Dissension in the ranks (1 Viewer)

[Mr Anonymous]

The misfortune is you taking anything you can find to try and bash Favre. Somehow trying to call Favre a liar now is downright pathetic.

No, I know he is a liar. And the misfortune is that so many people hold him up like a god when in reality he's not that great a guy.

You want to tell us all the things he has lied about.

I know his version of how things went down this past offseason is chalk full of lies. I'll give you one example that you can hear for yourself. There was a time earlier in Favre's career when Favre and Paul Hornung played golf and drank all day together. Later that night when a guest of Hornung's on a radio show, when Hornung asked about Favre ever relaxing and having a drink, Favre blatantly lied and said he hadn't had a drop to drink in years. You can find that in the ESPN SportsCentury episode on Brett Favre. That's just one, not a biggie no doubt, but an example nonetheless.The context of course being that this took place after Favre had gone to rehab for his addiction to painkillers and had moved past the days of drinking heavily and nearly seeing his wife leave him because of his transgretions.

 

[Stinger Ray]

The misfortune is you taking anything you can find to try and bash Favre. Somehow trying to call Favre a liar now is downright pathetic.

No, I know he is a liar. And the misfortune is that so many people hold him up like a god when in reality he's not that great a guy.

You want to tell us all the things he has lied about.

I know his version of how things went down this past offseason is chalk full of lies.

Yet you can't prove it.

 

[Stinger Ray]

The misfortune is you taking anything you can find to try and bash Favre. Somehow trying to call Favre a liar now is downright pathetic.

No, I know he is a liar. And the misfortune is that so many people hold him up like a god when in reality he's not that great a guy.

Favre lovers have blinders on and think all fault lies with the Packers. They do not want to even think for a minute that Favre mishandle the situation also. Favre is not the aw shucks hillbilly that he pretends to be. He has become another primma donna athlete who thinks he did no wrong.

It's a good posting for calling Favre a liar?

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Yet you can't prove it.

Can you prove Favre's version?All I can do is form my beliefs from the media sources I have either spoken to personally, heard on the radio, or read in print. Combine that with the stuff I've heard through back channels and the hinting that I've heard from local media, and that's where I've formed my opinion. What transpired with the Jets lines up exactly with what I've been told about Favre's time in Green Bay. It's pretty well solidfied my trust in the sources I gathered my information from.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Yet you can't prove it.

Can you prove Favre's version?All I can do is form my beliefs from the media sources I have either spoken to personally, heard on the radio, or read in print. Combine that with the stuff I've heard through back channels and the hinting that I've heard from local media, and that's where I've formed my opinion. What transpired with the Jets lines up exactly with what I've been told about Favre's time in Green Bay. It's pretty well solidfied my trust in the sources I gathered my information from.

Keep on hating!

 

[Irish]

The misfortune is you taking anything you can find to try and bash Favre. Somehow trying to call Favre a liar now is downright pathetic.

No, I know he is a liar. And the misfortune is that so many people hold him up like a god when in reality he's not that great a guy.

Favre lovers have blinders on and think all fault lies with the Packers. They do not want to even think for a minute that Favre mishandle the situation also. Favre is not the aw shucks hillbilly that he pretends to be. He has become another primma donna athlete who thinks he did no wrong.

It's a good posting for calling Favre a liar?

Yes. I know it is hard for some of you to believe that gasp.....Favre is human and has lied. Very rarely when there is 2 sides of a story pertaining to a series of events, is one side telling the total truth.

 

[Stinger Ray]

The misfortune is you taking anything you can find to try and bash Favre. Somehow trying to call Favre a liar now is downright pathetic.

No, I know he is a liar. And the misfortune is that so many people hold him up like a god when in reality he's not that great a guy.

Favre lovers have blinders on and think all fault lies with the Packers. They do not want to even think for a minute that Favre mishandle the situation also. Favre is not the aw shucks hillbilly that he pretends to be. He has become another primma donna athlete who thinks he did no wrong.

It's a good posting for calling Favre a liar?

Yes. I know it is hard for some of you to believe that gasp.....Favre is human and has lied. Very rarely when there is 2 sides of a story pertaining to a series of events, is one side telling the total truth.

Again.....you haters want to believe that but there hasn't been anything reported that Favre lied about his departure from the Packers. Keep on hatin!

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Keep on hating!

At the end of the day that's all ya got, huh? I must hate the player most responsible for the great run my favorite team has had over the last decade and a half.

 

[zDragon]

The misfortune is you taking anything you can find to try and bash Favre. Somehow trying to call Favre a liar now is downright pathetic.

No, I know he is a liar. And the misfortune is that so many people hold him up like a god when in reality he's not that great a guy.

Favre lovers have blinders on and think all fault lies with the Packers. They do not want to even think for a minute that Favre mishandle the situation also. Favre is not the aw shucks hillbilly that he pretends to be. He has become another primma donna athlete who thinks he did no wrong.

It's a good posting for calling Favre a liar?

Yes. I know it is hard for some of you to believe that gasp.....Favre is human and has lied. Very rarely when there is 2 sides of a story pertaining to a series of events, is one side telling the total truth.

Again.....you haters want to believe that but there hasn't been anything reported that Favre lied about his departure from the Packers. Keep on hatin!

You didn't read the full post and catch the "Personnel media connections, Back-Channels and local media hints".

 

[Irish]

The misfortune is you taking anything you can find to try and bash Favre. Somehow trying to call Favre a liar now is downright pathetic.

No, I know he is a liar. And the misfortune is that so many people hold him up like a god when in reality he's not that great a guy.

Favre lovers have blinders on and think all fault lies with the Packers. They do not want to even think for a minute that Favre mishandle the situation also. Favre is not the aw shucks hillbilly that he pretends to be. He has become another primma donna athlete who thinks he did no wrong.

It's a good posting for calling Favre a liar?

Yes. I know it is hard for some of you to believe that gasp.....Favre is human and has lied. Very rarely when there is 2 sides of a story pertaining to a series of events, is one side telling the total truth.

Again.....you haters want to believe that but there hasn't been anything reported that Favre lied about his departure from the Packers. Keep on hatin!

You keep believing if that is what it takes to get you through the day. GB could have handled the situation better, but Favre did not do them or himself any favors in how he handled the situation either.

 

[NoFBinLA]

You know, can we possibly keep the stupi I love Favre, I hate Favre crap out of this thread?

I get it, Favre is/isn't at fault for what happened in Green bay, he is/isn't lying about what happened and in no way is it possible that both sides are at least a little full of ####.

We're talking black and white, right?

I fully support your right to keep that argument going on for the next decade - just keep it in the Rodgers thread where it belongs at least.

Jones saying Favre wasn't playing well in the last quarter of the season has little to nothing to do with that disaster.

Oh, make no doubt, you guys are doing a great job spinning it into Jones' comments. I'd just rather this thread die, float into obscurity than have to go through pages and pages of the same stuff i have read in the Rodgers thread.

Did Jones speak out of turn? Maybe - I haven't heard the interview so I can't say how ESPN - that bastion of new journalism - have spun it. But like so many things, I am betting there is something being blown out of proportion here. I agree with Rhodes that if Favre wants to be a part of this team and lead it, he should be there in the off season. Again I don't know that it needs to be aired in public either though Favre has done that very thing in the past (like with Javon Walker's contract).

Favre will not be hurried any more than he was most of the previous seasons. It will probably drag on for two or more months. As long as he lets the team know a month or so before draft day - so they can plan around his presence or lack thereof, I don't care.

One hopes that a full off season of working around and with the players would help any rift that exists currently.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Jones saying Favre wasn't playing well in the last quarter of the season has little to nothing to do with that disaster.

But Jones didn't say anything about how Favre played the last quarter of the season. Jones comments were about the last game against Miami.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Anyone who is willing to argue so passiontely about Favre's track-record, about the hinted dislike for Favre by Jets players, or any of the questions about Favre's character, including whether or not he has a problem telling the truth, do yourself a favor and read these two articles from August...

Favre to blame for nasty divorce

Favre pushed McCarthy to boiling point

If you're willing to accept it, there are clear examples given of when (gasp) Favre told lies.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Jones saying Favre wasn't playing well in the last quarter of the season has little to nothing to do with that disaster.

But Jones didn't say anything about how Favre played the last quarter of the season. Jones comments were about the last game against Miami.

The point stands.

 

[H.K.]

Any links to what Jones had to say in 2007 when the team was 4-12 and he had 3.6 YPC and one rushing TD? How about his time in Arizona? or Chicago?

 

[Stinger Ray]

Anyone who is willing to argue so passiontely about Favre's track-record, about the hinted dislike for Favre by Jets players, or any of the questions about Favre's character, including whether or not he has a problem telling the truth, do yourself a favor and read these two articles from August...

Favre to blame for nasty divorce

Favre pushed McCarthy to boiling point

If you're willing to accept it, there are clear examples given of when (gasp) Favre told lies.

Looks like the Packers lied based on what Favre told Mort but I assume you think Favre made that up too.“Stuff has been said, stories planted, that just aren’t true. Can I get over all that? I doubt it. … So they can say they welcome me back, but come on, the way they’ve treated me tells you the truth. They don’t want me back, so let’s move on.”

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Anyone who is willing to argue so passiontely about Favre's track-record, about the hinted dislike for Favre by Jets players, or any of the questions about Favre's character, including whether or not he has a problem telling the truth, do yourself a favor and read these two articles from August...

Favre to blame for nasty divorce

Favre pushed McCarthy to boiling point

If you're willing to accept it, there are clear examples given of when (gasp) Favre told lies.

Looks like the Packers lied based on what Favre told Mort but I assume you think Favre made that up too.“Stuff has been said, stories planted, that just aren’t true. Can I get over all that? I doubt it. … So they can say they welcome me back, but come on, the way they’ve treated me tells you the truth. They don’t want me back, so let’s move on.”

Why would I or should I believe Favre when he has a track-record for telling lies to avoid looking bad? He lied throughout the summer and he's lied in the past about things such as having drinks post his addiction to vicodin.And just so I have this straight, your source to show Favre was telling the truth in all this is a quote from Favre? That's real convincing.

 

[flapgreen]

ESPN's Mark Schlereth did a nice job of telling it like it with with regards to Thomas Jones before and after Favre getting to NY because he knows how a great QB can help a running game. To paraphrase, he said considering Jones went from 1 rushing TD to 13 and a 3.6 YPC to 4.5 this year, he should be the one most thankful for what Favre did to save Jones' career. I'll side with the former three time SB Champion on this one, because he is qualified to pass judgment and he is also 100% correct in his assessment.

Jones and any other Jets' players sharing his opinion are classless morons for biting the hand that lifted them out of the gutter. Attitudes like that are why the team was a bunch of losers before Favre showed up this season.

I think the Jets are on the hook for some money with Favre and if Favre is pushed out the door and convinced to retire then in the end it's for the better and helps the TEAM.

I also think the players are more upset over the fact that Favre wasn't a true team-mate than over his play... I know he critiques his play here but, in the end If favre was in the foxhole, if he was in the weight room and gaining the locker room respect like Thomas Jones did, I say no one step up and criticizes his play.....

And Fave didn't lift anyone from the gutter - the team has some real good parts and was optimistic Pre-Favre.

Favre went into New York believing himself to be the savior of the team and above his teammates. That stuff flew in Green Bay because he built his career there and was loved by fans, media, and his team (until he pulled the retirement drama). He was doomed to fail in NY if he didn't change that attitude, and it's obvious that he didn't. Brett needs to retire now or at the very least, leave New York.

 

[The Kerminator]

Anyone who is willing to argue so passiontely about Favre's track-record, about the hinted dislike for Favre by Jets players, or any of the questions about Favre's character, including whether or not he has a problem telling the truth, do yourself a favor and read these two articles from August...

Favre to blame for nasty divorce

Favre pushed McCarthy to boiling point

If you're willing to accept it, there are clear examples given of when (gasp) Favre told lies.

Looks like the Packers lied based on what Favre told Mort but I assume you think Favre made that up too.“Stuff has been said, stories planted, that just aren’t true. Can I get over all that? I doubt it. … So they can say they welcome me back, but come on, the way they’ve treated me tells you the truth. They don’t want me back, so let’s move on.”

Why would I or should I believe Favre when he has a track-record for telling lies to avoid looking bad? He lied throughout the summer and he's lied in the past about things such as having drinks post his addiction to vicodin.And just so I have this straight, your source to show Favre was telling the truth in all this is a quote from Favre? That's real convincing.

Whatever happened to that video footage we saw during training camp of Favre taking laps with a teammate as punishment for fumbling the ball? Wasn't the point of that to show us how he was a great teammate and treated just like everybody else? Seems like light years ago. Favre certainly knows how to use the media to further his image.

 

[fatness]

And just so I have this straight, your source to show Favre was telling the truth in all this is a quote from Favre? That's real convincing.

 

[sho nuff]

Anyone who is willing to argue so passiontely about Favre's track-record, about the hinted dislike for Favre by Jets players, or any of the questions about Favre's character, including whether or not he has a problem telling the truth, do yourself a favor and read these two articles from August...

Favre to blame for nasty divorce

Favre pushed McCarthy to boiling point

If you're willing to accept it, there are clear examples given of when (gasp) Favre told lies.

Looks like the Packers lied based on what Favre told Mort but I assume you think Favre made that up too.“Stuff has been said, stories planted, that just aren’t true. Can I get over all that? I doubt it. … So they can say they welcome me back, but come on, the way they’ve treated me tells you the truth. They don’t want me back, so let’s move on.”

So you think just taking him at his word is proof of something?Dear OJ, you said you did not do it, so I believe you. Singed, Stinger Ray.

Look, IMO, both sides were not truthful throughout and screwed up playing out everything through ESPN.

Anyone even trying to claim neither side lied is in some serious denial.

But going to Favre and just taking his word is the worst type of evidence.

 

[Mario Kart]

Some comments in this thread (about lying and reading into things) reminds me of the thread Mr. Ham began this past summer about Sarah Palin and how her last kid was really her teenage daughters kid and not Sarah's. For those of you who do not know... Mr. Ham looked up every possible news site to get "evidence" as to Sarah not being pregnant and so forth. Then, when it came out Bristol was pregnant and the timeline certainly did not make sense, Mr. Ham was scrambling big time and back tracking.

They all lie and most of you read into the comments way to much. Deal with it. The Jets team sucked the last four games. The Jets are looking for a new coach, they are not going to bash the old one now because that lets the guys interviewing for the job they will be treated the same way. Who are the players or personnel that might leave or are more than likely leaving not related to any coaching positions? Those are the guys the team will bash.

 

[Ozymandias]

I'm sure Brett Favre has thicker skins than most of his supporters here.

I doubt it.

He said thicker skin, not thicker head.

 

[MSULions]

Favre never replaced Bart Starr in my heart. There is something special about that first love. for some younger ones Favre was there first love and there is no diminishing his place in there hearts. All part of the magical joy of Fandom. The nice thing about being a Packer Fan is that the tradition is rich, some might say uniquely so, I will ay nearly uniquely so as to not insult the fans of other great franchises.

yeah...that's like saying Steve Yzerman replaced Gordie Howe. Or that Zetterberg could ever replace Yzerman....they were the greats of their time and loved and adored equally for everything they did. I've thought about this whole Favre thing in terms of those guys for a while now...and tried to imagine if Stevie had gone to the Islanders for a year and acted like this. Granted, he was always considered the consumate team guy so it would have been a greater shock...but there's something to be said for just hanging it up with the team who you became great with. Favre has irreparably sullied his legacy...and could destroy it in the next few months if he pulls this equivocation bs again, which he already appears to be doing. it's really sad.