Do you really care about the Mitchell report? (1 Viewer)

[eagles2007]

I find myself in a state of noncaring. I mean, 85 players, some of them ex-players, out of almost 800. Not a really high percentage, a little low to be honest if I had thought about it before hand.

These substances were not banned at the time most of these players used either.

I'm more disgusted by the people who 'ratted' out others.

 

[Night Hawks]

I care.

I would care if it ended up being just one player. I think the interesting thing about this will be the fallout in the next few months, if there is any.

We are talking about Hall of Fame players INJECTING steroids, if you believe the report. And if you don't believe the report, fair enough. Then of course you don't care about the Mitchell Report.

As for the fringe players ... I hope you don't think that these are the only players. This is a report based on interviews with NO participation from the players. Mitchell had no subpoena power, which is fine. But even with that, the report still named these players.

What about those players who have been playing it straight? You think they are upset at the guys who "ratted" out the others?

 

[Eephus]

Is anybody really shocked and appalled that ballplayers took steroids? It's been pretty much common knowledge for the past ten years. Names and semi-sordid details makes the story better, but what do we really know today that we didn't yesterday? Not much.

The worst thing for me is how the players and management failed to address the issue when it was rampant. I'll care about the Mitchell Report more if it causes some changes that prevents the situation from continuing.

 

[whoknew]

The only thing I care about the report is if Selig is going to use the report to suspend some great players next year. Then I'd be pissed.

 

[eagles2007]

Does this change your opinion about a guy like Roger Clemens? Is Greg Maddux now once again clearly the best pitcher of our era?

 

[ack34]

It happens in every sport. It's probably more rampant in football than baseball.

It doesn't bother me, but it does make what a guy like A-Rod is doing, more special. He's the best player ever and NOT cheating.

 

[wilked]

wheres the voting button :?:

 

[Please See Mine]

I think that the number of players in this report is definitely low, but I really don't care.

I like watching baseball and I really don't care that much about records. I never think about the steroids issue when I'm watching a game, so I'm not going to get all worked up just because there's not a lot going on in the 2nd week of December.

 

[Urn]

It happens in every sport. It's probably more rampant in football than baseball. It doesn't bother me, but it does make what a guy like A-Rod is doing, more special. He's the best player ever and NOT cheating.

As far as you know... He could be on something that isn't detectable...

 

[ooofffaaa]

Yes - I care.

I especially like the title of Andy Pettitte's book . . .

"Strike Zone - Targeting a Life of Purity & Integrity".

Good job stupid.

 

[Bobcat10]

I think overall it's pretty stupid and worthless.

I mean, a million dollars a month for this thing? A bunch of heresay (sp?) for the most part.

Should have split that money up and instead of one doctor working on a successful HGH test for baseball, they could have ten.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

I think overall it's pretty stupid and worthless. I mean, a million dollars a month for this thing? A bunch of heresay (sp?) for the most part.Should have split that money up and instead of one doctor working on a successful HGH test for baseball, they could have ten.

Try $60MM.And, no, I don't care.

 

[Bobcat10]

I think overall it's pretty stupid and worthless. I mean, a million dollars a month for this thing? A bunch of heresay (sp?) for the most part.Should have split that money up and instead of one doctor working on a successful HGH test for baseball, they could have ten.

Try $60MM.And, no, I don't care.

$60MM a month?!?!?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I think overall it's pretty stupid and worthless. I mean, a million dollars a month for this thing? A bunch of heresay (sp?) for the most part.Should have split that money up and instead of one doctor working on a successful HGH test for baseball, they could have ten.

Try $60MM.And, no, I don't care.

$60MM a month?!?!?

No total. MLB could have used this money to send Aaron Rowand to Japan for 5 years and saved the Giants the embarrassment.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

I think overall it's pretty stupid and worthless. I mean, a million dollars a month for this thing? A bunch of heresay (sp?) for the most part.Should have split that money up and instead of one doctor working on a successful HGH test for baseball, they could have ten.

Try $60MM.And, no, I don't care.

$60MM a month?!?!?

Sorry, I missed the part about a month in your post.

 

[RedRaiders]

Yes - I care.I especially like the title of Andy Pettitte's book . . ."Strike Zone - Targeting a Life of Purity & Integrity".Good job stupid.

This slays me. He's such a hypocrite.

 

[Koya]

Not at all. It was a sham. Great, so we "know" Clemens juiced. We needed a terribly incomplete 20 Million dollar study to determine this? If they were REALLY intent on getting to the root of the problem, Mitchell would have worked IN CONJUNCTION with prosecutors to offer immunity etc. to players, so they would actually have been accountable for not participating.

How can I fault a player for not cooperating with Mitchell when there are ongoing investigations which could lead to actual jail time for those involved? For once, it is not the players, nor the unions, fault.

Selig and the report are a pathetic joke.

 

[Eephus]

I think overall it's pretty stupid and worthless. I mean, a million dollars a month for this thing? A bunch of heresay (sp?) for the most part.Should have split that money up and instead of one doctor working on a successful HGH test for baseball, they could have ten.

Try $60MM.And, no, I don't care.

$60MM a month?!?!?

No total. MLB could have used this money to send Aaron Rowand to Japan for 5 years and saved the Giants the embarrassment.

I think further investigation is needed so Barry Zito can be sent over as well.

 

[428143]

It was the start of ridiculous PR stunt orchestrated by the owners, Bud, ESPN, MLBPA, agents, basically anyone with a vested interest in the game, etc...

Now we get the textbook "accuse the accuser" reactions from Peter Gammons and company(who is acting like a complete tool for the players regarding this issue..."oh no! I can't piss off my sources!")

I agree with the above poster, the whole thing is a big slap in the face to the fans of the game. Now we get to wait for the MLBPA to deliver the next slap...

I'm really not sure why I follow this league at this point in time...but I love baseball too much to let it go, but maybe I should...

 

[Snotbubbles]

I find myself in a state of noncaring. I mean, 85 players, some of them ex-players, out of almost 800. Not a really high percentage, a little low to be honest if I had thought about it before hand.These substances were not banned at the time most of these players used either.I'm more disgusted by the people who 'ratted' out others.

Steriods were classified as illegal around 1992 or 1993. So while MLB didn't "ban" them, they were illegal under Federal law.Plus they got 85 players and they had only a handful of sources. Imagine if they actually got a guy like Tejada to tell how many guys he got steriods for and then go to those guys and see who they got steriods for. It seems pretty naive to think that those are the only 85 players to take steriods. Personally I don't care. I never understood why steriods were made illegal in the first place yet cigarettes and alcohol are not.EDIT: Not classified as "illegal" but they became controlled in 1992.

 

[Frostillicus]

I think the whole thing is pretty stupid and makes Selig look like more of an ### than he already did.

Half the list is guys you've never heard of, guys who sucked anyway, or guys who you already knew about or at least had a pretty good idea.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I find myself in a state of noncaring. I mean, 85 players, some of them ex-players, out of almost 800. Not a really high percentage, a little low to be honest if I had thought about it before hand.

These substances were not banned at the time most of these players used either.

I'm more disgusted by the people who 'ratted' out others.

The % is HUGE. Not the mitchell report percentage, the actual percentage. The MR didnt do much of anything except look at what others had investiagted (feds) and what you have is a very small sampling.

As snotbubbles pointed out - it was only from a few sources they had.

 

[igbomb]

I used to care. But now that we've been beat over the head with it for so long and the fact that we have no idea how many people used, I don't care any longer.

I'm left with the choice of hating MLB or just letting it go and enjoying the sport despite the fact that it's dirty. Since I can't imagine not watching and cheering for the Tigers through my entire summer, I choose to just pretend it never happened.

 

[Night Hawks]

Now we get the textbook "accuse the accuser" reactions from Peter Gammons and company(who is acting like a complete tool for the players regarding this issue..."oh no! I can't piss off my sources!")

THis was my reaction to Gammons as well. But I will say that I do care about who is juicing. In one of Mitchell's interviews he compared the 80 guys that were caught to those who get caught doing illegal things every day. SOme get caught. SOme don't. Those who do are punished. The fallout of this I think is going to be the most interesting.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Canseco was right.

 

[cobalt_27]

I think the whole thing is pretty stupid and makes Selig look like more of an ### than he already did.Half the list is guys you've never heard of, guys who sucked anyway, or guys who you already knew about or at least had a pretty good idea.

And, if players actually cooperated, we would have had a lot more on that list to please you.

 

[ffldrew]

It is a sad moment for sports and baseball in particular. The part that troubles me is that young kids across America are going to see each of these guys get away with this and realize that as a player on the edge of making it or not - they will be tempted to try performance enhancing drugs to get an edge - in high school. And why not if they can get away with it. So the important part from this report at least will be the shame and scorn heaped upon these players - the really sorry part is many of them are laughing all the way to the bank. So many of these players named were players on the edge of making it in the league - and the difference in making it or being a lifer in the minors is ALOT of money. This is what will make it more tempting to a young person and we don't know if these drugs will have an effect later in life. Hopefully there is a poster of Ken Caminiti in every high school locker room.

 

[Frostillicus]

Canseco was right.

This is really kind of an underrated part of the whole story. Without Canseco, who knows how long this goes on without this kind of attention.