the black experience in this country where he was only (supposed to be) trying to answer a question on race in the U.S. Not good. A real slip up.
the moops
Footballguy
Card Trader
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Certainly not on this forum. The Hillary thread was pretty much a Hillary hate fest months before the first debate began. Hillary has been a polarizing figure since the 90s and there were very few people going into the 2016 election without a strong opinion of her either way.
That said, in the real world, the debates did do a few things. Sanders was not that well known even among Democrats who were not political junkies so the debates introduced his ideas and positions to the general public, whatever impact that has had on those who were undecided.
Hillary's poll numbers had been in a steady decline prior to the first debate due to months of negative publicity about the emails and the first debate roughly marks a turn around of those numbers, although the Benghazi hearing happened about the same time, so it is hard to separate out if it was either, both, or some combination of the two.
The Commish
Footballguy
To be fair to Tim....for as racist and offensive as those comments were, they were confirmed on live TV on CNN during the coverage of the SC dem primary. It's been pretty well swept under the rug. No one here wants to talk about it. They'd still be talking about it if it were Fox or one of the GOP candidates.
