DeSean Jackson + Eddie Royal No Love in Top 250 Forward (1 Viewer)

[tombonneau]

First off, I'm generally not the type of person to say "So-and-so is ranked blah blah this week, that's CRAZY!", but, well, I'm about to say it.

I was absolutely stunned just now to see such a low ranking for DJ & ER in the Top 250 Forward. Without getting into specifics, they are basically ranked as two of the lowest starters in a 12-team start 3WR league. That is egregious. You don't have to put them in the top 10 (which is where they currently reside YTD ...) but have some stones and rank them in the top 20 at least.

What is the basis for the low ranking? I mean, honestly, JUSTIN GAGE and JOEY GALLOWAY are ranked higher.

I don't know, maybe Joe & Co. feel that Jackson & Royal will totally fade and become marginal starters going forward. Because that's what those rankings indicate.

Ultimately, I'm not meaning this to come off as a criticism of the site, because I love it (and pre-paid three years so I'm not going anywhere ) and it leads me the right way more often than the wrong, but I really would like to generate some staff discussion justifying these rankings.

 

[Kiddnets]

a lot of people are not sold on the rooks - I am not one of them!

 

[PatsFanCT]

I don't know, maybe it's because Jackson & Royal will totally fade and become marginal starters going forward.

 

[tombonneau]

I don't know, maybe it's because Jackson & Royal will totally fade and become marginal starters going forward.

I said the same thing in Colston's rookie year when I "sold high" after a first month of good stats ...But even if they fade, you'd trade either one straight up for Galloway, Gage, Derrick Mason or Bryant Johnson? Because that's what the 250 Forward would advocate you doing? Just saying ...

 

[switz]

I don't know, maybe it's because Jackson & Royal will totally fade and become marginal starters going forward.

What makes you so certain about that?I know some feel that Marshall will relegate Royal to anonymity, but that obviously didn't happen week 2.

And while the Eagles are missing their starters, what guarantees those two players remain the starters? Jackson is far more explosive than either Curtis or Brown. He will at least be the #3, and that may even open things up more for him.

I just don't see how both could be out of the top-250, as both seem like very viable WR3 at worst for a team in a 12 team league.

 

[Mustang Man]

I am not sold on Royal mostly because of Marshall is good for about 15+targets a week and Royal's chance of 8 targets are a lot lower then D.Jackson's. Desean is the best wr on Philly even when they get the great Curtis and R.Brown back from injury.. If anything it will help when Curtis comes back. Desean is a top 20 wr imo while Royal is just a matchup play.

 

[Max Power]

I like Royal a lot more than Jackson going forward. He looks to have a solid hold on the #2WR spot in Denver. Also seems that Denver is ready to throw the ball 40 times a game this year. If Marshall does miss any time this season I think Royal's value bumps up to the top 20 range. Hopefully he doesn't hit the rookie wall, which has to be a concern.

On the other hand Jackson's value probably won't get much higher than it is right now. He looks like a good shot to be a deep threat, but once Brown and Curtis get back, he will probably be the #4 option at best. That is only if he beats out LJ Smith.

 

[tombonneau]

I like Royal a lot more than Jackson going forward. He looks to have a solid hold on the #2WR spot in Denver. Also seems that Denver is ready to throw the ball 40 times a game this year. If Marshall does miss any time this season I think Royal's value bumps up to the top 20 range. Hopefully he doesn't hit the rookie wall, which has to be a concern.

On the other hand Jackson's value probably won't get much higher than it is right now. He looks like a good shot to be a deep threat, but once Brown and Curtis get back, he will probably be the #4 option at best. That is only if he beats out LJ Smith.

You honestly believe the Eagles staff will be trying to get the ball to Brown & Curtis over Jackson? After their passing game is looking the best it has in years with him as the focal point?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I like Royal a lot more than Jackson going forward. He looks to have a solid hold on the #2WR spot in Denver. Also seems that Denver is ready to throw the ball 40 times a game this year. If Marshall does miss any time this season I think Royal's value bumps up to the top 20 range. Hopefully he doesn't hit the rookie wall, which has to be a concern.On the other hand Jackson's value probably won't get much higher than it is right now. He looks like a good shot to be a deep threat, but once Brown and Curtis get back, he will probably be the #4 option at best. That is only if he beats out LJ Smith.

I dont understand why so many people think that D.J will automatically be relegated to a fourth option when and if Curtis and Brown get healthy D.J is already better than Brown has EVER been as a pro...and while Curtis is a great reciever in his own rite he may never regain full health after he returns this season...i envision D.J being a prime target over Brown at least

 

[KellysHeroes]

I can't see it... Den has a great match up against NO, got to figure Royal will get atleast 6 Targets. Jackson is the WR#1 on a pass happy team. I'm starting both guys.

 

[Max Power]

I like Royal a lot more than Jackson going forward. He looks to have a solid hold on the #2WR spot in Denver. Also seems that Denver is ready to throw the ball 40 times a game this year. If Marshall does miss any time this season I think Royal's value bumps up to the top 20 range. Hopefully he doesn't hit the rookie wall, which has to be a concern.On the other hand Jackson's value probably won't get much higher than it is right now. He looks like a good shot to be a deep threat, but once Brown and Curtis get back, he will probably be the #4 option at best. That is only if he beats out LJ Smith.

I dont understand why so many people think that D.J will automatically be relegated to a fourth option when and if Curtis and Brown get healthy D.J is already better than Brown has EVER been as a pro...and while Curtis is a great reciever in his own rite he may never regain full health after he returns this season...i envision D.J being a prime target over Brown at least

You don't think it has anything to do with McNabb being 100%? Put Jackson on the 07 Eagles and no one would have been mentioning him.

 

[BroadwayG]

a lot of people are not sold on the rooks - I am not one of them!

Me not neither.

 

[TheDemon]

I think Jackson could be a bit higher, but I don't think either is shockingly low.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I like Royal a lot more than Jackson going forward. He looks to have a solid hold on the #2WR spot in Denver. Also seems that Denver is ready to throw the ball 40 times a game this year. If Marshall does miss any time this season I think Royal's value bumps up to the top 20 range. Hopefully he doesn't hit the rookie wall, which has to be a concern.On the other hand Jackson's value probably won't get much higher than it is right now. He looks like a good shot to be a deep threat, but once Brown and Curtis get back, he will probably be the #4 option at best. That is only if he beats out LJ Smith.

I dont understand why so many people think that D.J will automatically be relegated to a fourth option when and if Curtis and Brown get healthy D.J is already better than Brown has EVER been as a pro...and while Curtis is a great reciever in his own rite he may never regain full health after he returns this season...i envision D.J being a prime target over Brown at least

You don't think it has anything to do with McNabb being 100%? Put Jackson on the 07 Eagles and no one would have been mentioning him.

Im not sure what you just posted has to do with D.J getting pushed out of the starting line up ? McNabb playing well has no bearing on the wr`s injuries and there level of talent...D.J got his chance to shine after the other wr`s got hurt and he has performed above and beyond OUR expectations(im sure the team new what they had in D.J)....as i said...imo D.J is a better wr than Brown and hes only a rookie...the sky`s the limit for him.

 

[CaptainHook]

mcnabb clearly soured on Reggie last season

And clearly loves desean

barring injury 800/4 is the absolute floor. id put his o/u #'s at 1000/6

 

[Max Power]

I like Royal a lot more than Jackson going forward. He looks to have a solid hold on the #2WR spot in Denver. Also seems that Denver is ready to throw the ball 40 times a game this year. If Marshall does miss any time this season I think Royal's value bumps up to the top 20 range. Hopefully he doesn't hit the rookie wall, which has to be a concern.On the other hand Jackson's value probably won't get much higher than it is right now. He looks like a good shot to be a deep threat, but once Brown and Curtis get back, he will probably be the #4 option at best. That is only if he beats out LJ Smith.

I dont understand why so many people think that D.J will automatically be relegated to a fourth option when and if Curtis and Brown get healthy D.J is already better than Brown has EVER been as a pro...and while Curtis is a great reciever in his own rite he may never regain full health after he returns this season...i envision D.J being a prime target over Brown at least

You don't think it has anything to do with McNabb being 100%? Put Jackson on the 07 Eagles and no one would have been mentioning him.

Im not sure what you just posted has to do with D.J getting pushed out of the starting line up ? McNabb playing well has no bearing on the wr`s injuries and there level of talent...D.J got his chance to shine after the other wr`s got hurt and he has performed above and beyond OUR expectations(im sure the team new what they had in D.J)....as i said...imo D.J is a better wr than Brown and hes only a rookie...the sky`s the limit for him.

Point I'm making is lets see how Brown and Curtis play with a Healthy McNabb before calling Desean the hands down better player

 

[Routilla]

Too bad DJ is limited between the ears or there's no telling how good he could be.

 

[tombonneau]

Point I'm making is lets see how Brown and Curtis play with a Healthy McNabb before calling Desean the hands down better player

For anyone who has seen the three play, I'm not sure that is necessary.

 

[aburt19]

mcnabb clearly soured on Reggie last seasonAnd clearly loves deseanbarring injury 800/4 is the absolute floor. id put his o/u #'s at 1000/6

If Jackson keeps doing bonehead plays like dropping the ball before crossing the goal line, he won't reach 6 TD.

 

[Sabertooth]

I can't see it... Den has a great match up against NO, got to figure Royal will get atleast 6 Targets. Jackson is the WR#1 on a pass happy team. I'm starting both guys.

On the one squad, I've got Royal, Marshall, TO, and Jackson. I am probably going to roll with Jackson this week to go along with TO and Marshall but it is really a tossup between Royal and Jackson.

 

[Sabertooth]

mcnabb clearly soured on Reggie last seasonAnd clearly loves deseanbarring injury 800/4 is the absolute floor. id put his o/u #'s at 1000/6

If Jackson keeps doing bonehead plays like dropping the ball before crossing the goal line, he won't reach 6 TD.

Actually he wouldn't get any touchdowns. I'm sure that will happen. Give me a beak.

 

[sartre]

I just don't see how both could be out of the top-250, as both seem like very viable WR3 at worst for a team in a 12 team league.

The original post suggests they are in the top-250, ranked somewhere in the range of WR30 - WR36

they are basically ranked as two of the lowest starters in a 12-team start 3WR league.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Brown and Curtis have never looked as good as Desean has so far. The Eagles will not make the wrong choice.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Too bad DJ is limited between the ears or there's no telling how good he could be.

Why do you say this? He seemed to have picked up the Eagles offense pretty well, I don't think any rookies have in the past.

 

[JuniorNB]

Too bad DJ is limited between the ears or there's no telling how good he could be.

Why do you say this? He seemed to have picked up the Eagles offense pretty well, I don't think any rookies have in the past.

I don't think he's talking about his intelligence. I think he's talking about his maturity. Judging by his play on Monday night, combined with his antics in that high school all-star game, the guy is trying a bit too hard to be a showman and not always using his head.If he can lose the Chad Johnson-wannabe act, I think he'll be a very productive player.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Too bad DJ is limited between the ears or there's no telling how good he could be.

Why do you say this? He seemed to have picked up the Eagles offense pretty well, I don't think any rookies have in the past.

I don't think he's talking about his intelligence. I think he's talking about his maturity. Judging by his play on Monday night, combined with his antics in that high school all-star game, the guy is trying a bit too hard to be a showman and not always using his head.If he can lose the Chad Johnson-wannabe act, I think he'll be a very productive player.

two plays, and now he's a Chad Johnson wanna-be? Besides, Chad is pretty good. So is TO. I don't think having that personality holds them back, in fact, in some ways, that personality is why they're so good.

 

[grouse]

As a Royal owner who has had him on my bench for the last two weeks and watched Braylon drop pass after pass, it's tempting to annoint Royal as a starter.

But, I think a lot of people / rankings 'may' be putting too much faith in Royal's hot start to the season. When you dissect his first two weeks, there are some anomalous factors that have skewed his FF numbers to date. I think the jury is still out in terms of what we can expect from Royal on a weekly basis.

In Week 1, we all know Marshall wasn't there, so I think it's fair to say that we can't extrapolate too much from that performance in terms of establishing a baseline of production for Royal.

In Week 2, it took a once-in-a-lifetime blown call by a veteran referee to salvage Royal's fantasy day. If not for that blown call, Eddie Royal finishes with 4 catches for 33 yards and 0 TDs - and Cutler had still thrown for over 300 yards and Denver still put up 30+ points without that blown call. No matter how you slice it, Royal's targets were cut in half from Week 1 to Week 2.

I'm a believer in Royal's talent. I'm just not convinced we really know what to expect from Royal going forward.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Brown and Curtis have never looked as good as Desean has so far. The Eagles will not make the wrong choice.

Brown, yes I agree... nothing to worry about. But Curtis looked good last yr, it just McNabb was still feeling some effect from that ACL. KC was running good routes, breaking free, and McNabb was just miss him... if KC was in the line up now, he be the clear #1.As a DeSean owner, I'm not worried about Brown being back in the line up... he is the same as Avant, Basket, & Lewis...DeSean will still see the Majority of target until Curtis comes back. Then w/ in 2 or 3 weeks of his return, Curtis will be the #1. DeSean will still get his, but it won't be 6 balls a game. Then you also have to worry about McNabb's health.

I say, sell high on DeSean before Curtis' return.

 

[JuniorNB]

Too bad DJ is limited between the ears or there's no telling how good he could be.

Why do you say this? He seemed to have picked up the Eagles offense pretty well, I don't think any rookies have in the past.

I don't think he's talking about his intelligence. I think he's talking about his maturity. Judging by his play on Monday night, combined with his antics in that high school all-star game, the guy is trying a bit too hard to be a showman and not always using his head.If he can lose the Chad Johnson-wannabe act, I think he'll be a very productive player.

two plays, and now he's a Chad Johnson wanna-be? Besides, Chad is pretty good. So is TO. I don't think having that personality holds them back, in fact, in some ways, that personality is why they're so good.

The difference is, I don't recall Chad Johnson or TO's "performances' costing them touchdowns, as Jackson's have. It seems like Desean Jackson is Chad Johnson, but quite a bit less intelligent.By the way, I'm an Eagles fan. No one wants him to be great more than I do.

 

[BR33ZE]

I agree that they are both ranked WAY too low. The top 250 forward sometimes is deceiving. Its more like a top 250 backward because it looks like some of the rankings are based more of the pre-season rankings than the actual current rankings.

Royal and DeSean are both in huge offenses and have huge upsides. To put them in the WR 37 -38 range at this point doesn't reflect their true value. I guarantee their value right now is higher than the Laverneous Coles and Patrick Craytons of the world who are quite a few spots higher.

 

[FFdork]

Sometimes the top 250 forward does seem a little slow to react to rising players. In this case I don't know if it's reflecting Dodd's opinion of those two guys or it's something in the methodology, but I've noticed these kinds of things before with guys that don't seem ascend as fast I would expect.

I've seen some people on these boards going a little crazy in the other direction, but if I were doing the top 250 I'd have them both somewhere in the 20-25 range. Both have been great so far, but both are also rookies on teams that are/were missing primary weapons in the passing game.

BTW, if I was doing the top 250, overall it would completely suck :( . It's a hell of a lot easier to pick at one or two things than actually do it.

 

[Da Guru]

First off, I'm generally not the type of person to say "So-and-so is ranked blah blah this week, that's CRAZY!", but, well, I'm about to say it.I was absolutely stunned just now to see such a low ranking for DJ & ER in the Top 250 Forward. Without getting into specifics, they are basically ranked as two of the lowest starters in a 12-team start 3WR league. That is egregious. You don't have to put them in the top 10 (which is where they currently reside YTD ...) but have some stones and rank them in the top 20 at least.What is the basis for the low ranking? I mean, honestly, JUSTIN GAGE and JOEY GALLOWAY are ranked higher. I don't know, maybe Joe & Co. feel that Jackson & Royal will totally fade and become marginal starters going forward. Because that's what those rankings indicate. Ultimately, I'm not meaning this to come off as a criticism of the site, because I love it (and pre-paid three years so I'm not going anywhere ) and it leads me the right way more often than the wrong, but I really would like to generate some staff discussion justifying these rankings.

The key is how do you rank them?

 

[Sleehrat]

I have both Jackson and Royal on my bench currently, trying to figure whether to start them. And this thread hasn't done much to help me come to conclusion. Obviously, there are a lot of varying opinions.

I rolled the dice and started Bowe over Addai at my flex spot, and that turned out to be about a wash. I'm definitely watching all of these guys before I commit my lineup.

 

[switz]

I just don't see how both could be out of the top-250, as both seem like very viable WR3 at worst for a team in a 12 team league.

The original post suggests they are in the top-250, ranked somewhere in the range of WR30 - WR36

they are basically ranked as two of the lowest starters in a 12-team start 3WR league.

Ah, my bad... the title says no love in the top-250, and while I read the comment you quoted, I didn't take it to mean they were literally WR 35 and 36, but rather potentially WR 50 and 60 (since your WR 3 usually is a matchup player anyway) At that though, I think they should be WR 25-28 at worst, and believe they will probably both finish higher than that

 

[renesauz]

I'm very impressed with both of these players, but I don't see a real problem with where they are ranked ATM, as there are still questions surrounding them.

Royal's targets and production dropped significantly with Marshall back...and Cutler obviously loves to throw to his #1. It seems likely to me that whoever the #2 is in Denver will have a WR30 ceiling. Barring a Marshall injury/second suspension, Wr32 or so is where he'll end.

Jackson has different questions. As long as Brown and Curtis are out, he's a borderline WR1/2, but Reid really doesn't like to play skill position rookies, especially WR's. As terrific as DJ's stat line has looked, he's also had a few key drops. The long term talent is definately there, but it is far from a given that he remains #1 or even #2 once Brown and Curtis are healthy. I see DJ's ceiling as MUCH higher then Royals for this year (he could stay a borderline #1!), but his floor is also much lower. Should he be relegated to WR3 status, he could very easily finish outside the top 40 at WR. I suspect a finish in the WR 25-30 area is a safe bet as I think he'll see his targets drop, but his talent will force AR to use him far more then normal for a rookie.

IN the end...both rankings make sense this week.

 

[brakeyawself]

Point I'm making is lets see how Brown and Curtis play with a Healthy McNabb before calling Desean the hands down better player

For anyone who has seen the three play, I'm not sure that is necessary.

Id go with Curtis over both of them. Hes a better fit to be #1 than DJ, as far as I can tell, physically and based on experience. DJ is 2 though, hes better than Brown. Got it more together.

 

[teamroc]

I like Royal a lot more than Jackson going forward. He looks to have a solid hold on the #2WR spot in Denver. Also seems that Denver is ready to throw the ball 40 times a game this year. If Marshall does miss any time this season I think Royal's value bumps up to the top 20 range. Hopefully he doesn't hit the rookie wall, which has to be a concern.On the other hand Jackson's value probably won't get much higher than it is right now. He looks like a good shot to be a deep threat, but once Brown and Curtis get back, he will probably be the #4 option at best. That is only if he beats out LJ Smith.

Clearly you've never seen Curtis or Brown play.Reggie Brown, is AWFUL. He might start for 2 teams in the NFL, luckily he plays for one of them. Curtis is a decent #2. DJAX is probably the 2nd best WR they have right now after 2 games. By week 8, probably the best. DJAX will get his touches, because behind Westbrook he's the biggest play maker then have.

 

[Chunky Soup]

I like Royal a lot more than Jackson going forward. He looks to have a solid hold on the #2WR spot in Denver. Also seems that Denver is ready to throw the ball 40 times a game this year. If Marshall does miss any time this season I think Royal's value bumps up to the top 20 range. Hopefully he doesn't hit the rookie wall, which has to be a concern.On the other hand Jackson's value probably won't get much higher than it is right now. He looks like a good shot to be a deep threat, but once Brown and Curtis get back, he will probably be the #4 option at best. That is only if he beats out LJ Smith.

Clearly you've never seen Curtis or Brown play.Reggie Brown, is AWFUL. He might start for 2 teams in the NFL, luckily he plays for one of them. Curtis is a decent #2. DJAX is probably the 2nd best WR they have right now after 2 games. By week 8, probably the best. DJAX will get his touches, because behind Westbrook he's the biggest play maker then have.

Absolutely agree here.