Denver RBs (1 Viewer)

[Red Apples]

Lets go on the record.

At the end of last year, after being eliminted from the playoffs, I dropped Mike Anderson and grabbed Ron Dayne.

This is the same type of reasoning that ended up getting me Thomas Jones and Lary Johnson, so why not take a flyier on Dayne.

Ron Dayne will be the new Mike Anderson for the Broncos and Tatum Bell will be the same old Tatum Bell.

The only wrinkle here is what happens IF Barlow goes to Denver and I'm guessing he stays in San Fran.

 

[chedha]

Whoever wins the camp battle..

 

[Red Apples]

tatum bell running away w/ an early lead. but my guess is this is the only thing that bell will beat dayne for in 2006.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

No Cedric Cobbs?

Cecil Sapp...?

 

[J R]

i don't think ron dayne = the new mike anderson. this is a mischaracterization based simply on the fact that dayne is bigger than bell. so far in his career he's been criticized for not being able to do basically what bell is always criticized for not being able to do: consistently get positive yards.

also, as far as whether or not Bell can handle the load or not, there's nothing much to this argument but speculation and poor understanding of statistics. i'd say right now he's at the least #1 by default.

 

[jurb26]

also, as far as whether or not Bell can handle the load or not, there's nothing much to this argument but speculation and poor understanding of statistics. i'd say right now he's at the least #1 by default.

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Wasn't this the assumption that was also made last year.... incorrectly.

 

[J R]

Wasn't this the assumption that was also made last year.... incorrectly.

if i remember correctly, last year they had mike anderson, and now he plays for someone else.

 

[jurb26]

Wasn't this the assumption that was also made last year.... incorrectly.

if i remember correctly, last year they had mike anderson, and now he plays for someone else.
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:whoosh:

 

[Chris Smith]

I believe if it stays Dayne and Bell that Dayne will get slightly more of a workload over Bell but that Bell will ultimately average more YPC, have more big plays and finish with the most rushing yards.

Something like this

Bell - 180 carries for 935 yards and 7 touchdowns

Dayne - 210 carries for 861 yards and 7 touchdowns

 

[fsufan]

Are we talking about the same Ron Dayne?

The Dayne I know has done NOTHING in the NFL.

Hell he was inactive ifor a few game last year and I think for all the playoff games.

 

[J R]

easy there, jurb, what i meant--which perhaps whooshed you, are we having a clickable smilie off here?--is that just because mike anderson beat out tatum bell doesn't mean ron dayne will.

the argument for dayne so far seems to assume that mike anderson was #1 ahead of tatum bell last year simply because bell can't hack it. but what if anderson was #1 not because of something bell can't do but because of some positive attribute mike anderson brings to the field? in that case, why should i assume dayne = anderson?

 

[J R]

Something like thisBell - 180 carries for 935 yards and 7 touchdownsDayne - 210 carries for 861 yards and 7 touchdowns

that comes out to almost exactly 11 carries per game for Bell. were you influenced by the splits from last year in making that projection?

 

[jurb26]

easy there, jurb, what i meant--which perhaps whooshed you, are we having a clickable smilie off here?--is that just because mike anderson beat out tatum bell doesn't mean ron dayne will.

the argument for dayne so far seems to assume that mike anderson was #1 ahead of tatum bell last year simply because bell can't hack it. but what if anderson was #1 not because of something bell can't do but because of some positive attribute mike anderson brings to the field? in that case, why should i assume dayne = anderson?

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The reason I "whooshed" you was two fold. One, because there was a preemptive notion last year that Bells talent and ability basically birth righted him the starting job. This notion in fact turned out to be false. My response was to what again appears to be that notion with this quote:
i'd say right now he's at the least #1 by default.Saying Bell is the starter by default reminds me an awful lot of last years assumptions that he would be as well.The second reason I gave you the "whoosh" was simply becasue I think its funny as hell.

 

[Chris Smith]

I'm more influenced by what I perceive as frustration shown by coach Shanahan when it comes to Bell and his positive praise throughout last season and this off-season for Ron Dayne who is in much better shape than he was throughout his earlier career and in a situation much more suited to his unique skills.

I have the same issues as projecting Dayne as everyone else does but we could be seeing a Craig 'Ironhead' Heyward resurgence in Dayne (Ironhead rushed for over 1,000 yards with the Falcons in 1995 after seven seasons of futility)

 

[Sopranos]

None of those guys will.

 

[Chris Smith]

None of those guys will.

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I think for the sake of this exercise we should go with the three listed. Unless you think it will be somebody else currently on the roster.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

None of those guys will.

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I think for the sake of this exercise we should go with the three listed. Unless you think it will be somebody else currently on the roster.
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Barlow is on the Broncos' roster?

 

[Chris Smith]

None of those guys will.

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I think for the sake of this exercise we should go with the three listed. Unless you think it will be somebody else currently on the roster.
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Barlow is on the Broncos' roster?
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Sorry no. However he has been rumored to be going to the Broncos as of late. That's what I meant.

 

[Red Apples]

once again, it seems like the majority of FGs seem to believe in Bell, which I certainly do not, but its interesting to see where we stand as a group.

i havent seen tatum do a damn thing and yes we have to go back a bit for Dayne but there is little doubt that Dayne did at one point in the past have the talent and where better to go then to Denver to capitalize on that.

the way the broncos teach their backs to run is right up daynes alley, hit the whole make one cut and go.

this is the year of the great dayne.

 

[J R]

once again, it seems like the majority of FGs seem to believe in Bell

it does?? he's neck and neck with ron dayne of all guys in this poll.

i havent seen tatum do a damn thing

huh.

unique skills.

i'm not sure about that, but i'm willing to entertain the theory. what i was reacting to earlier is that it seems like people assume just because mike anderson was ahead of bell last year that someone else will be ahead of him this year. it's as if no one really believes mike anderson is good.

 

[fsufan]

Also, didn't Barlow get his shot at being a #1 RB the past 2 years and he did nothing with it. What would Shanny want with him. And I know about the commnet Shanny made about Barlow coming out of college.

After 8 years of playing FF, I believe players after about 5 or 6 years become what they are (starters, back up, role player or career journey man). Barlow and Dyane have had their opportunity and they did nothing with it. It is Bell’s turn.

 

[fsufan]

i havent seen tatum do a damn thing

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2005 stats

184 atts

972 yards

5.3 APC

132 rec yards

8 TDs

 

[J R]

Also, didn't Barlow get his shot at being a #1 RB the past 2 years and he did nothing with it. What would Shanny want with him. And I know about the commnet Shanny made about Barlow coming out of college.After 8 years of playing FF, I believe players after about 5 or 6 years become what they are (starters, back up, role player or career journey man). Barlow and Dyane have had their opportunity and they did nothing with it. It is Bell’s turn.

Great post. posts.

 

[happy_donut]

No Cedric Cobbs?

Cecil Sapp...?

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[Dr. Malo]

barlow is no longer a Bronco. You should have Dayne, T. Bell, M. Bell, Cobbs and Sapp.

 

[Sopranos]

barlow is no longer a Bronco. You should have Dayne, T. Bell, M. Bell, Cobbs and Sapp.

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Yep,and you need to draft all 5 to have a good RB..Dont trust the Rat...NEVER

 

[nygiants56]

it's off base, but TJ would be a perfect fit for the Bronco's offense..he's been making trade demands lately...

maybe Shanny calls Chicago?!?

 

[Banger]

Question for Bronc fans...does anyone know if Dayne can block? That is a big question in my mind as to who will win the battle and was a factor in MA starting last year. MA was a much better blocker than Bell and although Tatum has gotten better he still isn't great. If Dayne can't block I would see this as a positive for Bell's potential playing time.

Another issue Bell had was catching the ball out of the backfield which MA was also better at. Can Dayne catch the ball? My recollection is no. This is the way I see it and it may be simplistic....

explosiveness/talent - Bell

short yardage - Dayne

consistency - (Bell hasn't been good here but the jury is out on Dayne IMO)

pass blocking - ??

receiving - ??

If Bell is better than Dayne in the receiving and pass blocking dept I think it will be hard to keep him off the field.

 

[SSOG]

I don't get all of these Barlow rumors. It sounds to me like a case of someone saying "Denver should trade for Barlow" and everyone running with it like it was an actual scenario. I frequent every major reputable news outlet that covers the Broncos and I haven't heard a whiff of any Kevan Barlow rumors. Jamal Lewis, yes. A vague passing mention of Ricky Williams, sure. Kevan Barlow, nope.

No Cedric Cobbs?

Cecil Sapp...?

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Cecil Sapp is the backup fullback, and Shanahan likes him there. I don't think he's seriously being considered at all for the RB slot. That said, Denver picked up an undrafted rookie named Mike Bell who deserves mention, too.Right now the RBs on Denver's roster are Dayne, Tatum Bell, Cobbs, and Mike Bell.

i don't think ron dayne = the new mike anderson. this is a mischaracterization based simply on the fact that dayne is bigger than bell. so far in his career he's been criticized for not being able to do basically what bell is always criticized for not being able to do: consistently get positive yards.

also, as far as whether or not Bell can handle the load or not, there's nothing much to this argument but speculation and poor understanding of statistics. i'd say right now he's at the least #1 by default.

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You can say that all you want. Denver's front office says otherwise. I think they know a little bit more about you on the situation.According to Denver's front office, Bell is currently remaining in his ~12 carries a game role, and Dayne is stepping into Anderson's role. This isn't my opinion, this is Ted Sundquist's opinion, and since he's the General Manager of the Denver Broncos, I'd say his opinion carries some weight.

Question for Bronc fans...does anyone know if Dayne can block?  That is a big question in my mind as to who will win the battle and was a factor in MA starting last year.  MA was a much better blocker than Bell and although Tatum has gotten better he still isn't great.  If Dayne can't block I would see this as a positive for Bell's potential playing time. 

Another issue Bell had was catching the ball out of the backfield which MA was also better at.  Can Dayne catch the ball?  My recollection is no.  This is the way I see it and it may be simplistic....

explosiveness/talent - Bell

short yardage - Dayne

consistency - (Bell hasn't been good here but the jury is out on Dayne IMO)

pass blocking - ??

receiving - ??

If Bell is better than Dayne in the receiving and pass blocking dept I think it will be hard to keep him off the field.

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Dayne's a better blocker than Bell, but you're looking at this situation all wrong.Denver is going to run the ball 25-30 times a game. Shanahan is leery of giving Bell more than 10 or 12 carries (he said so himself). Ted Sundquist thinks that Bell is best used by being conserved and limited to single-digit carries (he said so himself). This leaves a lot of carries unaccounted for. Enter Ron Dayne (like Mike Anderson last season).

 

[SSOG]

This also reminds me of the poll last season. Bell ran away with that one, too.

I don't know how much clearer I can make this. Mike Shanahan and Ted Sundquist, the two biggest decision-makers in the Broncos organization, have both gone on record saying that they want to limit Tatum Bell's carries. There's no speculation involved here- according to everyone with any say at all in the decision making process, Bell will not be the #1 RB next season.

 

[CA_7]

Cecil Sapp is the backup fullback, and Shanahan likes him there. I don't think he's seriously being considered at all for the RB slot.

Is that the same situation Droughns started with?

 

[P Boy]

Cecil Sapp is the backup fullback, and Shanahan likes him there. I don't think he's seriously being considered at all for the RB slot.

Is that the same situation Droughns started with?

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I'm still trying to figure out where all the Cecil Sapp love comes from every year. Every year a few people pimp him, and every year it is explained that he is a backup FB & a special teamer, not a RB.DEN would have to suffer RB injuries of mammoth proportions to have Sapp line up anytime in the backfield in a meaningful game while the outcome is still in doubt. Now, that has happened before, and Mike Anderson was the benefactor both times, but as a FF owner, you're waiting for lightening to strike the same tree a 3rd time.

 

[SSOG]

Cecil Sapp is the backup fullback, and Shanahan likes him there. I don't think he's seriously being considered at all for the RB slot.

Is that the same situation Droughns started with?

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Yes, that was the same situation Droughns started in. He was behind Mike Anderson, Quentin Griffin, Tatum Bell, and Garrison Hearst. Anderson, Hearst, and Bell all got injured in the preseason, which means by the time the season started, Droughns was the #2 tailback.If you expect Ron Dayne, Cedric Cobbs, and Mike Bell to all get injured during the preseason, then Cedric Cobbs will step right into the Reuben Droughns role.