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Diet tips: STARVATION MODE? (1 Viewer)

Gianni Verscotchie

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So apparently, when I deprive myself of calories, my body goes into "Starvation Mode". My body will adapt by slowing it's metabolism and storing fat in preparation for the possibility of me going a long time without food.

Then why doesn't my body go into "glutton mode" or "abundance mode" when I gorge myself? Why doesn't my body adapt then?

WTF?

 
So apparently, when I deprive myself of calories, my body goes into "Starvation Mode". My body will adapt by slowing it's metabolism and storing fat in preparation for the possibility of me going a long time without food.Then why doesn't my body go into "glutton mode" or "abundance mode" when I gorge myself? Why doesn't my body adapt then? WTF?
It does.
 
So apparently, when I deprive myself of calories, my body goes into "Starvation Mode". My body will adapt by slowing it's metabolism and storing fat in preparation for the possibility of me going a long time without food.Then why doesn't my body go into "glutton mode" or "abundance mode" when I gorge myself? Why doesn't my body adapt then? WTF?
It does.
Then nobody would be fat. Except those fools undereating.
 
Yeah, I do think that this term is used too uncritically. Let's be honest, concentration camp survivors didn't complain about stalled weight loss.

It is true that severe caloric defecits have been shown to reduce your body's resting metabolic rate beyond that which would be predicted solely by your reduction in weight. For instance, a study of Biggest Loser contestants found their BMR's were 20% lower than predicted. It is also true that caloric defecits, particularly when combined with heavy exercise, causes the body to produce cortisol and that cortisol has some role in causing the body to hold on to some bodyfat in some areas.

For that reason, I don't think a heavy caloric defecit and stressful exercise at the same time is an optimal weight loss strategy. But I do think that a heavy caloric defecit over a prolonged period of time will result in continued weight loss. That's what happens when people starve. Obviously not the healthiest way to do it.

 
So apparently, when I deprive myself of calories, my body goes into "Starvation Mode". My body will adapt by slowing it's metabolism and storing fat in preparation for the possibility of me going a long time without food.Then why doesn't my body go into "glutton mode" or "abundance mode" when I gorge myself? Why doesn't my body adapt then? WTF?
It does.
Then nobody would be fat. Except those fools undereating.
The evidence suggests that our bodies are pretty good at adjusting. It will defend set points both ways. You often hear about the "whoosh" effect in weight loss, where someone battles at a weight for a long time and then a bunch of weight comes off. The same happens when you gain weight. You may eat like crap of a long time at hover around 250 and then pack on another 20 unbelievably fast. Neither weight loss or weight gain happens linearly, even under controlled conditions.
 
So apparently, when I deprive myself of calories, my body goes into "Starvation Mode". My body will adapt by slowing it's metabolism and storing fat in preparation for the possibility of me going a long time without food.

Then why doesn't my body go into "glutton mode" or "abundance mode" when I gorge myself? Why doesn't my body adapt then?

WTF?
It does.
Then nobody would be fat. Except those fools undereating.
And those that eat when they're not really hungry, and those that eat crap instead of nutritious food.
 
The diet that I usually point people to for long term weight loss has you track your calories and weight each day. When you hit one of these walls it's actually time for a few cheat days for a few reasons, the diet people call this "refeed" for lack of a better term. There is tons of evidence for this helping people that want to lose weight and maintain/grow muscle as they lose weight.

 
I've had success with eating minimally Monday thru Friday and then eating normally again on Saturday and Sunday. I do think it keeps your metabolism 'guessing'. It may not work for all people. I lost 20 lbs this summer following a Weight Watchers diet for 17-18 meals per week and eating whatever I want for the 3-4 others.

 
The diet that I usually point people to for long term weight loss has you track your calories and weight each day. When you hit one of these walls it's actually time for a few cheat days for a few reasons, the diet people call this "refeed" for lack of a better term. There is tons of evidence for this helping people that want to lose weight and maintain/grow muscle as they lose weight.
Do you think this advice is the same for someone stalling at 30% bodyfat as for someone stalling at 14% bodyfat?The best scientific explanation for refeeding days, specifically carb refeeding days, that I've seen is the leptin reset theory. But the theory is completely inapplicable to the obese, who are already swimming in leptin but whose bodies lack the sensitivity to leptin.
 
The diet that I usually point people to for long term weight loss has you track your calories and weight each day. When you hit one of these walls it's actually time for a few cheat days for a few reasons, the diet people call this "refeed" for lack of a better term. There is tons of evidence for this helping people that want to lose weight and maintain/grow muscle as they lose weight.
Do you think this advice is the same for someone stalling at 30% bodyfat as for someone stalling at 14% bodyfat?The best scientific explanation for refeeding days, specifically carb refeeding days, that I've seen is the leptin reset theory. But the theory is completely inapplicable to the obese, who are already swimming in leptin but whose bodies lack the sensitivity to leptin.
This is why daily tracking is required. It helps determine when to time the refeed days. Of course this is too much work for many so you have these brute force diets like HCG, etc. taking hold.
 
This is why daily tracking is required. It helps determine when to time the refeed days. Of course this is too much work for many so you have these brute force diets like HCG, etc. taking hold.
I don't see how daily tracking solves that. I tracked calories consumed and burned (with a BodyBugg) for months. I had a 2000 calorie defecit every day for four months. I had some plateaus, but refeeding didn't help me until I was in the last 25 lbs or so of my weight loss.
 
This is why daily tracking is required. It helps determine when to time the refeed days. Of course this is too much work for many so you have these brute force diets like HCG, etc. taking hold.
I don't see how daily tracking solves that. I tracked calories consumed and burned (with a BodyBugg) for months. I had a 2000 calorie defecit every day for four months. I had some plateaus, but refeeding didn't help me until I was in the last 25 lbs or so of my weight loss.
The typical body will stall over established baselines at nearly perfect intervals. Each will be different, and I do not know the reason, but I imagine it has been researched to some degree perhaps. I can see how starting at a much higher weight and running to a different baseline would trigger a different response. This pattern helps track a few things:-Accuracy of your calorie counting-Anticipating cheat days and maybe even allocating them to social events Regardless of these plateaus you can push through them with brute force in both directions. That much is certain.
 
This is why daily tracking is required. It helps determine when to time the refeed days. Of course this is too much work for many so you have these brute force diets like HCG, etc. taking hold.
I don't see how daily tracking solves that. I tracked calories consumed and burned (with a BodyBugg) for months. I had a 2000 calorie defecit every day for four months. I had some plateaus, but refeeding didn't help me until I was in the last 25 lbs or so of my weight loss.
Zoinks! How many calories were you taking in Scoob?
 
This is why daily tracking is required. It helps determine when to time the refeed days. Of course this is too much work for many so you have these brute force diets like HCG, etc. taking hold.
I don't see how daily tracking solves that. I tracked calories consumed and burned (with a BodyBugg) for months. I had a 2000 calorie defecit every day for four months. I had some plateaus, but refeeding didn't help me until I was in the last 25 lbs or so of my weight loss.
Zoinks! How many calories were you taking in Scoob?
In the beginning, around 1200.
 
I want to lose 20-25 lbs fast. What do you recommend?

I regularly eat about 500-1000 calories too much on a weekly basis and gain weight at the rate of about 1 pound/month.

 
I want to lose 20-25 lbs fast. What do you recommend?I regularly eat about 500-1000 calories too much on a weekly basis and gain weight at the rate of about 1 pound/month.
For me, I can shred weight fast by attempting to limit my meals to 400 calories at a time and drinking only water through out the day. You can have one of these 400 calorie meals every 3-4 hours if need be, but just try not to eat much more than that at once.
 
I want to lose 20-25 lbs fast. What do you recommend?I regularly eat about 500-1000 calories too much on a weekly basis and gain weight at the rate of about 1 pound/month.
What I did at first was a highly structured, doctor's supervised program where I wasn't eating a lot of actual food. But I had a ton of weight to lose.Halfway through, as I switched to eating food and being more active, I adodted paleo/primal principles (and probably upped the calories up to about 1800 a day). I don't really have off the shelf advice, particularly for people looking to lose more modest amounts of weight. I think eating closer to "Primal" will help most people, but I don't think it's an end all/be all answer for weight loss. Still, you might think about what foods give you the most trouble. For me, I can basically eat ad libidum so long as I avoid wheat, severely limit sugar, and try to avoid commercial seed/vegetable oils. YMMV, and of course, I'm much more active now.
 
The diet that I usually point people to for long term weight loss has you track your calories and weight each day. When you hit one of these walls it's actually time for a few cheat days for a few reasons, the diet people call this "refeed" for lack of a better term. There is tons of evidence for this helping people that want to lose weight and maintain/grow muscle as they lose weight.
Tracking weight each day seems odd...because of water retention your weight will fluctuate quite a bit on a daily basis.Not sure weighing every day has a benefit. Think it might be terrible for those who would get fed up with it or worry about it when its not going down each day or goes up a few pounds one day.
 
The diet that I usually point people to for long term weight loss has you track your calories and weight each day. When you hit one of these walls it's actually time for a few cheat days for a few reasons, the diet people call this "refeed" for lack of a better term. There is tons of evidence for this helping people that want to lose weight and maintain/grow muscle as they lose weight.
Tracking weight each day seems odd...because of water retention your weight will fluctuate quite a bit on a daily basis.Not sure weighing every day has a benefit. Think it might be terrible for those who would get fed up with it or worry about it when its not going down each day or goes up a few pounds one day.
I step on the scale every morning before I hop in the shower. The daily number doesn't mean much, but I can change my habits in a hurry if I start to notice a trend.
 
Yeah, I do think that this term is used too uncritically. Let's be honest, concentration camp survivors didn't complain about stalled weight loss.

It is true that severe caloric defecits have been shown to reduce your body's resting metabolic rate beyond that which would be predicted solely by your reduction in weight. For instance, a study of Biggest Loser contestants found their BMR's were 20% lower than predicted. It is also true that caloric defecits, particularly when combined with heavy exercise, causes the body to produce cortisol and that cortisol has some role in causing the body to hold on to some bodyfat in some areas.

For that reason, I don't think a heavy caloric defecit and stressful exercise at the same time is an optimal weight loss strategy. But I do think that a heavy caloric defecit over a prolonged period of time will result in continued weight loss. That's what happens when people starve. Obviously not the healthiest way to do it.
I wouldn't post this but again this week I find myself agreeing with Scoob here. He's right, there were no fat people in any of the pictures. That's not funny at all but it's the truth. I once went 3 days without eating much, mostly water, little bit of produce, lost 10 lbs quickly. Calorie restriction is almost bulletproof to lose weight.
 
The diet that I usually point people to for long term weight loss has you track your calories and weight each day. When you hit one of these walls it's actually time for a few cheat days for a few reasons, the diet people call this "refeed" for lack of a better term. There is tons of evidence for this helping people that want to lose weight and maintain/grow muscle as they lose weight.
Tracking weight each day seems odd...because of water retention your weight will fluctuate quite a bit on a daily basis.Not sure weighing every day has a benefit. Think it might be terrible for those who would get fed up with it or worry about it when its not going down each day or goes up a few pounds one day.
I step on the scale every morning before I hop in the shower. The daily number doesn't mean much, but I can change my habits in a hurry if I start to notice a trend.
Ive been shedding pounds and training over the last 6 months or so.I step on it from time to time...but typically only pay attention to the numbers once a week.The others are going to be so off from day to day they are almost pointless.Yes, I want to see if there is some huge gain and I then analyze what I did (usually a day that may have been high in salt at some point causing me to retain some water weight).
 
if you are taking in only 1000 calories a day you're putting yourself in a situation where your body is going to slow itself down. starvation diets are horrible, because as soon as you reintroduce the calories your body will turn it into fat. i guess if you want to look good for a couple days at the beach then go back to looking like jabba, its a great diet. but if you want to permanently reduce your body size you need to permanently change your eating and exercising habits.

 
if you are taking in only 1000 calories a day you're putting yourself in a situation where your body is going to slow itself down. starvation diets are horrible, because as soon as you reintroduce the calories your body will turn it into fat. i guess if you want to look good for a couple days at the beach then go back to looking like jabba, its a great diet. but if you want to permanently reduce your body size you need to permanently change your eating and exercising habits.
Agreed but after you get by on fruits and veggies, and nuts/beans for a couple weeks, you usually don't want to ruin that with Burger King right away. You tend to gravitate towards healthier choices one you like the way you are starting to look.
 
I'm going to starve myself today and then go play racquetball for a couple hours. I need to lose this weight fast so I can start eating pizza again.

 
First, since I graduated HS, I've never been more than 15 lbs more than I am now or 10 lbs less (very steady) and am very active so never really had to lose weight except to look better. Anyways, after switching to MDA Primal style eating and limiting carbs it seems my whole metabolic fueling system changed. It took a few weeks, but I feel like a diesel engine instead of an engine that used high-performance unleaded. I also incorporate intermittent fasting, typically some form 3-5 days per week. Once I turnded deisel, it's easy to skip breakfast into the afternoon, similar to what Lean Gains recommends (a 12 to 16 hour fast window if I remember right). I don't overthink it, when I'm hungry I eat, but more often than not, I'm really not that hungry in the morning and my body can handle low-aerobic workouts just fine up through lunch when I get hungry again. There's no way I could do that on a "traditional" diet or when I'm working out hard in the morning and would adjust accordingly. Also, intermittent fasting doesn't slow down metabolism (check out the Lean Gains and Mark's Daily Apple, they have some good discussion on this issue), just burns primarily from fat stores from what I've read. Would recommend cutting out carbs, creating a minor deficit in calories, and watch the lbs melt off.

 
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First, since I graduated HS, I've never been more than 15 lbs more than I am now or 10 lbs less (very steady) and am very active so never really had to lose weight except to look better. Anyways, after switching to MDA Primal style eating and limiting carbs it seems my whole metabolic fueling system changed. It took a few weeks, but I feel like a diesel engine instead of an engine that used high-performance unleaded. I also incorporate intermittent fasting, typically some form 3-5 days per week. Once I turnded deisel, it's easy to skip breakfast into the afternoon, similar to what Lean Gains recommends (a 12 to 16 hour fast window if I remember right). I don't overthink it, when I'm hungry I eat, but more often than not, I'm really not that hungry in the morning and my body can handle low-aerobic workouts just fine up through lunch when I get hungry again. There's no way I could do that on a "traditional" diet or when I'm working out hard in the morning and would adjust accordingly. Also, intermittent fasting doesn't slow down metabolism (check out the Lean Gains and Mark's Daily Apple, they have some good discussion on this issue), just burns primarily from fat stores from what I've read. Would recommend cutting out carbs, creating a minor deficit in calories, and watch the lbs melt off.
Fruit?
 
Got a question, and really didn't want to start a new thread so i picked a random one. i eat horrendously, so it shouldn't be hard to improve. got a friend trying to talk me into isagenix. http://www.isagenix.com/?sc_lang=en-US

i trust this friend to not rip me off, but it is a pyramid scheme. i'm cool with that, as long as this diet really works. anybody hear of it or know anything about it?

 
Got a question, and really didn't want to start a new thread so i picked a random one. i eat horrendously, so it shouldn't be hard to improve. got a friend trying to talk me into isagenix. http://www.isagenix.com/?sc_lang=en-US

i trust this friend to not rip me off, but it is a pyramid scheme. i'm cool with that, as long as this diet really works. anybody hear of it or know anything about it?
You'll never convince me that this stuff is not snake oil - unless you're a hot chick.

 
Got a question, and really didn't want to start a new thread so i picked a random one. i eat horrendously, so it shouldn't be hard to improve. got a friend trying to talk me into isagenix. http://www.isagenix.com/?sc_lang=en-US

i trust this friend to not rip me off, but it is a pyramid scheme. i'm cool with that, as long as this diet really works. anybody hear of it or know anything about it?
You'll never convince me that this stuff is not snake oil - unless you're a hot chick.
well, i won't be convincing you then. i think i might dive into it, so i can at least give 100% honest answer after i do it. it should be easy for me to lose weight though cause my current diet is horrible

 
Most effective diet tip I've gotten is to chug a big glass of water before your meals. You'll feel full faster and be less likely to overeat.

 
Got a question, and really didn't want to start a new thread so i picked a random one. i eat horrendously, so it shouldn't be hard to improve. got a friend trying to talk me into isagenix. http://www.isagenix.com/?sc_lang=en-US

i trust this friend to not rip me off, but it is a pyramid scheme. i'm cool with that, as long as this diet really works. anybody hear of it or know anything about it?
It's a more expensive Version of shakeology and that's amazing because shakeology is about as expensive a system as there was prior to this.

 
Got a question, and really didn't want to start a new thread so i picked a random one. i eat horrendously, so it shouldn't be hard to improve. got a friend trying to talk me into isagenix. http://www.isagenix.com/?sc_lang=en-US

i trust this friend to not rip me off, but it is a pyramid scheme. i'm cool with that, as long as this diet really works. anybody hear of it or know anything about it?
It's a more expensive Version of shakeology and that's amazing because shakeology is about as expensive a system as there was prior to this.
hah ok. i believe it too. seems like some crap she was selling me on the phone. might do it to help her out, and my wife was thinking of doing it too

 
Got a question, and really didn't want to start a new thread so i picked a random one. i eat horrendously, so it shouldn't be hard to improve. got a friend trying to talk me into isagenix. http://www.isagenix.com/?sc_lang=en-US

i trust this friend to not rip me off, but it is a pyramid scheme. i'm cool with that, as long as this diet really works. anybody hear of it or know anything about it?
It's a more expensive Version of shakeology and that's amazing because shakeology is about as expensive a system as there was prior to this.
hah ok. i believe it too. seems like some crap she was selling me on the phone. might do it to help her out, and my wife was thinking of doing it too
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