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Dion Lewis (3 Viewers)

Never thought I'd say this, but I would trade Abdullah for Lewis in redraft ...but how is your bench so loaded that you have to drop him?

 
Now is the time to take advantage of the fact that Lewis doesn't carry name value and is on a bye. I'm trying to trade for him in every league I don't own him in.

 
Just dealt Steve Smith Sr. for Lewis straight up.
Tried the same, they came back asking for either Julio or Gronk.
Goes to show that his value is all over the place. Some see him as a RB1 type, others view him as a hard to figure out pass catcher in a RBBC.

I'm all done trying to acquire in my leagues, but I'd think the strategy is to make a nice offer that isn't completely insulting to the "RB1 types" while leaving enough meat on the bone for value. Most owners will at least dance given the lack of name value, speculation & that he was probably free or nearly free for them.

A quality WR2 or a 2nd rounder is a good place to start IMO.

 
Just dealt Steve Smith Sr. for Lewis straight up.
everyone knows lewis was a waiver claim and with blounts 3 TDs people arent willing to pay much for him yet in my leagues. getting offers of benjamin and matt jones and other waiver wonders. i would trade away lewis for steve smith in a heartbeat though, lewis has the higher floor but wont touch smiths ceiling, with perriman having knee surgery smith could end with 35% of the ravens targets this season.

 
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Just dealt Steve Smith Sr. for Lewis straight up.
everyone knows lewis was a waiver claim and with blounts 3 TDs people arent willing to pay much for him yet in my leagues. getting offers of benjamin and matt jones and other waiver wonders. i would trade away lewis for steve smith in a heartbeat though, lewis has the higher floor but wont touch smiths ceiling, with perriman having knee surgery smith could end with 35% of the ravens targets this season.
WR2's (Smith's realistic ceiling) are a lot easier to get than a RB1 (Lewis' realistic ceiling)

Plus most people who have Steve Smith at this point probably had him as their WR3 or WR4 going in to the year so probably don't need his production. Hard to trust your opinion when less than a week ago you stated that Cadet would eat into Lewis' production.

 
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Just dealt Steve Smith Sr. for Lewis straight up.
everyone knows lewis was a waiver claim and with blounts 3 TDs people arent willing to pay much for him yet in my leagues. getting offers of benjamin and matt jones and other waiver wonders. i would trade away lewis for steve smith in a heartbeat though, lewis has the higher floor but wont touch smiths ceiling, with perriman having knee surgery smith could end with 35% of the ravens targets this season.
Obviously depends on your team.

But I´d rather hitch my wagon to the 25 year old current lead back on one of the best offenses we´ve seen in the last 10 years, than a 36 year old WR (and I´m a huge fan of Smith as a football player).

 
well i was half right, it was blount and white that ate into lewis' production not cadet. cadet had been injured for over two months and kept getting setbacks so he was at the end of the line, the pats needed that roster spot. same thing happened to lewis in cleveland. i just cant trust a scatback that runs a 4.6 and gets caught from behind by LBs. he is forsett 2.0 being propped up by scheme and BB changes schemes weekly.

 
well i was half right, it was blount and white that ate into lewis' production not cadet. cadet had been injured for over two months and kept getting setbacks so he was at the end of the line, the pats needed that roster spot. same thing happened to lewis in cleveland. i just cant trust a scatback that runs a 4.6 and gets caught from behind by LBs. he is forsett 2.0 being propped up by scheme and BB changes schemes weekly.
You are so off on this that its almost impressive.

 
well i was half right, it was blount and white that ate into lewis' production not cadet. cadet had been injured for over two months and kept getting setbacks so he was at the end of the line, the pats needed that roster spot. same thing happened to lewis in cleveland. i just cant trust a scatback that runs a 4.6 and gets caught from behind by LBs. he is forsett 2.0 being propped up by scheme and BB changes schemes weekly.
The delusion is strong with this one.

Why do you have such a severe bias as to ignore all observational and empirical evidence that says you are completely wrong? Further, just because you say he's a "scatback" doesn't make it so.

 
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well i was half right, it was blount and white that ate into lewis' production not cadet. cadet had been injured for over two months and kept getting setbacks so he was at the end of the line, the pats needed that roster spot. same thing happened to lewis in cleveland. i just cant trust a scatback that runs a 4.6 and gets caught from behind by LBs. he is forsett 2.0 being propped up by scheme and BB changes schemes weekly.
You were right along the lines that a broke clock is right twice a day.

Blount will get his carries, but the Pats offense will be operating out spread or no huddle a significant portion of the time. Lewis will be the guy in those sets. White didn't see the field in the first two weeks, as the games were not completely out of reach. Once this one got there, White took over for Lewis ( who still put up 17 in the first half PPR ). White will not be eating into Lewis' production in any meaningful way while they are both healthy and Lewis is holding on to the ball. He doesn't provide the same level of production as either a runner or receiver.

Blount, on the other hand, will have games where he will be featured, which will limit Lewis some. In those games, Lewis will still have a decent floor as the receiving back. In games against a stout front, Lewis should see the lion's share of snaps. So far, he has made the most of those snaps.

Finally, you mention that he doesn't have the measurables that you want in a RB, but he's been productive in BB's scheme. As a long time Pats fan, one thing I think BB does better than any coach I've seen is adapt to his personnel. While Lewis doesn't have the size/speed combination of a typical bellcow RB, he has an agility and vision skillset that can be used if you're not locked into a "system". BB and staff have seen what Lewis can do, and are putting together game plans that take advantage of his skill set to create mismatches.

He's not a prototype RB1, but in PPR, I expect he will continue to score well, and could easily finish in the top 12. For a waiver wire pickup, he's a gem. He'll be a staple in my lineup.

 
Just dealt Steve Smith Sr. for Lewis straight up.
everyone knows lewis was a waiver claim and with blounts 3 TDs people arent willing to pay much for him yet in my leagues. getting offers of benjamin and matt jones and other waiver wonders. i would trade away lewis for steve smith in a heartbeat though, lewis has the higher floor but wont touch smiths ceiling, with perriman having knee surgery smith could end with 35% of the ravens targets this season.
WR2's (Smith's realistic ceiling) are a lot easier to get than a RB1 (Lewis' realistic ceiling)

Plus most people who have Steve Smith at this point probably had him as their WR3 or WR4 going in to the year so probably don't need his production. Hard to trust your opinion when less than a week ago you stated that Cadet would eat into Lewis' production.
I think you guys are talking about different types of leagues. In redraft, Smith for Lewis makes a lot of sense. In dynasty, not so much. It's not stretching to believe Smith could have more value THIS YEAR depending on roster construction and league rules.

 
Just dealt Steve Smith Sr. for Lewis straight up.
everyone knows lewis was a waiver claim and with blounts 3 TDs people arent willing to pay much for him yet in my leagues. getting offers of benjamin and matt jones and other waiver wonders. i would trade away lewis for steve smith in a heartbeat though, lewis has the higher floor but wont touch smiths ceiling, with perriman having knee surgery smith could end with 35% of the ravens targets this season.
WR2's (Smith's realistic ceiling) are a lot easier to get than a RB1 (Lewis' realistic ceiling)

Plus most people who have Steve Smith at this point probably had him as their WR3 or WR4 going in to the year so probably don't need his production. Hard to trust your opinion when less than a week ago you stated that Cadet would eat into Lewis' production.
I think you guys are talking about different types of leagues. In redraft, Smith for Lewis makes a lot of sense. In dynasty, not so much. It's not stretching to believe Smith could have more value THIS YEAR depending on roster construction and league rules.
I was assuming redraft as Smith is retiring. Of course its not a complete stretch that Smith could outproduce in terms of raw points, but even if he does positional rarity says Lewis if more valueable.

Either way, any format, I'd take Lewis over Smith.

 
Dropping Ameer for Dion today. Dion was dropped for Blount after his performance.

I feel pretty good about it, but I also feel like someone could end up getting a wire steal in Ameer. Oh fantasy football...
You have no one else to drop, a backup QB or even your defense while you figure things out

Nope. I'm maxed at RB so I had to drop one to get one.

Current RB's:

CJ Anderson

Jeremy Hill

Joe Randle

Arian Foster

Dion Lewis

Karlos Williams

CJ and Hill were my 1 & 2 picks. I hated dropping Ameer but I feel they're similar players with similar situations, except Lewis is on a much better offense. I put a claim in for Karlos and got him this morning. I considered dropping him for Lewis but I'm in a bit of a win now mode and need him to start for me this week. I squeaked out 2 wins so far but I'm the 3rd lowest scoring team thus far and don't expect my luck to continue if I don't get crafty (thanks CJ and Hill).
 
Just dealt Steve Smith Sr. for Lewis straight up.
everyone knows lewis was a waiver claim and with blounts 3 TDs people arent willing to pay much for him yet in my leagues. getting offers of benjamin and matt jones and other waiver wonders. i would trade away lewis for steve smith in a heartbeat though, lewis has the higher floor but wont touch smiths ceiling, with perriman having knee surgery smith could end with 35% of the ravens targets this season.
WR2's (Smith's realistic ceiling) are a lot easier to get than a RB1 (Lewis' realistic ceiling)Plus most people who have Steve Smith at this point probably had him as their WR3 or WR4 going in to the year so probably don't need his production. Hard to trust your opinion when less than a week ago you stated that Cadet would eat into Lewis' production.
I think you guys are talking about different types of leagues. In redraft, Smith for Lewis makes a lot of sense. In dynasty, not so much. It's not stretching to believe Smith could have more value THIS YEAR depending on roster construction and league rules.
Trading Smith for Lewis makes even more sense in dynasty than it does in redraft.

 
Just dealt Steve Smith Sr. for Lewis straight up.
everyone knows lewis was a waiver claim and with blounts 3 TDs people arent willing to pay much for him yet in my leagues. getting offers of benjamin and matt jones and other waiver wonders. i would trade away lewis for steve smith in a heartbeat though, lewis has the higher floor but wont touch smiths ceiling, with perriman having knee surgery smith could end with 35% of the ravens targets this season.
WR2's (Smith's realistic ceiling) are a lot easier to get than a RB1 (Lewis' realistic ceiling)Plus most people who have Steve Smith at this point probably had him as their WR3 or WR4 going in to the year so probably don't need his production. Hard to trust your opinion when less than a week ago you stated that Cadet would eat into Lewis' production.
I think you guys are talking about different types of leagues. In redraft, Smith for Lewis makes a lot of sense. In dynasty, not so much. It's not stretching to believe Smith could have more value THIS YEAR depending on roster construction and league rules.
Absolutely. But it helps to show readonable value.

 
cowboys88 said:
Dropping Ameer for Dion today. Dion was dropped for Blount after his performance.

I feel pretty good about it, but I also feel like someone could end up getting a wire steal in Ameer. Oh fantasy football...
Lol sounds like a fun league

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Rimez said:
well i was half right, it was blount and white that ate into lewis' production not cadet. cadet had been injured for over two months and kept getting setbacks so he was at the end of the line, the pats needed that roster spot. same thing happened to lewis in cleveland. i just cant trust a scatback that runs a 4.6 and gets caught from behind by LBs. he is forsett 2.0 being propped up by scheme and BB changes schemes weekly.
You are so off on this that its almost impressive.
:goodposting:

 
Four Footballguys staff have recent dynasty RB rankings up.

One guy has Lewis ranked RB36 (rankings done after Week 2)

Three have him at RB44, RB41, RB17 (rankings done after Week 3)

Composite is RB31.

 
Four Footballguys staff have recent dynasty RB rankings up.

One guy has Lewis ranked RB36 (rankings done after Week 2)

Three have him at RB44, RB41, RB17 (rankings done after Week 3)

Composite is RB31.
Wow. Glad I don't pay any attention to their rankings. I'm thinking they are probably asleep at the wheel when updating dynasty rankings in season. I can't fathom two "pros" ranking Christine Michael higher.

Kudos to you for have him at 17, I know Adam & Sig are pounding the table for him now on Twitter.

 
Four Footballguys staff have recent dynasty RB rankings up.

One guy has Lewis ranked RB36 (rankings done after Week 2)

Three have him at RB44, RB41, RB17 (rankings done after Week 3)

Composite is RB31.
Wow. Glad I don't pay any attention to their rankings. I'm thinking they are probably asleep at the wheel when updating dynasty rankings in season. I can't fathom two "pros" ranking Christine Michael higher.

Kudos to you for have him at 17, I know Adam & Sig are pounding the table for him now on Twitter.
I don't know that my ranking is better than theirs, only time will tell. Just putting them all out there for some perspective.

In a month the #17 might look like a joke, but he's definitely getting the touches and performing well, and seems to have the trust of his coaches. He's 25 years old and the RB1 for the best offense in the league so far.

 
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I don't know that my ranking is better than theirs, only time will tell. Just putting them all out there for some perspective.

In a month the #17 might look like a joke, but he's definitely getting the touches and performing well, and seems to have the trust of his coaches. He's 25 and the RB1 for the best offense so far in the league.
Anything can happen sure, but to say there are 40+ RBs that are better assets in dynasty is just absurd. I'd like to know their process for rankings.

 
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I didn't keep up with this entire conversation, but are people overlooking how Belichick uses running backs differently towards the end of the season? I think Lewis is a guy you can use right now, but will diminish as the season progresses.

I only have Lewis in redraft leagues, so I'm not sure of the dynasty implications, but I sold Lewis in all leagues this week. I'm not sure when Belichick is going to start changing up his backs, but I think it's a matter of when, not if it will happen. Feel free to disagree.

I was able to get Gore, Forsett, and Marshawn Lynch in the three leagues where I traded him.

 
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I didn't keep up with this entire conversation, but are people overlooking how Belicheck uses running backs differently towards the end of the season? I think Lewis is a guy you can use right now, but will diminish as the season progresses.

I only have Lewis in redraft leagues, so I'm not sure of the dynasty implications, but I sold Lewis in all leagues this week. I'm not sure when Belicheck is going to start changing up his backs, but I think it's a matter of when, not if it will happen. Feel free to disagree.

I was able to get Gore, Forsett, and Marshawn Lynch in the three leagues where I traded him.
I did the splits on Vereen/Blount/Ridley from 2012-2014 about 5-10 pages ago because the cold weather narrative came up. Spoiler: the numbers don't back it up.

They do pass a bit more, but that will only help keep Lewis on the field.

 
I don't know that my ranking is better than theirs, only time will tell. Just putting them all out there for some perspective.

In a month the #17 might look like a joke, but he's definitely getting the touches and performing well, and seems to have the trust of his coaches. He's 25 and the RB1 for the best offense so far in the league.
Anything can happen sure, but to say there are 40+ RBs that are better assets in dynasty is just absurd. I'd like to know their process for rankings.
I can agree with 40+ RBs being more valuable than Lewis. I certainly wouldn't say that it is absurd. Weren't Jonas Gray and James White both getting similar production on a week to week basis at one point?

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Rimez said:
well i was half right, it was blount and white that ate into lewis' production not cadet. cadet had been injured for over two months and kept getting setbacks so he was at the end of the line, the pats needed that roster spot. same thing happened to lewis in cleveland. i just cant trust a scatback that runs a 4.6 and gets caught from behind by LBs. he is forsett 2.0 being propped up by scheme and BB changes schemes weekly.
You are so off on this that its almost impressive.
:goodposting:
It's either willfully ignorant, or a deliberate attempt to misdirect. :ph34r:

 
I didn't keep up with this entire conversation, but are people overlooking how Belicheck uses running backs differently towards the end of the season? I think Lewis is a guy you can use right now, but will diminish as the season progresses.

I only have Lewis in redraft leagues, so I'm not sure of the dynasty implications, but I sold Lewis in all leagues this week. I'm not sure when Belicheck is going to start changing up his backs, but I think it's a matter of when, not if it will happen. Feel free to disagree.

I was able to get Gore, Forsett, and Marshawn Lynch in the three leagues where I traded him.
I did the splits on Vereen/Blount/Ridley from 2012-2014 about 5-10 pages ago because the cold weather narrative came up. Spoiler: the numbers don't back it up.

They do pass a bit more, but that will only help keep Lewis on the field.
Fair point. I missed a lot of the discussion. Hopefully, I didn't get beat up too bad on the trades I made, lol.

 
I didn't keep up with this entire conversation, but are people overlooking how Belicheck uses running backs differently towards the end of the season? I think Lewis is a guy you can use right now, but will diminish as the season progresses.

I only have Lewis in redraft leagues, so I'm not sure of the dynasty implications, but I sold Lewis in all leagues this week. I'm not sure when Belicheck is going to start changing up his backs, but I think it's a matter of when, not if it will happen. Feel free to disagree.

I was able to get Gore, Forsett, and Marshawn Lynch in the three leagues where I traded him.
I did the splits on Vereen/Blount/Ridley from 2012-2014 about 5-10 pages ago because the cold weather narrative came up. Spoiler: the numbers don't back it up.

They do pass a bit more, but that will only help keep Lewis on the field.
Fair point. I missed a lot of the discussion. Hopefully, I didn't get beat up too bad on the trades I made, lol.
I think you should go back to about page 8 or so, good discussion as to why he's not Jonas Gray, James White or even Shane Vereen.

What kind of trades did you make for market clarity, of course.

 
I don't think 35-40 or so is unrealistic for Lewis in Dynasty. I love him in redraft leagues the rest of this season but long-term I have no idea how things could shake out. The picture could get much clearer as the season goes on but right now I'd be reluctant to rank him too high in Dynasty.

 
I don't think 35-40 or so is unrealistic for Lewis in Dynasty. I love him in redraft leagues the rest of this season but long-term I have no idea how things could shake out. The picture could get much clearer as the season goes on but right now I'd be reluctant to rank him too high in Dynasty.
There are plenty of ?'s around some of the names in that area that have not shown the production capacity or talent level of Lewis. Agree to disagree I guess, rankings are subjective. I'd be curious to see where Adam & Sig have him ranked for dynasty purposes.

 
I didn't keep up with this entire conversation, but are people overlooking how Belicheck uses running backs differently towards the end of the season? I think Lewis is a guy you can use right now, but will diminish as the season progresses.

I only have Lewis in redraft leagues, so I'm not sure of the dynasty implications, but I sold Lewis in all leagues this week. I'm not sure when Belicheck is going to start changing up his backs, but I think it's a matter of when, not if it will happen. Feel free to disagree.

I was able to get Gore, Forsett, and Marshawn Lynch in the three leagues where I traded him.
I did the splits on Vereen/Blount/Ridley from 2012-2014 about 5-10 pages ago because the cold weather narrative came up. Spoiler: the numbers don't back it up.

They do pass a bit more, but that will only help keep Lewis on the field.
Fair point. I missed a lot of the discussion. Hopefully, I didn't get beat up too bad on the trades I made, lol.
I think you should go back to about page 8 or so, good discussion as to why he's not Jonas Gray, James White or even Shane Vereen.

What kind of trades did you make for market clarity, of course.
Dion Lewis for Marshawn Lynch (ppr)

Dion Lewis for Frank Gore and Sam Bradford (ppr, qb scoring heavy)

Dion Lewis for Justin Forsett (ppr)

all redraft

 
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I wouldn't of done any of those moves, but can see them going either way. Was expecting them to be lighter, so not bad.

 
I didn't keep up with this entire conversation, but are people overlooking how Belicheck uses running backs differently towards the end of the season? I think Lewis is a guy you can use right now, but will diminish as the season progresses.

I only have Lewis in redraft leagues, so I'm not sure of the dynasty implications, but I sold Lewis in all leagues this week. I'm not sure when Belicheck is going to start changing up his backs, but I think it's a matter of when, not if it will happen. Feel free to disagree.

I was able to get Gore, Forsett, and Marshawn Lynch in the three leagues where I traded him.
I did the splits on Vereen/Blount/Ridley from 2012-2014 about 5-10 pages ago because the cold weather narrative came up. Spoiler: the numbers don't back it up.

They do pass a bit more, but that will only help keep Lewis on the field.
Fair point. I missed a lot of the discussion. Hopefully, I didn't get beat up too bad on the trades I made, lol.
I think you should go back to about page 8 or so, good discussion as to why he's not Jonas Gray, James White or even Shane Vereen.

What kind of trades did you make for market clarity, of course.
Trying to get Lewis (keepers league):

Tyrod Taylor for Dion Lewis (he has Bridgewater, Cousins and Romo) ---> Denied

Tyrod Taylor and P Dorsett for Dion Lewis ----> Denied

Tyrod Taylor and Ivory for D Lewis -----> Denied

 
I didn't keep up with this entire conversation, but are people overlooking how Belicheck uses running backs differently towards the end of the season? I think Lewis is a guy you can use right now, but will diminish as the season progresses.

I only have Lewis in redraft leagues, so I'm not sure of the dynasty implications, but I sold Lewis in all leagues this week. I'm not sure when Belicheck is going to start changing up his backs, but I think it's a matter of when, not if it will happen. Feel free to disagree.

I was able to get Gore, Forsett, and Marshawn Lynch in the three leagues where I traded him.
I did the splits on Vereen/Blount/Ridley from 2012-2014 about 5-10 pages ago because the cold weather narrative came up. Spoiler: the numbers don't back it up.

They do pass a bit more, but that will only help keep Lewis on the field.
Fair point. I missed a lot of the discussion. Hopefully, I didn't get beat up too bad on the trades I made, lol.
I think you should go back to about page 8 or so, good discussion as to why he's not Jonas Gray, James White or even Shane Vereen.

What kind of trades did you make for market clarity, of course.
Trying to get Lewis (keepers league):

Tyrod Taylor for Dion Lewis (he has Bridgewater, Cousins and Romo) ---> Denied

Tyrod Taylor and P Dorsett for Dion Lewis ----> Denied

Tyrod Taylor and Ivory for D Lewis -----> Denied
It can be hard to trade for guys like Lewis right now - many owners who have them are patting themselves on the back, looking at Lewis like a proud son of theirs because they had the foresight to grab him. They often overvalue him..

 
many owners who have them are patting themselves on the back, looking at Lewis like a proud son of theirs because they had the foresight to grab him. They often overvalue him..
Kind of like how many non-owners have been looking at Lewis like a scorned ex-lover. They often undervalue him.

 
many owners who have them are patting themselves on the back, looking at Lewis like a proud son of theirs because they had the foresight to grab him. They often overvalue him..
Kind of like how many non-owners have been looking at Lewis like a scorned ex-lover. They often undervalue him.
It's comments like these that turn threads adversarial instead of informative. I like hearing what other people are offering and are being offered for him.

As a Dion owner (redraft, non-ppr) I worry that I am overvaluing him (same with Karlos Williams).

 
many owners who have them are patting themselves on the back, looking at Lewis like a proud son of theirs because they had the foresight to grab him. They often overvalue him..
Kind of like how many non-owners have been looking at Lewis like a scorned ex-lover. They often undervalue him.
It's comments like these that turn threads adversarial instead of informative. I like hearing what other people are offering and are being offered for him.

As a Dion owner (redraft, non-ppr) I worry that I am overvaluing him (same with Karlos Williams).
I agree, little too caffeinated this morning. Sorry.

 
It can be hard to trade for guys like Lewis right now - many owners who have them are patting themselves on the back, looking at Lewis like a proud son of theirs because they had the foresight to grab him. They often overvalue him..
I think I'm undervaluing Lewis because of the opportunity cost. I didn't use a high draft pick on him - just a waiver pickup. Maybe I'm not in the majority, though.

 

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