Denver DST going forward (1 Viewer)

[cpstorm]

Can someone elaborate on this for me? I dont understand this ranking. Consider their next few weeks:

@Colts

vs Chargers

Bye

Steelers

Packers

???????

I am playing Houston this week vs ATL (rewarded most for sacks and INTs) instead of Denver vs Indy. This is NOT a WDIS but rather a head scratcher from FBG that I want some logical explanation as backup...

 

[cpstorm]

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[DspSphinx]

Denver's D is going to struggle all year. Sure they have two great Corner Backs but that doesn't mean a thing if they can't get any pressure in rushing the QB. Jacksonville had all day to throw the ball and eventually someone will come open. Manning will pick the defense apart next week (as he has done everytime he has played Denver). In my opinion, this is one of the worst Defenses Denver has had recently. And this is coming from a huge Bronco fan and Season ticket holder. I've accepted that this will be only a mediocre year for the Broncos. We are just lucky we are playing in the same division with KC and Oakland and that San Diego is struggling. We could easily (if not should) be 0 -3.

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Also, I don't know if anyone noticed in last weeks game that they put Champ on the line in an attempt to stop the run. That says something about their Defense if they have to resort to putting him on the line to try and stop the run.

 

[shredhead]

Denver's D is going to struggle all year. Sure they have two great Corner Backs but that doesn't mean a thing if they can't get any pressure in rushing the QB. Jacksonville had all day to throw the ball and eventually someone will come open. Manning will pick the defense apart next week (as he has done everytime he has played Denver). In my opinion, this is one of the worst Defenses Denver has had recently. And this is coming from a huge Bronco fan and Season ticket holder. I've accepted that this will be only a mediocre year for the Broncos. We are just lucky we are playing in the same division with KC and Oakland and that San Diego is struggling. We could easily (if not should) be 0 -3.

From one Bronco fan to another, I agree with you almost completely. Denver will do OK against the less mobile QB's that they face because of the strong CB play of Champ and Dre. Garrard is very mobile and Denver struggled because he was able to elude the little pressure that there was. While the pass rush is an issue (and I think that will get better as the young linemen mature), the bigger issue has been Denver's inability to stop the run this year. We miss Al Wilson a ton.

 

[DspSphinx]

Denver's D is going to struggle all year. Sure they have two great Corner Backs but that doesn't mean a thing if they can't get any pressure in rushing the QB. Jacksonville had all day to throw the ball and eventually someone will come open. Manning will pick the defense apart next week (as he has done everytime he has played Denver). In my opinion, this is one of the worst Defenses Denver has had recently. And this is coming from a huge Bronco fan and Season ticket holder. I've accepted that this will be only a mediocre year for the Broncos. We are just lucky we are playing in the same division with KC and Oakland and that San Diego is struggling. We could easily (if not should) be 0 -3.

From one Bronco fan to another, I agree with you almost completely. Denver will do OK against the less mobile QB's that they face because of the strong CB play of Champ and Dre. Garrard is very mobile and Denver struggled because he was able to elude the little pressure that there was. While the pass rush is an issue (and I think that will get better as the young linemen mature), the bigger issue has been Denver's inability to stop the run this year. We miss Al Wilson a ton.

I have to agree with you on the Wilson statement. DJ Williams is stuggling in the middle and Lynch has lost a step. Lynch had several mis-tackles in the game (before he got hurt). With that, their run defense has definately not lived up to expectations.

 

[Texican]

So why the FBG #5 ranking?

 

[DspSphinx]

So why the FBG #5 ranking?

I can't answer that due to the fact that I do not agree with the ranking either.

 

[kensat30]

It's the first year in new DC Jim Bates' system. There is a proven track there, it just takes some time.

 

[Scorehoard]

Let's back this up..... I guess I'm confused at where the lack of play is coming from?? I have not seen any Broncos games but I would think the secondary is where the #5 rank is weighing. The D line struggling w/ QB pressure and stopping run, LBs or the Secondary?? Where is the breakdown...

 

[Texican]

 

[DspSphinx]

Let's back this up..... I guess I'm confused at where the lack of play is coming from?? I have not seen any Broncos games but I would think the secondary is where the #5 rank is weighing. The D line struggling w/ QB pressure and stopping run, LBs or the Secondary?? Where is the breakdown...

The breakdown in the LB position is at Middle. DJ Williams was moved from weak side to Middle with the departure of Al Wilson. He has struggled in his transition to this position by being out of position on some plays and missing tackles. Al Wilson played a major role and supporting the run defense when he was here and DJ Williams has struggled is offering run support. In the secondary they have two outstanding corner back with Champ and Dre' but again the breakdown is in the middle with Fergusen and Lynch. Lynch is finally starting to show his age. He is a great hitter but struggles in making those open field tackles. And Fergusen is mediocre at best. Plus they are lacking in depth at both LB and in the secondary.

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

 

[Judge Smails]

The only value the Denver D has is if they get a big lead and force other teams to throw. That's it. Otherwise, teams will run all day and Bailey/Bly will be making tackles after 10 yard runs instead of going for picks. I hate having D's that can't stop the run.

 

[cpstorm]

any staffers care to elaborate?

Good info from the homers though. Thanks

 

[richn]

Shanahan doesn't even trust them, he went on 4th and 6 from his OWN 9 with 4:30 left down by 6 this past Sunday. If he didn't trust them to get a stop while the Jags were going to run clock, I WOULDN'T TRUST THEM EITHER.

 

[Texican]

any staffers care to elaborate?Good info from the homers though. Thanks

 

[SSOG]

Generally, fantasy defensive scoring is mostly a result of turnovers and sacks. When it comes to turnovers, INTs are much more reliable than fumbles. As a result, a good and quick way to rank fantasy defenses is by INTs and sacks- or basically just on passing defense.

Denver has Bailey/Bly, the best and most opportunistic CB tandem in the NFL. Denver is currently ranked 7th in the league in INTs. According to Football Outsiders, Denver is 2nd in the league in adjusted sack rate (sacks per passing play faced, basically). Denver has an ABSURD number of playmakers on defense, starting with Bailey and Bly and extending to Simeon Rice, Elvis Dumervil, Jarvis Moss, and Marcus Thomas. This might not be a top-5 NFL defense, but I could easily see them scoring insanely well in the two categories that are the most predictable indicators of quality fantasy defenses.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

The only value the Denver D has is if they get a big lead and force other teams to throw. That's it. Otherwise, teams will run all day and Bailey/Bly will be making tackles after 10 yard runs instead of going for picks. I hate having D's that can't stop the run.

This defense has a lot of talent and playmakers on the squad but if they don't figure out how to stop the run they're not going to be a good fantasy D. There's really nothing worse for a fantasy defense than the other team lining up and constantly running the ball down their throat.

 

[War Eagle]

Denver is currently #1 in the NFL with 88.3 passing yards allowed per game. They are also #3 in total yards with 254.3 allowed. Giving up only 19 points per game.

The run Def however is #29 with 166. If they can get Lynch back healthy next week, he'll help with the run D.

I'd say their rank is fully justified with their pass DEF alone!

 

[Marc Levin]

Generally, fantasy defensive scoring is mostly a result of turnovers and sacks. When it comes to turnovers, INTs are much more reliable than fumbles. As a result, a good and quick way to rank fantasy defenses is by INTs and sacks- or basically just on passing defense.

Denver is currently #1 in the NFL with 88.3 passing yards allowed per game. They are also #3 in total yards with 254.3 allowed. Giving up only 19 points per game.

I'd hang my hat on these two posts as the reason David ranked the Broncos' D where it is. Going forward, under FBG scoring, that is probably how he projected it out. Low scores and turnovers are reassonable when the team still faces KC X 2 and Oak X 2 and the Chargers' O has not been as prolific as last year.

 

[Texican]

May be time to re-evaluate

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

Denver D has turned it around in the last couple of games (at least from a fantasy perspective).

Looking for some homer input if it had to do with the competition (KC, Ten) or if they have implemented some modifications to their scheme.

Next three weeks they face CHI, KC, and OAK, so they could be a decent pickup if their performance over the last two weeks is not a mirage.

 

[Dulymus Mudhounds]

I really like what I've seen the past couple of weeks. Thinking about dropping Balt since their next 3 games are Chargers (although a pretty good matchup since Rivers is horrible this year), the Patriots and the Colts.

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[GOroute]

I really like what I've seen the past couple of weeks. Thinking about dropping Balt since their next 3 games are Chargers (although a pretty good matchup since Rivers is horrible this year), the Patriots and the Colts.mud

Yuk! those are tough matchups. think i might have to do away with the ravens...

 

[SSOG]

Denver D has turned it around in the last couple of games (at least from a fantasy perspective).Looking for some homer input if it had to do with the competition (KC, Ten) or if they have implemented some modifications to their scheme.Next three weeks they face CHI, KC, and OAK, so they could be a decent pickup if their performance over the last two weeks is not a mirage.

There were some schematic changes put into place in the bye week which have made a pretty dramatic difference, although the team is still giving up yards and first downs in chunks, which would be a bit worrisome for me if I were using them against any offense that wasn't rather inept.

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

Denver D has turned it around in the last couple of games (at least from a fantasy perspective).

Looking for some homer input if it had to do with the competition (KC, Ten) or if they have implemented some modifications to their scheme.

Next three weeks they face CHI, KC, and OAK, so they could be a decent pickup if their performance over the last two weeks is not a mirage.

There were some schematic changes put into place in the bye week which have made a pretty dramatic difference, although the team is still giving up yards and first downs in chunks, which would be a bit worrisome for me if I were using them against any offense that wasn't rather inept.

The bold terms are synonyms, in my view. And with old Rexy boy at the helm of the Bears, anything can happen.

 

[Dulymus Mudhounds]

Just dropped Baltimore for the Broncos. Also have Detroit.

Broncos will play Chicago, Raiders, Chiefs, Texans and Chargers

Detroit will play Packers, Vikings, Cowboys, Chargers, Chiefs

We start the playoffs in week 15 so I will be going:

Broncos vs. Chicago

Broncos vs. Raider

Broncos vs. Chiefs

Broncos vs. texans

Detroit vs. Chiefs

Baltimores schedule was brutal leading up to the playoffs in week 15, and the Broncos definitely have a better chance to score points than Baltimore does.

Here's to hoping this bold move pays off!

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