Did the owner of the Baltimore Ravens win last year? (1 Viewer)

[DropKick]

Looking back at my primary leagues's scoring history, I was surprised to see how high the Ravens D was last year. Looking at the champion's roster, no Manning... No LT... I was not surprised to see the Ravens D. I also noticed that a couple rosters from the Manning post list the Ravens in their winnning roster. I think there is a higher correlation between winning and hitting with later round picks than there is with the first round of the draft. There are also a few key waiver wire pickups that can be difference makers.

Some of last year's "surprise" contributions might be the Ravens, Colston, Jones-Drew, or even Brees. Remeber Brees came into the season coming off a significant injury. Key waiver acquisitions would be Furrey and Betts.

 

[Jedeye]

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[ffwebster]

won with both the ravens d and brees

 

[joffer]

"no, i won with ......(list team here)......."

 

[gethugefast1]

Our league champions roster:

QBs: Hasselbeck, Kitna

RBs: Foster, Gore, Rudi J., D. Williams

WRs: D. Branch, Fitz, M. Harrison, Jennings, K. Johnson

TE: Watson

DST: Ravens

K: Karsay

 

[Guinis72]

won with both the ravens d and brees

Me too, and Gore as well. The Ravens Def helped but I'd say it was the late round values that did it. I beleive I got Gore in the 4th-5th round and Brees as my QB2.The other league I won I got great values in Gore & McNabb. I'd say Gore may end up being the most common player you're going to find from '06 championship teams. He ended up being an absolute steal since no one expected him to have the type of year he did.

 

[SteelerMurf]

Yep, I won it with Baltimore's defense. They carried me quite a few weeks while my QBs sucked ars.

Dedending on your scoring system, defenses are more important than we ballers think when we draft or prepare for the draft.

 

[-OZ-]

IDP

He did have Ed Reed

 

[DropKick]

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I'm looking for two things here. The literal one is... just how many teams were carried by the Ravens last year. They had a remarkable season. I'm also trying to highlight how far too much attention (posts/analysis) is given to the top of the draft. We'll see plenty of "rank the top 10 RBs" or "can I win with the 6 pick" posts but few sleeper defenses or surprise kicker posts. (OK, I really don't want a surprise kicker post).

 

[a_troll00]

You've just taken your 1st step into a larger world. You've got it figured out now.

I'm looking for two things here. The literal one is... just how many teams were carried by the Ravens last year. They had a remarkable season. I'm also trying to highlight how far too much attention (posts/analysis) is given to the top of the draft. We'll see plenty of "rank the top 10 RBs" or "can I win with the 6 pick" posts but few sleeper defenses or surprise kicker posts. (OK, I really don't want a surprise kicker post).

On this board, I see an awful lot of, "Golly Gee! LT2 and Willie Parker are really good running backs!" Yeah, it's important not to go bust on your first round pick, but there is an awful lot of drafting to do after the first round. It's doing your homework and knowing who to target in the mid to later rounds that separate the champions from the rest of the pack.However, as of right now, all we can do is purely speculate who these good late round picks will be. Until training camp starts, there is simply not enough information available on who could be the diamonds in the rough. That being said, I am a very big proponent on stepping up and getting a Baltimore or Chicago for defense. On any given season, the gap between the #1 and #10 defenses can be absolutely huge. We can safely assume these defenses will reign supreme again this year. Some people might try and wait another round and pick up New England or San Diego. The problem is, New England is a team that just wins year after year but has never been a statistically dominating team. San Diego lost Wade Phillips, their defense will take a significant hit.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

IDP

Team D = J/K I play in a couple D/ST leagues, and while I agree a D can really help they are much harder to find. While the top 5-10 are pretty consistent, and predictable, it seems like there is only 1 or two that really stand out in a given year. And a lot of the time that can be a crap shoot. That's why I'm not a big fan of Team D.

 

[bullitt]

Some of last year's "surprise" contributions might be the Ravens, Colston, Jones-Drew, or even Brees.

I had all four on my championship winning team.

 

[benbadman]

Some of last year's "surprise" contributions might be the Ravens, Colston, Jones-Drew, or even Brees.

I had all four on my championship winning team.

I had the Bears D in 06 (redraft) and they won me a few games with their 15-20+ points early in the season (i took them about the 52nd overall pick, 6.02). The injuries piled up for them in mid-season. Down the stretch I got only 5 points each of the last 4 weeks from them, from a fantasy persepctive they faded fast. Had I not missed on Lamont Jordan, Hines Ward (except that one game vs Atl, i actually benched him figuring D-hall would keep him in check) and had Hasselbeck stayed healthy-- my season could have been a winner. That's how fantasy goes.In 2007, I wouldn't take the Bears D as early as it will inevitably go in most drafts. They are due for a letdown, and as I said, down the stretch & in the playoffs, teams figured out how to put yards and points on them. Also, they lost their defensive coordinator.

 

[videoguy505]

No. The Ravens owner (also had Peyton Manning as QB) failed to make the playoffs.

IIRC, I used the Bills (-3 points) on my roster the final week and won the championship. And McNair was my QB. And I didn't have LT.

 

[burd]

the Ravens were huge for me last year. Many a week, the Ravens were half my team's total points.

 

[madoka]

The Ravens were good to me, but really last year was all about LT. In every league I was in, the LT owner won.

 

[Merton]

Some of last year's "surprise" contributions might be the Ravens, Colston, Jones-Drew, or even Brees.

I had all four on my championship winning team.

Intersting, I dominated one of my leagues (15-1) with none of those players.McNair carried me the first half of the season, SJax the 2nd half. Romo filled in decently when McNair went down. I had a solid WR corps and daBears def.

 

[SSOG]

The problem with discussing defenses is that there is no "universal defensive scoring system". In some scoring systems, Baltimore probably reigned supreme. In others, they might not even be top-5 (especially in a league that rewards return yards, in which case Chicago would be so dominant it wouldn't be funny). Really, I don't think Baltimore did all that much to differentiate itself from the pack, but as always, it depends on scoring systems.

With that said, I won last year with Manning, Gates, and Chicago in a league where I made a concerted effort to grab those guys (who I viewed as very clear, very safe #1s at their position) early.

Really, the guys that you're going to find most consistently on championship squads are the guys with the unreal VBDs (regardless of draft position), and the guys with the unreal scores in the playoffs. Gore had a VBD of 111 and averaged 22.4 ppg in money time (weeks 14-16). That's a great VBD and ppg, but Steven Jackson had a VBD of 168 (50% more) and averaged 29.3 ppg in money time. As a result, despite the fact that Gore was usually drafted much later than S-Jax, I strongly suspect that S-Jax was the single most common element on championship teams last year (assuming it's not LT, which is another very strong possibility).

For comparison, Larry Johnson had a VBD of 173, but only averaged 13.7 ppg in money time. Tomlinson's VBD was an absurd 266, and he also averaged 25.0 ppg in money time, so he'd be another very common element on championship teams. Maurice Jones-Drew was 13th in VBD with 67, but thanks to his 26.6 ppg, I'd expect to see him on more championship teams than some of the other players taken before him (such as Larry Johnson).

For the most part, no defense is going to be able to come up with a VBD that can even come close to these kinds of values.

 

[fsufan]

The problem with discussing defenses is that there is no "universal defensive scoring system".

this is why team DEF or IDP should not be in FF. I like FF to just be about offense.

 

[Aaronstory]

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[SSOG]

The problem with discussing defenses is that there is no "universal defensive scoring system".

this is why team DEF or IDP should not be in FF. I like FF to just be about offense.

I don't like IDPs because, unlike on offense, statistics on defense generally don't correspond with doing a lot to help your team win. For instance, usually some of the highest tackle totals are posted by a mediocre player on a horrible defense (horrible defense = lots of plays faced, and the mediocre player is probably the best player on the team, so he gets a disproportionate share). CBs that routinely put up the best scores are the CBs who are routinely burned. If a safety makes a tackle in fantasy football, that's a positive play, but if the safety is making a tackle in real football, that's often a negative, because it means someone got behind the coverage.There's some problem on offense with "garbage time", of course, but at least statistics on offense correspond better with helping your team win. Often times, playing with IDPs rewards players for making horrible plays, and that just doesn't appeal to me. Team defenses are much more reliable- the best scoring defenses are actually the best defenses, as opposed to the defenses that are just surrounded by the most mediocre talent.

 

[Jayrod]

The problem with discussing defenses is that there is no "universal defensive scoring system". In some scoring systems, Baltimore probably reigned supreme. In others, they might not even be top-5 (especially in a league that rewards return yards, in which case Chicago would be so dominant it wouldn't be funny). Really, I don't think Baltimore did all that much to differentiate itself from the pack, but as always, it depends on scoring systems.

With that said, I won last year with Manning, Gates, and Chicago in a league where I made a concerted effort to grab those guys (who I viewed as very clear, very safe #1s at their position) early.

Really, the guys that you're going to find most consistently on championship squads are the guys with the unreal VBDs (regardless of draft position), and the guys with the unreal scores in the playoffs. Gore had a VBD of 111 and averaged 22.4 ppg in money time (weeks 14-16). That's a great VBD and ppg, but Steven Jackson had a VBD of 168 (50% more) and averaged 29.3 ppg in money time. As a result, despite the fact that Gore was usually drafted much later than S-Jax, I strongly suspect that S-Jax was the single most common element on championship teams last year (assuming it's not LT, which is another very strong possibility).

For comparison, Larry Johnson had a VBD of 173, but only averaged 13.7 ppg in money time. Tomlinson's VBD was an absurd 266, and he also averaged 25.0 ppg in money time, so he'd be another very common element on championship teams. Maurice Jones-Drew was 13th in VBD with 67, but thanks to his 26.6 ppg, I'd expect to see him on more championship teams than some of the other players taken before him (such as Larry Johnson).

For the most part, no defense is going to be able to come up with a VBD that can even come close to these kinds of values.

LJ, Holt & Housh's failure to do squat in week 15 cost me a championship by 2 points last year.