Did AOC Truly fear "GOP lawmakers would lead rioters to her" (1 Viewer)

[squistion]

Does burning down buildings and looting deserve respect?  This selective means for who deserves respect is very telling.  We are not suppose to profile or discriminate against people based on beliefs, but let's throw that principle out the window when we talk about rual America.   You either have principles or you don't.  What I generally see from the left are principle which are selectively applied based on race/color/beliefs.  And when called out on this blantant lack of principle the response is to dismiss it as some kind of whiny temper tantrum.  Now i hear a lot of rationalization about why these are different, but really the left is just ####-canning their stated principles for politics.  

No one has said that it did. 

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Does burning down buildings and looting deserve respect?  This selective means for who deserves respect is very telling.  We are not suppose to profile or discriminate against people based on beliefs, but let's throw that principle out the window when we talk about rual America.   You either have principles or you don't.  What I generally see from the left are principle which are selectively applied based on race/color/beliefs.  And when called out on this blantant lack of principle the response is to dismiss it as some kind of whiny temper tantrum.  Now i hear a lot of rationalization about why these are different, but really the left is just ####-canning their stated principles for politics.  

You are doing a terrible job of trying to come to terms with recent events.  I don't recall ever saying that burning down buildings and looting deserved respect.  You may find a post where I kind of, sort of understand how people can come to that.  But I kind of understand how January 6th came to that also.  But in both cases if you resort to such things for "your cause" (will let others argue who over the summer where there for the cause(s) and who were just opportunists) then you need to face the music.  Nothing selective about it.

What is selective is that those protesting racial injustice have a clear case, those protesting a stolen election are just wish casting.  Those cause do not deserve the same level of respect, but you are correct that the people, at least the vast majority  do deserve the same level of respect.  One of us is doing that, you are not! 

There is also a difference between what happened over the summer and what happened on the 6th if for no other than the symbolism involved.  Anarchists tried to carve out a few blocks to be "outside" the realm of government is not good, but it is not the same as trying to overthrow the lawful transition of power.  Whether that be attacking lawmakers with guns or merely with rhetoric.  

 

[JAA]

I’ll ask ... how many cops did Biden supporters kill?

Only cops matter?  People don't?  Beating old ladies and store owners in the streets don't matter?  Stop this schtick.  

This is what you quoted when quoted “Trump supporters killed a cop last week. That's a difficult fact to pivot away from” when you said “now do Biden supporters”

im asking, how many cops did Biden supporters kill. 

 

[squistion]

Why indeed?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC 53m

GOP lawmakers campaigned with images of them cocking guns next to photos of myself,

Now they are trying to violate DC law and House rules to sneak guns onto the House floor two weeks after a white supremacist insurrection that killed 5 people.

Why?

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1352635170269102082

 

[BladeRunner]

This is what you quoted when quoted “Trump supporters killed a cop last week. That's a difficult fact to pivot away from” when you said “now do Biden supporters”

im asking, how many cops did Biden supporters kill. 

5 Dallas cops.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

5 Dallas cops.

The lone shooter that was killed in 2016 that was born in Mississippi and grew up in Texas was a Biden supporter?   When?  How?  I simply cannot come up with a non stupid answer to my questions, so what am I missing?

 

[squistion]

5 Dallas cops.

The 5 cops were killed by a Biden supporter? Where did you come up with that nonsense?

The Dallas killings was the product of one lone mentally ill individual in 2016 who had no connection with BLM, and stated that he had acted alone and was not part of any group

 

[Summer Wheat]

Why indeed?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC 53m

GOP lawmakers campaigned with images of them cocking guns next to photos of myself,

Now they are trying to violate DC law and House rules to sneak guns onto the House floor two weeks after a white supremacist insurrection that killed 5 people.

Why?

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1352635170269102082

White supremacists?   Is that the new label?   I saw some blacks and Asians in the crowd as well. My BIL is Hispanic and his family are huge Trump supporters and they are not white.

Should not label people.  Were they Trump supporters..yes.  That is all that needed to be said. AOC is always bringing race and color into everything.

I don`t want to read "Black radical kills police officer" or "Black Radical burns a building"

Not everyone fits a mold.

 

[BladeRunner]

White supremacists?   Is that the new label?   I saw some blacks and Asians in the crowd as well. My BIL is Hispanic and his family are huge Trump supporters and they are not white.

Should not label people.  Were they Trump supporters..yes.  That is all that needed to be said. AOC is always bringing race and color into everything.

I don`t want to read "Black radical kills police officer" or "Black Radical burns a building"

Not everyone fits a mold.

I don't click on tweets. Did she actually provide any proof?  

 

[Chaz McNulty]

The 5 cops were killed by a Biden supporter? Where did you come up with that nonsense?

The Dallas killings was the product of one lone mentally ill individual in 2016 who had no connection with BLM, and stated that he had acted alone and was not part of any group

I would like to know this too.  What made you connect this killing to Biden?

 

[dawgtrails]

I don't click on tweets. Did she actually provide any proof?  

There were plenty of white supremacists at the protest. I imagine you saw the Auschwitz guy getting arrested? Others involved were part of The Three Percenters, The Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Texas Freedom Force, to name a few.

Now, does that mean that it was a white supremacist insurrection? That night be taking it too far, but there certainly was a taste of it

 

[BladeRunner]

There were plenty of white supremacists at the protest. I imagine you saw the Auschwitz guy getting arrested? Others involved were part of The Three Percenters, The Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Texas Freedom Force, to name a few.

Now, does that mean that it was a white supremacist insurrection? That night be taking it too far, but there certainly was a taste of it

I don't think you guys know what "White Supremacy" means.  The Proud Boys are led by a Mexican American.  They have members that are black, mexican and all other kinds of ethnicities.   

How do you reconcile that and continue to call them "White Supremacists"?

 

[General Malaise]

I don't think you guys know what "White Supremacy" means.  The Proud Boys are led by a Mexican American.  They have members that are black, mexican and all other kinds of ethnicities.   

How do you reconcile that and continue to call them "White Supremacists"?

One of the leaders of the Proud Boys, the far-right group that President Donald Trump told to “stand back and stand by” during a presidential debate, is trying to rebrand the organization as explicitly white supremacist and anti-Semitic.

Kyle Chapman, the founder of a “tactical defense arm” of the Proud Boys known for engaging in street violence, claimed in a message on the encrypted chat app Telegram that he has staged a “coup” against the current leader of the Proud Boys — a Cuban man named Enrique Tarrio.

“We will confront the Zionist criminals who wish to destroy our civilization,” Chapman wrote after using other bigoted language. “We recognize that the West was built by the White Race alone and we owe nothing to any other race.”

Chapman also wrote that he has renamed the group the Proud Goys, referring to the Jewish term for non-Jews that neo-Nazis have tried to appropriate and use to symbolize their anti-Semitism.

RELATED: Proud Boys leader rebuts claim of coup »

The move comes as the Proud Boys are preparing to protest with other right-wing groups in Washington, D.C., on behalf of Trump’s unsubstantiated claims that the presidential election was stolen from him through widespread voter fraud.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/florida-jewish-journal/fl-jj-proud-boys-rebrand-20201111-kp4cr7l5pbdnxguwyb3xq4m63e-story.html

 

[BladeRunner]

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/florida-jewish-journal/fl-jj-proud-boys-rebrand-20201111-kp4cr7l5pbdnxguwyb3xq4m63e-story.html

Probably should have done more research instead of looking for the "gotcha":

https://www.insider.com/ousted-proud-boys-underling-attempts-white-supremacist-coup-2020-11

"Tarrio, a Cuban-American, told Insider on Thursday that Chapman was kicked out of the Proud Boys years ago and that his comments about a coup were a "bad joke," as he has no power."

 

[General Malaise]

I don't think you guys know what "White Supremacy" means.  The Proud Boys are led by a Mexican American.  They have members that are black, mexican and all other kinds of ethnicities.   

How do you reconcile that and continue to call them "White Supremacists"?

The Proud Boys reject assertions that they are white supremacist, anti-Semitic, racist or fascist. "I'm pretty brown. I am Cuban. There is nothing white supremacist about me," Tarrio told Insider. He sees himself, above all, as a conservative. "I think that conservatism is what will save America," he said. The Proud Boys are just a "group of guys that hang out and drink beer together and just have a good time", he told Heavy. "Obviously, we're a political group, but that’s secondary in nature."

But on social media the picture looks completely different. On his personal accounts, Tarrio denigrates, among others, transgender people and said that the African-American actress Leslie Jones looked like a "monkey". In 2018, his Twitter profile was suspended. The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies the Proud Boys as a general hate group known for anti-Muslim and misogynistic rhetoric.

Just to join the group requires violence. Any man who wants to be a Proud Boy must pass four initiation rites: utter the phrase “I am a Western Chauvinist and I refuse to apologise for creating the modern world, and we call ourselves ‘the Proud Boys’", name five brands of cereals while being beaten up, get a tattoo of the Proud Boys logo, renounce masturbation and participate in fights with extreme left-wing groups. Tarrio accomplished the fourth step by punching someone he believed to be a member of Antifa in the face in June 2018. He then climbed the ladder in the organisation until becoming its leader that November. The New York Times estimates the group has between 1,000 and 3,000 members.

wut?

 

[General Malaise]

I don't think you guys know what "White Supremacy" means.  The Proud Boys are led by a Mexican American.  They have members that are black, mexican and all other kinds of ethnicities.   

How do you reconcile that and continue to call them "White Supremacists"?

ORLANDO, Fla. — Joseph Randall Biggs, a suspected member of the Proud Boys white supremacist group, appeared in federal court in Orlando on Wednesday on charges linked to the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

What You Need To Know

Joseph Randall Biggs charged in connection with the US Capitol attack

Biggs, 37, was arrested in Florida

The charging affidavit alleges that Biggs is a Proud Boys member

Biggs is visible on video from the siege, the charging documents say

A federal charging affidavit alleges Biggs marched with others on Constitution Avenue while chanting “Whose streets? Our streets!” and expletives.

Biggs was later captured on video inside the Capitol, according to the affidavit.

"In the video, a voice off camera says, "Hey Biggs, what do you gotta say?" The person depicted below smiles broadly and replies, "This is awesome!" before pulling his gaiter up to cover his face," a probable cause affidavit from the FBI says.

The video was live streamed on the Parler social-media site, the FBI said.

“One of those clips shows what I believe to be people entering the Capitol shortly after the events described in the preceding paragraph,” the affidavit states. “One of those individuals, who entered the door within 20 seconds of its opening, is a person that I believe to be” Biggs.

Biggs and other alleged members of the Proud Boys in the U.S. Capitol attack were equipped with “walkie-talkie style communication devices” on their chests, the FBI alleges.

Agents contacted Biggs two days ago.

He “admitted to entering the Capitol building on January 6, 2021, without forcing entry,” the affidavit states. He told an agent the doors of the Capitol were wide open when he walked into the building.

Biggs “denied having any knowledge of any pre-planning of storming the Capitol, and had no idea who planned it,” the affidavit says.

He was arrested Wednesday in Florida. Documents indicate he has lived in Ormond Beach in the past.

 

[BladeRunner]

You're so busy knee-jerking posts I don't think you read my last post.  

You should stop and sit this one out.

 

[General Malaise]

You're so busy knee-jerking posts I don't think you read my last post.  

You should stop and sit this one out.

Nah, Imma stay right here and watch you defend the proud boys, a group that took part in storming our nation's capitol building.  Do you dress up like an army man too? 

 

[General Malaise]

Have to admit, the proud boys wearing the 6MWE (six million wasn't enough - referring to Jews) shirts are probably not white supremacist either, right RBM?

In mid-December an image started circulating on social media. The image was taken in Washington, D.C. and featured a man standing alongside a group of Proud Boys and wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the cryptic text “6MWE.” This code for “6 Million Wasn’t Enough” is a not-so-veiled reference to the Holocaust.

The man, who has not yet been identified, also wore a Proud Boys baseball hat and the skull face mask popular among -- but not exclusive to -- right-wing subcultures like accelerationists and boogaloo bois. The t-shirt featured the Proud Boys’ black-and-yellow color scheme and a black-and-yellow flag design, as well as the letters “RWDS”- which stands for “Right Wing Death Squad.” Given the ubiquity of these symbols and words within the Proud Boys organization, it is extremely likely that the man is a member of the group.

This was just the latest in a series of racist and antisemitic incidents tied to the Proud Boys, a right-wing extremist group with a long track record of violence. Members of the group have always (loudly) insisted that they are not racist. In the face of any accusation of antisemitism or white supremacy, they make a show of pointing to their Cuban-American leader, their Black and Latino members or their chapter in Israel.

Proud Boys leadership has carefully crafted a public image of an inclusive club for men of all races, backgrounds and sexual orientations who subscribe to one mantra: The West (i.e. “Western” culture) is best, and anyone who “opposes” it (“leftists” of all stripes and feminists, among others) is the enemy.

The group has been remarkably successful at building a brand, and they have become popular public allies and security providers for a host of right-wing and conservative activists and politicians –  even getting a shout-out from President Trump. Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio seems to understand that expressing overt antisemitism or racism would not help them, and Tarrio’s continuing assurances of anti-racism as well as his own Latino background provide the Proud Boys with a ready way to defend themselves against charges of bigotry.   

But the actions of the group’s members and even leadership have repeatedly belied the official party line.

At the December 12 pro-Trump rally in Washington, D.C., a member of the Proud Boys attacked a counter-protester while screaming “####### Jew.” The incident was captured on video ADL has viewed.

Later that night, Tarrio, alongside an unidentified member of the Proud Boys, tore down and set fire to a Black Lives Matter banner outside the Asbury Methodist Church, one of the oldest Black churches in Washington, D.C. Tarrio later claimed that the attack was not motivated by race, but because “BLM is a Marxist movement,” adding, “the burning of this banner wasn’t about race religion [sic] or political ideology it [sic] was about a racist movement that has terrorized the citizens of this country.”

Whatever Tarrio’s stated reasons, tearing a Black Lives Matter banner from a historically Black church is clearly an act of profound bigotry and is, according to the Washington Post, being investigated as a potential hate crime by the Washington, D.C. police department.

The Proud Boys’ history of racist associations goes back to its founding. The 2016 creation of the group was first announced in Taki’s Magazine, a right-wing publication that has published virulent racists like Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer. Since then, there have been many examples of close ties between Proud Boys and racist right-wing extremists.

In 2017 members of the Proud Boys marched at the deadly Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, although the organization denounced the event and warned members that they would be banned from the group if they marched. At the time of the event, Unite the Right’s organizer Jason Kessler was a member of the group.

Brien James, Proud Boys chapter president in Indiana, is a former neo-Nazi skinhead and founder of the ultra-violent Vinlanders Social Club. Another man who very briefly held a leadership position in the Proud Boys recently attempted to join neo-Nazi terror group The Base, and former Proud Boy Chris Hood currently runs the neo-Nazi group NSC-131. Yet another member of the Proud Boys, Paul Skinner, is a former active member of the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement, according to documents obtained by ADL.

The many links between Proud Boys and white supremacist groups don’t end there.

A member of the Proud Boys known as “Hammy” ran the now deleted Telegram channel “Hammy’s Cesspool of Bull####” where he posted white-supremacist memes, calls for violence against journalists and minorities, and self-portraits where he posed in skull masks and with Confederate flags. “Hammy” was once a candidate for Elder, a member of the Proud Boys’ guiding council.

In the fall of 2020, Kyle Chapman, a white supremacist and Proud Boy also known as Based Stickman, launched a coup attempt within the Proud Boys, announcing, “We will no longer cuck to the left by appointing token negros as our leaders. We will no longer allow homosexuals or other ‘undesirables’ into our ranks. We will confront the Zionist criminals who wish to destroy our civilization. We recognize that the West was built by the White Race alone and we owe nothing to any other race.”

His attempted revolt, whether it was a trolling attempt or a sincere effort, failed spectacularly. But Chapman did receive significant support from people on Telegram claiming to be members of Proud Boys who said they would like to be more “open” about their white supremacist views.

It has become glaringly obvious that despite their loud and persistent denials, the Proud Boys are all too willing to embrace racists, antisemites and bigots of all kinds as long as they subscribe to the superiority of “western” civilization. The Proud Boys powerfully illustrate that an organization with a Latino leader and Jewish members is quite capable of racism and antisemitism.

Great guys.....definitely NOT racist, no sir!

 

[stlrams]

Why indeed?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC 53m

GOP lawmakers campaigned with images of them cocking guns next to photos of myself,

Now they are trying to violate DC law and House rules to sneak guns onto the House floor two weeks after a white supremacist insurrection that killed 5 people.

Why?

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1352635170269102082

Which gop lawmakers tried to sneak guns onto house floor and what proof does she have?  

 

[BladeRunner]

Nah, Imma stay right here and watch you defend the proud boys, a group that took part in storming our nation's capitol building.  Do you dress up like an army man too? 

And you seem to be moving the goalposts.  I asked if you guys knew what "White Supremacy" meant and after being confronted with facts you've now switched gears to try and extend the "gotcha" game.

I did dress up like an Army man, except back when I did it it was called The Marines.  Which branch of service did you volunteer for?  You seem to be a General in the 1st Keyboard Division.  What branch was that?

 

[Rich Conway]

Which gop lawmakers tried to sneak guns onto house floor and what proof does she have?  

https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/01/22/maryland-congressman-andy-harris-caught-trying-to-bring-gun-into-the-house-chamber/

 

[BladeRunner]

https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/01/22/maryland-congressman-andy-harris-caught-trying-to-bring-gun-into-the-house-chamber/

Wait, he brought a gun the day AFTER the riots?  how does this prove AOC's propaganda talking points?

 

[stlrams]

https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/01/22/maryland-congressman-andy-harris-caught-trying-to-bring-gun-into-the-house-chamber/

One gun, singular, not plural as  aoc indicates.  It was one gop member not they as she says.  So that’s 2 lies.  She should stop playing the victim as it’s getting real old.  

 

[Manster]

I feel like she deserves an oscar.....either that, or she needs to suck it up.

 

[BladeRunner]

One gun, singular, not plural as  aoc indicates.  It was one gop member not they as she says.  So that’s 2 lies.  She should stop playing the victim as it’s getting real old.  

Remember the good old days when everyone got on Trump for lying all the time? Yeah, me too. Good times.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I feel like she deserves an oscar.....either that, or she needs to suck it up.

I am curious which politicians if any get the most death threats via social media and the like.  

 

[Mile High]

One gun, singular, not plural as  aoc indicates.  It was one gop member not they as she says.  So that’s 2 lies.  She should stop playing the victim as it’s getting real old.  

According to the article there were 2 others who set off alarms and refused to comply with capital police and refused additional security checks. 

 

[Manster]

I am curious which politicians if any get the most death threats via social media and the like.  

Oh I'm sure she gets her share.  I'm sure there's plenty of politicians who get em......I just think she's a drama queen.....it works for her though.

 

[General Malaise]

And you seem to be moving the goalposts.  I asked if you guys knew what "White Supremacy" meant and after being confronted with facts you've now switched gears to try and extend the "gotcha" game.

I did dress up like an Army man, except back when I did it it was called The Marines.  Which branch of service did you volunteer for?  You seem to be a General in the 1st Keyboard Division.  What branch was that?

I mean this with all sincerity:

Thank you for your service. 

My dad flunked out of college and fled to the Army where he served 4 years.  He dissuaded me from even considering the military and busted his butt so I could go to college.  

So, I respect that you served and thank you. 

Let's just leave it at that and wish each other a nice weekend.  Sound ok?

 

[BladeRunner]

I mean this with all sincerity:

Thank you for your service. 

My dad flunked out of college and fled to the Army where he served 4 years.  He dissuaded me from even considering the military and busted his butt so I could go to college.  

So, I respect that you served and thank you. 

Let's just leave it at that and wish each other a nice weekend.  Sound ok?

It does.  This has got out of hand.  I'm sorry. 

 

[stlrams]

According to the article there were 2 others who set off alarms and refused to comply with capital police and refused additional security checks. 

Did they have guns too? 

 

[Mile High]

Did they have guns too? 

They wouldn't let anyone check them. Since one was Loren Boebert  my quest would be be probably. 

 

[jon_mx]

I think I posted pretty clearly on January 6th that those that were just wrong and did not continue after the chaos began should be treated differently than those that continued after these events.  Granted the only specific posts I can remember concern politicians but if you were in that crowd and you dispersed as soon as you could after they went bad then you should be treated differently than those that stuck around and partied and celebrated outside of the Capitol Building which should be treated differently from those that got washed into the Capitol Building which should be treated differently than those wracking havoc and destruction and trying to get to leaders.   Is someone really arguing anything different?  Or is this more right wing victimisim?  

Oh definitely there are some in very important positions who argue differently.  For instance:

New Jersey Democrat Rep. Mikie Sherrill and others claimed that “Republican Congressional colleagues led people through the United States Capitol last Tuesday on what appeared to be a ‘reconnaissance’ mission ahead of Wednesday’s attack.” Sherrill led a group of lawmakers in demanding that the Capitol Police and other federal law enforcement agencies look into the possibility that rioters had inside help.

“I also intend to see that those members of Congress who abetted him, those members of Congress who had groups coming through the Capitol that I saw on Jan. 5 for reconnaissance for the next day,” Sherrill said in a Facebook Live event. “Those members of Congress who incited the violent crowd. Those members of Congress that attempted to help our president undermine our democracy, I’m going see that they’re held accountable.”

Sherrill is one of the many lawmakers on the left alleging that their colleagues played a role in orchestrating the Jan. 6 chaos that left five people dead. During a live video session on Instagram just last week, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York told her viewers that she “didn’t even feel safe around other members of Congress” during the attack because she feared they would oust her to the rioters.

“There were QAnon and white supremacist sympathizers and, frankly, white supremacist members of Congress … who I know and who I have felt would disclose my location and would create opportunities to allow me to be hurt, kidnapped, etc.,” she said.

Now the FBI after investigation seems to have found no conspiracy, no use of weapons beyond something like pepper spray, or no attempt to overthrow the government and seem to be backing off the wider conspiracy type charges.   Hopefully the FBI charges at the appropriate levels and are not influenced by politics or political pressure.   Unfortunately, like so many of these stories, what the vast majority of the people will recall about January 6th is the original narrative which was spun by the MSM that day, not the facts which were discovered later. 

 

[dawgtrails]

Hopefully the FBI charges at the appropriate levels and are not influenced by politics or political pressure. 

What would be the appropriate level in your opinion?

 

[jon_mx]

What would be the appropriate level in your opinion?

Assault charges for those who physically attacked and inquired someone.  Theft and vandalism charges for those found to have done so.  Murder charges for people who were involved in the officer who was beaten to death on the steps of the Capitol building.  Weapon charges for those if any who carried guns at the protests.  

 

[jon_mx]

I am curious which politicians if any get the most death threats via social media and the like.  

All my money would be on Trump.  

 

[dawgtrails]

Assault charges for those who physically attacked and inquired someone.  Theft and vandalism charges for those found to have done so.  Murder charges for people who were involved in the officer who was beaten to death on the steps of the Capitol building.  Weapon charges for those if any who carried guns at the protests.  

OK that seems about right. I am curious what the non-appropriate charges would be?

 

[jon_mx]

According to the article there were 2 others who set off alarms and refused to comply with capital police and refused additional security checks. 

It is kind of funny that this mob seizing the capitol stood between the velvet lines and calmly went through the check points.  

 

[dawgtrails]

It is kind of funny that this mob seizing the capitol stood between the velvet lines and calmly went through the check points.  

That was one of the funniest parts of this whole thing. Also that apparently a huge amount of folks asked where the bathrooms were

 

[jon_mx]

OK that seems about right. I am curious what the non-appropriate charges would be?

Anything involving a conspiracy type charges and I would include any of the potential charges against Trump or any other outside politician.

 

[dawgtrails]

Anything involving a conspiracy type charges and I would include any of the potential charges against Trump or any other outside politician.

That's fair. And there is zero chance that a politician gets charged unless it is proven that they gave tours to folks. The appropriate action against Hawley or Cruz or Trump or whoever is political if at all

 

[The Z Machine]

It is kind of funny that this mob seizing the capitol stood between the velvet lines and calmly went through the check points.  

Do those checkpoints involve breaking down doors? Busting out windows? Breaking into offices? Running around on the Senate floor? Cuz I saw a lot of people doing those things.  One even died trying to enter a locked hallway through a broken window.  I bet she was outside the velvet ropes.

 

[The Z Machine]

Anything involving a conspiracy type charges and I would include any of the potential charges against Trump or any other outside politician.

What if it is shown that some people premeditated the attack on the Capitol, were in communication about plans and tactics during the raid and expressed a desire to do more than roam the halls of the Capitol?  Would that support a conspiracy charge?

 

[jon_mx]

What if it is shown that some people premeditated the attack on the Capitol, were in communication about plans and tactics during the raid and expressed a desire to do more than roam the halls of the Capitol?  Would that support a conspiracy charge?

It was not an attack.  

 

[jon_mx]

Do those checkpoints involve breaking down doors? Busting out windows? Breaking into offices? Running around on the Senate floor? Cuz I saw a lot of people doing those things.  One even died trying to enter a locked hallway through a broken window.  I bet she was outside the velvet ropes.

That is called vandelism.  We saw thousands of far worse cases over the summer in all those peaceful protests.  

 

[dawgtrails]

It was not an attack.  

Tell that to the cop that was bludgeoned to death or the cop who nearly got crushed to death in the door or the cop that has to relive the fact that he had to shoot a woman who tried to break in through a door or the cop that was beaten with hockey sticks and flag poles and thought he was going to die

 

[jon_mx]

Tell that to the cop that was bludgeoned to death or the cop who nearly got crushed to death in the door or the cop that has to relive the fact that he had to shoot a woman who tried to break in through a door or the cop that was beaten with hockey sticks and flag poles and thought he was going to die

That was an isolated event and it was outside that was not reflective of what happened that day.  Far more atracks took place over the summer during protests but do not reflect on the entire group and what the protests were.

 

[dawgtrails]

That was an isolated event and it was outside that was not reflective of what happened that day.  Far more atracks took place over the summer during protests but do not reflect on the entire group and what the protests were.

gosh darnit jon. Can you just talk about January 6 and not the summer stuff??

And isolated event is a joke. Did you see the cop being crushed in the doorway? 

 

[jon_mx]

gosh darnit jon. Can you just talk about January 6 and not the summer stuff??

And isolated event is a joke. Did you see the cop being crushed in the doorway? 

No because I believe in the principle of equal treatment for all people. It is one of the most important concepts in our system.  

And it was the only incident thst happened.  On the flip side, we could characterize the event as cops shooting unarmed protesters, since there was one.  Would that be a fair way to characterize the event?  It is pure spin/dishonesty to look at one isolated thing and use that to generalized what happened that day.