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Do you think Adrian Peterson cheated? (1 Viewer)
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PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
why would i have any reason to doubt him? i dont get this post. 
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LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
I voted yes. He had an awful injury. Torn ACL, 1-2 more torn ligaments and a torn meniscus. It was devastating.1. Many players never make it back from similar injuries2. Players that do usually take longer to get back on the field.3. No one has ever come back from such a devastating injury so quickly and put together an all time top 5 season at RB.Good for him if he did it al natural, but I didn't think he'd be ready for week 1 personally.
DropKick
Footballguy
This is something we should have learned with Sosa/McGuire, but anytime someone does something that seems inhuman, PEDs were involved.Hard to believe Lewis could come back from his injury in that time frame. As far as Peterson, there was a time when an ACL took two years to return to normalcy. Never mind challenging the all time rushing record.
gandalas
Footballguy
The messed up part is, steroids are regularly prescribed in the medical profession for regular people for coming back from injuries. And yet an NFL player would get in trouble for taking the exact same treatment that anyone else would get?I vote no, but I am sure he did all kinds of exotic treatments which may or may not be completely legal, just like ray Lewis supposedly did.
Pipes
Footballguy
Technically he " cheated" then based on your last sentence. I voted yes based on that. Of course he put in the hard work and rehab but knees that shredded just don't heal that quickly on hard work and prayers alone just like Ray Lewis. The thing is I don't really care nor should any NFL fan. If all the NFL players who took some sort of illegal PED ( not saying steroids) It would be a very watered down version of what we have today.
why would i have any reason to doubt him? i dont get this post.
nobody said you should doubt him. I think LarryAllen'sJockstrap lays out the case for those that do doubt him.
DropKick
Footballguy
As far as a "watered down" game, I could go for a game with smaller (less bulked up) players but more athleticism. Bigger, faster, stronger players mean more big hits but more injury too.The money will never let that happen, though.
Underachievers
Footballguy
Of course he "cheated". I am surprised that the vote is even remotely close.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
I agree with your post as well. I voted "no", but even if he did I don't see a problem using PEDs coming back from injury. As a poster above stated, PEDs and steroids are given to regular people all of the time to get over all sorts of maladies. I remember my son being given steroids because he had a serious case of croup and the steroids we're supposed to reduce the swelling in his throat (at least that's what the DR told me).
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I choose to believe he recovered "normally," based only on the fact that (a) there is no specific indication that he cheated or is suspected of doing so and (b) I like him and want to believe he recovered naturally.That said...his return/performance was so unprecedented, given the nature of the cheating sports universe we live in, it would not surprise me in the slightest if it comes out later that he did. And, I will be equally disappointed, as I was when it was clear McGwire, Lance, and others were cheating. I had less of a problem with Bonds, Sosa, Caminiti, Ray-Ray...I never liked them that much, to begin with, so it was easy to accept and, in fact, I enjoyed watching them fall (Ray Lewis the exception, as he'll ride off into the sunset as a cheat and never have it impact him in any negative way, but whatever). But, AP is one of the guys I root for--want to root for. So, it would be a bummer to find out that he did.
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There's a big difference between corticosteroids and anabolic steroids.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
deer antler and panther cologne
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
what about Suggs, he returned from a worse injury during the off-season and now hes in the Superbowl
Peterson's return might have been unprecedented before this season, but then we had Jamaal Charles come back at the same time and set a career high in carries while putting up 1400 yards at over 5 ypc on a terrible team. If Peterson cheated, then so did Charles. It's possible, but I've been given no reason to believe it's likely. On the other hand, I have been given reason to believe Peterson is fundamentally different from everyone else- when his doctor scoped his knee, it was so free of signs of wear the doctor compared it to a newborn baby's. Peterson was starting his recovery from a different point, so no surprise his recovery took a different shape. If we start hearing credible rumors Peterson took PEDs, it's something I will believe easily; in the absence of those rumors, I believe he did it the hard way.
notdarkyet
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Absolutely. Id say a large percentage of them are cheating. IMO, it's the PED use that is causing many of these injuries and as a result, the NFL is neutering the game.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Could it be because he has been on PED's for awhile now?
EBF
Footballguy
It hadn't crossed my mind until I read that Bill Simmons article, but now that I think about it, it seems like a realistic possibility. Rushing for 6 YPC on a boatload of carries less than one year after a McGahee-esque knee injury does seem too good to be true, even for a top talent like Peterson.
There is plenty of reason to believe he has - I think what you wanted to say is until there is definitive proof that he cheated you'll believe that he hasn't. That is fair.
Heatman
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
I hate that it has come to this in sports that you have to be suspicious of great achievements but it just seems so commonplace at this point who knows who is cheating and who isn't. I would tend to say no that he didn't take ped's but I believed lance Armstrong was clean......
Sad to see post like this, it's now assumed you used PED if you do anything great.AP average less than 100 yards per game for 1st half of the season. I don't think he was 100% till 2nd half where he avg. 165. ATT YDS AVG TDSeason Games (1-8) 151 775 5.1 4 Season Games (9-16) 197 1,322 6.7 8 This might be better poll question:Why is NCF North rushing DEF so Bad? In 6 games vs. NFC north AD put up 944 yards. (157 per game) Majority of games in 2nd half, If Division that has Rogers, Cutler and Stanford. The def is built to stop pass 1st and run 2nd. Yes he Avg 96 yards per game vs teams out side of the NFC North.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Even asking the question seems incredibly naive to me. Of course he used steroids- every single NFL(except maybe kickers/punters) player does.
Opinions from a former bodybuilder and a very educated health/fitness expert: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CY0ELMhAsy0
"If they're not on the best drugs known to man, they don't go pro. If you're on the best drugs from five years ago and not the best drugs from 2013 then you don't go pro in your sport. Period."
People don't seem to understand how much more money is being spent on steroids and beating steroid tests compared to the money being spent on catching the "cheaters." Everyone uses them, maybe 1% get caught, and then all the naive fans out there criticize that player as if he was the only one doing it. The world of sports is insanely competitive, and theres an absurd amount of money on the line. I doubt there are even any big time DI college players who aren't using- its simply too much to overcome(you not using them while everyone else is). If you want to be a pro athlete, you need to use steroids.
Opinions from a former bodybuilder and a very educated health/fitness expert: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CY0ELMhAsy0
"If they're not on the best drugs known to man, they don't go pro. If you're on the best drugs from five years ago and not the best drugs from 2013 then you don't go pro in your sport. Period."
People don't seem to understand how much more money is being spent on steroids and beating steroid tests compared to the money being spent on catching the "cheaters." Everyone uses them, maybe 1% get caught, and then all the naive fans out there criticize that player as if he was the only one doing it. The world of sports is insanely competitive, and theres an absurd amount of money on the line. I doubt there are even any big time DI college players who aren't using- its simply too much to overcome(you not using them while everyone else is). If you want to be a pro athlete, you need to use steroids.
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Pipes
Footballguy
Who heard of deer antler spray until this week? I think these guys are taking all sorts of things like that which enhances performance. Not saying they are illegal substances but substances that are or would be banned if the NFL knew about them. In baseball there is an uproar about PED's but nothing in the NFL. We just seem to ignore it but I think if the NFL is truly concerned about player safety this is a good place to start.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Seriously...half of you think a guy can run for 2000+ yards in today's NFL without steroids? I'm absolutely shocked at that. I expected this poll to be like 99%/1%! You guys realize that there are tons of stuff similar to deer antler spray that the NFL hasn't figured out how to catch people using, right? You really think that with millions of dollars on the line these athletes aren't using these things just because they're good and moral people who want to obey the rules?
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DropKick
Footballguy
Not to excuse Charles but at least he was hurt early in the season. Petersen was hurt at the end of the regular season and in surgery on or about New Years. That's about 3 1/2 months extra recovery for Charles.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I want to believe Adrian is clean and I wanted to believe that Lance was clean. Lance, however, made it very difficult to believe when he was consulting and training with a well known Italian drug doctor.
cstu
Footballguy
DropKick
Footballguy
Bicycling is a different sport. I don't think you could compete IF you weren't blood doping. Google "cyclists dying from EPO" and you'll find 10+ guys literally dying in their sleep. It was sort of an epidemic. In one Tour, the top 23 finishers (including Armstrong) were all tied to blood doping/PEDs. What's sad is the governing body acts like Lance is an isolated case when the fact is that there may be no one "clean" in professional cycling.ETA: Since Tommy Simpson's death in 1967, 86% of Tour de France winners have been tarnished or implicated by doping. I suspect some number of the other 14% just never got caught.
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I believe a lot of the recovery was due to stem cell treatments. I believe AP has abnormally good genes and works as hard as any player. But I also believe most players use HGH or worse. Can I answer all of the above?
poopdawg
Footballguy
60% of the time, it works every time!
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
I think over 90% of NFL players are on something, so yeah.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
That what I am saying, anyone with knowledge of cycling wouldn't be surprised that Armstrong was not clean. At least in football a player should get the benefit of the doubt.
It took Peterson several months to get up to speed.'DropKick said:
I actually think this is a little naive. If everyone were doing it, you don't think some disgruntled former player would have cashed in on a tell-all by now? I'm sure it's more prevalent than we know, but once it reached a certain critical mass, we'd all know about it- like we do with cycling and bodybuilding and baseball.'Assani Fisher said:
JackReacher
Footballguy
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Every player in the NFL is taking banned PED's. If you believe otherwise you are blind.
