Dentist and "Bad Beats" (1 Viewer)

[Tom Servo]

Phil Ivey ‏@philivey 6m
No ones allowed to talk about bad beats ever again cuz a player just lost A-A to A-A for 11 million chip pot at the other table. #OneDrop

So there...

 

[Dentist]

horrific. in Missouri Hold 'em they would've split the pot and we wouldn't have used the board

 

[grateful zed]

there was this one time ...

 

[otello]

Cary Katz raised to 225,000 from the under-the-gun position only to have Connor Drinan three-bet to 580,000 from the big blind. Katz responded with a four-bet to 2 million. Drinan then moved all in and Katz called off for 5.79 million.

Katz: Ah As
Drinan: Ad Ac

The 2d Kh 5h flop gave Katz a freeroll to hearts, and the 4h turn made it a very real possibility.

"Oh my god," someone at the table said as the crowd moaned realizing one more heart would give Katz the massive pot.

The 2h river then shot shockwaves through the crowd. Sam Trickett and Antonio Esfandiari could not believe what happened and walked away from the tabled shaking their heads, while Katz and Drinan remained seated as the the floorman and dealer sorted out the stacks.

It was the worst bad beat in the world's biggest tournament and Drinan, who qualified for the tournament via a $25,000 satellite, was the unfortunate victim. The stacks were verified, and as it turned out Drinan had started the hand with slightly fewer chips.

"I'll never complain about having aces cracked again," Katz said after Drinan had exited the stage.

 

[Dentist]

Here's the thing though.. I can ALMOST accept a bad beat where the other player had every right to be in the hand and for all intents and purpose played their hand correctly.

If I get all-in with AA vs. KK pre-flop and lose to a King on the board... I really can accept that.

But I had a buddy get AA in a tourney... raise the proper amount.. flop was A 5 3 rainbow... Bet it hard (didn't slowplay) and some guy who played 5 2 stayed in the hand.. all the money went in on the turn when a random 9 hit (total rainbow) and then when the cards were flipped up on the turn his AA was against 5 2... and the river was a 4 to make the wheel and my buddy was knocked out of the tournament.. and not a $50 donkament.. a $300 WSOP circuit event.

Granted it wasn't the same monetary amount... but a REAL bad beat to me is when completely horriffic play is rewarded... that 5 2 guy had no right to see the flop let alone the river and commit all his chips.

He was a horrible poker player and ruined the tournament for my friend... that's a BAD beat... it's not just about the odds.. it's the scenario.

I get that low % things in life happen... every time a .250 baseball player gets a hit it's the equivalent of a poker bad beat... AK vs. AQ ish....

But when horrible play is bailed out.. well i just can't handle that.

 

[tjnc09]

If you can't handle a bad beat, don't gamble.

 

[Todem]

That's when luck rears her ugly head for the wrong people. Poker is a #####. I play...but I play knowing as good as I think I am playing some schmuck can play full tilt with crap cards and get lucky.

Yeah Poker is a skill game and typically really good players win cash games on a regular basis. But tournament play you see the dumbest crap happen. Hell Moneymakers run way back when to win the WSOP was some insanely awful play and a whole lotta luck. Sometimes it just goes that way.

 

[Todem]

If you can't handle a bad beat, don't gamble.

Very true.

 

[Ned]

Here's the thing though.. I can ALMOST accept a bad beat where the other player had every right to be in the hand and for all intents and purpose played their hand correctly.

If I get all-in with AA vs. KK pre-flop and lose to a King on the board... I really can accept that.

But I had a buddy get AA in a tourney... raise the proper amount.. flop was A 5 3 rainbow... Bet it hard (didn't slowplay) and some guy who played 5 2 stayed in the hand.. all the money went in on the turn when a random 9 hit (total rainbow) and then when the cards were flipped up on the turn his AA was against 5 2... and the river was a 4 to make the wheel and my buddy was knocked out of the tournament.. and not a $50 donkament.. a $300 WSOP circuit event.

Granted it wasn't the same monetary amount... but a REAL bad beat to me is when completely horriffic play is rewarded... that 5 2 guy had no right to see the flop let alone the river and commit all his chips.

He was a horrible poker player and ruined the tournament for my friend... that's a BAD beat... it's not just about the odds.. it's the scenario.

I get that low % things in life happen... every time a .250 baseball player gets a hit it's the equivalent of a poker bad beat... AK vs. AQ ish....

But when horrible play is bailed out.. well i just can't handle that.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Here's the thing though.. I can ALMOST accept a bad beat where the other player had every right to be in the hand and for all intents and purpose played their hand correctly.

If I get all-in with AA vs. KK pre-flop and lose to a King on the board... I really can accept that.

But I had a buddy get AA in a tourney... raise the proper amount.. flop was A 5 3 rainbow... Bet it hard (didn't slowplay) and some guy who played 5 2 stayed in the hand.. all the money went in on the turn when a random 9 hit (total rainbow) and then when the cards were flipped up on the turn his AA was against 5 2... and the river was a 4 to make the wheel and my buddy was knocked out of the tournament.. and not a $50 donkament.. a $300 WSOP circuit event.

Granted it wasn't the same monetary amount... but a REAL bad beat to me is when completely horriffic play is rewarded... that 5 2 guy had no right to see the flop let alone the river and commit all his chips.

He was a horrible poker player and ruined the tournament for my friend... that's a BAD beat... it's not just about the odds.. it's the scenario.

I get that low % things in life happen... every time a .250 baseball player gets a hit it's the equivalent of a poker bad beat... AK vs. AQ ish....

But when horrible play is bailed out.. well i just can't handle that.

You see these types of morons in cash games as well. I've been on the wrong end of these types of beats many times. I've gotten pretty good at complimenting them after the hand for their "good play". It's players like these that you want on the table with you.

 

[Dentist]

Here's the thing though.. I can ALMOST accept a bad beat where the other player had every right to be in the hand and for all intents and purpose played their hand correctly.

If I get all-in with AA vs. KK pre-flop and lose to a King on the board... I really can accept that.

But I had a buddy get AA in a tourney... raise the proper amount.. flop was A 5 3 rainbow... Bet it hard (didn't slowplay) and some guy who played 5 2 stayed in the hand.. all the money went in on the turn when a random 9 hit (total rainbow) and then when the cards were flipped up on the turn his AA was against 5 2... and the river was a 4 to make the wheel and my buddy was knocked out of the tournament.. and not a $50 donkament.. a $300 WSOP circuit event.

Granted it wasn't the same monetary amount... but a REAL bad beat to me is when completely horriffic play is rewarded... that 5 2 guy had no right to see the flop let alone the river and commit all his chips.

He was a horrible poker player and ruined the tournament for my friend... that's a BAD beat... it's not just about the odds.. it's the scenario.

I get that low % things in life happen... every time a .250 baseball player gets a hit it's the equivalent of a poker bad beat... AK vs. AQ ish....

But when horrible play is bailed out.. well i just can't handle that.

You see these types of morons in cash games as well. I've been on the wrong end of these types of beats many times. I've gotten pretty good at complimenting them after the hand for their "good play". It's players like these that you want on the table with you.

I can also semi-accept those people in a cash game because I can reload and get a shot at my money back.

In a tournament that guy just ruined my chances, my day, and a small percentage of my life... punching him in the face and handing him a copy of Poker for Dummies is my only possible retribution

 

[tjnc09]

 

[fred_1_15301]

Here's the thing though.. I can ALMOST accept a bad beat where the other player had every right to be in the hand and for all intents and purpose played their hand correctly.

If I get all-in with AA vs. KK pre-flop and lose to a King on the board... I really can accept that.

But I had a buddy get AA in a tourney... raise the proper amount.. flop was A 5 3 rainbow... Bet it hard (didn't slowplay) and some guy who played 5 2 stayed in the hand.. all the money went in on the turn when a random 9 hit (total rainbow) and then when the cards were flipped up on the turn his AA was against 5 2... and the river was a 4 to make the wheel and my buddy was knocked out of the tournament.. and not a $50 donkament.. a $300 WSOP circuit event.

Granted it wasn't the same monetary amount... but a REAL bad beat to me is when completely horriffic play is rewarded... that 5 2 guy had no right to see the flop let alone the river and commit all his chips.

He was a horrible poker player and ruined the tournament for my friend... that's a BAD beat... it's not just about the odds.. it's the scenario.

I get that low % things in life happen... every time a .250 baseball player gets a hit it's the equivalent of a poker bad beat... AK vs. AQ ish....

But when horrible play is bailed out.. well i just can't handle that.

You see these types of morons in cash games as well. I've been on the wrong end of these types of beats many times. I've gotten pretty good at complimenting them after the hand for their "good play". It's players like these that you want on the table with you.

I can also semi-accept those people in a cash game because I can reload and get a shot at my money back.

In a tournament that guy just ruined my chances, my day, and a small percentage of my life... punching him in the face and handing him a copy of Poker for Dummies is my only possible retribution

I personally go with kicking him in the groin but...........

 

[Tom Servo]

Katz: Ah As Kh 5h 2h 2d
Drinan: Ad Ac Kh 5h 2h 2d

As I know zero about poker and was just busting Dentist's chops about his bad beat shtick, can someone tell me why Katz won and Drinan lost?

 

[fred_1_15301]

Katz: Ah As Kh 5h 2h 2d

Drinan: Ad Ac Kh 5h 2h 2d

As I know zero about poker and was just busting Dentist's chops about his bad beat shtick, can someone tell me why Katz won and Drinan lost?

The fourth card was the 4 of hearts and the fifth card (river) was the 2 of hearts. That gives Katz 5 hearts and the flush.

 

[UniAlias]

Here's the thing though.. I can ALMOST accept a bad beat where the other player had every right to be in the hand and for all intents and purpose played their hand correctly.

If I get all-in with AA vs. KK pre-flop and lose to a King on the board... I really can accept that.

But I had a buddy get AA in a tourney... raise the proper amount.. flop was A 5 3 rainbow... Bet it hard (didn't slowplay) and some guy who played 5 2 stayed in the hand.. all the money went in on the turn when a random 9 hit (total rainbow) and then when the cards were flipped up on the turn his AA was against 5 2... and the river was a 4 to make the wheel and my buddy was knocked out of the tournament.. and not a $50 donkament.. a $300 WSOP circuit event.

Granted it wasn't the same monetary amount... but a REAL bad beat to me is when completely horriffic play is rewarded... that 5 2 guy had no right to see the flop let alone the river and commit all his chips.

He was a horrible poker player and ruined the tournament for my friend... that's a BAD beat... it's not just about the odds.. it's the scenario.

I get that low % things in life happen... every time a .250 baseball player gets a hit it's the equivalent of a poker bad beat... AK vs. AQ ish....

But when horrible play is bailed out.. well i just can't handle that.

You see these types of morons in cash games as well. I've been on the wrong end of these types of beats many times. I've gotten pretty good at complimenting them after the hand for their "good play". It's players like these that you want on the table with you.

I can also semi-accept those people in a cash game because I can reload and get a shot at my money back.

In a tournament that guy just ruined my chances, my day, and a small percentage of my life... punching him in the face and handing him a copy of Poker for Dummies is my only possible retribution

There is always another tournament. If everyone played perfectly your chances of winning would diminish. That's why being successful long term with poker is 90% about bankroll management and having the mental fortitude to handle the stress of variance.

 

[Kuz]

Katz: Ah As Kh 5h 2h 2d

Drinan: Ad Ac Kh 5h 2h 2d

As I know zero about poker and was just busting Dentist's chops about his bad beat shtick, can someone tell me why Katz won and Drinan lost?

Katz had a flush

 

[Tom Servo]

Katz: Ah As Kh 5h 2h 2d

Drinan: Ad Ac Kh 5h 2h 2d

As I know zero about poker and was just busting Dentist's chops about his bad beat shtick, can someone tell me why Katz won and Drinan lost?

The fourth card was the 4 of hearts and the fifth card (river) was the 2 of hearts. That gives Katz 5 hearts and the flush.

So a flush is 5 cards of the same suit? Then the other cards are tossed out?

 

[fred_1_15301]

Katz: Ah As Kh 5h 2h 2d

Drinan: Ad Ac Kh 5h 2h 2d

As I know zero about poker and was just busting Dentist's chops about his bad beat shtick, can someone tell me why Katz won and Drinan lost?

The fourth card was the 4 of hearts and the fifth card (river) was the 2 of hearts. That gives Katz 5 hearts and the flush.

So a flush is 5 cards of the same suit? Then the other cards are tossed out?

You are dealt 2 cards and there are 5 community cards. If any combination of 5 are of the same suit, you have a flush.

 

[Dentist]

Here's the thing though.. I can ALMOST accept a bad beat where the other player had every right to be in the hand and for all intents and purpose played their hand correctly.

If I get all-in with AA vs. KK pre-flop and lose to a King on the board... I really can accept that.

But I had a buddy get AA in a tourney... raise the proper amount.. flop was A 5 3 rainbow... Bet it hard (didn't slowplay) and some guy who played 5 2 stayed in the hand.. all the money went in on the turn when a random 9 hit (total rainbow) and then when the cards were flipped up on the turn his AA was against 5 2... and the river was a 4 to make the wheel and my buddy was knocked out of the tournament.. and not a $50 donkament.. a $300 WSOP circuit event.

Granted it wasn't the same monetary amount... but a REAL bad beat to me is when completely horriffic play is rewarded... that 5 2 guy had no right to see the flop let alone the river and commit all his chips.

He was a horrible poker player and ruined the tournament for my friend... that's a BAD beat... it's not just about the odds.. it's the scenario.

I get that low % things in life happen... every time a .250 baseball player gets a hit it's the equivalent of a poker bad beat... AK vs. AQ ish....

But when horrible play is bailed out.. well i just can't handle that.

You see these types of morons in cash games as well. I've been on the wrong end of these types of beats many times. I've gotten pretty good at complimenting them after the hand for their "good play". It's players like these that you want on the table with you.

I can also semi-accept those people in a cash game because I can reload and get a shot at my money back.

In a tournament that guy just ruined my chances, my day, and a small percentage of my life... punching him in the face and handing him a copy of Poker for Dummies is my only possible retribution

There is always another tournament. If everyone played perfectly your chances of winning would diminish. That's why being successful long term with poker is 90% about bankroll management and having the mental fortitude to handle the stress of variance.

See if you're a pro there's always another tournament.. but for me and my buddy we can't get a good tournament without driving to one of these WSOP circuit events and we get to stay 3 days which means 1 or 2 tournaments.. and then it's bye bye until next year.

So my buddies life was ruined poker-wise for nearly an entire year based on this idiot's play... He's accepted that you can lose your stack on a coinflip or on a QQ vs. JJ type of situation... but not where some BASS POLE comes in and plays cards in such a way that it appears like he doesn't even understand how the game works, let alone ever read even 10 pages of ONE strategy guide.

It's disgusting and should be punished

 

[Dentist]

Katz: Ah As Kh 5h 2h 2d

Drinan: Ad Ac Kh 5h 2h 2d

As I know zero about poker and was just busting Dentist's chops about his bad beat shtick, can someone tell me why Katz won and Drinan lost?

The fourth card was the 4 of hearts and the fifth card (river) was the 2 of hearts. That gives Katz 5 hearts and the flush.

So a flush is 5 cards of the same suit? Then the other cards are tossed out?

OK... now this is a bad beat

 

[Tom Servo]

Katz: Ah As Kh 5h 2h 2d

Drinan: Ad Ac Kh 5h 2h 2d

As I know zero about poker and was just busting Dentist's chops about his bad beat shtick, can someone tell me why Katz won and Drinan lost?

The fourth card was the 4 of hearts and the fifth card (river) was the 2 of hearts. That gives Katz 5 hearts and the flush.

So a flush is 5 cards of the same suit? Then the other cards are tossed out?

You are dealt 2 cards and there are 5 community cards. If any combination of 5 are of the same suit, you have a flush.

Thank you.

 

[UniAlias]

Here's the thing though.. I can ALMOST accept a bad beat where the other player had every right to be in the hand and for all intents and purpose played their hand correctly.

If I get all-in with AA vs. KK pre-flop and lose to a King on the board... I really can accept that.

But I had a buddy get AA in a tourney... raise the proper amount.. flop was A 5 3 rainbow... Bet it hard (didn't slowplay) and some guy who played 5 2 stayed in the hand.. all the money went in on the turn when a random 9 hit (total rainbow) and then when the cards were flipped up on the turn his AA was against 5 2... and the river was a 4 to make the wheel and my buddy was knocked out of the tournament.. and not a $50 donkament.. a $300 WSOP circuit event.

Granted it wasn't the same monetary amount... but a REAL bad beat to me is when completely horriffic play is rewarded... that 5 2 guy had no right to see the flop let alone the river and commit all his chips.

He was a horrible poker player and ruined the tournament for my friend... that's a BAD beat... it's not just about the odds.. it's the scenario.

I get that low % things in life happen... every time a .250 baseball player gets a hit it's the equivalent of a poker bad beat... AK vs. AQ ish....

But when horrible play is bailed out.. well i just can't handle that.

You see these types of morons in cash games as well. I've been on the wrong end of these types of beats many times. I've gotten pretty good at complimenting them after the hand for their "good play". It's players like these that you want on the table with you.

I can also semi-accept those people in a cash game because I can reload and get a shot at my money back.

In a tournament that guy just ruined my chances, my day, and a small percentage of my life... punching him in the face and handing him a copy of Poker for Dummies is my only possible retribution

There is always another tournament. If everyone played perfectly your chances of winning would diminish. That's why being successful long term with poker is 90% about bankroll management and having the mental fortitude to handle the stress of variance.

So my buddies life was ruined poker-wise for nearly an entire year based on this idiot's play...

Your buddy is playing way over his head then.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Here's the thing though.. I can ALMOST accept a bad beat where the other player had every right to be in the hand and for all intents and purpose played their hand correctly.

If I get all-in with AA vs. KK pre-flop and lose to a King on the board... I really can accept that.

But I had a buddy get AA in a tourney... raise the proper amount.. flop was A 5 3 rainbow... Bet it hard (didn't slowplay) and some guy who played 5 2 stayed in the hand.. all the money went in on the turn when a random 9 hit (total rainbow) and then when the cards were flipped up on the turn his AA was against 5 2... and the river was a 4 to make the wheel and my buddy was knocked out of the tournament.. and not a $50 donkament.. a $300 WSOP circuit event.

Granted it wasn't the same monetary amount... but a REAL bad beat to me is when completely horriffic play is rewarded... that 5 2 guy had no right to see the flop let alone the river and commit all his chips.

He was a horrible poker player and ruined the tournament for my friend... that's a BAD beat... it's not just about the odds.. it's the scenario.

I get that low % things in life happen... every time a .250 baseball player gets a hit it's the equivalent of a poker bad beat... AK vs. AQ ish....

But when horrible play is bailed out.. well i just can't handle that.

You see these types of morons in cash games as well. I've been on the wrong end of these types of beats many times. I've gotten pretty good at complimenting them after the hand for their "good play". It's players like these that you want on the table with you.

I can also semi-accept those people in a cash game because I can reload and get a shot at my money back.

In a tournament that guy just ruined my chances, my day, and a small percentage of my life... punching him in the face and handing him a copy of Poker for Dummies is my only possible retribution

There is always another tournament. If everyone played perfectly your chances of winning would diminish. That's why being successful long term with poker is 90% about bankroll management and having the mental fortitude to handle the stress of variance.

See if you're a pro there's always another tournament.. but for me and my buddy we can't get a good tournament without driving to one of these WSOP circuit events and we get to stay 3 days which means 1 or 2 tournaments.. and then it's bye bye until next year.

So my buddies life was ruined poker-wise for nearly an entire year based on this idiot's play... He's accepted that you can lose your stack on a coinflip or on a QQ vs. JJ type of situation... but not where some BASS POLE comes in and plays cards in such a way that it appears like he doesn't even understand how the game works, let alone ever read even 10 pages of ONE strategy guide.

It's disgusting and should be punished

What does it mean to have your "life ruined poker-wise"? Seems like your buddy needs to find a game that relies 100% on skill and 0% on luck.

 

[tjnc09]

MC Gas Money needs to draw Dentist slicing some guys head off with the Ace of Diamonds

 

[irish eyes]

Here's the thing though.. I can ALMOST accept a bad beat where the other player had every right to be in the hand and for all intents and purpose played their hand correctly.

If I get all-in with AA vs. KK pre-flop and lose to a King on the board... I really can accept that.

But I had a buddy get AA in a tourney... raise the proper amount.. flop was A 5 3 rainbow... Bet it hard (didn't slowplay) and some guy who played 5 2 stayed in the hand.. all the money went in on the turn when a random 9 hit (total rainbow) and then when the cards were flipped up on the turn his AA was against 5 2... and the river was a 4 to make the wheel and my buddy was knocked out of the tournament.. and not a $50 donkament.. a $300 WSOP circuit event.

Granted it wasn't the same monetary amount... but a REAL bad beat to me is when completely horriffic play is rewarded... that 5 2 guy had no right to see the flop let alone the river and commit all his chips.

He was a horrible poker player and ruined the tournament for my friend... that's a BAD beat... it's not just about the odds.. it's the scenario.

I get that low % things in life happen... every time a .250 baseball player gets a hit it's the equivalent of a poker bad beat... AK vs. AQ ish....

But when horrible play is bailed out.. well i just can't handle that.

You see these types of morons in cash games as well. I've been on the wrong end of these types of beats many times. I've gotten pretty good at complimenting them after the hand for their "good play". It's players like these that you want on the table with you.

I can also semi-accept those people in a cash game because I can reload and get a shot at my money back.

In a tournament that guy just ruined my chances, my day, and a small percentage of my life... punching him in the face and handing him a copy of Poker for Dummies is my only possible retribution

There is always another tournament. If everyone played perfectly your chances of winning would diminish. That's why being successful long term with poker is 90% about bankroll management and having the mental fortitude to handle the stress of variance.

So my buddies life was ruined poker-wise for nearly an entire year based on this idiot's play...

Your buddy is playing way over his head then.

Exactly it's comical. I didn't realize there was rule that you're not allowed to play with bad cards. He didn't ruin his poker life, the guy that lost played the game all by himself. No one held a gun to his head and made him go all in.

 

[Dentist]

Here's the thing though.. I can ALMOST accept a bad beat where the other player had every right to be in the hand and for all intents and purpose played their hand correctly.

If I get all-in with AA vs. KK pre-flop and lose to a King on the board... I really can accept that.

But I had a buddy get AA in a tourney... raise the proper amount.. flop was A 5 3 rainbow... Bet it hard (didn't slowplay) and some guy who played 5 2 stayed in the hand.. all the money went in on the turn when a random 9 hit (total rainbow) and then when the cards were flipped up on the turn his AA was against 5 2... and the river was a 4 to make the wheel and my buddy was knocked out of the tournament.. and not a $50 donkament.. a $300 WSOP circuit event.

Granted it wasn't the same monetary amount... but a REAL bad beat to me is when completely horriffic play is rewarded... that 5 2 guy had no right to see the flop let alone the river and commit all his chips.

He was a horrible poker player and ruined the tournament for my friend... that's a BAD beat... it's not just about the odds.. it's the scenario.

I get that low % things in life happen... every time a .250 baseball player gets a hit it's the equivalent of a poker bad beat... AK vs. AQ ish....

But when horrible play is bailed out.. well i just can't handle that.

You see these types of morons in cash games as well. I've been on the wrong end of these types of beats many times. I've gotten pretty good at complimenting them after the hand for their "good play". It's players like these that you want on the table with you.

I can also semi-accept those people in a cash game because I can reload and get a shot at my money back.

In a tournament that guy just ruined my chances, my day, and a small percentage of my life... punching him in the face and handing him a copy of Poker for Dummies is my only possible retribution

There is always another tournament. If everyone played perfectly your chances of winning would diminish. That's why being successful long term with poker is 90% about bankroll management and having the mental fortitude to handle the stress of variance.

So my buddies life was ruined poker-wise for nearly an entire year based on this idiot's play...

Your buddy is playing way over his head then.

Exactly it's comical. I didn't realize there was rule that you're not allowed to play with bad cards. He didn't ruin his poker life, the guy that lost played the game all by himself. No one held a gun to his head and made him go all in.

MY FRIEND SHOVED with the 2nd NUTS at the time and using any reasonable poker information there is no way to put someone on 24 given the pre-flop action.

The BASS POLE Called with 2 5.. 2nd pair with the worst possible kicker. There is no possible way he used any logic when making that call... it is not defensible in any way. He is only beating a complete and total bluff.

The guy made a bad call and then hit a 4 outer with 1 card to come.

My friend looks forward to this tournament every year.. it has a great structure... and he was knocked out in the FIRST FIVE minutes after we drove 3 hours to get there.

That's RUINING his poker life.

 

[Dentist]

MC Gas Money needs to draw Dentist slicing some guys head off with the Ace of Diamonds

And then taking a dump on the severed head

 

[Brony]

For a $50 donkament, I can't really see a poker life being ruined, but for a $300 tourney, yeah, I'd be wrecked for a decade or two.

 

[Dentist]

For a $50 donkament, I can't really see a poker life being ruined, but for a $300 tourney, yeah, I'd be wrecked for a decade or two.

Exactly.. There is no play I would complain about in a $50 donkament.. that's the kind of tourney someone enters if they are learning how to play poker and don't want to risk much.

in a $300 WSOP Circuit tournament I assume at least a basic understanding of the game.... too much? How expensive does a tournament have to be before people quit playing horribly?

 

[Thorn]

 

[Thorn]

For a $50 donkament, I can't really see a poker life being ruined, but for a $300 tourney, yeah, I'd be wrecked for a decade or two.

Exactly.. There is no play I would complain about in a $50 donkament.. that's the kind of tourney someone enters if they are learning how to play poker and don't want to risk much.

in a $300 WSOP Circuit tournament I assume at least a basic understanding of the game.... too much? How expensive does a tournament have to be before people quit playing horribly?

Lotta rich dummies out there...

 

[NCCommish]

I think the answer here is, scoreboard. You don't like his play. But in the end he won out. Maybe he thought your boy had nothing, maybe he was an idiot. But if you are going all in not knowing the players in the first 5 minutes of the tourney and you get clipped? Oh well better luck next time and try taking the temp of the table for a few before you go nuts.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I think the answer here is, scoreboard. You don't like his play. But in the end he won out. Maybe he thought your boy had nothing, maybe he was an idiot. But if you are going all in not knowing the players in the first 5 minutes of the tourney and you get clipped? Oh well better luck next time and try taking the temp of the table for a few before you go nuts.

 

[Dentist]

I think the answer here is, scoreboard. You don't like his play. But in the end he won out. Maybe he thought your boy had nothing, maybe he was an idiot. But if you are going all in not knowing the players in the first 5 minutes of the tourney and you get clipped? Oh well better luck next time and try taking the temp of the table for a few before you go nuts.

I'm not sure you understand. If my buddy saw the guys hand he would say "absolutely, go ahead and call"... but that 4 is not supposed to hit when it's like a 5% chance.

That's stupid.

In Missouri hold'em the guy would immediately lose his chips for making that call, river card be damned, and he would also be given a stern lecture on poker theory

 

[Eminence]

Any of you guys ever been on the other side of a bad beat? Playing a hand you shouldn't have and winning?

 

[fred_1_15301]

Any of you guys ever been on the other side of a bad beat? Playing a hand you shouldn't have and winning?

Never.

 

[NCCommish]

I think the answer here is, scoreboard. You don't like his play. But in the end he won out. Maybe he thought your boy had nothing, maybe he was an idiot. But if you are going all in not knowing the players in the first 5 minutes of the tourney and you get clipped? Oh well better luck next time and try taking the temp of the table for a few before you go nuts.

I'm not sure you understand. If my buddy saw the guys hand he would say "absolutely, go ahead and call"... but that 4 is not supposed to hit when it's like a 5% chance.

That's stupid.

In Missouri hold'em the guy would immediately lose his chips for making that call, river card be damned, and he would also be given a stern lecture on poker theory

We're you playing Missouri hold'em? Not sure it's relevant if not. And they are his cards. Who are you to tell them how to play them? It's his money to lose who are you to keep him from doing so? I get it he beat your guy with a gamble that should have failed. He got lucky. If someone who didn't know what they were dealing with had been more cautious they would have gotten a chance to take all his chips at some point. But they weren't and so they didn't. Your guy is much more to blame for his early bounce than the guy who lucked out IMO.

 

[NCCommish]

Any of you guys ever been on the other side of a bad beat? Playing a hand you shouldn't have and winning?

Of course. I have thought a guy who was bluffing all night was bluffing again and played a crap hand. Only to find out he finally had something and I got lucky. It may be a game of skill and math but luck is still in there and that's what makes it interesting.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

See if you're a pro there's always another tournament.. but for me and my buddy we can't get a good tournament without driving to one of these WSOP circuit events and we get to stay 3 days which means 1 or 2 tournaments.. and then it's bye bye until next year.

So basically your buddy was playing the highest-variance form of a high-variance game, and he's pissed about variance.

Does that pretty sum it up?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Also, why are you talking about lecturing the other guy about poker theory or giving him a book on the game? You're the one who doesn't understand what's going on here. If the fish never called for all their chips with middle pair - no kicker, it would be a lot harder for you to make money at this game. The fish doesn't understand odds and strategy, but he can learn those by reading a book. You don't understand what poker is fundamentally all about.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

You've got to know when to hold ' em

Know when to fold ' em

 

[Ned]

See if you're a pro there's always another tournament.. but for me and my buddy we can't get a good tournament without driving to one of these WSOP circuit events and we get to stay 3 days which means 1 or 2 tournaments.. and then it's bye bye until next year.

So basically your buddy was playing the highest-variance form of a high-variance game, and he's pissed about variance.

Does that pretty sum it up?

 

[Dentist]

I think the answer here is, scoreboard. You don't like his play. But in the end he won out. Maybe he thought your boy had nothing, maybe he was an idiot. But if you are going all in not knowing the players in the first 5 minutes of the tourney and you get clipped? Oh well better luck next time and try taking the temp of the table for a few before you go nuts.

I'm not sure you understand. If my buddy saw the guys hand he would say "absolutely, go ahead and call"... but that 4 is not supposed to hit when it's like a 5% chance.

That's stupid.

In Missouri hold'em the guy would immediately lose his chips for making that call, river card be damned, and he would also be given a stern lecture on poker theory

We're you playing Missouri hold'em? Not sure it's relevant if not. And they are his cards. Who are you to tell them how to play them? It's his money to lose who are you to keep him from doing so? I get it he beat your guy with a gamble that should have failed. He got lucky. If someone who didn't know what they were dealing with had been more cautious they would have gotten a chance to take all his chips at some point. But they weren't and so they didn't. Your guy is much more to blame for his early bounce than the guy who lucked out IMO.

So my guy should'nt have shoved with the 2nd nuts on the turn? His shove represented just slightly more than was in the pot.

There was ZERO flaw to how he played the hand... ZERO... the guy should never have called.. and if he DID call there was no way he should've hit the hand.

95% of the time my buddy doubles up and probably has a great run. What i'm suggesting is that that 5% shouldn't ever have to happen.

 

[Dentist]

See if you're a pro there's always another tournament.. but for me and my buddy we can't get a good tournament without driving to one of these WSOP circuit events and we get to stay 3 days which means 1 or 2 tournaments.. and then it's bye bye until next year.

So basically your buddy was playing the highest-variance form of a high-variance game, and he's pissed about variance.

Does that pretty sum it up?

Variance is one thing.. Extreme stupidity plus variance leads to pissed.

 

[Dentist]

Also, why are you talking about lecturing the other guy about poker theory or giving him a book on the game? You're the one who doesn't understand what's going on here. If the fish never called for all their chips with middle pair - no kicker, it would be a lot harder for you to make money at this game. The fish doesn't understand odds and strategy, but he can learn those by reading a book. You don't understand what poker is fundamentally all about.

Look, I've forgotten more about poker than you know about poker.... But I've enjoyed shifting from poker to chess because even if I did successfully beat the game in the long run and do understand that the types of guys that beat my buddy in this tournament are essential to having a beatable game... the journey to beating it was just too painful.

I hate luck.. just positively hate it.

 

[NCCommish]

I think the answer here is, scoreboard. You don't like his play. But in the end he won out. Maybe he thought your boy had nothing, maybe he was an idiot. But if you are going all in not knowing the players in the first 5 minutes of the tourney and you get clipped? Oh well better luck next time and try taking the temp of the table for a few before you go nuts.

I'm not sure you understand. If my buddy saw the guys hand he would say "absolutely, go ahead and call"... but that 4 is not supposed to hit when it's like a 5% chance.

That's stupid.

In Missouri hold'em the guy would immediately lose his chips for making that call, river card be damned, and he would also be given a stern lecture on poker theory

We're you playing Missouri hold'em? Not sure it's relevant if not. And they are his cards. Who are you to tell them how to play them? It's his money to lose who are you to keep him from doing so? I get it he beat your guy with a gamble that should have failed. He got lucky. If someone who didn't know what they were dealing with had been more cautious they would have gotten a chance to take all his chips at some point. But they weren't and so they didn't. Your guy is much more to blame for his early bounce than the guy who lucked out IMO.

So my guy should'nt have shoved with the 2nd nuts on the turn? His shove represented just slightly more than was in the pot.

There was ZERO flaw to how he played the hand... ZERO... the guy should never have called.. and if he DID call there was no way he should've hit the hand.

95% of the time my buddy doubles up and probably has a great run. What i'm suggesting is that that 5% shouldn't ever have to happen.

If the 5 percent never happened there would be no reason to play the ####### game.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Also, why are you talking about lecturing the other guy about poker theory or giving him a book on the game? You're the one who doesn't understand what's going on here. If the fish never called for all their chips with middle pair - no kicker, it would be a lot harder for you to make money at this game. The fish doesn't understand odds and strategy, but he can learn those by reading a book. You don't understand what poker is fundamentally all about.

Look, I've forgotten more about poker than you know about poker.... But I've enjoyed shifting from poker to chess because even if I did successfully beat the game in the long run and do understand that the types of guys that beat my buddy in this tournament are essential to having a beatable game... the journey to beating it was just too painful.

I hate luck.. just positively hate it.

Sounds like a good move.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Also, why are you talking about lecturing the other guy about poker theory or giving him a book on the game? You're the one who doesn't understand what's going on here. If the fish never called for all their chips with middle pair - no kicker, it would be a lot harder for you to make money at this game. The fish doesn't understand odds and strategy, but he can learn those by reading a book. You don't understand what poker is fundamentally all about.

Dentist's schtick has passed you by........

 

[Dentist]

I think the answer here is, scoreboard. You don't like his play. But in the end he won out. Maybe he thought your boy had nothing, maybe he was an idiot. But if you are going all in not knowing the players in the first 5 minutes of the tourney and you get clipped? Oh well better luck next time and try taking the temp of the table for a few before you go nuts.

I'm not sure you understand. If my buddy saw the guys hand he would say "absolutely, go ahead and call"... but that 4 is not supposed to hit when it's like a 5% chance.

That's stupid.

In Missouri hold'em the guy would immediately lose his chips for making that call, river card be damned, and he would also be given a stern lecture on poker theory

We're you playing Missouri hold'em? Not sure it's relevant if not. And they are his cards. Who are you to tell them how to play them? It's his money to lose who are you to keep him from doing so? I get it he beat your guy with a gamble that should have failed. He got lucky. If someone who didn't know what they were dealing with had been more cautious they would have gotten a chance to take all his chips at some point. But they weren't and so they didn't. Your guy is much more to blame for his early bounce than the guy who lucked out IMO.

So my guy should'nt have shoved with the 2nd nuts on the turn? His shove represented just slightly more than was in the pot.

There was ZERO flaw to how he played the hand... ZERO... the guy should never have called.. and if he DID call there was no way he should've hit the hand.

95% of the time my buddy doubles up and probably has a great run. What i'm suggesting is that that 5% shouldn't ever have to happen.

If the 5 percent never happened there would be no reason to play the ####### game.

It's one of the reasons I mostly quit. I got to the point that regardless of how much money I could win.. the pain of losing that 5-30% of the time when the bad beats hit was too maddening.

I could accept being outplayed... i could accept having the worst hand.. i could accept being coin-flipped out of tournaments.... I could even accept bad beats when the player had every right to be in the hand... like AA vs. KK and he spikes his king... guy did nothing wrong... But I could'nt accept being beaten by the bad play bad beat combo.