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Did AOC Truly fear "GOP lawmakers would lead rioters to her" (1 Viewer)

Well...bringing up any other situation as a whatabout is pretty bad...mostly done as attempts to minimize what did happen on January 6th.

Its ok to admit it was bad...really bad...without saying "but what about BLM".

Because despite a lot of the claims I have seen made in this thread...most here, almost all, were universally against any violence this summer.  People on this board are against looting...against violence towards police and others.  Period.  I cannot think of a poster who was for that violence at all.
If saying you are against something is all that is required, then sure, nobody condoned it. All wrapped up with a neat little bow, yay. 

But, if saying something like yeah they shouldnt rob that store, but that store is insured....

Yeah, nevermind. Neat little bows. 

 
If saying you are against something is all that is required, then sure, nobody condoned it. All wrapped up with a neat little bow, yay. 

But, if saying something like yeah they shouldnt rob that store, but that store is insured....

Yeah, nevermind. Neat little bows. 
I see your point...and that said I think the "but they are insured" lines may come when comparing violence towards people vs breaking a window or looting even.

While both are bad...they are not equal in severity.

 
I see your point...and that said I think the "but they are insured" lines may come when comparing violence towards people vs breaking a window or looting even.

While both are bad...they are not equal in severity.
A man was burned to death when one of the buildings was lit on fire in MN. 

Nobody knew that til weeks later. They eventually found his remains. I bet very few people here know about that story.

When people werent blaming umbrella man for the burnings(which is also a way of minimizing what happened), I would bet some brought up insurance. 

Has the search function been fixed yet? 

 
A man was burned to death when one of the buildings was lit on fire in MN. 

Nobody knew that til weeks later. They eventually found his remains. I bet very few people here know about that story.

When people werent blaming umbrella man for the burnings(which is also a way of minimizing what happened), I would bet some brought up insurance. 

Has the search function been fixed yet? 
And I don't think anyone here would ever do anything by condemn burning anyone.  

have no idea about the search function...Ive found it to be quite cumbersome 

 
I see your point...and that said I think the "but they are insured" lines may come when comparing violence towards people vs breaking a window or looting even.

While both are bad...they are not equal in severity.
A man was burned to death when one of the buildings was lit on fire in MN. 

Nobody knew that til weeks later. They eventually found his remains. I bet very few people here know about that story.

When people werent blaming umbrella man for the burnings(which is also a way of minimizing what happened), I would bet some brought up insurance. 

Has the search function been fixed yet? 
Link to story?

Im open to hearing about how Biden supporters killed cops.  I'm optimistic someone will post one.

 
If saying you are against something is all that is required, then sure, nobody condoned it. All wrapped up with a neat little bow, yay. 

But, if saying something like yeah they shouldnt rob that store, but that store is insured....

Yeah, nevermind. Neat little bows. 
Wait, are you saying that it's ok to steal as long as a store has insurance? Or it's less bad to steal if it has insurance?

 
Please prove crowd was hunting for her? 
That’s almost an impossible task to prove beyond doubt, but the group that stormed the Capitol was recorded shouting “Hang Mike Pence,” who is a republican, and several have been documented with zip ties, which would serve no other purpose during an insurrection than to subdue someone the carrier didn’t like. It does not take a great leap in logic to surmise that if the insurrectionists had managed to actually kidnap a politician, any politician, that person’s safety would be in danger, especially so if they were of a different party. 

 
That’s almost an impossible task to prove beyond doubt, but the group that stormed the Capitol was recorded shouting “Hang Mike Pence,” who is a republican, and several have been documented with zip ties, which would serve no other purpose during an insurrection than to subdue someone the carrier didn’t like. It does not take a great leap in logic to surmise that if the insurrectionists had managed to actually kidnap a politician, any politician, that person’s safety would be in danger, especially so if they were of a different party. 
All of the above doesn’t come close to standing up in the court of law. So you’re saying aoc has no proof.  She is just crying wolf and her followers. 

 
All of the above doesn’t come close to standing up in the court of law. So you’re saying aoc has no proof.  She is just crying wolf and her followers. 
:crowd surrounds person chanting "kill, kill, kill":

apologists: "where is the proof that the people in the crowd intended to terrorize the victims??"

 
All of the above doesn’t come close to standing up in the court of law. So you’re saying aoc has no proof.  She is just crying wolf and her followers. 
Do I sound like a judge or lawyer? I’m not trying to prove a court case, I’m using logic that says if a group of violent criminals break into the Capitol with the intent of disrupting an election confirmation, the thought of a political opponent being in particular danger is not a serious stretch. They murdered a police officer, who they claim to support, so why would they stop at someone who they believe is actively trying to destroy the country(which she wasn’t doing, by the way)?

 
:crowd surrounds person chanting "kill, kill, kill":

apologists: "where is the proof that the people in the crowd intended to terrorize the victims??"
Huh?  The person she thought was after her, that was knocking on her bathroom door, was Capitol Hill Police.  

 
Yes that is true the person who made death threats towards AOC only posted them after Jan 6 and that does not prove he wished AOC harm before Jan 6.
Oh now it is threats? As in more than one? 

He tweeted "assassinate aoc"

After the riots. He probably gave her the whole idea to come up with this baloney about a near death experience that she cant talk about for security reasons. Oh wait, changed her mind, she can talk about it and admit there was no near miss and in her chilling reenactment now implicates the police too.

 
Oh now it is threats? As in more than one? 

He tweeted "assassinate aoc"

After the riots. He probably gave her the whole idea to come up with this baloney about a near death experience that she cant talk about for security reasons. Oh wait, changed her mind, she can talk about it and admit there was no near miss and in her chilling reenactment now implicates the police too.
Clearly most of the Representatives were scared; we've seen the videos. There's no way you believe she wasn't scared. She is being an attention you know what. If that triggers you, that's too bad.

 
Notice the reframing happening here? 

The thread title should be changed to "could AOC have been scared on January 6th?"

Since that is the bait and switch we are seeing here. Same as it ever was. 

 
Notice the reframing happening here? 

The thread title should be changed to "could AOC have been scared on January 6th?"

Since that is the bait and switch we are seeing here. Same as it ever was. 
She has stated she feared for her life. As have others who were in the building. How it is in any way a stretch to imagine being fearful of your life as an angry mob is overrunning police and have taken control of the building? They evacuated the members of Congress for a reason, right?

 
Notice the reframing happening here? 

The thread title should be changed to "could AOC have been scared on January 6th?"

Since that is the bait and switch we are seeing here. Same as it ever was. 
Clearly she's refering to Greene and Boebert, possibly others. McConnell is making negative comments towards Greene, and even she is walking back some of the theories she got elected on. We don't know anything definitive yet. It's certainly possible AOC overreacted, but we don't know. 

 
I disagree very strongly with AOC’s politics. I could never vote for her because I find many of her ideas to be radical and wrong. Furthermore, although she is not always the cause of the attention thrown on (particularly from the Right) she certainly seems to welcome it to a large degree and this makes me suspicious of her motives in general. 

That being said, I really do believe she was terrified on January 6. If I were her I surely would have been. I believe her when she says she is a former victim and that this incident triggered that memory, making things worse. Why would she lie about any of that? And what sort of person would accuse her of lying about any of that? 

It reminds me a little of Christine Blasey Ford; I found her to be completely genuine and believable as well. The attacks she received after her appearance from so many conservatives, from Trump on down, was so incredibly repugnant to me. I have the same feeling now. 

 
Clearly she was scared, and locked in her bathroom, until she realized it was Capitol Police coming to escort her out.  The rub is her saying she almost died. By all accounts she was never in any danger.  

 
I disagree very strongly with AOC’s politics. I could never vote for her because I find many of her ideas to be radical and wrong. Furthermore, although she is not always the cause of the attention thrown on (particularly from the Right) she certainly seems to welcome it to a large degree and this makes me suspicious of her motives in general. 

That being said, I really do believe she was terrified on January 6. If I were her I surely would have been. I believe her when she says she is a former victim and that this incident triggered that memory, making things worse. Why would she lie about any of that? And what sort of person would accuse her of lying about any of that? 

It reminds me a little of Christine Blasey Ford; I found her to be completely genuine and believable as well. The attacks she received after her appearance from so many conservatives, from Trump on down, was so incredibly repugnant to me. I have the same feeling now. 
She said she almost died. That not true. Then add on all the melodramatircs than comes along with everything she does. 

 
Clearly she was scared, and locked in her bathroom, until she realized it was Capitol Police coming to escort her out.  The rub is her saying she almost died. By all accounts she was never in any danger.  
This a fair take. I do imagine that any democrat, and perhaps even some republicans not name Mike Pence, were fearful. I mean, #### was crazy. Nobody knew if the people storming the Capitol had guns or not. And novody knew what their end game was. 

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And while I don't think she was anywhere close to being killed, it probably was the closest to being killed she ever has been in her life.

 
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She has stated she feared for her life. As have others who were in the building. How it is in any way a stretch to imagine being fearful of your life as an angry mob is overrunning police and have taken control of the building? They evacuated the members of Congress for a reason, right?
She said she narrowly escaped death. She said was nearly assassinated. She said was afraid GOP lawmakers would lead rioters to her. 

She accused Ted Cruz of trying to have her murdered. 

These arent the same thing as i was scared. I am sure she was scared in the moment. 

I would even cut her slack if these were quotes from the same day. This was from 6 days to almost 4 weeks later. Story gets a bit grander as we go along. 

Thats not ok. 

Eta:i see this was basically covered already.

 
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She said she narrowly escaped death. She said was nearly assassinated. She said was afraid GOP lawmakers would lead rioters to her. 

She accused Ted Cruz of trying to have her murdered. 

These arent the same thing as i was scared. I am sure she was scared in the moment. 

I would even cut her slack if these were quotes from the same day. This was from 6 days to almost 4 weeks later. Story gets a bit grander as we go along. 

Thats not ok. 

Eta:i see this was basically covered already.
Next thing you know she'll be saying that snipers were shooting at her.

 
The people that lived through the BLM/Antifa riots are laughing at her.

She was no closer to death than you or I was on January 6th.
I was sitting in my house doing absolutely nothing. Every single person who was at the Capitol (rioters, police, congress people, etc.) were all closer to death than either you and me. Don't be silly

 
I was sitting in my house doing absolutely nothing. Every single person who was at the Capitol (rioters, police, congress people, etc.) were all closer to death than either you and me. Don't be silly
not really. By sitting at home you actually were closer to death by the mere fact that you were sitting.  Sitting is the new cancer.

 
She accused Ted Cruz of trying to have her murdered. 
Her second tweet on the matter stated "Cruz amplified known lies about our election that fueled an insurrection that cost ppl’s lives." The original tweet was harsh. The second tweet was factual. Cruz deserves no apologies IMO.

 
Her second tweet on the matter stated "Cruz amplified known lies about our election that fueled an insurrection that cost ppl’s lives." The original tweet was harsh. The second tweet was factual. Cruz deserves no apologies IMO.
No that's not true at all.  How long did you guys go on about the Russian collusion and how the election was stolen in 2016 by Russia?

in fact, I remember a bunch of Republicans getting shot up at a baseball game due to that rhetoric.  Now that's real danger. 

 
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I was sitting in my house doing absolutely nothing. Every single person who was at the Capitol (rioters, police, congress people, etc.) were all closer to death than either you and me. Don't be silly
not really. By sitting at home you actually were closer to death by the mere fact that you were sitting.  Sitting is the new cancer.
And to add, of course people at summer protests were closer to death than you or me. Nor sure how you can agree with that, yet dismiss Jan 6

 
And to add, of course people at summer protests were closer to death than you or me. Nor sure how you can agree with that, yet dismiss Jan 6
If death is 10 and not death is 1 AOC was at about 2.

The people in the BLM/Antifa riots were definitely at 7 or 8.

 
If death is 10 and not death is 1 AOC was at about 2.

The people in the BLM/Antifa riots were definitely at 7 or 8.
I am not sure why you need to keep bring the BLM thing up. AOC wasn't there, nor were you, or me. 

And either way, your numbers are way off. There were millions of people who attended the summer protests.  I think there were 25 deaths? There were what, a few thousand that stormed the Capitol?

 
I am not sure why you need to keep bring the BLM thing up. AOC wasn't there, nor were you, or me. 

And either way, your numbers are way off. There were millions of people who attended the summer protests.  I think there were 25 deaths? There were what, a few thousand that stormed the Capitol?
You mean the summer riots? And are you saying 25 deaths isn't a big deal?

 
You mean the summer riots? And are you saying 25 deaths isn't a big deal?
Every death is tragic. The deaths in summer were due to troublemakers trying to use protests as an excuse to destroy. The deaths in January were due to insurrectionists trying to overturn a proper election because they didn’t like the result.

 
You mean the summer riots? And are you saying 25 deaths isn't a big deal?
Not saying that at all. All the deaths were terrible. But if there are a million people protesting and 25 deaths, or a few thousand and 4 deaths, which one would you guess would have put you in more harms way?

 
Every death is tragic. The deaths in summer were due to troublemakers trying to use protests as an excuse to destroy. The deaths in January were due to insurrectionists trying to overturn a proper election because they didn’t like the result.
Yeah that's quite the sugar coating you did there.  

 
Not saying that at all. All the deaths were terrible. But if there are a million people protesting and 25 deaths, or a few thousand and 4 deaths, which one would you guess would have put you in more harms way?
I think when we start getting into arguments about how many deaths are acceptable, we've kind of lost the way.

Let's just put it at I do not believe that AOC was in any real harm like she's making it out to be. I mean, she clearly has an overinflated opinion of herself.

 
Oh now it is threats? As in more than one? 

He tweeted "assassinate aoc"

After the riots. He probably gave her the whole idea to come up with this baloney about a near death experience that she cant talk about for security reasons. Oh wait, changed her mind, she can talk about it and admit there was no near miss and in her chilling reenactment now implicates the police too.
Oh, cool.   He tweeted "assassinate AOC" after the riots.   No big deal.  Happens all the time.  Nothing to see here.

 

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