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Derek Chauvin trial. Murder of George Floyd. Convictions now appealed. (2 Viewers)
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Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Just caught the end of it. They were talking about a previous Floyd arrest on tape a year earlier. What was that about?
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Wow..so many things on both sides that could have been different.shadrap said:
Dennis Castro
Footballguy
Sorry, the third witness was a bystander who just happened to be an MMA fighter and former wrestler. His testimony revolved mostly around holds, pressure points, etc. and the risks involved with certain restraint techniques. He was treated as an expert witness, though not specifically declared as such. I don’t think the defense knew he was going to testify about anything beyond being a bystander. I’m surprised they didn’t challenge the line of questioning.
Dennis Castro
Footballguy
He was noncompliant during a traffic stop and darn near got himself shot for not following instructions and showing his hands.
Prosecution wanted that video to be inadmissible, but the judge will allow it.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
It was an encounter that had a lot of similarities to the 2020 arrest. Not complying with LE requests, claiming he couldn't breath, acting confused and distressed, and finally ingesting drugs. He was hospitalized.
Zow
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
Yeah normally something like that would have had to have been formally disclosed. Also, I have to imagine the defense interviewed the witness ahead of time.
I'm typing this based only on what I've read in this thread but this issue seems genuinely strange to me.
glvsav37
Footballguy
I love how he went fishing that afternoon and then went home to suffocate the fish and watched their eyes roll into the back of their heads. Then ironically watched GF do the same.
This whole part of the testimony seems really ironic. There is something a little too "fishy" in his story.
Then he went to the store "for some air"
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glvsav37
Footballguy
One of his biggest things was that he called out the hold that the officer was using by name. I think its a blood choke or something like that. I recall him saying that Chauvin did not acknowledge anyone in the crowd until that was said, implying that he realized someone knew the hold may be illegal (IDK if it was).
If you watch the video of the event posted earlier in the thread, you can pick out this witness saying that.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
A lot of objections from both sides this morning. Some overruled, some sustained. There were a lot of instructions from the judge to the MMA witness on how to answer. and a lot of instructions to the jury about responses to disregard. A lot of side bars. Everyone was calm but it sort of seemed chaotic.
Next four jurors won't be on video and names not broadcast due to their (young) age.
Next four jurors won't be on video and names not broadcast due to their (young) age.
Bucsfan5493
Footballguy
I had to stop watching after about a half hour. The defense's arguments were so ridiculous and insanely dumb I couldn't keep watching without getting angry.
Zow
Footballguy
What are they "arguing" at this point? My understanding is that we're into witness testimony.
The General
Footballguy
There’s no getting past the 9 minutes knee on neck. Hadn’t watched anything about this since last summer and just watched a bit of the coverage online.
zoonation
Footballguy
I think they are going for the narrative that the officers didn’t move because they were scared of the crowd. I do t get it really either.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I’m no lawyer, but I’ve watched enough law and order
to know that some of this testimony should not be allowed
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Bucsfan5493
Footballguy
The defense lawyer was questioning the black MMA fighter who was a witness. All of his questions had absolutely nothing to do with the case, just bull#### about what kind of chokehold the guy called it and the fact that he was angry at the cops because he was watching a ####### murder happen in broad daylight. I shut it off at the point where the MMA fighter was forced to give yes/no answers to the lawyer asking him about what specific words he was using to call the cops.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I hope you're right. You should be right. But I'm not sure you are right. It only takes one.
Zow
Footballguy
Yeah you'd probably have a better gauge at what is admissible if you had not watched Law and Order. That show's portrayal of the applications of the rules of evidence and procedure is awful.I’m no lawyer, but I’ve watched enough law and order
Zow
Footballguy
glvsav37
Footballguy
IDK seems to me the defense was trying establish that one choke hold effects the trachea (which would stop breathing) vs the blood choke hold (as the witness called it earlier) where the pressure is on the sides/arteries and the windpipe is not effected.
Also, forcing him to the Yes/No put him in a combative stance with the attorney and judge trying to knock him off his script. He painted himself into a corner when he was answering the defense attorney's questions with his own questions like "well if thats what the video shows?" "well if thats what you heard?" You could see in his face that he was getting angry, flustered and less "likable."
One thing I heard which I made a note of was that the defense asked him a few times if he, or anyone he fought had ever passed out and then woke up and wanted to keep fighting. To which he said that he did. I think they were trying to establish a reason for staying in the maneuver past the point of death (or what they thought was passed out).
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NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
First, I have no idea, I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not as smart as anyone involved in the trial (except the witnesses) - so this is pure speculation on my part.
My GUESS (based on his questions with the MMA guy and others) is that he was trying to do 3 things.
1. Generally discredit/embarrass the MMA guy.
2. Establish overall that the crowd was hostile/angry and a huge distraction for Chauvin to properly assess Floyd condition.
3. Establish that the MMA chokes required a tap out (due to inability to speak) while showing Floyd speaking throughout.
3b also getting in there for the record that people revived from a black out can come back fighting.
zoonation
Footballguy
I meant the lawyer for the prosecution who was leading the direct of the firefighter. Terrible. I was surprised. And also surprised that the defence waited so long to object to ridiculously leading questions. I don’t know if that is something that is tolerated more in America but in Canada any competent counsel would have been objecting the entire time.
Zow
Footballguy
There’s a lawyer who is my opposing counsel on a pretty regular basis that ####### does this - basically asks the one question too many that’s clearly argumentative. It drives me nuts and I want to scream “this isn’t law and order!”
Odd thing is the guy’s cross examination skills and questions leading up to his inevitable argumentative question are quite sound and often very impactful. Zero clue why he then decides to ask the final
question that he has to know any decent attorney will object to. It almost always annoys judges when he does it too. 
joffer
Footballguy
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
This morning's witness was the guy working in Cup Foods and included the video from inside the store. Gotta say, no matter what you think of George Floyd it's surreal and heart breaking watching him wander around the store talking to people and laughing, knowing this is his last day alive.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
From the New York Times
"The 12 jury members and two alternates in the Derek Chauvin trial remain anonymous, and their faces can't be shown on camera. Here's what we do know about them."
"The 12 jury members and two alternates in the Derek Chauvin trial remain anonymous, and their faces can't be shown on camera. Here's what we do know about them."
joffer
Footballguy
they're all eukaryotic deuterostomesFrom the New York Times
"The 12 jury members and two alternates in the Derek Chauvin trial remain anonymous, and their faces can't be shown on camera. Here's what we do know about them."
Amused to Death
Footballguy
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Very emotional day. Next witness (61 year old bystander) broke down crying so much they called a recess.
Another witness the defense did not cross examine.
Another witness the defense did not cross examine.
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JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
The body camera footage was tough to watch. Approaching Floyd with gun drawn obviously triggered a panic attack and put him into a mental health crisis. The officers only know brute force, so they revert to that, and George Floyd is dead in short order. Brutal.
glvsav37
Footballguy
I get you. And I kinda of assume they are. These just seem very transparent to me and i'm surprised the defense isnt calling it out more (but what do I know, i'm not a lawyer)
Yenrub
Footballguy
I had it on but the sound was muted so I know I missed some important dialog. That said they seemed to have Floyd under control and in handcuffs for a very long time. They put the cuffs on him at his car, walked him over to the side of the building where they sat him down on the ground and he seemed to be answering questions. Then they walked him across the street to the where he eventually died.
