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Disturbing video with parents' reaction to son coming out as gay (1 Viewer)

Holy #### Eminence just stop. I've been on this board a pathetically long time and this is some of the most horrible, hateful, ignorant stuff I've seen posted since golddigger - maybe worse. And I'm not talking about your opinion that being gay is a choice, you're entitled to believe what you want even if I disagree. It's the way you frame it and the way you describe the gays. Read back what you wrote. Hateful and completely immature.

 
Prove to me that people are born gay, nobody has. Instead you insult me.
IT.IS.IRRELEVANTso far, you're defense of this family is

1. We have a duty to our family to reproduce

2. It's the kids choice to be gay

3. Homosexuality is not natural.

4. This kid is a failed man.

5.. Respect my opinion.

Any time I try to take one of these to their logical conclusion, you stop answering. Not every opinion is valid, even if you have the right to hold it.

When you have a valid argument, someone will respect it.

 
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Prove to me that people are born gay, nobody has. Instead you insult me.
You've proven time and time again on this very message board that you're not willing to accept advice, research, and life experience that doesn't conform to your biases. I'm not going to waste my time trying to prove you wrong or change your mind. Do your own research. Maybe then you'll come to a conclusion that isn't based on your own prejudice, hatred, fear, and ignorance.

 
Lets not act like he got kicked out of the house at eleven years old. He is 19 years old.

Any self respecting person should be able to support themselves at 19 years old. It may not be the best life and it may set you up for a rough "rest of your life" but its doable. And he had to know it was a possibility when he came out.

So, that is probably one of the bigger wastes of 93 grand I have ever seen.
Out of curiosity, how old are you? What job did you have at 19? How much did you earn?
I am 30

I made 13.26/hr and quickly moved to about 16/hr working in a factory. I had the option to work OT but hardly ever did.

I put myself through college and graduated with zero debt. I bought my first house when I was 20 after moving out when I was 18 and living solo in an apartment. I added this part so I could state I probably could have saved a ton of money and bought a better house at 22 or something living with my parents but for whatever reason I took the rough road.

I am confused why this matters

 
I feel sorry for the kid because he effectively doesn't have a family.

I don't feel sorry for him not being able to live with that family, that's a blessing in disguise.

If strangers on the internet want to give him money, that's certainly their choice. No judgement here.

 
Prove to me that people are born gay, nobody has. Instead you insult me.
I can make a decent argument. I have no animosity towards gays whatsoever. However you stated that everyone may be born bisexual. I have zero such feeling. I was born straight as an arrow and even though it would bother not one bit if I harbored an attraction to the male form, I am attracted manically and only to women. The fact you see wiggle room there means there must be a spectrum. On one hand, you have not gay at all (like me), and then you move towards more gay (like you). It's a natural that the spectrum has a counterbalance at completely gay. (Not to make assumptions that you're closer to not gay than flaming). The only logically conclusion in light of your at least partial hyenas is that it's at least partly biological.

 
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My opinion about homosexuals is tame compared to the personal insults some of you have shown towards me. But sure, vague opinions about a group are worse than personal attacks on someone.

You people need perspective.

 
My opinion about homosexuals is tame compared to the personal insults some of you have shown towards me. But sure, vague opinions about a group are worse than personal attacks on someone.

You people need perspective.
Did they call you a woman? Because I think that would be an insult to women.

 
My opinion about homosexuals is tame compared to the personal insults some of you have shown towards me. But sure, vague opinions about a group are worse than personal attacks on someone.

You people need perspective.
Your opinion about gay people is vague? :o

 
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My opinion about homosexuals is tame compared to the personal insults some of you have shown towards me. But sure, vague opinions about a group are worse than personal attacks on someone.

You people need perspective.
People here have initiated those insults as a reaction to stupid #### you post. Your option about homosexuals is based on what?

 
My opinion about homosexuals is tame compared to the personal insults some of you have shown towards me. But sure, vague opinions about a group are worse than personal attacks on someone.

You people need perspective.
The last grasp of someone who can't defend his position anymore. Congrats, Mr. Santorum.
 
My opinion about homosexuals is tame compared to the personal insults some of you have shown towards me. But sure, vague opinions about a group are worse than personal attacks on someone.

You people need perspective.
People here have initiated those insults as a reaction to stupid #### you post. Your option about homosexuals is based on what?
I'm talking about other threads where people have belittled my life told me I was useless etc.

 
My opinion about homosexuals is tame compared to the personal insults some of you have shown towards me. But sure, vague opinions about a group are worse than personal attacks on someone.

You people need perspective.
People here have initiated those insults as a reaction to stupid #### you post. Your option about homosexuals is based on what?
I'm talking about other threads where people have belittled my life told me I was useless etc.
Proof you aren't useless?

 
You guys are dead set on your beliefs, as I am mine. The difference is that I can actually agree to disagree. There's no compelling evidence for either side.

 
My opinion about homosexuals is tame compared to the personal insults some of you have shown towards me. But sure, vague opinions about a group are worse than personal attacks on someone.

You people need perspective.
What was your perspective again on having to have mandatory abortions because you knock a girl up accidentally?

 
My opinion about homosexuals is tame compared to the personal insults some of you have shown towards me. But sure, vague opinions about a group are worse than personal attacks on someone.

You people need perspective.
The last grasp of someone who can't defend his position anymore. Congrats, Mr. Santorum.
You never even responded to my argument, genius.
Which one was that?
 
This is exactly what is wrong with America. I'm not entitled to an opinion that is opposite to that of what the mainstream media tells you is correct. I think being gay is a choice, I don't understand why that is so controversial.
How come whenever people tell you that your opinion is wrong, you interpret it as if they're saying you're not allowed to hold that opinion?

People are allowed to hold wrong opinions.

 
This is exactly what is wrong with America. I'm not entitled to an opinion that is opposite to that of what the mainstream media tells you is correct. I think being gay is a choice, I don't understand why that is so controversial. I never said it was the WRONG choice, its not a choice that I would personally make. I just don't like that the acceptance of this choice is more or less enabling men to make a choice that is counterintuitive to nature.

But since I don't blindly agree that people are born gay and have no personal choice in the matter, I've been attacked with personal insults. When I asked for proof that people are born gay, you provide me none. That's fine, have fun listening to whatever the television tells you guys.
Dammit- I'll bite :oldunsure:

You keep saying you think it's a choice...and you've come to this realization based on what?

Have you discussed this with a lot of gay men and women to hear whether they chose to be gay, heard the answers and then come with an understanding that they mostly think of their sexuality as a choice? Just trying to understand where this opinion came from.

 
This is exactly what is wrong with America. I'm not entitled to an opinion that is opposite to that of what the mainstream media tells you is correct. I think being gay is a choice, I don't understand why that is so controversial.
How come whenever people tell you that your opinion is wrong, you interpret it as if they're saying you're not allowed to hold that opinion?

People are allowed to hold wrong opinions.
When they insult me instead of providing evidence as to why I'm wrong, I take exception. Don't tell me I'm wrong without giving me concrete proof why I'm wrong.

 
the video was from a pray the gay out intervention

nice family

you may be disappointed in a childs lifestyle but how could anyone turn their backs on their kids

 
This is exactly what is wrong with America. I'm not entitled to an opinion that is opposite to that of what the mainstream media tells you is correct. I think being gay is a choice, I don't understand why that is so controversial.
How come whenever people tell you that your opinion is wrong, you interpret it as if they're saying you're not allowed to hold that opinion?

People are allowed to hold wrong opinions.
When they insult me instead of providing evidence as to why I'm wrong, I take exception. Don't tell me I'm wrong without giving me concrete proof why I'm wrong.
WRONG ABOUT WHAT?

Do you even know what you're arguing in favor of anymore?

 
You guys are dead set on your beliefs, as I am mine. The difference is that I can actually agree to disagree. There's no compelling evidence for either side.
Here's some compelling evidence - I (and I assume everyone here) could never choose to give a guy a BJ.

Maybe you could and that's fine, but it means you're gay.

 
The reason I've tried so hard here and in other threads is Em reminds me of myself 20 years ago. Hell, I even worked at a Walgreens for about a year when I was 17. Growing up in the Reagan 80's in Connecticut, it was pretty common to loathe gay people, and I used words like f####t all the time. If you asked how I felt about them, any of Em's posts in this thread would fit the bill. Even though I was just parroting what I was taught at that time, I still feel guilty about it in a way. I hate that I was a part of a mindset that led to so much self-hatred, suicide, people getting dragged to death. So sick and sad and unnecessary.

I posted that stuff about high school because that's how my mind processed the notion of "choosing" orientation once I finally started to think critically about it. I just thought back to that classroom and staring at this girl's gorgeous legs and getting so turned on. I didn't think anything about it being a choice, I just knew I wanted that like I knew I sucked at basketball. I don't know any simpler way to relate it. And I don't understand how he can just sit there and say how someone else feels or what they are attracted to or if only they felt the touch of a woman...and yet the ultimate irony is the more he posts, the more there seems to be some latent homoerotic tendencies there. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

 
My opinion about homosexuals is tame compared to the personal insults some of you have shown towards me. But sure, vague opinions about a group are worse than personal attacks on someone.

You people need perspective.
We've seen evidence (from your own posts) that you're bigoted, unintelligent, narcissistic, and feel entitled to what you haven't earned. What kind of evidence can you provide to back up your claims that gays choose to be gay? I have a specific opinion about you, and it's based on the evidence you yourself have provided with your own words.

 
You guys are dead set on your beliefs, as I am mine. The difference is that I can actually agree to disagree. There's no compelling evidence for either side.
My problem with you is that you are expressing hateful, bigoted beliefs. Not that homosexuality is a choice. Don't care about that one. But you stated earlier in the thread that homosexuality is a disease. You called it unnatural. You said that any man who "chooses" to be gay is trying to be a woman. And you also exhibited incredible ignorance by stating that being gay is "the easy way out."

THOSE are the things that I suspect most people are destroying you for, with justification, not the choice issue.

 
This is exactly what is wrong with America. I'm not entitled to an opinion that is opposite to that of what the mainstream media tells you is correct. I think being gay is a choice, I don't understand why that is so controversial.
How come whenever people tell you that your opinion is wrong, you interpret it as if they're saying you're not allowed to hold that opinion?

People are allowed to hold wrong opinions.
When they insult me instead of providing evidence as to why I'm wrong, I take exception. Don't tell me I'm wrong without giving me concrete proof why I'm wrong.
Where's your proof?

 
Does somebody want to educate me as to why you know people are born gay instead of insulting my viewpoint?
How about this. I'll concede your point. Homosexuality is 100% a choice. Now defend the parents in this video. Go.
The parents are wrong, I never argued that. No parent should have to accept the choices of their children. Especially if it's against their views. It's crazy that we can be split on an issue like abortion but there's only one way of thinking about queers.

 
Does somebody want to educate me as to why you know people are born gay instead of insulting my viewpoint?
I posted a few paragraphs that I thought were pretty simple to understand and undeniable for anyone who experienced puberty. You responded with thoughtless snarky idiotic tripe as you always do when you're challenged and have no rebuttal. I feel that was insulting my viewpoint, so you really can't continue to complain if others insult yours. Show some respect and some ability to think critically if you want respect so badly.
 
Does somebody want to educate me as to why you know people are born gay instead of insulting my viewpoint?
How about this. I'll concede your point. Homosexuality is 100% a choice. Now defend the parents in this video. Go.
The parents are wrong, I never argued that. No parent should have to accept the choices of their children. Especially if it's against their views. It's crazy that we can be split on an issue like abortion but there's only one way of thinking about queers.
Jesus H Christ on a Popsicle stick :lmao:
 
The absense of religioin would do nothing to eliminate hatred in society. Emotions such as hate, greed, and envy are inherient in people. People are going to hate other people. Maybe geography, maybe politics, maybe skin color. Your manifestiation of hatred towards all things religion is just another example of what you profess to hate.
Religion may be a bit like technology: it can be used for good or for evil. Biological weapons are completely awful, but the hoverbike is freaking awesome. It's not technology itself that we should be anxious about, but how it's used. Same with religion.

In this case, religion is being used for evil.

 
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Does somebody want to educate me as to why you know people are born gay instead of insulting my viewpoint?
How about this. I'll concede your point. Homosexuality is 100% a choice. Now defend the parents in this video. Go.
The parents are wrong, I never argued that. No parent should have to accept the choices of their children. Especially if it's against their views. It's crazy that we can be split on an issue like abortion but there's only one way of thinking about queers.
Jesus H Christ. I didn't think it could get worse, obviously I was wrong.

 
Does somebody want to educate me as to why you know people are born gay instead of insulting my viewpoint?
How about this. I'll concede your point. Homosexuality is 100% a choice. Now defend the parents in this video. Go.
The parents are wrong, I never argued that. No parent should have to accept the choices of their children. Especially if it's against their views. It's crazy that we can be split on an issue like abortion but there's only one way of thinking about queers.
W.T.F.

 
Does somebody want to educate me as to why you know people are born gay instead of insulting my viewpoint?
I'll bite.

If being gay was a choice, it would be a pretty big decision in your life, right? Like deciding how to live the rest of your life and carry on with how you present yourself to society. Would be a HUGE decision right?? One of the biggest decisions of your life. Maybe on par with marrying someone or having a child, right?? A day you would always remember. Well then tell me about the day that you chose to be straight. Surely you remember that and how you came to your decision. Please relive and share with us the day you chose to be straight.

 
Does somebody want to educate me as to why you know people are born gay instead of insulting my viewpoint?
How about this. I'll concede your point. Homosexuality is 100% a choice. Now defend the parents in this video. Go.
The parents are wrong, I never argued that. No parent should have to accept the choices of their children. Especially if it's against their views. It's crazy that we can be split on an issue like abortion but there's only one way of thinking about queers.
Jesus H Christ on a Popsicle stick :lmao:
I'm guessing this is mostly shtick at this point. Pretty sure I (and many others here) have been expertly fished.

 
Does somebody want to educate me as to why you know people are born gay instead of insulting my viewpoint?
How about this. I'll concede your point. Homosexuality is 100% a choice. Now defend the parents in this video. Go.
The parents are wrong, I never argued that. No parent should have to accept the choices of their children. Especially if it's against their views. It's crazy that we can be split on an issue like abortion but there's only one way of thinking about queers.
Well here's the proof. Em just came out of the closet. Everyone knows only the gays are allowed to say the Q word.
 
You guys are dead set on your beliefs, as I am mine. The difference is that I can actually agree to disagree. There's no compelling evidence for either side.
My problem with you is that you are expressing hateful, bigoted beliefs. Not that homosexuality is a choice. Don't care about that one. But you stated earlier in the thread that homosexuality is a disease. You called it unnatural. You said that any man who "chooses" to be gay is trying to be a woman. And you also exhibited incredible ignorance by stating that being gay is "the easy way out."THOSE are the things that I suspect most people are destroying you for, with justification, not the choice issue.
I never called it a disease, don't mess with me Tim.

 
This is exactly what is wrong with America. I'm not entitled to an opinion that is opposite to that of what the mainstream media tells you is correct. I think being gay is a choice, I don't understand why that is so controversial. I never said it was the WRONG choice, its not a choice that I would personally make. I just don't like that the acceptance of this choice is more or less enabling men to make a choice that is counterintuitive to nature.

But since I don't blindly agree that people are born gay and have no personal choice in the matter, I've been attacked with personal insults. When I asked for proof that people are born gay, you provide me none. That's fine, have fun listening to whatever the television tells you guys.
Dammit- I'll bite :oldunsure:

You keep saying you think it's a choice...and you've come to this realization based on what?

Have you discussed this with a lot of gay men and women to hear whether they chose to be gay, heard the answers and then come with an understanding that they mostly think of their sexuality as a choice? Just trying to understand where this opinion came from.
Does somebody want to educate me as to why you know people are born gay instead of insulting my viewpoint?
Em- I've known a LOT of gay folk over the years, starting in college and progressing forward to now. I've had gay roommates and worked with a lot of gay men and women over the years.

I won't pretend to "know" anything about this other than my own experience having 30 years of interactions and discussions with them. In all those years, I have yet to meet a single person who says they ever made a choice. Every person I've talked with- and I probably had the same conversation 20 or so times with different people before it seemed pointless to keep having it- every single person remembered having their first sexual thought as being towards the same sex. No choice. No decision. I remember knowing that the chick who was the host of Romper Room turned my crank when I was like 4 or 5- that was the first thought of anything "sexual" for me. To a person, they all described the same kind of moment- just towards the same sex.

The other conversations I had until those also became broken records- were about the hostility, derision, bigotry they all went faced for most of their lives. Ugly, ugly stuff you wouldn't wish on anybody.

And now that there seems to be some level of social acceptance finally happening- people who make comments like the ones you've been making bring them, and me, right back to when things were uglier.

If that ugliness and hatred is what you want to be your legacy- it's working. The amount you're trying to argue about it- I'd guess that it's not.

 

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