Denver Broncos Trade the 22nd Pick (1 Viewer)

[Andy Dufresne]

Fine. Maybe they get Hawk in the first. Maybe Huff. The QBs could send D'Brick or Mario their way. Maybe the assumption of Davis is in error. There is no doubt the DeAngelo love was very real. Gore has had both shoulders operated on this offseason. The way he runs it could be a big issue.

The Niners also loved Chad Greenway from the Senior Bowl experience. He was the first player invited for a personal visit, iirc. So, if DeAngelo is gone, and Greenway is there, perhaps these two players were both in their pick 22 thinking in this trade.

Could they be blamed for taking DeAngelo at #6 overall? I don't think so at all.

 

[P Boy]

I'm convinced Shanhan is looking to get Walker.  The Packers have intimated they need a high second rounder and maybe a player in return.

My thoughts exactly. DEN thought that the #22 pick was too much to ask for Walker, but this way they can trade the SF 2nd rounder & Lelie for Walker & get a high 3rd rounder in the deal.That's some damn fine horse trading if true.

 

[Spartans346]

Here is something crazy to think about...

They get Walker with a second rounder.

Ricky's charges get dropped and then they trade a third rounder to get him.

Imagine............. Rod Smith, Javon Walker, and Ricky Williams and still have some good draft picks left.

This could get interesting.

 

[facook]

6--VD

22--Best D player available, most likely a guy who can play 3-4 OLB.

DeAngelo will not be picked at 22.

This is the truth, folks.I'm sure the Niners are targeting two or three players they can pick up here, but I don't think they are leaving the first round without a defensive player.

This is the correct answer. They definitely would have waited until draft day if there was 1 guy they wanted. As it is, they have a handful of guys in that area that would make them happy.

 

[facook]

Lendale White to Denver....book it

not sure why a lot of people r convinced white is the apple of denver's eye. doesn't denver already have a big guy (not that white is all that big except in comparison to the other draft prospects)? u know - the one that won the dallas game on thanksgiving named dayne? he got 13 carries in that last game vs the sd defense and did pretty well. i think shanny thinks he got thru to him and he runs pretty well with that OL blocking scheme.

i also think shanny is too conceited and confident he could make almost any rb a 1000 yd gainer that he doesn't have to go rb in the 1st 2 rounds when he has other issues like defense.

and oh - psssssssssssssst = pac 10 defense is an oxymoron. white = bust. he's eating twinkies as you read this.

So am I.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Mike Nolan really did fall in love with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl.  He singled him out for praise on three different occasions.  I had DeAngelo to the 9ers at 1.06 in a post Senior Bowl mock.  If he's there at 22.  He's a 9er.

ETA:  No other player was ever singled out and named by the 49er coaching staff.  Williams made a very big impression on them.

DeAngelo Williams isn't making it past #21.

Any specific info, or just a strong feeling NE will want him. NE is so hard to read...

No, I haven't heard anything specific about Williams, because like you say, the Pats are hard to read and rarely tip their hand.I just can't see Belichick passing on the 2nd best RB in the draft who should be long gone before they pick. That is, unless he has seen something in some of the lesser-known RBs, like Addai, Calhoun, etc.

Then again, we all thought David Terrell and Koren Robinson should have gone to the Pats rather than Richard Seymour! In Bill We Trust!

 

[hacman]

6--VD

22--Best D player available, most likely a guy who can play 3-4 OLB.

DeAngelo will not be picked at 22.

This is the truth, folks.I'm sure the Niners are targeting two or three players they can pick up here, but I don't think they are leaving the first round without a defensive player.

Fine. Maybe they get Hawk in the first. Maybe Huff. The QBs could send D'Brick or Mario their way. Maybe the assumption of Davis is in error. There is no doubt the DeAngelo love was very real. Gore has had both shoulders operated on this offseason. The way he runs it could be a big issue.The Niners also loved Chad Greenway from the Senior Bowl experience. He was the first player invited for a personal visit, iirc. So, if DeAngelo is gone, and Greenway is there, perhaps these two players were both in their pick 22 thinking in this trade.

I can see SF not going with Davis at 6, particularly if big talent drops to them there. I don't see them getting DeAngelo because of the following:-They have too many needs to be stockpiling injury-prone running backs at the top of the draft. I think Nolan is more conservative in nature. Injury-prone maybe an unfair label for Williams at this point, but it has to be on the minds of NFL teams.

-I believe Nolan is content with the stable of backs he has: Barlow, Gore and Hicks. Content, not ecstatic. I know this is difficult for the anti-Barlow contingent on these boards, but Barlow did run hard last year. Gore also ran well, though is a question mark as far as health. Hicks does well as a fill-in. As an aggregate, they will be average to above average running the ball. I know there are many who doubt this, but time will tell.

Another point, Nolan's open love of Williams at the Senior Bowl could be mis-direction hoping that the Jets or the Packers would draft their future rb in front of SF allowing other prospects to drop. Is Nolan capable of this? I don't know yet. One thing I do know, I do appreciate Bloom & Choas Commish and hold in high regard their work regarding dynasty, so I find myself in uneasy territory with an opposing view point. It'll be great to see how it goes down in a couple of weeks.

 

[GoL]

This is a good move for the 49ers.

1.06 - Vernon Davis

1.22 - Jason Allen/Donte Whitner/Carpenter/Lawson/Howard/ (any of which are a great upgrade)

Upgrade both sides of the ball bigtime.

Ain't no way I'm drafting V.Davis in my rookie draft if he goes to San Fran. No O-line, no qb, no running game, no wr's... If he were to drop to the 2nd round maybe...but I wouldn't spend a first rounder on him.

Freak or not, you gotta have a competent qb to get you the ball. Preferably one that won't be on his back very often.

Quick! Someone name me a stud TE that doesn't have a decent qb throwing to him.

Gates = Brees = competent

Gonzalez = Green = competent

Crumpler = Vick = somewhat competent

Shockey = Manning = competent

...ya get the point. Alex Smith doesn't seem like he can cut it. But I'm willing to give him this year before I mail it in.

Heap -->> Boller = incompetent

Slightly off topic here but the stud TE's all share stud running games and poor recievers. SF has the poor recievers but unfortunately not the running game.The running game brings the LBs up so the TE can get behind them on the play fake. The fact that no WR is going to catch the ball leads the QB to look immediately for the TE.

 

[P Boy]

and oh - psssssssssssssst = pac 10 defense is an oxymoron. white = bust. he's eating twinkies as you read this.

Missed the national championship game, huh?

 

[jurb26]

6--VD

22--Best D player available, most likely a guy who can play 3-4 OLB.

DeAngelo will not be picked at 22.

This is the truth, folks.I'm sure the Niners are targeting two or three players they can pick up here, but I don't think they are leaving the first round without a defensive player.

Fine. Maybe they get Hawk in the first. Maybe Huff. The QBs could send D'Brick or Mario their way. Maybe the assumption of Davis is in error. There is no doubt the DeAngelo love was very real. Gore has had both shoulders operated on this offseason. The way he runs it could be a big issue.The Niners also loved Chad Greenway from the Senior Bowl experience. He was the first player invited for a personal visit, iirc. So, if DeAngelo is gone, and Greenway is there, perhaps these two players were both in their pick 22 thinking in this trade.

I can see SF not going with Davis at 6, particularly if big talent drops to them there. I don't see them getting DeAngelo because of the following:-They have too many needs to be stockpiling injury-prone running backs at the top of the draft. I think Nolan is more conservative in nature. Injury-prone maybe an unfair label for Williams at this point, but it has to be on the minds of NFL teams.

-I believe Nolan is content with the stable of backs he has: Barlow, Gore and Hicks. Content, not ecstatic. I know this is difficult for the anti-Barlow contingent on these boards, but Barlow did run hard last year. Gore also ran well, though is a question mark as far as health. Hicks does well as a fill-in. As an aggregate, they will be average to above average running the ball. I know there are many who doubt this, but time will tell.

Another point, Nolan's open love of Williams at the Senior Bowl could be mis-direction hoping that the Jets or the Packers would draft their future rb in front of SF allowing other prospects to drop. Is Nolan capable of this? I don't know yet. One thing I do know, I do appreciate Bloom & Choas Commish and hold in high regard their work regarding dynasty, so I find myself in uneasy territory with an opposing view point. It'll be great to see how it goes down in a couple of weeks.

I am in the minority on this, but I see very little chance that SF takes Davis. I think it is a very real possibility that Ferguson (least likely) or Hawk fall to them at 6. If one of those guys falls, they take them. I now see the SF draft starting:1.06 - Hawk/Ferguson

1.22 - Cromartie/Allen

If so, there is no combination of those guys I don't like for them.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Another point, Nolan's open love of Williams at the Senior Bowl could be mis-direction hoping that the Jets or the Packers would draft their future rb in front of SF allowing other prospects to drop. Is Nolan capable of this? I don't know yet. One thing I do know, I do appreciate Bloom & Choas Commish and hold in high regard their work regarding dynasty, so I find myself in uneasy territory with an opposing view point. It'll be great to see how it goes down in a couple of weeks.

No need to qualify the statement, im wrong as much as (more?) than i'm right about this draft stuff. I don't have any special super secret sources, Im just going on what I saw, that Nolan gushed over DeAngelo in a way he didn't over any other player on his Senior Bowl roster. 49ers coaches worked with Williams one on one all week. Norv Turner even got a look at him. The other part of this equation is that they don't really have a RB you can completely trust over the course of a season. Gore is full of heart, but will break down eventually. Barlow, well, we've seen enough of him. He's decent lesser part of an RBBC, but no feature back. A real big question on my mind is who initiated this trade? The theory that Denver did, to get a pick that will help fetch Javon Walker is compelling, and consistent with the timing of the trade. SF has their agenda too, but like another poster said, if it was for a specific player then they would have waited til draft day. More likely is that they are happy with a few players they see available there and would take any of the group. Im not sure that the move up will help them get a better 3/4 OLB, they are only leapfrogging the steelers and jets (hybrid) in the move from 37 to 22. If they just wanted the #3 3-4 OLB off the board (assuming that CLE and DAL both take one), the move puts them right behind a team that very well could take that guy, new england.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Fine.  Maybe they get Hawk in the first.  Maybe Huff.  The QBs could send D'Brick or Mario their way.  Maybe the assumption of Davis is in error.  There is no doubt the DeAngelo love was very real.  Gore has had both shoulders operated on this offseason.  The way he runs it could be a big issue.

The Niners also loved Chad Greenway from the Senior Bowl experience.  He was the first player invited for a personal visit, iirc.  So, if DeAngelo is gone, and Greenway is there, perhaps these two players were both in their pick 22 thinking in this trade.

Could they be blamed for taking DeAngelo at #6 overall? I don't think so at all.

Yes they could! As deep as RB's this draft, this would be a STUPID move. Add that they have okay RB's already there and the holes they have almost everywhere else...YES THEY COULD BE BLAMED and probably laughed at, but they have become used to that lately.

 

[ruelvis]

and oh - psssssssssssssst = pac 10 defense is an oxymoron.  white = bust.   he's eating twinkies as you read this.

Missed the national championship game, huh?

umm - actually the championship game proved my point quite well. espn, every and every other media outlet touted usc as the best college team of all time (yes, of ALL time especially according to espn and their little usc vs the world specials) and all universe offense. texas, a decent but far from an all-time great defensive team, made them look less than human and confirmed to everyone east of the grand canyon that the pac 10 has better cheerleaders than they do defenses. as for white - didn't he get stoned at the goal line by a defensive back (huff?)? that simply shouldnt happen to a back that's 1/2 as great as everyone is touting him to be.

 

[Bizkiteer]

6--VD

22--Best D player available, most likely a guy who can play 3-4 OLB.

DeAngelo will not be picked at 22.

This is the truth, folks.I'm sure the Niners are targeting two or three players they can pick up here, but I don't think they are leaving the first round without a defensive player.

Fine. Maybe they get Hawk in the first. Maybe Huff. The QBs could send D'Brick or Mario their way. Maybe the assumption of Davis is in error. There is no doubt the DeAngelo love was very real. Gore has had both shoulders operated on this offseason. The way he runs it could be a big issue.The Niners also loved Chad Greenway from the Senior Bowl experience. He was the first player invited for a personal visit, iirc. So, if DeAngelo is gone, and Greenway is there, perhaps these two players were both in their pick 22 thinking in this trade.

I can see SF not going with Davis at 6, particularly if big talent drops to them there. I don't see them getting DeAngelo because of the following:-They have too many needs to be stockpiling injury-prone running backs at the top of the draft. I think Nolan is more conservative in nature. Injury-prone maybe an unfair label for Williams at this point, but it has to be on the minds of NFL teams.

-I believe Nolan is content with the stable of backs he has: Barlow, Gore and Hicks. Content, not ecstatic. I know this is difficult for the anti-Barlow contingent on these boards, but Barlow did run hard last year. Gore also ran well, though is a question mark as far as health. Hicks does well as a fill-in. As an aggregate, they will be average to above average running the ball. I know there are many who doubt this, but time will tell.

Another point, Nolan's open love of Williams at the Senior Bowl could be mis-direction hoping that the Jets or the Packers would draft their future rb in front of SF allowing other prospects to drop. Is Nolan capable of this? I don't know yet. One thing I do know, I do appreciate Bloom & Choas Commish and hold in high regard their work regarding dynasty, so I find myself in uneasy territory with an opposing view point. It'll be great to see how it goes down in a couple of weeks.

I am in the minority on this, but I see very little chance that SF takes Davis. I think it is a very real possibility that Ferguson (least likely) or Hawk fall to them at 6. If one of those guys falls, they take them. I now see the SF draft starting:1.06 - Hawk/Ferguson

1.22 - Cromartie/Allen

If so, there is no combination of those guys I don't like for them.

Hawk and Ferguson will both most likely not be there at the 6 spot, so get ready to not like it for them.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Fine.  Maybe they get Hawk in the first.  Maybe Huff.  The QBs could send D'Brick or Mario their way.  Maybe the assumption of Davis is in error.  There is no doubt the DeAngelo love was very real.  Gore has had both shoulders operated on this offseason.  The way he runs it could be a big issue.

The Niners also loved Chad Greenway from the Senior Bowl experience.  He was the first player invited for a personal visit, iirc.  So, if DeAngelo is gone, and Greenway is there, perhaps these two players were both in their pick 22 thinking in this trade.

Could they be blamed for taking DeAngelo at #6 overall? I don't think so at all.

Yes they could! As deep as RB's this draft, this would be a STUPID move. Add that they have okay RB's already there and the holes they have almost everywhere else...YES THEY COULD BE BLAMED and probably laughed at, but they have become used to that lately.

Its not as crazy as you make it out. Williams is a top 10 talent (right around the same level as the big 3 last year), only the fact most teams in the first 20 picks dont have glaring needs for RB is causing him to drop into the 20s of mocks.

 

[EastBayFunk]

I suppose you could consider me a bit of a DeAngelo Williams hater, but I think the perceived love for him is largely a result of message board hype and name recognition. I honestly don't think NFL teams will have him rated as high as most pundits do and I've noticed that some of my more trusted sources have been down on his prospects.

As far as New England goes, I think Williams fits the mold of a being a high-character prospect with a good track record of success, but I'm not sure if he's a Belichick back. The last two starters for New England have been power backs: Antowain Smith and Corey Dillon. The last real RB that New England drafted was Cedric Cobbs (another big back).

When you add it all up, I'm just not sure if Williams will really appeal to New England in the first round. He's a nice player, but he only weighed in at 207 pounds at his pro day and I've heard some rumblings about his lack of power. Based on the team's recent trends, I'd say New England is more likely to covet Maroney or White than Williams. These guys have more potential to become the kind of 220+ pound grinder that Belichick seems to prefer.

Of course, rules were made to be broken, and there's always the possibility that New England really feels like Williams is star material (though if there's one thing I've learned about New England in the draft, it's to expect the least obvious pick).

 

[jurb26]

Hawk and Ferguson will both most likely not be there at the 6 spot, so get ready to not like it for them.

All it will take is Leinert and Young going in the top 5 and yes, one of them will. Bush and Mario are sure to go top 5.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

This one trade will open the log jam. This solves Lelie and Walker. This opens up both the Packers and Broncos to wheel and deal. I now am semi erect waiting for the excitement of this draft.

If walker goes to Denver who will be able to add some additional impact at #15 how can N.E. , Indy, and the Steelers ignore the challenge, not to mention that K.C. and San Diego may feel a need to respond.

If The Packers have the 5 and two pretty tasty 2nd rounders they are going to have impact and Favre will likely be back forcing Minnesota and Chicago to make plans. If Favre decides the grass is greener elsewhere (Dallas?) that move would require Seattle, Carolina, and Dallas to respond.

With Walker gone what do the Eagles do?

This is good stuff.

I'm wondering if the Packers might package thier two second rounders and somethig else to try to get Winston Justice. Imagine if they added Hawk on D, and Justice on O.

 

[Bizkiteer]

and oh - psssssssssssssst = pac 10 defense is an oxymoron.  white = bust.   he's eating twinkies as you read this.

Missed the national championship game, huh?

umm - actually the championship game proved my point quite well. espn, every and every other media outlet touted usc as the best college team of all time (yes, of ALL time especially according to espn and their little usc vs the world specials) and all universe offense. texas, a decent but far from an all-time great defensive team, made them look less than human and confirmed to everyone east of the grand canyon that the pac 10 has better cheerleaders than they do defenses. as for white - didn't he get stoned at the goal line by a defensive back (huff?)? that simply shouldnt happen to a back that's 1/2 as great as everyone is touting him to be.

BAD EXAMPLE! Every RB has been stuffed at one time or another. I guess Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, John Riggins, Earl Campbell are not "Great" backs, huh? Did you happen to see all the other rushes that White had??? Yeah, those rushes that basically kept USC in the game for the most part...yep those!

 

[jurb26]

as for white - didn't he get stoned at the goal line by a defensive back (huff?)? that simply shouldnt happen to a back that's 1/2 as great as everyone is touting him to be.

You sure you watched the game? That play was on 4th down from near midfield to keep USCs drive alive towards the end of the game. All that talk we heard all year about how great the USC Oline was and they were flat outmatched in that game at times. Texas created penetration several times throughout the game and that play was no exception.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Somebody slap me. My fantasies are running wild.

 

[Chaos Commish]

This one trade will open the log jam. This solves Lelie and Walker. This opens up both the Packers and Broncos to wheel and deal. I now am semi erect waiting for the excitement of this draft.

According to some commercial you need to see a doctor if this lasts over four hours.

 

[toxicbees]

I highly doubt the Niners are going to take Williams at 22. If they keep both first round picks, my guess is they'll take two defensive guys in the first round. But more than likely, I believe this opens the door for them to move the 6th pick for more lower picks. Lets face it, everyone here agrees that the talent in the draft drops pretty significantly from 5 to 6.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

This one trade will open the log jam.  This solves Lelie and Walker.  This opens up both the Packers and Broncos to wheel and deal.  I now am semi erect waiting for the excitement of this draft.

According to some commercial you need to see a doctor if this lasts over four hours.

It's going to last right through the first round a week from Saturday. I'll be drinking, smoking gars, eating wings, and be getting dropped off of Cecil Lammey's call board all day long.

 

[ruelvis]

and oh - psssssssssssssst = pac 10 defense is an oxymoron.  white = bust.   he's eating twinkies as you read this.

Missed the national championship game, huh?

umm - actually the championship game proved my point quite well. espn, every and every other media outlet touted usc as the best college team of all time (yes, of ALL time especially according to espn and their little usc vs the world specials) and all universe offense. texas, a decent but far from an all-time great defensive team, made them look less than human and confirmed to everyone east of the grand canyon that the pac 10 has better cheerleaders than they do defenses. as for white - didn't he get stoned at the goal line by a defensive back (huff?)? that simply shouldnt happen to a back that's 1/2 as great as everyone is touting him to be.

BAD EXAMPLE! Every RB has been stuffed at one time or another. I guess Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, John Riggins, Earl Campbell are not "Great" backs, huh? Did you happen to see all the other rushes that White had??? Yeah, those rushes that basically kept USC in the game for the most part...yep those!

on the surface u r right, but look at the game film and you'll see that the majority of those good runs were when bush went to the other side of the field (since texas was deservedly keying on him).

IMO few nfl teams have the kinda guy that will warrant that kind of attention to give white the holes and lopsided defenses to run through. his recent impersonations of a sloth haven't done much to convince me he'll be worth a 1st or 2nd rounder.

 

[cstu]

Fine. Maybe they get Hawk in the first. Maybe Huff. The QBs could send D'Brick or Mario their way. Maybe the assumption of Davis is in error. There is no doubt the DeAngelo love was very real. Gore has had both shoulders operated on this offseason. The way he runs it could be a big issue.

The Niners also loved Chad Greenway from the Senior Bowl experience. He was the first player invited for a personal visit, iirc. So, if DeAngelo is gone, and Greenway is there, perhaps these two players were both in their pick 22 thinking in this trade.

Could they be blamed for taking DeAngelo at #6 overall? I don't think so at all.

Yes, if they believe he'll drop closer to #22. If they trade up to #20 with the Chiefs to get ahead of the Patriots I think they can get him there (assuming the Eagles don't take him at #14).

 

[jurb26]

I highly doubt the Niners are going to take Williams at 22. If they keep both first round picks, my guess is they'll take two defensive guys in the first round. But more than likely, I believe this opens the door for them to move the 6th pick for more lower picks. Lets face it, everyone here agrees that the talent in the draft drops pretty significantly from 5 to 6.

I think it drops from 6 to 7 to be honest:Bush

Williams

Ferguson

Leinert

Young

Hawk

SF should have no interest in Young or Leinert though. So if they don't go before 6, I can eaily see them trying to move down. If they both go, I think they stay and are picking between Ferguson or Hawk.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Fine.  Maybe they get Hawk in the first.  Maybe Huff.  The QBs could send D'Brick or Mario their way.  Maybe the assumption of Davis is in error.  There is no doubt the DeAngelo love was very real.  Gore has had both shoulders operated on this offseason.  The way he runs it could be a big issue.

The Niners also loved Chad Greenway from the Senior Bowl experience.  He was the first player invited for a personal visit, iirc.  So, if DeAngelo is gone, and Greenway is there, perhaps these two players were both in their pick 22 thinking in this trade.

Could they be blamed for taking DeAngelo at #6 overall? I don't think so at all.

Yes, if they believe he'll drop closer to #22. If they trade up to #20 with the Chiefs to get ahead of the Patriots I think they can get him there (assuming the Eagles don't take him at #14).

Oh, I agree. Later is better than earlier, of course.But I also think that he's talented enough to be a #6 overall pick. I'm convinced that the people saying the 49ers backfield combo of Barlow/Gore are the ones that said the same thing about the Vikings last year with Bennett/Moore/Smith. When I suggested the Vikings take one of the top 3 backs if one were available at the #7 spot, all I heard was "the Vikings are deep enough at RB. What do they need another back for?"

Well, we see how that turned out.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Oh, I agree. Later is better than earlier, of course.

But I also think that he's talented enough to be a #6 overall pick. I'm convinced that the people saying the 49ers backfield combo of Barlow/Gore are the ones that said the same thing about the Vikings last year with Bennett/Moore/Smith. When I suggested the Vikings take one of the top 3 backs if one were available at the #7 spot, all I heard was "the Vikings are deep enough at RB. What do they need another back for?"

Well, we see how that turned out.

Not to mention the Vikes would have soiled their pants if Benson was still there at 7.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Oh, I agree.  Later is better than earlier, of course.

But I also think that he's talented enough to be a #6 overall pick.  I'm convinced that the people saying the 49ers backfield combo of Barlow/Gore are the ones that said the same thing about the Vikings last year with Bennett/Moore/Smith.  When I suggested the Vikings take one of the top 3 backs if one were available at the #7 spot, all I heard was "the Vikings are deep enough at RB.  What do they need another back for?"

Well, we see how that turned out.

Not to mention the Vikes would have soiled their pants if Benson was still there at 7.

It was not a foregone conclusion at the time that they'd take a back if one were there.

 

[TheFanatic]

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And we are alrady at the bottom of the 3rd page and still going strong.....This is some great news for those of us just itching for the draft to start. I needed some news like this....

 

[AnonymousBob]

Am I the only one who thinks the Niners would be fools to pass on Hawk/Ferguson in favor of Davis?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Am I the only one who thinks the Niners would be fools to pass on Hawk/Ferguson in favor of Davis?

Hawk maybe.

 

[facook]

Am I the only one who thinks the Niners would be fools to pass on Hawk/Ferguson in favor of Davis?

Hawk maybe.

I'm higher on Davis than Hawk. ESPN's Mark Schlerreth is convinced that Hawk is a bit too stiff to really excell as an all-around NFL LB. Of course, he's just one guy, but I tend to think that Hawk is more hype than substance. Ferguson, OTOH, is a foundational rock that probably should be rated above just about anyone on the 49ers draft chart.

 

[Courtjester]

Just to get the timeline right, what date can player trading begin?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Am I the only one who thinks the Niners would be fools to pass on Hawk/Ferguson in favor of Davis?

Hawk maybe.

I'm higher on Davis than Hawk. ESPN's Mark Schlerreth is convinced that Hawk is a bit too stiff to really excell as an all-around NFL LB. Of course, he's just one guy, but I tend to think that Hawk is more hype than substance. Ferguson, OTOH, is a foundational rock that probably should be rated above just about anyone on the 49ers draft chart.

Hawk stiff? Are we talking about the same guy who had short shuttle and 3 cone drill times that would have been elite even if he was a running back?

 

[Warpig]

Am I the only one who thinks the Niners would be fools to pass on Hawk/Ferguson in favor of Davis?

Hawk maybe.

I'm higher on Davis than Hawk. ESPN's Mark Schlerreth is convinced that Hawk is a bit too stiff to really excell as an all-around NFL LB. Of course, he's just one guy, but I tend to think that Hawk is more hype than substance. Ferguson, OTOH, is a foundational rock that probably should be rated above just about anyone on the 49ers draft chart.

Hawk stiff? Are we talking about the same guy who had short shuttle and 3 cone drill times that would have been elite even if he was a running back?

Schlereth's credibility just dropped a few notches.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

I suppose you could consider me a bit of a DeAngelo Williams hater, but I think the perceived love for him is largely a result of message board hype and name recognition. I honestly don't think NFL teams will have him rated as high as most pundits do and I've noticed that some of my more trusted sources have been down on his prospects.

As far as New England goes, I think Williams fits the mold of a being a high-character prospect with a good track record of success, but I'm not sure if he's a Belichick back. The last two starters for New England have been power backs: Antowain Smith and Corey Dillon. The last real RB that New England drafted was Cedric Cobbs (another big back).

When you add it all up, I'm just not sure if Williams will really appeal to New England in the first round. He's a nice player, but he only weighed in at 207 pounds at his pro day and I've heard some rumblings about his lack of power. Based on the team's recent trends, I'd say New England is more likely to covet Maroney or White than Williams. These guys have more potential to become the kind of 220+ pound grinder that Belichick seems to prefer.

Of course, rules were made to be broken, and there's always the possibility that New England really feels like Williams is star material (though if there's one thing I've learned about New England in the draft, it's to expect the least obvious pick).

Have you watched Deangelo run the ball?

 

[msommer]

Am I the only one who thinks the Niners would be fools to pass on Hawk/Ferguson in favor of Davis?

Hawk maybe.

If NO doesn't pick Ferguson - could the niners be trying to trade up with the Titans for Brick. Not up to speed on their line so mybe this is a dumb suggestion.

 

[EastBayFunk]

I suppose you could consider me a bit of a DeAngelo Williams hater, but I think the perceived love for him is largely a result of message board hype and name recognition. I honestly don't think NFL teams will have him rated as high as most pundits do and I've noticed that some of my more trusted sources have been down on his prospects.

As far as New England goes, I think Williams fits the mold of a being a high-character prospect with a good track record of success, but I'm not sure if he's a Belichick back. The last two starters for New England have been power backs: Antowain Smith and Corey Dillon. The last real RB that New England drafted was Cedric Cobbs (another big back).

When you add it all up, I'm just not sure if Williams will really appeal to New England in the first round. He's a nice player, but he only weighed in at 207 pounds at his pro day and I've heard some rumblings about his lack of power. Based on the team's recent trends, I'd say New England is more likely to covet Maroney or White than Williams. These guys have more potential to become the kind of 220+ pound grinder that Belichick seems to prefer.

Of course, rules were made to be broken, and there's always the possibility that New England really feels like Williams is star material (though if there's one thing I've learned about New England in the draft, it's to expect the least obvious pick).

Have you watched Deangelo run the ball?

Yep.Williams is an odd case. He was immensely productive at a mediocre program, his workout numbers were very strong, and he did well at the Senior Bowl. All the signs say he's going to be a pretty good pro RB, but I still can't shake this feeling that he's not quite worth the hype.

When it comes down to it, he just doesn't jump out to me like I'd expect an elite RB prospect to do. He's quick and he has deceptive speed, but he looks small and I'm not sure if his game translates well to the NFL level.

 

[jurb26]

Am I the only one who thinks the Niners would be fools to pass on Hawk/Ferguson in favor of Davis?

I totally agree!

 

[Rovers]

Why in the world would SF take Ferguson (if he's there) at 6??? They have one of the highest paid LT's in the NFL coming back off an early injury last year in Jennings. What SF desperately needs is a RT. At 22, they can get a very good one, ready to start. They may have wanted to jump the Jets at 29 for that RT, another team in dire need of a RT. I just don't see SF paying over 10 mil a year for bookend OT's.

Davis, Huff, Hawk are all resonable possibilities at 6. Ferguson just isn't, no way.

 

[msommer]

Why in the world would SF take Ferguson (if he's there) at 6??? They have one of the highest paid LT's in the NFL coming back off an early injury last year in Jennings. What SF desperately needs is a RT. At 22, they can get a very good one, ready to start. They may have wanted to jump the Jets at 29 for that RT, another team in dire need of a RT. I just don't see SF paying over 10 mil a year for bookend OT's.

Davis, Huff, Hawk are all resonable possibilities at 6. Ferguson just isn't, no way.

As posted above I am not up to speed an the line and forgot about Jennings. Alternatively they could move up to #4 for Hawk, but you are right there should be talent at #22

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

I suppose you could consider me a bit of a DeAngelo Williams hater, but I think the perceived love for him is largely a result of message board hype and name recognition. I honestly don't think NFL teams will have him rated as high as most pundits do and I've noticed that some of my more trusted sources have been down on his prospects.

As far as New England goes, I think Williams fits the mold of a being a high-character prospect with a good track record of success, but I'm not sure if he's a Belichick back. The last two starters for New England have been power backs: Antowain Smith and Corey Dillon. The last real RB that New England drafted was Cedric Cobbs (another big back).

When you add it all up, I'm just not sure if Williams will really appeal to New England in the first round. He's a nice player, but he only weighed in at 207 pounds at his pro day and I've heard some rumblings about his lack of power. Based on the team's recent trends, I'd say New England is more likely to covet Maroney or White than Williams. These guys have more potential to become the kind of 220+ pound grinder that Belichick seems to prefer.

Of course, rules were made to be broken, and there's always the possibility that New England really feels like Williams is star material (though if there's one thing I've learned about New England in the draft, it's to expect the least obvious pick).

Have you watched Deangelo run the ball?

Yep.

I would think you'd have a different opinion then, guess not. I've only watched myabe 6 of his games, but frankly he reminds me quite a bit of LT2. I for one think he is going to be an absolute stud, epecially if he lands on a quality team like NE. Guess we'll see next Sat what teams think of him.

 

[EastBayFunk]

I would think you'd have a different opinion then, guess not. I've only watched myabe 6 of his games, but frankly he reminds me quite a bit of LT2. I for one think he is going to be an absolute stud, epecially if he lands on a quality team like NE. Guess we'll see next Sat what teams think of him.

I've heard the Tomlinson comparison tossed around, and I just don't see it. Williams reminds me a little bit of Barry Sanders and Domanick Davis. He has the same stubby legs and deceptive speed, but he's not as powerful as Davis or as explosive as Sanders. In some ways, he's a 'tweener who may not be suited to full-time duty in the NFL (kind of like DD). I think he looks good on film, but I don't think he appears significantly better than the second tier backs.

 

[facook]

Why in the world would SF take Ferguson (if he's there) at 6??? They have one of the highest paid LT's in the NFL coming back off an early injury last year in Jennings. What SF desperately needs is a RT. At 22, they can get a very good one, ready to start. They may have wanted to jump the Jets at 29 for that RT, another team in dire need of a RT. I just don't see SF paying over 10 mil a year for bookend OT's.

Davis, Huff, Hawk are all resonable possibilities at 6. Ferguson just isn't, no way.

Have to disagree. Most successful NFL front offices seem to draft BPA in the first round, rather than for need (Patriots, Ravens, etc.). If the 49ers rate Ferguson ahead of Davis, Huff, Hawk, he makes plenty of sense. Kwame Harris obviously isn't a great lineman - move D'Brick or Jennings to RT and have a pair of very good - great tackles. With a line of Ferguson, Larry Allen, David Baas, Justin Smiley/Adam Snyder, and Jennings (L-R) the 49ers would be a VERY effective running offense, and have very good pass protection as well.In short, I believe Nolan needs to take BPA (minus QB for salary cap reasons), and to me that list would be Ferguson, Davis, Hawk, Huff.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Oddly the 9ers OL is not a weak spot. They're very high on Adam Snyder who played decently at LT last season. He's perfectly suited to RT for the long run. It's Davis, Hawk, or Huff, imo.

 

[Rovers]

Why in the world would SF take Ferguson (if he's there) at 6??? They have one of the highest paid LT's in the NFL coming back off an early injury last year in Jennings. What SF desperately needs is a RT. At 22, they can get a very good one, ready to start. They may have wanted to jump the Jets at 29 for that RT, another team in dire need of a RT.  I just don't see SF paying over 10 mil a year for bookend OT's.

Davis, Huff, Hawk are all resonable possibilities at 6. Ferguson just isn't, no way.

Have to disagree. Most successful NFL front offices seem to draft BPA in the first round, rather than for need (Patriots, Ravens, etc.). If the 49ers rate Ferguson ahead of Davis, Huff, Hawk, he makes plenty of sense. Kwame Harris obviously isn't a great lineman - move D'Brick or Jennings to RT and have a pair of very good - great tackles. With a line of Ferguson, Larry Allen, David Baas, Justin Smiley/Adam Snyder, and Jennings (L-R) the 49ers would be a VERY effective running offense, and have very good pass protection as well.In short, I believe Nolan needs to take BPA (minus QB for salary cap reasons), and to me that list would be Ferguson, Davis, Hawk, Huff.

Do you realise at this point in his career, that Ferguson is actually a slightly below average run blocker? He has ONE position, and one position only.... LT. Yes, BAP is always imprtant in the top ten, but what is the separation between the available players? Drafting Ferguson would make as much sense as taking Leinart. But, according to you, if Leinart is at the top of their BAP, they should take him anyway? The thing that you seem to think, that Ferguson could be just as good a RT as a LT, is perhaps why I say you are dead wrong. They need (just like the Jets) a dominant run blocking RT, and that isn't Jennings OR Ferguson. They can pick up a Justice or a Winston at 22, and improve the team much more than getting a guy at 6 to play out of position. That would be like SD taking an RB with their first round pick.... it makes NO sense to me whatsoever.

You sit there and say no QB due to the cap, but are willing to tie up millions and millions in two OLT's? When you don't have to? They need so much help, a redundant pick like that, and Nolan should be fired on the spot, period.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I've heard the Tomlinson comparison tossed around, and I just don't see it. Williams reminds me a little bit of Barry Sanders and Domanick Davis. He has the same stubby legs and deceptive speed, but he's not as powerful as Davis or as explosive as Sanders. In some ways, he's a 'tweener who may not be suited to full-time duty in the NFL (kind of like DD). I think he looks good on film, but I don't think he appears significantly better than the second tier backs.

You're projecting your opinion into the 49ers decision making process though. Whether you like it or not, they love DeAngelo.

 

[Rovers]

Oddly the 9ers OL is not a weak spot. They're very high on Adam Snyder who played decently at LT last season. He's perfectly suited to RT for the long run. It's Davis, Hawk, or Huff, imo.

VERY high on Snyder? He did OK last year, but I still think SF needs another OT, maybe one that is suited for both sides, LT and RT, because they have zero depth, even if Snyder works out. But, on point, that guy isn't Ferguson.