What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

DGB trade to Philly (1 Viewer)

The Patriots have shipped off multiple players for big hauls after pumping them up.  Deion Branch, Ryan Mallett, Matt Cassel, etc. and that's just one team.
That's revisionist on Mallett. They drafted Garoppolo in the 2nd and put him higher on the depth chart than Mallett, THEN traded him for a conditional 6th. They pulled a DGB on him, I think. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
The Patriots have shipped off multiple players for big hauls after pumping them up.  Deion Branch, Ryan Mallett, Matt Cassel, etc. and that's just one team.

EDIT: Ok, on second thought Branch performed just fine and might have been worth the trade.  Mallett and Cassel were not.
Reid did it with AJ Feeley and Kolb too. IIRC he did AJ Feeley twice 

But other than Branch I cannot remember any WRs off the top of my head

 
Remember when we thought Richardson being traded to Indy was good for his fantasy value? This DGB situation is wayyy worse given what Cleveland got in return vs what the Titans just did. Imo the most likely landing spot for DGB in 2016 is a practice squad

 
That's revisionist on Mallett. They drafted Garoppolo in the 2nd and put him higher on the depth chart than Mallett, THEN traded him. They pulled a DGB on him, I think. 
Belichick, post Brady emergence, has had a breeding ground for QBs, none of which have amounted to much. And I agree that Mallett might be more similar to a giving up on the player move than Cassel was. But didn't Bill O'Brien covet him, and badly? IIRC there were stories of him trying to pry Mallett away from the Patriots. Didn't turn out so well...

 
Alright, I yield but only because I really don't care what the Titans do.  If I'm selling a car I'm not going to tell a prospective buyer how much the car sucks and that I'm about to send it to the junk yard.

 
Be honest - you guys expecting a career renaissance spent a ton of bidding dollars on Duron Carter last year too, right?

DGB = Da'Rick Rogers

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Be honest - you guys expecting a career renaissance spent a ton of bidding dollars on Duron Carter last year too, right?

DGB = Da'Rick Rogers
DGB is more likely to be on the field than those players. They may be the same guy but his opportunity should remain higher, at least for most of this season.

 
Wentz - Matthews - Agholor - DGB - Ertz might be the makings of a great offense in 2017/2018ish.
Exactly my thoughts. This is a work in progress, but if Pedersen can turn around/develop DGB for Wentz as he grows, this could potentially be a ridiculous steal, over and above the trade to get Wentz with Tennessee if he also pans out. Worst case, you took a shot on a high-end talent with a checkered history and whiffed. Worse things could happen, and the price to see the flop was a 5th round guard. I'd do this deal all day long.

 
Be honest - you guys expecting a career renaissance spent a ton of bidding dollars on Duron Carter last year too, right?

DGB = Da'Rick Rogers
c'mon, it's a hyphen not an apostrophe. If you're going to compare hm to someone, it has to be Darrius Heyward-Bey at least on a punctuation criteria alone.

 
Regardless of what you think of DGB's prospects, it's hard not to view this as embarrassing for the Titans. They have essentially traded away a 2nd rounder for a marginal backup OL after only one season because that second rounder was... exactly what everyone expected. They drafted a guy who is supremely talented physically with some off the field issues and questionable work ethic/mental game. After one season, he flashed some impressive physical ability and some mental mistakes, and apparently was "inconsistent" in practice. What part of this is surprising? This is a terrible pick, terrible player development, terrible personnel management, or perhaps all three.  

 
I think there's a hella lot of people here undervaluing DGB's physical abilities and overvaluing the current PHI WRs.  Wasn't DGB a board darling on this site last year?  Guy will come into PHI and be the 1A WR in about a month and a half.

 
I think there's a hella lot of people here undervaluing DGB's physical abilities and overvaluing the current PHI WRs.  Wasn't DGB a board darling on this site last year?  Guy will come into PHI and be the 1A WR in about a month and a half.
2 cent head and work ethic by all accounts. No one questions the physical ability. And his hands.....meh.

 
I think there's a hella lot of people here undervaluing DGB's physical abilities and overvaluing the current PHI WRs.  Wasn't DGB a board darling on this site last year?  Guy will come into PHI and be the 1A WR in about a month and a half.
Want to make a bet?

 
I still can't believe people are thinking he's practice squad or worse material.  
I don't think that. I just think he is too immature to ever develop into a productive professional NFL WR. Takes more than just physical talent to play with the best of the best.

 
I think there's a hella lot of people here undervaluing DGB's physical abilities and overvaluing the current PHI WRs.  Wasn't DGB a board darling on this site last year?  Guy will come into PHI and be the 1A WR in about a month and a half.
lol

By physical abilities, you mean size right? Because his movement skills (not fluid, lumbering, etc) are lacking which is evident in both measurables and (more glaringly) in game situations. He's far closer to Colston to Calvin. Which is fine, Colston was able to have a fine career. 

DGB's mental game is horrible (still running wrong routes, inconsistent effort, not knowing where to line up at the snap, seemingly lack of dedication. This after an entire season plus another offseason and half of TC). WRs can overcome limited athleticism but it's rare they overcome not giving a ####

 
I think there's a hella lot of people here undervaluing DGB's physical abilities and overvaluing the current PHI WRs.  Wasn't DGB a board darling on this site last year?  Guy will come into PHI and be the 1A WR in about a month and a half.
Hard to do that without knowing the play book

 
I don't understand it, DGB was such an awesome player in college mentally, physically, always in shape, never in trouble .....

 
Exactly my thoughts. This is a work in progress, but if Pedersen can turn around/develop DGB for Wentz as he grows, this could potentially be a ridiculous steal, over and above the trade to get Wentz with Tennessee if he also pans out. Worst case, you took a shot on a high-end talent with a checkered history and whiffed. Worse things could happen, and the price to see the flop was a 5th round guard. I'd do this deal all day long.
Whole lotta players that have proven nothing. 

 
Regardless of what you think of DGB's prospects, it's hard not to view this as embarrassing for the Titans. They have essentially traded away a 2nd rounder for a marginal backup OL after only one season because that second rounder was... exactly what everyone expected. They drafted a guy who is supremely talented physically with some off the field issues and questionable work ethic/mental game. After one season, he flashed some impressive physical ability and some mental mistakes, and apparently was "inconsistent" in practice. What part of this is surprising? This is a terrible pick, terrible player development, terrible personnel management, or perhaps all three.  
Great post. They've had a few very talented WRs do absolutely nothing. I feel bad for Mariota because he's the real deal who got drafted by a team who appears to be stuck in the 1970s. 

 
Agree here. He did fine for a rookie. 
And for a rookie that hadn't played in over a year at that. 

I don't like Mularkey and think this could be a good thing long term for DGB. This move will definitely hurt his immediate value, but I'm fine with that as a dynasty player. 

Ever since '14 WR class people act like WR's should immediately become WR2 or better. If you drafted DGB you should've done so knowing he was a 2-3 year project. 

 
I don't think most of you have an understanding of how dire the PHI WR situation is.  
I understand that it isnt any better than a week ago.  

I get it...you want/hope DGB will turn it around...maybe he will...but it certainly doesnt look good.  His team, that sees him every day...way more than we ever will, just gave him away for a bag of peanuts....If that doesnt concern you, then your bias is clouding your view

 
I understand that it isnt any better than a week ago.  

I get it...you want/hope DGB will turn it around...maybe he will...but it certainly doesnt look good.  His team, that sees him every day...way more than we ever will, just gave him away for a bag of peanuts....If that doesnt concern you, then your bias is clouding your view
Both teams see both players everyday

If DGB gets on the field in 3 or 4 WR sets it's much better than a 7th or 8th OL who is a FA after this season...

 
I understand that it isnt any better than a week ago.  

I get it...you want/hope DGB will turn it around...maybe he will...but it certainly doesnt look good.  His team, that sees him every day...way more than we ever will, just gave him away for a bag of peanuts....If that doesnt concern you, then your bias is clouding your view
But which "bias?"  Pro-Eagles?  Or Anti-Titans?

Two ways one expects better from DGB in Philly than Tenn.  

1) DGB suddenly has a "Christine Michael" moment and starts applying himself with greatly increased effort.  This is unlikely.

2) He gets better coaching and help with his weaknesses from Pederson and co. than he was getting from Mularkey and co.  This seems plausible enough to be worthy of consideration.

 
Report on DGB before he got drafted.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap3000000470919/article/dorial-greenbeckham-hits-combine-with-major-talentconcerns

...  Still, the basic question with Green-Beckham is the same one that was asked about Gordon and Bryant when they were entering the NFL: Can he stay out of trouble long enough to realize the boundless potential he carries?

"He's enabled, spoiled," said the NFC personnel executive, who did work on Green-Beckham during the receiver's time at Mizzou and Oklahoma. "Whatever everyone else was doing, he'd do it to be cool, trying to fit in."

 
He appeared in the first five games of the seaso for MIZZOU ... Then came an arrest and suspension due to drug possession, causing Green-Beckham to miss the Vanderbilt and Alabama game on October 6 and 13, respectively.

Had 59 catches Sophomore year

Green-Beckham was dismissed from the University of Missouri football team on April 11, 2014 because of drugs, again ..... He then transferred to the University of Oklahoma. He sat out the 2014 season as a transfer restriction, after a waiver request was denied by the NCAA. During his time at Oklahoma, he spent his season on the scout team and didn't play a single down for the Sooners before declaring for the draft.

NFL first season 


2015


32


549


4


67

not even a 50% success catch rate

5th on Titans depth chart, off-season conditioning issues, shown lack of personal responsibility and discipline over and over and over

DGB made some cash, will have spent it all, and next year will be someone we compare future burn outs too. He's got the physical tools, just chose to not use them,

End of story

 
Philly sports radio will explode if/when the Browns use the Philly pick in Philadelphia on Draft Night to take Deshaun Watson
Might just leave WIP on 24/7, because it will happen if it's on the table for Cleveland.

I can see it now, "We could've had Tunsil @ 8 and Watson in 2017!!" from December through August 2017, intensifying around the 2017 draft - which will take place in Philadelphia. That will be a sight to behold when the pick is announced, which Philadelphia does not own any longer. 

 
I understand that it isnt any better than a week ago.  

I get it...you want/hope DGB will turn it around...maybe he will...but it certainly doesnt look good.  His team, that sees him every day...way more than we ever will, just gave him away for a bag of peanuts....If that doesnt concern you, then your bias is clouding your view
It's a low risk/high reward move that PHI made in which they traded from a potential weakness (OL) to maybe better a definite weakness (WR).....and while the new GM has seen him more than any of us....new GM's tend to make (somewhat) surprising moves based on a myriad of reasons; a notable one being that since they didn't draft a guy, they don't really give a #### about problematic/guys who just dont' seem to be getting it players.  It's been hinted that Eric Rowe on PHI might be cut for this reason; a guy who(IIRC) per Kiper was underrated and maybe one of the most league ready rookies in the draft last year. I don't believe that one year is enough to turn perceived diamonds into coal at such a young age. Pederson is a rookie yet I have confidence in the Andy Reid system, DGB has some legit physical talent, the Eagles receivers are the suck and thus....I'm fine with DGB move. 

We'll see though. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
If he doesn't ever turn it around, I don't think it's completely fair to say that he should of succeeded purely on his physical tools.   Maybe he just isn't capable of being able to process the game in a way that allows him to see the field, let alone be good.  

Given all of the physically gifted, big WRs that flame out every year, and the hastiness and lack of value in the trade, I'd say the likelihood is very high that DGB simply can't play on the NFL level.  It's easy to say Mularkey sucks as a HC (he does) but even the worst NFL head coaches have a really good idea if a guy is a workable NFL player.  I do believe that Mularkey thinks he is not.  

If I'm having to put my chips in on a certain outcome, I'm saying that DGB will flame out in the next year or 2.   The good news is that because of his physical tools he is likely to get a few extra shots than most young players.  

 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Belichick, post Brady emergence, has had a breeding ground for QBs, none of which have amounted to much. And I agree that Mallett might be more similar to a giving up on the player move than Cassel was. But didn't Bill O'Brien covet him, and badly? IIRC there were stories of him trying to pry Mallett away from the Patriots. Didn't turn out so well...
No, that was all manufactured by the media and fan pipe dreams. Houston cut their backup QB Case Keenum after the last preseason game and traded a conditional 7th for Mallet to be the backup to Fitzpatrick mainly because he already was familiar with O'Brien's system. The media was posting BS reports back as far as pre-NFL draft that Houston was going to trade one of their high draft picks for Mallett.

 
Given all of the physically gifted, big WRs that flame out every year, and the hastiness and lack of value in the trade, I'd say the likelihood is very high that DGB simply can't play on the NFL level.  It's easy to say Mularkey sucks as a HC (he does) but even the worst NFL head coaches have a really good idea if a guy is a workable NFL player.  I do believe that Mularkey thinks he is not.  
All Eagles fans are adding hope to the equation because we just survived 3 years of a "culture" HC who got rid of legitimately good players for guys who suck but will practice hard and toe the line. It seems likely DGB is still spoiled and wasn't going to toe the line for a tough minded coach. So he was let go to give hard workers like Turzilli a chance. "Workable NFL player" is subjective. He is not workable for Mularkey because he doesn't fit the culture. The hope is that a team=family head coach like Pederson will be a better fit for DGB. I think it will be, and the Eagles may be able to get more out of him. The failure risk is still high, but it is a better personality fit.

 
I'm seeing the Browns cashing in on a very high pick from Philly in 2017.
Haven't you watched the Browns draft? Sabermetrics or not, the idea is to trade out of the position where you can draft a stud so that you can amass more picks to allow you to accumulate a large amount of mediocre players.

 
Obviously the Eagles are both desperate and saw some value in him.  They got a great deal.  How does one draft this kid in the second round and give him only one season?  So strange.

Those of us holding DGB have to hope that PHI is a change of scenery with different coaching that suits him better, gets him more opportunities, and maybe gets him a chance to grow with their high picked new QB.  Could be the best thing that ever happened, who knows.

 
He appeared in the first five games of the seaso for MIZZOU ... Then came an arrest and suspension due to drug possession, causing Green-Beckham to miss the Vanderbilt and Alabama game on October 6 and 13, respectively.

Had 59 catches Sophomore year

Green-Beckham was dismissed from the University of Missouri football team on April 11, 2014 because of drugs, again ..... He then transferred to the University of Oklahoma. He sat out the 2014 season as a transfer restriction, after a waiver request was denied by the NCAA. During his time at Oklahoma, he spent his season on the scout team and didn't play a single down for the Sooners before declaring for the draft.

NFL first season 


2015


32


549


4


67

not even a 50% success catch rate

5th on Titans depth chart, off-season conditioning issues, shown lack of personal responsibility and discipline over and over and over

DGB made some cash, will have spent it all, and next year will be someone we compare future burn outs too. He's got the physical tools, just chose to not use them,

End of story
Except it's not the end of any story. It could actually be a start to a new story. Sometimes it takes being traded for a player to finally get it.

 
This is an awful indication for his long term success.  But given that, the trade itself is probably neutral or slightly positive.

Sure didn't look like he was going to succeed in Ten.  Philly took a cheap flyer and will give it a shot.  MAYBE it turns on the light for DGB.  Hpefully he sees this for what it really is - a firing due to lack of doing his job and makes steps to correct the issues.  He won't get another legit chance.  He may end up on another team, but this will probably be the last time he will be given a good opportunity for legitimate playing time.  Guys like this often don't really get the reality of the situation, but they do every once in a while.

As for Ten - on the surface it sure seems like they could have handled this situation better.  But in the end they just wanted to move on, and possibly set an example for the rest of the team.  Work hard, or you are gone - even if we have to take a hit.

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top