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Democrats And Education - Matt Taibbi (1 Viewer)

Please read what I said....


You said, "Of course there is a TON of stuff that's being included as CRT that isn't actual CRT and a lot of it SHOULD be taught in all schools, rural or not, but isn't because it's labeled "CRT".  "

I think he's asking you what parts you mean that SHOULD be taught in all schools. 

 
You said, "Of course there is a TON of stuff that's being included as CRT that isn't actual CRT and a lot of it SHOULD be taught in all schools, rural or not, but isn't because it's labeled "CRT".  "

I think he's asking you what parts you mean that SHOULD be taught in all schools. 
He asked me specifically of the 1619 project, of which I made no mention.  That's a completely different question than "what things do you feel are being left out because they are incorrectly labeled CRT".  I have a rather large list starting with red lining practices, Tulsa, how schools get funded, Juneteenth, failed promises of the federal government, etc.  I'd also want regional (maybe even state specific) events to be incorporated.  So, in my state things like the Ocoee massacre and the various eliminations of native tribes.  I guess Tulsa would fall under that umbrella too..  

 
He asked me specifically of the 1619 project, of which I made no mention.  That's a completely different question than "what things do you feel are being left out because they are incorrectly labeled CRT".  I have a rather large list starting with red lining practices, Tulsa, how schools get funded, Juneteenth, failed promises of the federal government, etc.  I'd also want regional (maybe even state specific) events to be incorporated.  So, in my state things like the Ocoee massacre and the various eliminations of native tribes.  I guess Tulsa would fall under that umbrella too..  
those are fair topics, all can be taught in February.  It’s not far enough for many though.  I would just tell them to get a book.

 
those are fair topics, all can be taught in February.  It’s not far enough for many though.  I would just tell them to get a book.
Well, in some places.....some places label that CRT and have essentially banned it (or at the very least made teachers afraid to push it).

 
No no no.  These topic must be limited to only February. Why? Because I guess that’s the only time we’re allowed to talk about the atrocities of our history.  
You'd think we'd want to spread out the atrocities throughout the year so we didn't seem so bad.  ;)  

 
I only need 28 days to be reminded how much we suck instead of a year 
That's your takeaway from black history month?  The feeling that it's all about how whites suck?  I'm sure you wouldn't say the same about Irish history or a German pride festival.

No wonder we have so many issues in this country.

 
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That's your takeaway from black history month?  The feeling that it's all about how whites suck?  I'm sure you wouldn't say the same about Irish history or a German pride festival.

No wonder we have so many issues in this country.
Lighten up, seriously.  Of course we can teach it all year.  It would make the most sense to teach it in the month that commentates them, no?

 
Lighten up, seriously.  Of course we can teach it all year.  It would make the most sense to teach it in the month that commentates them, no?


No - it would make more sense to teach history all year - and not just when it commemorates "them".

We have a Black History Month because the education system failed to account for the accomplishments of Black Americans for years.  If we were not so afraid to learn - there would not be a Black History month.

 
So we should do away with Black History Month?  OK.
I think it would be enormously awesome if we were able to get rid of Black History Month.  That'd mean we acknowledge the completeness of our country's history and wouldn't have to spend time/resources emphasizing the parts that get ignored.  All of it would just be "US History" and taught as such.  It's pretty sad that we are 150+ years into our country's existence and we have such an unbalanced and incomplete teaching of our history.

 
I think it would be enormously awesome if we were able to get rid of Black History Month.  That'd mean we acknowledge the completeness of our country's history and wouldn't have to spend time/resources emphasizing the parts that get ignored.  All of it would just be "US History" and taught as such.  It's pretty sad that we are 150+ years into our country's existence and we have such an unbalanced and incomplete teaching of our history.
The winning post.  100% agree.

 
No - it would make more sense to teach history all year - and not just when it commemorates "them".

We have a Black History Month because the education system failed to account for the accomplishments of Black Americans for years.  If we were not so afraid to learn - there would not be a Black History month.
Do you think we as a nation have come a long way with this?  Maybe there was a BHM when I was in school, can’t remember.  I do recall learning about the people and their accomplishments though.  I’m kind of a history guy, so it was always interesting to me.

 
I think it would be enormously awesome if we were able to get rid of Black History Month.  That'd mean we acknowledge the completeness of our country's history and wouldn't have to spend time/resources emphasizing the parts that get ignored.  All of it would just be "US History" and taught as such.  It's pretty sad that we are 150+ years into our country's existence and we have such an unbalanced and incomplete teaching of our history.
I agree.  But then we whites have to feel bad year round?  That seems to be the sentiment from some of the right of what's expected because black history is taught. 

 
Do you think we as a nation have come a long way with this?
Based on events of the recent past - I would say no.

I would say we continue to take baby steps, but we have reached a point in this country, where a large segment no longer want to continue to take those steps.

But, we are not alone - I think its more a humanity issue, than an "American" issue.

 
We have a Black History Month because the education system failed to account for the accomplishments of Black Americans for years.  If we were not so afraid to learn - there would not be a Black History month.
I agree with the second sentence here -- black history is an incredibly important part of just plain old American history.  It is not even remotely in the same category as "Irish history" or "German pride month."  Those are just relatively small immigrant groups who came here voluntarily and got to assimilate on their own.  Slavery and its consequences are wildly more impactful that that sort of stuff, and it should be woven into every US history curriculum from kindergarten on up in an age-appropriate way.  

But I always wonder about the educational background of people who say the first sentence.  Did your school not teach about this type of thing?  I'm 49.  I went to a public school in the southern part of the Midwest.  This was all front and center for us.

 
IMO the issue is not so much what gets taught but how it gets taught…all politics (and religion) need to be taken out of public schools…do that and the majority of these battles will go away.

 
I agree.  But then we whites have to feel bad year round?  That seems to be the sentiment from some of the right of what's expected because black history is taught. 
I've lived in the middle of that segment of the population my entire life.  At this point, I don't care about their feelings.  My patience is shot :shrug:  

I've seen it all from "they have their own month!!!!  Why isn't that good enough!!!!!" to "It's not what you say, it's how you say it" to people flat out rejecting that some of these events even happened.  It's always something.  The latest is "if we teach them our history it might make some kids feel bad about themselves".  

 
I agree with the second sentence here -- black history is an incredibly important part of just plain old American history.  It is not even remotely in the same category as "Irish history" or "German pride month."  Those are just relatively small immigrant groups who came here voluntarily and got to assimilate on their own.  Slavery and its consequences are wildly more impactful that that sort of stuff, and it should be woven into every US history curriculum from kindergarten on up in an age-appropriate way.  

But I always wonder about the educational background of people who say the first sentence.  Did your school not teach about this type of thing?  I'm 49.  I went to a public school in the southern part of the Midwest.  This was all front and center for us.
Grew up in Asheville NC...spent the entirety of my life in the Carolinas until I got married.  My school was the exception to the rule.  We learned about Tulsa.  We learned about Juneteenth etc.  Of course it was ONLY during Black History Month, but we learned it nonetheless.  Not only was it NOT front and center in school.  There were many areas that denied some of these events ever happened.  About as "deep" as they got in our history classes in February was MLK and "I Have a Dream" and Rosa Parks.  I think several areas would throw in the Tuskegee Airmen.  Same lessons...year after year.  I thought it was just around us that this sort of thing went on, but based on the threads in this forum, it was way more the rule than the exception.

 
Nikolai Vitti

Nikolai Vitti, superintendent of Detroit Public Schools Community District (DPSCD)

“Our curriculum is deeply using critical race theory, especially in social studies, but you’ll find it in English, language arts, and the other disciplines,” Vitti said on November 9.“We’re very intentional about creating a curriculum, infusing materials, and embedding critical race theory within our curriculum.”

 
IMO the issue is not so much what gets taught but how it gets taught…all politics (and religion) need to be taken out of public schools…do that and the majority of these battles will go away.
That seems impossible given that politics and religion are part of history.  Education is dominated by socially liberal people and there is no way to prevent their teaching from being influenced by their POV.  Even though I disagree with most of the current social liberals, I'm OK with them teaching from their POV.  Teachers aren't infallible.  I had plenty of bad ones.  

Even history books should be read with some skepticism.  Look at how much disagreement there is over events that have occurred within the last few years.  Is it reasonable to think that history books have accurately captured events and the motives behind them from hundreds of years ago?  Question everything and trust no one, I say.

 
Boston said:
IMO the issue is not so much what gets taught but how it gets taught…all politics (and religion) need to be taken out of public schools…do that and the majority of these battles will go away.
But these battles are what distracts the masses from important issues like spending over half our budget on war no matter if it's Republican or Democrat.  

 
Philo Beddoe said:
Nikolai Vitti

Nikolai Vitti, superintendent of Detroit Public Schools Community District (DPSCD)

“Our curriculum is deeply using critical race theory, especially in social studies, but you’ll find it in English, language arts, and the other disciplines,” Vitti said on November 9.“We’re very intentional about creating a curriculum, infusing materials, and embedding critical race theory within our curriculum.”
Detroit schools are 2:5 % white and 82% black.   
 

https://www.google.com/search?q=ethnic+makeup+of+detroit+schools+&client=safari&hl=en-us&ei=iiDxYYCuELOxytMP9rOWkAo&oq=ethnic+makeup+of+detroit+schools+&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgATIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKABOgcIABBHELADOgYIABAWEB46BQgAEIYDOgUIIRCrAjoFCAAQzQJKBAhBGABQwAtYljhgpUNoAXABeACAAYACiAGLC5IBBTAuOC4xmAEAoAEByAEIwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp

 
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Caveman33 said:
That seems impossible given that politics and religion are part of history.  Education is dominated by socially liberal people and there is no way to prevent their teaching from being influenced by their POV.  Even though I disagree with most of the current social liberals, I'm OK with them teaching from their POV.  Teachers aren't infallible.  I had plenty of bad ones.  

Even history books should be read with some skepticism.  Look at how much disagreement there is over events that have occurred within the last few years.  Is it reasonable to think that history books have accurately captured events and the motives behind them from hundreds of years ago?  Question everything and trust no one, I say.
History is written by the winners.

 

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