It seems you are truly blind and have to bring everything back to Trump. I'm fine with that but it saddens me you would not see what is going on and actually support it. Enjoy your life and try not to bump in to the furniture.
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Democrats block Senate CV Stimulus Package (1 Viewer)
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The General
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sho nuff
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There was a House bill...and a Senate version.
In reconciliation, some things are brought in from each bill.
And as pointed out...there is an economic function even to the NEA as well.
Its funny being called blind by people wanting to just claim one side held all this up (despite the mounds of evidence that it wasn't just one side).
And yes...there seems to be reasons to add some of it...and when I see the final details...I doubt I will be happy with several items from either side...much of what is in the extra $300 or so billion that I mentioned when doing the point by point breakdown we saw early on today.
But I agree in voting out those who created and supported the first two bills and very likely many that pushed for things in what we know so far of this bill.
BladeRunner
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No they don't. It's obvious they don't eat because they spend all of their time looking down on everybody else and lecturing them.
Those are the last group of people that need any help.
The General
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Some of the details on this oversight that was added to the 500 billion relief fund: Create special investigator general in Treasury Dept to oversee how monies are dealt out look for fraud, create an oversight board.
Those both seem reasonable no?
No way to spin that in a negative light!
Those both seem reasonable no?
No way to spin that in a negative light!
The General
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sho nuff
Footballguy
The only thing I brought up Trump on was the issue of him attempting to zero out their budget and I found it interesting their previous budgets matched this $150 million. Not sure if they ever got budgeted for FY2019 or FY 2020.
But that has nothing to do with being blind..and nothing I have posted has anything to do with what I do or don't support...nor is it needing such a personal comment and crap like you finished this post with. Why is it some of the conservative posters here can't have such conversations with out dropping that stuff in?
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Lutherman2112
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sho nuff
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Shows a complete lack of understanding or knowledge about the arts and artists.oh ok.
When we are talking about Americans dying and a bill be held up for pork you still feel the need to bring up Trump. I make a comment about you not bumping into furniture because your blind....and you bring up trump.
You simply continue to prove my point.
Enjoy your life and watch your toes. I'm done talking to you as it's not worth my time.
The General
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Work with our Canadian office all the time. Those ####ers are impossible to get mad at. Honestly.
Former Labor Secretary, Robert Reich:
"The new Senate coronavirus bill: — $500B for corporate bailouts (bad) — $367B for small business loans (good) — $130B for hospitals (good) — $1,200 per adult (not nearly enough) — $600/week in unemployment benefits for 4 months (good, but should go to every jobless American)"
"Infuriating that the new bill still includes a $500B slush fund for corporations. Every penny we have needs to go to Americans who need income support and health care, and to hospitals that need life-saving equipment. People are dying. Now is not the time for corporate welfare."
https://mobile.twitter.com/RBReich
"The new Senate coronavirus bill: — $500B for corporate bailouts (bad) — $367B for small business loans (good) — $130B for hospitals (good) — $1,200 per adult (not nearly enough) — $600/week in unemployment benefits for 4 months (good, but should go to every jobless American)"
"Infuriating that the new bill still includes a $500B slush fund for corporations. Every penny we have needs to go to Americans who need income support and health care, and to hospitals that need life-saving equipment. People are dying. Now is not the time for corporate welfare."
https://mobile.twitter.com/RBReich
sho nuff
Footballguy
A. I disagree with pork...it should not be in it. Its unclear if that is why it was being held up and the NEA on its own is not necessarily pork. That is part of the point.
B. The only mention of Trump was the discussion of the NEA budget that the administration tried to cut to zero. Again, found that interesting because the previous budget was about the same as the amount mentioned as possibly being in this bill. It was relevant in that aspect.
C. Nothing blind about me...and the only thing I am proving is that I am willing to talk about the facts rather than just assume something based on preconceived biases...as you have when you, quite literally, blindly make claims about what was holding things up without actually knowing.
HTH.
sho nuff
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The Commish
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It does need to be remembered. So do the corporate tax cuts and cuts for the wealthy. Compare them and see which was the larger drag on the economy long term and act accordingly.
-OZ-
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The Commish
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OrtonToOlsen
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The Commish
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Well yeah....that's the problem many of us have been pissing and moaning about. I am unaware of a "side" here who shouldn't be on the phone complaining to their reps about their actions in all this.
The Commish
Footballguy
Wait....the oversiteless $500 billion is back in the bill? This alone makes it an epic fail. Totally unacceptable.
The Commish
Footballguy
That works for me. Just so happens that everyone, including my rep in state are all GOPers
I've bagged on the "vote the ticket" option on ballots for years, but now I see the usefulness. All I have to work through now are our local initiatives and local reps.
mcintyre1
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No, there is oversight in the proposed bill, I was just poking a bit of fun by calling it the corporate slush fund. Warren (reportedly) did a good job fighting for independent congressional and inspector general oversight of that money.
The complaint Bernie (and others like me) have is that more money is being set aside from corporations than for individuals. Canada, for example, is reportedly giving $2000 a month for the next four months, while our multi-trillion dollar bailout only has a single one time payment of less money.
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sho nuff
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Rick Scott also objects to $600 per week extra unemployment benefits. In Florida, the max weekly unemployment is $275, one of the lowest in the country.
The Commish
Footballguy
Gotcha...thanks for the clarification. No idea why our large corporations are getting anything honestly....minus the airlines maybe. SSDD I guess
The General
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Who knew doling out 2 trillion dollars could be so complicated?
The Commish
Footballguy
Yeah, it's brutal here as you know and the people here are going to be some of the hardest hit in the entire country because of the closings. Scott knows that being a former governor and he still holds this belief...unbelievable.
Sheriff Bart
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The General
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Did they get the language about no corporate stock buy backs with this money that Trump was so adamant about?
The General
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Long Ball Larry
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The General
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I think the more relevant issue would be they don’t have a zillion dollar defense budget.
parasaurolophus
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Is the bold true?
How did a bill get this far that gives massive raises out for not working?
Can you imagine being the guy that still has to work for 12 bucks an hour and the schmuck that was always on his phone that got laid off is now getting paid more than you to look at his phone?
I am shocked the democrats would even want this. As soon as the people that get stuck working realize this, they will be furious and I imagine they are pretty close to 50/50 democrat vs GOP.
Why would they do this instead of guaranteeing current pay for x number of weeks and extending the UI window???
timschochet
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I’m not critical of the specifics of the bill, like some here but I fear it’s too early. We don’t know what we’re dealing with yet or how long this will last. We’re sending money to people who can’t spend it.
tommyGunZ
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It's surprising to see conservatives arguing that a $2T spending bill being fast tracked and passed in 3-4 day is somehow irresponsibly slow.
When they want their socialism, they want it big, hard, and fast.
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The General
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It is an issue that someone would take a decrease in income when returning to work at the same job.
The General
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As far as I can tell from the replies I got in here the concern was 100 million going to various art programs. I may have missed some responses.
BladeRunner
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John Blutarsky
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It’s what he does.I have no idea what this means or what you are trying to get at.
Well, you are in luck. We can address it again when the Senate is back in session this summer.
It's true. If it passes I will demand a layoff. Now Bernie is saying if any changes are made he will hold up the bill.
Oh no, laid off people will get paid 31,200 a year for 4 months? Really living in the lap of luxury here, lobster and caviar as far as the eye can see. The anger should be at the ridiculously low minimum wage that puts individuals significantly below that amount, because 31,200 is as close to the floor of a workable universal basic income as you can get.
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NutterButter
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Man, NJ already gives out a generous 713 per week max. Throw in another 600 and suspend my mortgage payments. And its spring time. Tempting.
Thunderlips
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In light of Sasse, Scott, Scot and Grahams complaints……. shouldn't the title of this thread be changed?
beef
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NutterButter
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I briefly heard about that and since it was coming from Trump's mouth, I knew it was probably a lie so I didn't bother to look into it. What was he blaming Obama for now?
