Denarius Moore - CIncinnatti Bengals (2 Viewers)

[az_prof]

In general, I think Moore is going to be the example where you go with the talent, and not the situation. Because situations change. The Raiders situation might not be as bad as people were thinking. This team scores points. Campbell has been a calm game manager since the preseason. He looks light years better. He is not a good deep passer, but he can get it to Denarius on the move, and with that running game, he will get some clean deep looks. Man, wait till Ford is healthy.

And eventhough the situation was not ideal, he did have Opportunity because there was no established star receiver. He looks the real deal. I still think he will have up and down games this year, but long term, he looks like a star to me.

 

[damageinc]

He will have up and down games but he will be a good reciever and solid. I think people go nutz after one good performance (look at the torrey Smith threads saying hes the best WR in the NFL, gets ridiculous) but Moore will be a very solid WR for the raiders and a #2 or #3 Wr for fantasy depending on who they play on a given week.

 

[Gopher State]

He will have up and down games but he will be a good reciever and solid. I think people go nutz after one good performance (look at the torrey Smith threads saying hes the best WR in the NFL, gets ridiculous) but Moore will be a very solid WR for the raiders and a #2 or #3 Wr for fantasy depending on who they play on a given week.

 

[De Novo]

I think the big takeaway from this game is the maturation of Jason Campbell.

Keep in mind, I believe this is the first time Jason Campbell has been in the same offense in back-to-back years.

 

[DoubleG]

Don't you hate it when people sayI TOLD YA

Not really seeing this, unless you predicted he would have a rushing TD. People who recommended sitting him this week said that the Jets D would be a bad matchup for him. He had 4 catches for 34 yards. The logic for sitting him was sound, and he'll certainly be worth starting moving forward.

4 for 34, even with the rushing TD is hardly a "huge week" - and certainly a far cry for 114 receiving yards you were quoting as a "definitine possibility".

 

[RamMan]

D-Smooth is a playmaker, pure and simple. They don't come around very often and OAK will find ways to put the ball in his hands going forward. Many were precicitng he'd be come up empty today vs the vaunted NYJ D. Teams find ways to put the ball in the hands of their playmakers and OAK did just that today, regardless if it was a pass or an end around. Moore passes the eye test for anyone who is watching and he will be a factor going forward - this season and seasons to come. Take it to the bank....

 

[Raiderfan32904]

MORE MOORE YIELDS MORE RESULTS

Jackson promised more playing time for Moore on the heels of his five-catch, 146-yard performance against the Bills on Sept. 18.

Sure enough, Jackson called Moore’s number on the second and third plays of the game. The first play netted 13 yards, the second 25 as a result of a pass interference penalty.

Moore remained a focal point of the offense the rest of the game. He finished with four receptions for 34 yards and turned the back end of a double reverse into a tiebreaking touchdown run late in the third quarter.

“Same thing I saw in training camp,” Campbell said. “Now we’re just seeing it on Sundays. He’s a guy that’s always been making plays and his opportunity, but he’s the same guy. It’s no surprise to us. To the outside world, it is, but we got a chance to see it first-hand in training camp, making plays and being as quick as he is.”

Moore also replaced Nick Miller on punt returns for the first time. He averaged only 5 yards on his three returns. More important, he fielded the ball cleanly and didn’t do anything to hurt his team.

“Give it to 17, Denarius Moore,” Jackson said. “Let your players make plays. That’s what I’m trying to create here. I’m going to create an environment where our great players can do something special. … (Moore) is becoming a really, really fine football player.”

My link

 

[mr roboto]

Anyone who saw the OAK-NYJ game see how he looked if/when he was guarded by Revis?

I know his receiving stats weren't eye-popping, but 2 PI calls are really nice, something that Moss and TO and Nicks draw often. Were any of those vs. Revis?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Anyone who saw the OAK-NYJ game see how he looked if/when he was guarded by Revis?I know his receiving stats weren't eye-popping, but 2 PI calls are really nice, something that Moss and TO and Nicks draw often. Were any of those vs. Revis?

Revis was on DHB all game, from what I saw. Cro was on Moore, and he drew 4 PI flags. Bad day all around for Cro.

 

[RavenLunatic]

With Britt going down I am going to need him!!!

Next week he should explode the way NE gives away yards in the air.

 

[Topes]

He goes into my starting lineup at this point.

Largely because of what he's shown. Also because the rest of my starters are underwhelming.

 

[njherdfan]

Anyone who saw the OAK-NYJ game see how he looked if/when he was guarded by Revis?I know his receiving stats weren't eye-popping, but 2 PI calls are really nice, something that Moss and TO and Nicks draw often. Were any of those vs. Revis?

Revis was on DHB all game, from what I saw. Cro was on Moore, and he drew 4 PI flags. Bad day all around for Cro.

Yeah, Revis and Moore didn't match up at all.

 

[Sinn Fein]

He goes into my starting lineup at this point. Largely because of what he's shown. Also because the rest of my starters are underwhelming.

I started him this week with Colston and Austin out. When everyone is healthy, I'll likely play match-ups on a weekly basis. Marshall and Austin are my presumptive starters, but I think Moore will be in the discussion on a weekly basis.

 

[Cenobite]

He will have up and down games but he will be a good reciever and solid. I think people go nutz after one good performance (look at the torrey Smith threads saying hes the best WR in the NFL, gets ridiculous) but Moore will be a very solid WR for the raiders and a #2 or #3 Wr for fantasy depending on who they play on a given week.

Huh? How can he have a up and down games and still be a "solid" receiver? I don't get that at all. In order to be considered "solid", DM must have a high floor. Right now, I don't what his floor is. As it stands, I view DM as a high risk/reward player. My opinion is based on the QB play, offensive commitment to the run, and the multitude of receivers that see the field. Can he emerge as a legit every week starter? Sure. I just don't think we've seen enough to make that conclusion at this point.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Moore will be a top 25 option this week at home vs NE. Pats giving up passing yards by the boatload, Oak will clearly have to score to keep up, and DMC may (or may not) be limited with a groin.

Beast mode.

 

[massraider]

Huh? How can he have a up and down games and still be a "solid" receiver? I don't get that at all. In order to be considered "solid", DM must have a high floor. Right now, I don't what his floor is. As it stands, I view DM as a high risk/reward player. My opinion is based on the QB play, offensive commitment to the run, and the multitude of receivers that see the field. Can he emerge as a legit every week starter? Sure. I just don't think we've seen enough to make that conclusion at this point.

Maybe. But he's not far off of that designation. 'Solid receiver' is kind of vague. If we are talking about a top 36, start-him-every-week guy, I am not sure he is too far off that. And top 36 WRs have up and down weeks. They just do. I am not sure the 'multitude of receivers' argument can hang around much longer. They were missing Jacoby Ford, but Lou Murphy isn't taking any looks away from Moore. DHB returned, and Denarius got thrown to two of the first three plays of the game. Which is weird, because we were assured by various experts on Al Davis this past week that Moore would lose some PT to DHB. Didn't happen. Moore is their best WR, I am guessing he turns out better than Ford. Teams play they best WR. Even the Raiders.

 

[Jayrod]

Moore will be a top 25 option this week at home vs NE. Pats giving up passing yards by the boatload, Oak will clearly have to score to keep up, and DMC may (or may not) be limited with a groin.Beast mode.

Just looked at that.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

To the extent that he keeps being used as a punt returner, I have to imagine a punt return TD isnt out of the question at some point this year given his speed.

 

[Jayrod]

To the extent that he keeps being used as a punt returner, I have to imagine a punt return TD isnt out of the question at some point this year given his speed.

Or just a few more points for those of us in return yardage leagues....

 

[Dought Man]

When Ford comes back there will not be enough room at the inn.... Raiders WR situation too muddy to start any of these guys, other than bye week fill ins.

 

[Jayrod]

When Ford comes back there will not be enough room at the inn.... Raiders WR situation too muddy to start any of these guys, other than bye week fill ins.

 

[Cenobite]

When Ford comes back there will not be enough room at the inn.... Raiders WR situation too muddy to start any of these guys, other than bye week fill ins.

I don't know if that is as crazy as people believing DM could be a high end WR3. Too early to tell. Right now I don't see him as an every week starter. I hope my opinion changes but I wouldn't be suprised if it didn't. The talent seems to be there so I'm interested to see how this plays out.

 

[DoubleG]

When Ford comes back there will not be enough room at the inn.... Raiders WR situation too muddy to start any of these guys, other than bye week fill ins.

It's okay dude, alot of people didn't snag Moore or cut him to soon. Don't feel bad there bro. Chin up and all that.

 

[killrobotkill]

When Ford comes back there will not be enough room at the inn.... Raiders WR situation too muddy to start any of these guys, other than bye week fill ins.

I don't know if that is as crazy as people believing DM could be a high end WR3. Too early to tell. Right now I don't see him as an every week starter. I hope my opinion changes but I wouldn't be suprised if it didn't. The talent seems to be there so I'm interested to see how this plays out.

I'm not sure about an every week starter either, but he's definitely starting for me against New England for Week 4. I'm expecting big things.

 

[Jayrod]

And the best part about this kid's situation is that teams HAVE to key on McFadden. They simply cannot dedicate a lot of practice time and game planning to stopping Moore.

Plus it looks like Hue Jackson is committed to being creative with him.

 

[ThePittbully]

I think he and Ford will make each other better, Raiders have a great WR duo on their hands if Ford can ever get back on the field

 

[Dought Man]

anyone know how many snaps Moore was in for yesterday?

 

[Topes]

Huh? How can he have a up and down games and still be a "solid" receiver? I don't get that at all. In order to be considered "solid", DM must have a high floor. Right now, I don't what his floor is.

No receiver has a truly high floor. Even the guys folks say have a high floor don't really have a high floor. Even Calvin Johnson puts up a stinker here or there. It happens.

 

[DoubleG]

Huh? How can he have a up and down games and still be a "solid" receiver? I don't get that at all. In order to be considered "solid", DM must have a high floor. Right now, I don't what his floor is.

No receiver has a truly high floor. Even the guys folks say have a high floor don't really have a high floor. Even Calvin Johnson puts up a stinker here or there. It happens.

And that "it" is often named "Revis".

 

[Cenobite]

Huh? How can he have a up and down games and still be a "solid" receiver? I don't get that at all. In order to be considered "solid", DM must have a high floor. Right now, I don't what his floor is.

No receiver has a truly high floor. Even the guys folks say have a high floor don't really have a high floor. Even Calvin Johnson puts up a stinker here or there. It happens.

Hey, I hope you're right. I just don't see it... now. Sure top point getters lay an egg every know and then. However, if that happens every other week it can doom your squad. I'm on the DM train - it's a local not a hype train. Those that have him probably took him late, from waivers, or at a reduced auction price (cost me $2) so they can use that wait and see approach. A good player does not necessarily make a good ff player and that is my concern.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Huh? How can he have a up and down games and still be a "solid" receiver? I don't get that at all. In order to be considered "solid", DM must have a high floor. Right now, I don't what his floor is.

No receiver has a truly high floor. Even the guys folks say have a high floor don't really have a high floor. Even Calvin Johnson puts up a stinker here or there. It happens.

And that "it" is often named "Revis".

Let’s not get too ahead of ourselves here. He beat Cro, and not Revis. Cro came into the game talking about how bad the Raiders wanted him in that wild preseason FA period. That he chose the Jets because he thought they were closer to being in a Super Bowl than the Raiders. It’s funny he brings all that up during Raiders week. D. Moore made him eat his words, and made him look silly. Cro eating crow, get it? Now that’s two straight good CB’s that Moore’s made a mockery of. McKelvin and Cromartie.

 

[Apple Jack]

A great WR is inherently a threat to be double-covered/get Revis/get the focus of a DC's game-plan/etc. That's not unique to any one WR. They're all vulnerable to that. With the possible exception of Andre Johnson. So that makes that "high floor" talk kink of inappropriate for WRs. Any receiver can be shut down by a game-plan targeting them, if the team is willing to sacrifice other areas. It doesn't really speak to the talents of a receiver.

 

[Dought Man]

When was the last time a Raider WR was a viable every week fantasy starter for a season? Its going to be hard for D Moore... these splash plays will come every so often, but will be too inconsistent.

 

[Apple Jack]

Huh? How can he have a up and down games and still be a "solid" receiver? I don't get that at all. In order to be considered "solid", DM must have a high floor. Right now, I don't what his floor is.

No receiver has a truly high floor. Even the guys folks say have a high floor don't really have a high floor. Even Calvin Johnson puts up a stinker here or there. It happens.

And that "it" is often named "Revis".

Let’s not get too ahead of ourselves here. He beat Cro, and not Revis. Cro came into the game talking about how bad the Raiders wanted him in that wild preseason FA period. That he chose the Jets because he thought they were closer to being in a Super Bowl than the Raiders. It’s funny he brings all that up during Raiders week. D. Moore made him eat his words, and made him look silly. Cro eating crow, get it? Now that’s two straight good CB’s that Moore’s made a mockery of. McKelvin and Cromartie.

Revis was on him plenty in that game.

 

[Sinn Fein]

In my league Moore is the number 15 WR, despite no stats for week 1. He scored 11.7 yesterday. There are only 3 WRs who have scored more than 11.7 all three weeks:

Calvin Johnson

Andre Johnson

Steve Johnson

Welker - 8.1 week 2

Wallace - 10.7 wk 1

S. Smith - 1.5 wk 3

V. Jackson - 3.1 wk 1, and 6.4 wk 3

Fitzgerald - 6.2 wk 1

R. White - 6.1 wk 1, and 8.3 wk 2

So you can be a #1 WR and have off games depending on the match-up.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Huh? How can he have a up and down games and still be a "solid" receiver? I don't get that at all. In order to be considered "solid", DM must have a high floor. Right now, I don't what his floor is.

No receiver has a truly high floor. Even the guys folks say have a high floor don't really have a high floor. Even Calvin Johnson puts up a stinker here or there. It happens.

And that "it" is often named "Revis".

Let’s not get too ahead of ourselves here. He beat Cro, and not Revis. Cro came into the game talking about how bad the Raiders wanted him in that wild preseason FA period. That he chose the Jets because he thought they were closer to being in a Super Bowl than the Raiders. It’s funny he brings all that up during Raiders week. D. Moore made him eat his words, and made him look silly. Cro eating crow, get it? Now that’s two straight good CB’s that Moore’s made a mockery of. McKelvin and Cromartie.

Revis was on him plenty in that game.

Not what I saw. Revis mostly covered DHB.

 

[Apple Jack]

Huh? How can he have a up and down games and still be a "solid" receiver? I don't get that at all. In order to be considered "solid", DM must have a high floor. Right now, I don't what his floor is.

No receiver has a truly high floor. Even the guys folks say have a high floor don't really have a high floor. Even Calvin Johnson puts up a stinker here or there. It happens.

And that "it" is often named "Revis".

Let’s not get too ahead of ourselves here. He beat Cro, and not Revis. Cro came into the game talking about how bad the Raiders wanted him in that wild preseason FA period. That he chose the Jets because he thought they were closer to being in a Super Bowl than the Raiders. It’s funny he brings all that up during Raiders week. D. Moore made him eat his words, and made him look silly. Cro eating crow, get it? Now that’s two straight good CB’s that Moore’s made a mockery of. McKelvin and Cromartie.

Revis was on him plenty in that game.

Not what I saw. Revis mostly covered DHB.

You're right. I'm thinking of Dez. My bad. Consequence of doing three things at once.But I'd be willing to bet he'll get Revis the next time they play. This kid is special.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

When was the last time a Raider WR was a viable every week fantasy starter for a season? Its going to be hard for D Moore... these splash plays will come every so often, but will be too inconsistent.

Please tell us why? With the Raiders monster run game, there is no way to commit to stopping these "splash plays". And "splash plays" aren't an inconsistent phenomenom for the top tier wideouts, are they? Whose to say Moore isn't top tier? You pretty much figure that the Fitzgeralds and Calvin Johnson are going to make plays, right. Nothing inconsistent about their talent. Why would you doubt Moore's talent? Give us a specific reason besides, "it's the Raiders, c'mon!", or "he's a 5th rounder, Christ!", or "Ford's coming back soon, and he'll find the bench behind DHB". Those are lame and nothing to do with the truth. The truth is apparent, and coach Hue Jackson LOVES this kid. I mean Smooth. Al Davis loves him too, or else he wouldn't be featured on 2 of the first 3 plays yesterday. This kid is going to be a fixture in the gameplan as key weapon, and you'll look back on the doubting comments on Moore in this thread and feel silly to have thought them.

 

[Apple Jack]

Moore's lack of size liability is countered by his vertical leap and hands. The biggest concern is Campbell, but with his speed, leap and hands, I think some of that is reduced. He's going to be a lot of fun to watch. Wouldn't be at all surprised to find him a top 15 or 20 by the end of the season, especially considering how well the running game is going.

 

[The Doctor]

Slammed...

 

[cubbie5150]

Campbell is definitely a concern, but a stud (if he truly is a stud, that is) WR can make him look better. Just re-watch that 50 yard TD in week 2. If a great QB can make his WRs better, why can't the reverse also happen?

 

[towney]

What impact will Ford have when he returns in Wk 4? Roto is saying Ford will lead OAK WR from Wk 4 and on.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

In my league Moore is the number 15 WR, despite no stats for week 1. He scored 11.7 yesterday. There are only 3 WRs who have scored more than 11.7 all three weeks:Calvin JohnsonAndre JohnsonSteve JohnsonWelker - 8.1 week 2Wallace - 10.7 wk 1S. Smith - 1.5 wk 3V. Jackson - 3.1 wk 1, and 6.4 wk 3Fitzgerald - 6.2 wk 1R. White - 6.1 wk 1, and 8.3 wk 2 So you can be a #1 WR and have off games depending on the match-up.

Greg Jennings?

 

[Young 8]

What impact will Ford have when he returns in Wk 4? Roto is saying Ford will lead OAK WR from Wk 4 and on.

I have no idea but for some unknown reason everyone is acting like Ford is the reincarnation of Prime Jerry Rice instead of a midget with 492 rec yds in 17 games

 

[Cenobite]

Campbell is definitely a concern, but a stud (if he truly is a stud, that is) WR can make him look better. Just re-watch that 50 yard TD in week 2. If a great QB can make his WRs better, why can't the reverse also happen?

Stud WRs will make their QB look better. Look what Calvin did for Hill last year. Heck, Moss made Culpepper look good for a while. On both those teams the receiver was the best player on the team. In Oak. DMac is and the team is committed to the run. The thing is, I think we need to wait a bit more to find out how DM will be used. Sure, plays will be designed for him but I want to see if the Raiders go into a game featuring him as the player the other team has to contain. Consistent opportunities are what separate elite FF point getters. I doubt DM is on waivers so posters here are owners and, as expected, are pretty much in his corner. I get that. What I don't get is the need to declare him anything other than a good play this week based on the match-up.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

What impact will Ford have when he returns in Wk 4? Roto is saying Ford will lead OAK WR from Wk 4 and on.

I have no idea but for some unknown reason everyone is acting like Ford is the reincarnation of Prime Jerry Rice instead of a midget with 492 rec yds in 17 games

Have you watched Ford's big games last year? He does exactly what everyone is drooling over Moore doing in here, skills-wise, but he's faster.

 

[Eastwood]

Raiders | Hue Jackson promises more plays for Denarius Moore

Mon, 26 Sep 2011 05:53:24 -0700

Oakland Raiders head coach Hue Jackson said he will continue to scheme more plays for WR Denarius Moore as Moore continues to impress in his rookie season. Moore finished with four receptions for 34 yards and turned the back end of a double reverse into a touchdown in Week 3. "Give it to 17, Denarius Moore," Jackson said. "Let your players make plays. That's what I'm trying to create here. I'm going to create an environment where our great players can do something special ... (Moore) is becoming a really, really fine football player."

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=2#ixzz1Z5kS0dDG

Nothing is better for a FF player than a coach who can't shut up about how much he loves him. And Jackson means it. Even with all this hype, he's still undervalued in a dynasty. He's also making Ford a great buy low right now IMO.

 

[cvnpoka]

Campbell is definitely a concern, but a stud (if he truly is a stud, that is) WR can make him look better. Just re-watch that 50 yard TD in week 2. If a great QB can make his WRs better, why can't the reverse also happen?

i would be more optimistic about campbell now, than ever before. he has played well this year, it seems to me. that floater touch pass running to his left was really slick.

 

[damageinc]

I said it a few times. Last year at this time these threads were about Ford. Go back and look. "Ford is a special Talent". "HEs a Stud". etc etc. ANd you cant say he has 492 yards in 17 games. he was not a starter or playing WR until week 10. and he blew up when he played that game. He also has these 30-50 yard reverses for TD's like Moore. Ford is what 5-8 and Moore 6 feet. there both around the same size. I think moore is really a great WR but Ford is just as good . If I had to take one I would take Ford before I took Moore. Again love moore and think he will have some blowup weeks but the folks here need to read the Ben Tate threads (hes the #1 RB) and the Lance Kendrickson threads (He will be a top 3 TE) before we start claiming a guy is a top 15-20 WR . And now it seems that Torrey Smith is the best WR in the NFL. Guess Moore is yesterdays news.

What impact will Ford have when he returns in Wk 4? Roto is saying Ford will lead OAK WR from Wk 4 and on.

I have no idea but for some unknown reason everyone is acting like Ford is the reincarnation of Prime Jerry Rice instead of a midget with 492 rec yds in 17 games

Have you watched Ford's big games last year? He does exactly what everyone is drooling over Moore doing in here, skills-wise, but he's faster.

 

[Cenobite]

I said it a few times. Last year at this time these threads were about Ford. Go back and look. "Ford is a special Talent". "HEs a Stud". etc etc. ANd you cant say he has 492 yards in 17 games. he was not a starter or playing WR until week 10. and he blew up when he played that game. He also has these 30-50 yard reverses for TD's like Moore. Ford is what 5-8 and Moore 6 feet. there both around the same size. I think moore is really a great WR but Ford is just as good . If I had to take one I would take Ford before I took Moore. Again love moore and think he will have some blowup weeks but the folks here need to read the Ben Tate threads (hes the #1 RB) and the Lance Kendrickson threads (He will be a top 3 TE) before we start claiming a guy is a top 15-20 WR . And now it seems that Torrey Smith is the best WR in the NFL. Guess Moore is yesterdays news.

Damn, that's harsh. At least you didn't say that Ingram won't be in the HOF.