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I've always defended JCamp. I still think we would have won with him. But even I'll admit, he doesn't touch Palmer's deep ball accuracy. Palmer is a huge boost to Moore's value. He's better than I gave him credit for. But let's give some credit to the Raider O line. They were blowing the Chargers off the line and Bush was running wild or Palmer had all day.
Not when your by far the #1 WR on the squad it's not a problem...Palmer will feed him because of his play breaking skills.
Pass attempts will go up as Palmer gets more comfortable. Raiders will still be run first, no doubt, but 20 attempts will be a low number assuming Palmer gets better as the weeks progress. The coaching staff was/is keeping the passing plays low to help Carson ease back into form.
I scooped him in the third as well. Then cut him only to have another owner pick him up after his first breakout, then trade him back to me as a throwin guy. Thanks to the audible for talking this guy up. He looks to be right in that Julio Jones, AJ Green group from here on out.Dynasty draft 2011: Greg Little... 1.08, D-Mo (got by this guy) 3.03.I am a very happy long term owner, but didn't start him last night and man, that stings.
I feel your pain, did the same thingI pulled him out of my lineup at the last minute. Figured it couldn't hurt to wait and see one more week.I was wrong. It hurts.
I really, really hope so, but I think this is getting a little ahead of ourselves. Those two are top 15 dynasty WR's at this point.I scooped him in the third as well. Then cut him only to have another owner pick him up after his first breakout, then trade him back to me as a throwin guy. Thanks to the audible for talking this guy up. He looks to be right in that Julio Jones, AJ Green group from here on out.Dynasty draft 2011: Greg Little... 1.08, D-Mo (got by this guy) 3.03.
Nice call guy...your predictions are getting better and better Nostradamas....
It might be. Then again, Jones was handing a starting gig right out of the gates. Denarious fought his way up and then suffered through lackluster play by his QB for half his games. His upside is certainly high. That said I'd still trade him away for Julio in a heartbeat.I really, really hope so, but I think this is getting a little ahead of ourselves. Those two are top 15 dynasty WR's at this point.I scooped him in the third as well. Then cut him only to have another owner pick him up after his first breakout, then trade him back to me as a throwin guy. Thanks to the audible for talking this guy up. He looks to be right in that Julio Jones, AJ Green group from here on out.Dynasty draft 2011: Greg Little... 1.08, D-Mo (got by this guy) 3.03.
That's the conundrum. You hate to miss those big weeks, but at this point, you need to make that playoff push too. I'm going to base it on matchups largely. He's now had 2 productive weeks in a row, garnering 19 targets in that time. His schedule is going to make it tough to keep him off the field though. His schedule upcoming he plays the 29th, 26th, 27th, 31st, and then 6th best defenses against wideouts (according to my MFL league).
I hear you. I picked up palmer for next week with big ben on a bye. (dropped freeman for him) . I really like moore but can't see starting him over any of my top 3. Marshall, maclin, boldin...if you have question marks at any of your wr spots I would not hesitate to start moore
I'll have to bench Manningham or Sidney Rice for him. Those seem pretty reasonable. I think you run him over Decker too.
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Moore only because of Dez and Miles being there for Robinson in the fantasy playoffs. I like him a lot too though. But I mean, come on, Moore is coming off a huge game where his main competition for targets got hurt so opinions on him are sky high.
I agree. In my keeper league, I am looking for the next Randy Moss, not the next Santana Moss. I need to see more consistency before I plug him into my starting lineup. I drafted him as my flier and he's now sitting behind S Smith, Dez, Manningham, and Breaston. I might hold on to him hoping he becomes consistent or trade hime now while is value is on the rise for an upgrade at another position.
Be wise, grasshopper.D and Carson have a strong connection.Just look at the targets over the past 2 weeks.End the discussion. Donuts are in the past. D'Mo is a wr2+ here on out.
I was able to start him at FLEX over some pretty solid options b/c of the targets Moore got week 9, plus the belief Palmer would make him even more viable. Not sure what I'll do going forward, but I'm guessing injury/match-ups will largely make those decisions for me down the stretch run
have a look at OAK's opponents for the next weeks..Decision made. Auto start.
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catch against Jammer.
DHB might develop into a nice little WR, but for fantasy purposes, it's just a matter of time before Moore and Ford pass him. Moore is a rookie, and Ford is in his 2nd year, and they are the best WRs the Raiders have, already.Moore ran a comeback on his first target that went through his hands....left 12 yards on the field there. Then he ran the deep
Yea I thought Lloyd was the best comp to him as well.
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Good writeup. The comparison I used earlier, going with playing style as well as size, was Marvin Harrison. Nothing particularly special size-wize, probably smaller than teams want in a true #1 WR (Combine height was 5'11", in fact). But deceptively fast, when Harrison was young, he was a deep threat, people just don't remember. The exciting part to me, is that the actual motion of him catching the ball, it just seems like second nature. He catches slant passes in stride, and is making his move. He doesn't slow down to make the catch if he doesn't have to. You see a lot of good WRs go up and make a catch, and that is the end of the move. If they can catch it, and no one is around, they gather themselves, and try and make a move. But in a truly special receiver, they are making their move as they bring the ball in, they don't think about bringing the ball in. I might not be doing a good job of explaining it, but it's what you see when a Dez Bryant catches the ball, and AJ Green, the way Rice and Randy did it. It's just Smooth (his nickname, according to his Raider teammates).I would have been shocked if he had been a consistent redraft play (I mean, he's a Raider WR, after all), but if Ford's injury lingers, you might be looking at a sexy WR3 for the fantasy playoff stretch. The other guys there, are just guys. Chaz and Murph and DHB, thus far, have just been guys. Nice moments are possible, but I feel like if Chaz or Murph gets a 25 yard pass, it's going be a 25 yard play. With Denarius, and Jacoby, they have a much, much better chance of turning a 10, 15, 20 yard play into a TD. The qualifier, is that the Raiders are a running team. Denarius and Ford, this year anyway, are going to have to get fantasy points for their owners with stat lines that resemble big games like DeSean and Manningham, and Santana Moss. 3-5 catches, with a big play or two, and hopefully a TD. I don't see the Bryant/Roddy/Bowe stat lines (7 or 8 catches etc.).i was trying to think of a comp player, too...not sure about lloyd, though that would be quite a compliment...don't forget, though, lloyd as a rookie was NOTHING like league-leading lloyd of 2010...aside from the obvious... moore has good size, excellent speed, quickness, strength, the ability to run UNDER CONTROL (running fast out of control is more or less useless except as a decoy, and even that attribute gradually wanes as the cat gets out of the bag... and the occasional lucky play), seemingly polished and developed route running skills mature beyond his years, the much commented on ability to fend off the jam (related to his exceptional suddenness, burst, acceleration, explosiveness, etc., as well as power), ability to track the ball in the air, make in flight adjustments and high point it, concentration in traffic, hands, dangerous RAC ability (he really does appear to have the complete package and potential for NFL stardom)... palmer alluded to it and called it nasty, toughness or aggressiveness (? maybe not verbatim and paraphrasing here)... i would call it attacking the ball... check out the below highlight of his first TD against the chargers... mayock notes it isn't a rookie move the way he tracked it... he came from inside the end zone, to be in front of it by the time he caught the ball... it was subtle, but he comes to meet the ball... not to compare him to rice, but rice was maybe the best ever at coming to meet the ball and not waiting for it... this is a trait and attribute that some players NEVER get, and imo it bodes very well that moore is already flashing that capability... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUhK-zCNj2w moore is a listed 6'0" 195...roddy white 6'1" 200...dwayne bowe 6'2" 220...moore is similar in size, and reminds me more of white than lloyd... white is also powerful, as well as size, speed & athleticism (state champ as a prep wrestler)...moore smaller than bowe, of course, but because of his strength, plays bigger, so maybe not too far fetched to say he plays like a smaller bowe (moore is imo more explosive and may have higher upside)? like him, moore shows what some of the elite WRs in the league have (fitz, bowe, lloyd fits here when he is positioned to succeed like last year in DEN)... great field awareness, body control, agility and the ability to make gumby-like acrobatic plays on the ball...i don't know yet if he will be consistent as a rookie, but IF the palmer-moore connection crystallizes into a consistent one, he appears to have the kind of ability to be dominant, a future top 5-10 type...i wouldn't say this lightly, but if moore fulfills his potential, long term, he could have a miles austin kind of ceiling, maybe even higher, with the ability to eventually eclipse him (that said, i wouldn't trade austin straight up for him NOW in dynasty... talk to me next year, though
What ownage? He did exactly what I expected, had his *2nd* good game of the year and has people gushing about him just like after his week 2 game.I will be totally ownaged if he isnt back to being a weekly bench WR within a few weeks.
No dog in the fight, just hilarious commentary here
They've got a QB that can get him the ball now and they have a decent WR SOS coming up. I think he's a pretty good plug 'n pray WR3. He may give you feast or famine, but that's o.k. from that spot, not everyone has 3 studs to trot out there every week.
