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Devon Hester = Deion Sanders? (1 Viewer)

Will Hester become Primetime2?

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Hairy Snowman

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Is it me or did he look remarkably like Deion in those kick returns?

He even did the "Primetime" into the endzone on the 2nd one.

If he can learn to cover........yikes. :eek: :excited:

 
Deion shutdown HALF the football field in his prime. QBs refused to test him. Devon is nickel corner. I can see the kickers kicking out of bounds to avoid Devon return opprtunities but to say Deion = Devon is a traversty.

 
Did anyone else catch Lovie Smith's statement after the game? I don't have the exact quote, but he basically said, in that serious monotone manner, that he wanted to make an effort to get the ball in Hester's hands more.

I honestly would not be surprised to see him on the field on offense.

 
Deion Sanders is one of the greatest football players to have ever played the game. Devin Hester is not.

 
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Mimo said:
Deion shutdown HALF the football field in his prime. QBs refused to test him. Devon is nickel corner. I can see the kickers kicking out of bounds to avoid Devon return opprtunities but to say Deion = Devon is a traversty.
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Devon was a WR in college, so he is still learning the position of DB.Deion was at Florida State while I attended Florida, so I got to see alot of Deion early on. Deion made up alot of ground once the ball was in the air. He was a "gambler", but as Joe pointed out, he was out of position alot.I'm saying year 3 of learning that position this kids speed should put him in that catagory. Right now, no, he is a return guy. But if/when he learns the position of CB.........his talent will change games.
 
Not likely as a CB. There were entire games where the ball wouldn't come to Deion's side of the field. I never recall seeing him get beat deep man to man either.

 
As a return man, it looks quite possible. Right now, he looks better than Deon returning the ball.

However, as someone else stated, the things Deon did at cb were pretty amazing. There haven't been many like him. Devon hasn't even played the position much yet. I don't think we can even begin to compare these two.

 
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No. Deion could shut down half a field. Hester gets abused in coverage. He's a rookie so maybe he will improve, but to say he might be as good as a Hall of Famer at this juncture is a bit ridiculous. He could be a better kicker returner though. You should probably clarify that.

 
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Deion Sandes was primarilly a punt returner once he left Atlanta. Nine career return TDs (6 punt, 3 kickoff) to go along with nine career defensive TDs and three on offense. Hester has had an OUTSTANDING season, putting himself in the running for the offensive ROY award as nothing more than a return man, but Dante Hall could share with you the difficulty of maintaining the level of scoring success as a kick returner. Hall picked up seven return TDs during the 02-03 seasons and has just four in the three years since. As a punt returner he hasn't had near as much luck: 14.9 average in 02-03, 8.1 average since

 
gman74 said:
cmon dude you ever watch football before deion was a shutdown corner he did not "pretended to cover" if you said he pretended to tackle that i could accept
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Actually, he did pretend to cover WRs. When he got bored he'd pretend to cover them poorly to bait the QB into throwing his way.
 
Kirby said:
gman74 said:
Joe Bryant said:
David Yudkin said:
I was thinking more that Devon Hester = Dante Hall . . .
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Yes. At least Deion pretended to cover wide receivers when he played D.J
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cmon dude you ever watch football before deion was a shutdown corner he did not "pretended to cover" if you said he pretended to tackle that i could accept
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:whoosh:
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what part of that is hard to understand. great cover corner did not want to tackle :confused:
 
Joe Bryant said:
David Yudkin said:
I was thinking more that Devon Hester = Dante Hall . . .
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Yes. At least Deion pretended to cover wide receivers when he played D.J
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You're kidding right?Sanders is the best cover corner ever to play in the NFL. He invented the term shut down corner. In his prime, you simply did not throw to Sanders side. End of story. 1994 NFL Defensive Player of the Year and 6 interceptions and returning them for an NFL best 303 yards and 3 touchdowns. In 1994 he was dominant.
Although critics argued that his tackling was poor and he was not much of a factor in run support, they could not deny that his unparalleled closing speed (evidenced by his 4.17 second 40-yard dash time) and athleticism enabled him to blanket the best receivers while playing one of the NFL's toughest positions.He was selected to eight Pro Bowls in 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, and 1999. The Sporting News named Sanders #37 in their Top 100 Football Players of the Century released in 1999.ESPN named Sanders #74 in its list of the 100 Great Athletes of the Century released in 1999
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But I guess that was all hype. *lol*
 
Kirby said:
gman74 said:
Joe Bryant said:
David Yudkin said:
I was thinking more that Devon Hester = Dante Hall . . .
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Yes. At least Deion pretended to cover wide receivers when he played D.J
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cmon dude you ever watch football before deion was a shutdown corner he did not "pretended to cover" if you said he pretended to tackle that i could accept
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:whoosh:
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I'm also fairly sure J was fishing, but you'd be surprised.I'd had people laugh at the notion he's one of the best CBs of all time. I've heard "he's 99% hype" quite a number of times. It's a fact there's a lot of guys out there, who think Sanders was horribly overrated and does not belong in the discussion of elite CBs. Anyway I love talking about Sanders so I couldn't pass that up.
 
He is going to be the best kick/punt returner the game has ever seen, barring injury. Good enough for me...

 
cracKer said:
Deion Sanders is one of the greatest football players to have ever played the game. Devin Hester is not.
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Exactly.Hester couldn't grasp playing either WR or CB at UM, so don't look for him to succeed at CB in the NFL. He could be a great return man, though. To even think he's as good a player as a rookie as one of the game's best alltime CBs is laughable.
 
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MU Seminole said:
cracKer said:
Deion Sanders is one of the greatest football players to have ever played the game. Devin Hester is not.
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Exactly.Hester couldn't grasp playing either WR or CB at UM, so don't look for him to succeed at CB in the NFL. He could be a great return man, though. To even think he's as good a player as a rookie as one of the game's best alltime CBs is laughable.
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Exactly.
 
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flapgreen said:
As a return man, it looks quite possible. Right now, he looks better than Deon returning the ball. However, as someone else stated, the things Deon did at cb were pretty amazing. There haven't been many like him. Devon hasn't even played the position much yet. I don't think we can even begin to compare these two.
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Did you see those holes? Once thrughg there was noone but the kicker. Hseter has speed but no moves.
 
cr8f said:
flapgreen said:
As a return man, it looks quite possible. Right now, he looks better than Deon returning the ball. However, as someone else stated, the things Deon did at cb were pretty amazing. There haven't been many like him. Devon hasn't even played the position much yet. I don't think we can even begin to compare these two.
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Did you see those holes? Once thrughg there was noone but the kicker. Hseter has speed but no moves.
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oh boy
 
cr8f said:
flapgreen said:
As a return man, it looks quite possible. Right now, he looks better than Deon returning the ball. However, as someone else stated, the things Deon did at cb were pretty amazing. There haven't been many like him. Devon hasn't even played the position much yet. I don't think we can even begin to compare these two.
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Did you see those holes? Once thrughg there was noone but the kicker. Hseter has speed but no moves.
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Are you upset because you're a Packer fan, and the Bears dominated you earlier in the year when Hester returned his first touchdown of his pro career in his first game of his pro career against the packers earlier in the season when your team was dominated?
 
Hairy Snowman said:
Is it me or did he look remarkably like Deion in those kick returns?He even did the "Primetime" into the endzone on the 2nd one.If he can learn to cover........yikes. :eek: :confused:
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From what i hear Deion is sort of a "mentor" to Hester... so that could be the reason for the lil dedication.
 
Wheelhouse said:
PizzaDeliveryGuy said:
gman74 said:
Joe Bryant said:
David Yudkin said:
I was thinking more that Devon Hester = Dante Hall . . .
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Yes. At least Deion pretended to cover wide receivers when he played D.J
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cmon dude you ever watch football before deion was a shutdown corner he did not "pretended to cover" if you said he pretended to tackle that i could accept
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:o :rolleyes: :o
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Ouch - he just slammed JB's post. :confused:
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do you disagree wheel?

 
The guy is a rookie. Right now most GMs would take Hall over him because he has proven it over the long haul. He has had a great year. Maybe the best ever for a return man. Let's let him play a few years before he gets comparisons to someone as good as "Prime Time".

 
"Hester has had the best year as a returner EVER. EVER. In the whole storied history of the NFL, Devin Hester has had the best season as a returner EVER. Of all time. "

Every GM in the league would take this guy over their current kick returner, don't kid yourself. The NFL is all about the now, and this kid is it...

 
I stand by my first statement. Hester has the speed and size to be dominant at the position.

Not just returner, but as a CB.

When everyone else runs 4.4 or 4.3 fastest and you run 4.17, you can change games.

Primetime had that speed. You could just see him run by people because they took the wrong angles. Deion knew how to burst through the initial line and turn on the jets.

THAT is what Hester did last night. He didn't need moves. You can't simulate that speed. THAT is why Tony Corny was saying it was like he had rockets.

He literally ran untouched and there wasn't anyone within 20 yards of him when he got to the endzone.

With 4.17 speed I garauntee you he can be taught to catch up to the ball as a CB also. And as opposed to Hall, he just has to knock them down most of the time.

THAT is what Deion would do. He would play with crappy technique and bait the QB to throw because he could. With his speed he would catch up and grab the ball.

IMO it too early to crown him or to completely write him off. But, I swear, you would be surprised what kind of workshops are being set up for Hester.

If he does what they want him to do IMO he is going to be GREAT. Maybe, dare I say, even better than Primetime.

By the way, his nickname is "Anytime". :banned:

 
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Every GM in the league would take this guy over their current kick returner, don't kid yourself. The NFL is all about the now, and this kid is it...
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I don't know if that's true. Justin Miller, Terrence McGee, MJD and Maroney are right up there. Hester has only 10 KR this season.
 
Chicago Bears kick returner Devin Hester's two returns in Monday's 42-27 victory at St. Louis have gained him leage-wide attention, and a possible offensive role. Offensive coordinator Ron Turner and QB Rex Grossman approve of Hester's part time role on offense.

'I want to do whatever it takes to win,'' Hester said. ''If it ended up with me going to offense and making a play here or there, that's what I'm willing to do. But as I told coach Lovie, I love being a defensive back, and that's what I want to be in life.''

 
Hairy Snowman said:
With 4.17 speed I garauntee you he can be taught to catch up to the ball as a CB also.
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There is a very long list of players who had the athletic ability to play CB, but couldn't be taught how. Aside from QB, CB is quite possibly the most difficult position to play in all of football.
 
He could not play CB in college so I doubt his ability to play it in the NFL. There's more to it than speed. As far as ranking the importance of athletic attributes for CBs, I don't even put speed as most important (hips).

 
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I remember Favre throwing an INT to Sanders that he return for a TD when Sanders played for Dallas. After the game a report asked Favre about the INT. Favre said Holmgren told him not to throw in Sanders direction. Favre said I had to try him once :confused: .

 
Hairy Snowman said:
Mimo said:
Deion shutdown HALF the football field in his prime. QBs refused to test him. Devon is nickel corner. I can see the kickers kicking out of bounds to avoid Devon return opprtunities but to say Deion = Devon is a traversty.
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Devon was a WR in college, so he is still learning the position of DB.Deion was at Florida State while I attended Florida, so I got to see alot of Deion early on. Deion made up alot of ground once the ball was in the air. He was a "gambler", but as Joe pointed out, he was out of position alot.

I'm saying year 3 of learning that position this kids speed should put him in that catagory.

Right now, no, he is a return guy. But if/when he learns the position of CB.........his talent will change games.
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live in Tallahassee and watched Deion as FSU. I remember Deion saying he baited QBs by laying off the WRs. He knew he could make up the ground with his speed.

 
cracKer said:
Deion Sandes was primarilly a punt returner once he left Atlanta. Nine career return TDs (6 punt, 3 kickoff) to go along with nine career defensive TDs and three on offense. Hester has had an OUTSTANDING season, putting himself in the running for the offensive ROY award as nothing more than a return man, but Dante Hall could share with you the difficulty of maintaining the level of scoring success as a kick returner. Hall picked up seven return TDs during the 02-03 seasons and has just four in the three years since. As a punt returner he hasn't had near as much luck: 14.9 average in 02-03, 8.1 average since
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Are kick/punt returns considered offense now?
 
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