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Denarius Moore - CIncinnatti Bengals (4 Viewers)
- Thread starter Raiderfan32904
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DoubleG
Footballguy
Since many of the posters in this thread play in dynasty leagues, I think "clinging to the most talented WR on the roster by most people's assesment" might be more accurate. HTH.
massraider
Footballguy
Sorry, just read this nonsense.Read my stuff. I said, repeatedly, in this thread that I thought he was a keeper/dynasty play, not redraft. Repeatedly. Really sorry if anyone read my posts, picked up a rookie off the waiver wire in week 2, and started him immediately.
I didn't tell anyone to do that, and when they come stomping in here, wondering why the rookie Raider WR isn't putting up consistent numbers ( 
), I don't feel the need to respond. I love the kid, and think he is going to be the best WR they have. Better than DHB, that I think has had to fight and struggle and work just to be competent. Moore always should have been a long term play. If you were giving him 2 weeks to earn a spot, you shouldn't have picked him up in the first place.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Hey, you quoted me first, buddy.
I clearly said I'm in a keeper league and I was responding to the guy above me who mentioned he's in a keeper as well. Anyway, I'm not maligning DHB's past - I'm just stating facts. His previous 2+ years have been horrid and 3 games doesn't make me a believer. He has a history of "bad hands" which is usually an uphill battle to correct. Nothing against DHB - I just need to see a bit more before I'll have faith that he's gonna hold on to a starting WR position for the long term.As for comparing rookie stats - DHB started from day one, I believe. Moore didn't. I'm heading out the door so I don't have the time to fix your stats but I'm pretty sure Moore's on pace for a decent rookie year if you factor in games started. And it could get better with Carson at the helm. That's all I'm saying. It might not change a thing, either. But Moore's got the talent and if he can get the passes thrown his way it'll get very interesting.
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hoss, i think i have been pretty clear that i dont gaf about dynasty or long term. in the next few weeks esp, and even for the rest of the season, i think dhb is the better option than moore. i am relying on the play from this season to arrive at that conclusion.
and this little exchange was derived from me responding to glumpy, advising him to keep manningham or dhb in lieu of moore. i reread his posts and again did not discern that he was in a keeper/dynasty league.
and this little exchange was derived from me responding to glumpy, advising him to keep manningham or dhb in lieu of moore. i reread his posts and again did not discern that he was in a keeper/dynasty league.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
No worries. We can discuss both redraft and keeper in the same thread. It's all good. I still am not sold on DHB this year, either. Yet.
Dought Man
Footballguy
Oh, ok...so the 23 pages have been about a "dynasty stash"... nothing more. I imagine the tune will change again if D Moore has another good game this year.
massraider
Footballguy
No one said the entire thread was about a dynasty stash. You just did, to make your 'point'. Well done.
duaneok66
Footballguy
raider is right, he did say to temper expectations . . .-----------------it was countless other people revving up the hype train . . .Sorry, just read this nonsense.Read my stuff. I said, repeatedly, in this thread that I thought he was a keeper/dynasty play, not redraft. Repeatedly. Really sorry if anyone read my posts, picked up a rookie off the waiver wire in week 2, and started him immediately.
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JMJ
Footballguy
Not a D.Moore bump. Was just hoping someone could tell me what site you can use to get this type of info. Even a site that shows how many snaps each player played would be great, but the route running site would even be a step up from that.Thanks in advance.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
what do you mean? he got as many targets as DHB got catches
duaneok66
Footballguy
my bad . . .
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
oohf!
I guess will have to wait to see if he has any value when Palmer gets up and running but as of now there must be several WW options with that same uncertain upside.
I guess will have to wait to see if he has any value when Palmer gets up and running but as of now there must be several WW options with that same uncertain upside.
Dought Man
Footballguy
Mr Consistency !!
The Dynasty stash...killing em. They are clearly rolling coverage to him.. thats why he isn't producing.
The Dynasty stash...killing em. They are clearly rolling coverage to him.. thats why he isn't producing.
GridironMenace
Footballguy
Seriously, this thread needs to die. 23 pages on such a worthless receiver is ridiculous. Moore is an okay dynasty stash and that's it. He is complete waiver wire fodder in all redraft leagues.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Way to bump it 20 hours after the last post.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Let's just keep the thead alive since it seems to really annoy folks.
duaneok66
Footballguy
the latter - he has to save face now.
Dought Man
Footballguy
You guys who are poo pooing Moore need to watch the tape. Moore has 2 and sometimes up to 5 defenders stalking him...leaving the field open for everyone else. He is so explosive, no one wants him to touch the ball. Not even the OAK QB's. They are afraid of what may happen.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I hear Al Davis' ghost is even blocking for Moore
spodog
Footballguy
Good idea.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
bump'spodog said:
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Tell ya what. Why don't you start your own 23 page annoying thread that none of us are required to respond to?YWIA
SlevinKelevra
Footballguy
Don't knowHe looked awful Sunday against the Chiefs'Dought Man said:
Dought Man
Footballguy
Raiderfan...have you changed your early season view of DHB's role in the offense? Or do you still think Moore is the man?
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Very reluctantly I have come around to DHB. He's definitely here to stay as a main component of the offense. I really didn't think that he had that in him. Still not putting DHB up there with other team's number one wideouts, regardless of the stats. As a Raider fan, I am very happy to see DHB's breakout in season 3. I'd never have predicted it, but even it sinks my fantasy teams, I'm cheering it on.I think Moore is going through some growing pains right now. The transition from the college season may be a factor. He's already played in 4 preseason plus 7 regular season games, which is the equivalent of end of year college schedule. I think the bye week is just what he needs to get the batteries recharged. I think Palmer needs to work hard to get ramped up and not thrown into a game down by 3 scores and only 10% of the playbook. I like Moore to rebound later this year, but maybe not as gaudy stats as the 3 earlier games. DHB is too big a factor and he's not going away. Moore is probably available for free on the waiver wire, and it might be a good idea to pick him up before week 9 on the down low. Right now, no one is really paying much attention to him, and with good reason. He's done squat for some time. I still believe in his superior ball catching skills and playmaking ability. As long as he's healthy, he just needs to incorporated in the game plan and he could be producing some nice fantasy numbers.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Yep and I'll tell you what I am hoping for out of Moore. A parrallel to Mike Wallace. So far he is not doing bad considering the serious handicap he has at QB so far. Same size, Wallace a little faster.
Lester Long
Footballguy
Dought Man
Footballguy
Going back and reading this thread over again is almost as good as the PTTS thread from way back.
duaneok66
Footballguy
provides more laughs than a sitcom.
There are a couple of HUGE reasons why Moore is unlikely to parallel Wallace.1-QB; Roethlisberger is a much better QB than Campbell was, and then Palmer is, unless somehow, Palmer is able to return to his form of 2007.
2-WR competition; Wallace benefited from coming to Pittsburgh right before Holmes was traded away and Ward nearing the end of his career. There was a WR1 role to be filled, and Wallace slipped right into it; there was little competition. Moore has A LOT of competition at WR: DHB, Ford, Murphy, Schilens, etc.
That's not to say that Moore won't be a good (or even great) WR, but to expect it to happen in year 2 might be un-realistic.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
None of those wideouts is a #1. If Moore is good, he'll pass those guys. It isn't like he's got to overcome Andre Johnson or Greg Jennings. We're talking about a whole slew of "never-quite" type of dudes there. Talent will rise. Whether he's got the most talent is still up for debate.
I was responding to another poster who hoped Moore would parallel Wallace's path to stardom. Wallace became a stud in his 2nd year largely because of opportunity. Holmes was gone, so he went from WR3 on the team to WR2, and then thoroughly out-played Holmes to claim the WR1 spot. If Holmes hadn't been traded, Wallace wouldn't have been a starter in his 2nd year, and he wouldn't have exploded like he did.Moore won't have that same opportunity, so it's not reasonable to expect the same (parallel) type of production. Even though none of the other guys are established WR1s, they are more established then the competition Wallace had for a starter's spot (which was none).
Statorama
Footballguy
Well said
dharmapunk
Footballguy
What happened to DHB today? Stat line shows nada from him? Was he hurt, or was this a sign of things to come with Palmer at the helm, i.e. opportunity knocking for Moore?
Eastwood
Footballguy
Moore and Ford were the #1 and #2 today. Hope that's the trend moving forward. They have the most talent, and best hands and speed out of all their wideouts
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Would like to more about this because I have been mildly impressed with DHB the last month or so.
massraider
Footballguy
Hue said DHB was limited in his snaps because of the 'sets' raiders ran. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
duaneok66
Footballguy
Hue should be a politician.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Disclaimer: (I'm not a fan of benching DHB. Hopefully they find a role for him going forward.)
Bumping this thread to point out how this week FBG's are unanimously supporting Moore going forward. He's in the "acquire" category and has shot up the top 200 going forward list. Go check it if you are a subscriber.
Bumping this thread to point out how this week FBG's are unanimously supporting Moore going forward. He's in the "acquire" category and has shot up the top 200 going forward list. Go check it if you are a subscriber.
