Do you think Adrian Peterson cheated? (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

Adrian is good people.

 

[Heatman]

I don't think Petersons huge season was all that surprising when you look at it. He was drafted by Childress who used him as a workhorse his first year. He broke the single game record and looked like he was on his way to greatness. His second year he ran for 1760 yards on 363 carries and then Childress decided to limit his carries. Even limiting him to nearly zero red zone carries. On top of that the O-line was aging and in 2011 was down right horrible. He was still a top back but not nearly what he could have been.Enter Sullivan, Kalil, Rudolph, Frazier and Musgrave. With an O-line that was greatly improved and a coaching staff who finally figured out what he could do he goes off for nearly 2100 yards. If the Vikings draft a good pulling Guard who can help create some runs to the outside and the coaching staff gets a bit creative in the play calling his 2013 season could be even more monstrous.

Career years happen. We've seen great players like Moss, Brady, and Manning put up some crazy seasons. Peterson's story does seem fishy though.Blows up his knee late in the 2011 season.Comes back the next year and rushes for 6 YPC on 348 carries.Previous four seasons were 4.8, 4.4, 4.6, and 4.7 YPC. Pretty big gap. Not sure it can be explained just by coaching and system.

Not just coaching and system. A much improved O-line and he also ran behind a fullback consistently for the first time in his career. There are a lot of variables that went into making this a huge season imo.Griffin tore is ACL and MCL late and they say he's on track to start week one. Medicine and surgical procedures have come a long way to the point that it doesn't take nearly as long as it used to to heal and come back from an injury like that. If a player is as dedicated as Peterson is I believe it can happen. If medicine would have been the same when Jerry Rice had his ACL/MCL tear he could have had even more unbelievable of a career. As it was he still came back in 14 WEEKS but had a second injury take him out again, I believe a cracked kneecap. Even after that he had a few pretty good years after the second injury. That was over ten years ago.

 

[Pipes]

I don't think Petersons huge season was all that surprising when you look at it.

He was drafted by Childress who used him as a workhorse his first year. He broke the single game record and looked like he was on his way to greatness. His second year he ran for 1760 yards on 363 carries and then Childress decided to limit his carries. Even limiting him to nearly zero red zone carries. On top of that the O-line was aging and in 2011 was down right horrible. He was still a top back but not nearly what he could have been.

Enter Sullivan, Kalil, Rudolph, Frazier and Musgrave. With an O-line that was greatly improved and a coaching staff who finally figured out what he could do he goes off for nearly 2100 yards. If the Vikings draft a good pulling Guard who can help create some runs to the outside and the coaching staff gets a bit creative in the play calling his 2013 season could be even more monstrous.

Career years happen. We've seen great players like Moss, Brady, and Manning put up some crazy seasons. Peterson's story does seem fishy though.

Blows up his knee late in the 2011 season.

Comes back the next year and rushes for 6 YPC on 348 carries.

Previous four seasons were 4.8, 4.4, 4.6, and 4.7 YPC.

Pretty big gap. Not sure it can be explained just by coaching and system.

Not just coaching and system. A much improved O-line and he also ran behind a fullback consistently for the first time in his career. There are a lot of variables that went into making this a huge season imo.Griffin tore is ACL and MCL late and they say he's on track to start week one. Medicine and surgical procedures have come a long way to the point that it doesn't take nearly as long as it used to to heal and come back from an injury like that. If a player is as dedicated as Peterson is I believe it can happen. If medicine would have been the same when Jerry Rice had his ACL/MCL tear he could have had even more unbelievable of a career. As it was he still came back in 14 WEEKS but had a second injury take him out again, I believe a cracked kneecap. Even after that he had a few pretty good years after the second injury. That was over ten years ago.

So has HGH and other performance enhancers. I don't mean to single you out but I'm stunned at the number of people that don't think a multi million dollar athlete like a AP or RGIII isn't doing everything possible to aid in performance and help them recover from a major injury. Those guys are just worth too much money to not take advantage of every medical advancement and pharamceutical supplement out there...many of those illegal under current NFL rules.

 

[LuckyOne]

Does anyone know whether there is an exception for performancing enhancing drugs during rehab (assuming the player is off if them for a certain period if time before playing)?

 

[Heatman]

I don't think Petersons huge season was all that surprising when you look at it.

He was drafted by Childress who used him as a workhorse his first year. He broke the single game record and looked like he was on his way to greatness. His second year he ran for 1760 yards on 363 carries and then Childress decided to limit his carries. Even limiting him to nearly zero red zone carries. On top of that the O-line was aging and in 2011 was down right horrible. He was still a top back but not nearly what he could have been.

Enter Sullivan, Kalil, Rudolph, Frazier and Musgrave. With an O-line that was greatly improved and a coaching staff who finally figured out what he could do he goes off for nearly 2100 yards. If the Vikings draft a good pulling Guard who can help create some runs to the outside and the coaching staff gets a bit creative in the play calling his 2013 season could be even more monstrous.

Career years happen. We've seen great players like Moss, Brady, and Manning put up some crazy seasons. Peterson's story does seem fishy though.

Blows up his knee late in the 2011 season.

Comes back the next year and rushes for 6 YPC on 348 carries.

Previous four seasons were 4.8, 4.4, 4.6, and 4.7 YPC.

Pretty big gap. Not sure it can be explained just by coaching and system.

Not just coaching and system. A much improved O-line and he also ran behind a fullback consistently for the first time in his career. There are a lot of variables that went into making this a huge season imo.Griffin tore is ACL and MCL late and they say he's on track to start week one. Medicine and surgical procedures have come a long way to the point that it doesn't take nearly as long as it used to to heal and come back from an injury like that. If a player is as dedicated as Peterson is I believe it can happen. If medicine would have been the same when Jerry Rice had his ACL/MCL tear he could have had even more unbelievable of a career. As it was he still came back in 14 WEEKS but had a second injury take him out again, I believe a cracked kneecap. Even after that he had a few pretty good years after the second injury. That was over ten years ago.

So has HGH and other performance enhancers. I don't mean to single you out but I'm stunned at the number of people that don't think a multi million dollar athlete like a AP or RGIII isn't doing everything possible to aid in performance and help them recover from a major injury. Those guys are just worth too much money to not take advantage of every medical advancement and pharamceutical supplement out there...many of those illegal under current NFL rules.

He may have done everything possible legally he could and I don't doubt he did, doesn't mean he took or used anything illegal, doesn't mean he cheated. Some guys work harder and are more dedicated than others, even in the NFL.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

deer antler and panther cologne

50% of the time it works 100% of the time.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I honestly would be shocked if he didn't use something that was undetectable. There is a form now which you use immediately before exercising and is out of the system after 2 hours with no traces.Him coming back after essentially 5 months from a torn ACL and MCL (not sprained, torn) is hard enough to believe. But to be able to put up the 2nd highest rushing total on a team that had practically no vertical attack - I want to believe, but I just can't. Human physiology just didn't change inside a century. However, medical science has.Of course, we will never know for sure.

 

[Annyong]

I think over 90% of NFL players are on something, so yeah.

90% of D1 players are on something.

 

[TheFanatic]

I think over 90% of NFL players are on something, so yeah.

90% of D1 players are on something.

No, no, no. These are Americans and if there's one thing we say about Americans is that when millions of dollars, fame and glory are on the line, nobody will cut corners and skirt the rules. That's just not who we are.

 

[Eminence]

It wouldn't surprise me. Would like to see a medical timetable for his recovery. The guy seems moronically driven, like he really thinks he can be the greatest Running Back to play the game.IF there's someone could do what they did, it's definitely him, lol. Don't think a lot of the other guys have the same DRIVE. Football is this guy's life as opposed to trying to collect a paycheck then quitting. Every season this guy goes out and plays hard for his legacy. He's a champion who willed an average team into the playoffs.He's a premier athlete, has complete dedication to football, and the best medical staff money can buy. I believe he did it 100% naturally.

 

[ghostguy123]

Does anyone know whether there is an exception for performancing enhancing drugs during rehab (assuming the player is off if them for a certain period if time before playing)?

Considering they are illegal in general, pretty sure they aren't allowed ever. I have a hard time thinking his recovery was completely natural. I want to believe it was, because he seems like a super nice guy who would do all the right things and says all the right things..........but the dynamics of it all are just storybook crazy. But this is a FACT..........none of us "know" the guy. None of us can know for sure which players would use banned substances based on things they say in interviews and how hard they train. I mean, AP can be the most dedicated football player in the history of the world, but that doesn't mean he automatically would never touch a banned substance. It's quite possible that he used steroids BECAUSE he is so dedicated, and the thought of not playing and producing was eating him up inside. There is only ONE part of everything that has happened since he tore his knee up that is an argument that he did it cleanly.........when the surgeon mentioned how fresh his ligaments looked when he was doing the surgery. For a 27 year old NFL RB with a ton of career touches in college and in the pros, that was pretty amazing, and points towards the guy not being a regular human. His year this year reminds me of when Barry Bonds hit like 73 home runs. It was almost "too good" of a year. And in AP's case, he did it half a year removed from a horrible knee injury playing a position that puts a premium on explosive legs.

 

[encaitar]

Well, there will always be people that think it wasn't a natural recovery. Looking at the size of NFL players now days, it's hard not to think everyone is on steroids.However, AP rushed for over 1000 yards in 7 games after suffering a hernia. Pretty sure his level of pain tolerance and ability to play through injury is unprecedented, even among other athletes.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Peterson's return might have been unprecedented before this season, but then we had Jamaal Charles come back at the same time and set a career high in carries while putting up 1400 yards at over 5 ypc on a terrible team. If Peterson cheated, then so did Charles. It's possible, but I've been given no reason to believe it's likely. On the other hand, I have been given reason to believe Peterson is fundamentally different from everyone else- when his doctor scoped his knee, it was so free of signs of wear the doctor compared it to a newborn baby's. Peterson was starting his recovery from a different point, so no surprise his recovery took a different shape. If we start hearing credible rumors Peterson took PEDs, it's something I will believe easily; in the absence of those rumors, I believe he did it the hard way.

they didn't test for HGH. I'll bet half the league is on it (including Peterson and Charles) i don't blame em, I'd do it too. it speeds healing. the rules a ####tarded. Gesture CancelledGesture Cancelled

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Does anyone know whether there is an exception for performancing enhancing drugs during rehab (assuming the player is off if them for a certain period if time before playing)?

Considering they are illegal in general, pretty sure they aren't allowed ever. I have a hard time thinking his recovery was completely natural. I want to believe it was, because he seems like a super nice guy who would do all the right things and says all the right things..........but the dynamics of it all are just storybook crazy. But this is a FACT..........none of us "know" the guy. None of us can know for sure which players would use banned substances based on things they say in interviews and how hard they train. I mean, AP can be the most dedicated football player in the history of the world, but that doesn't mean he automatically would never touch a banned substance. It's quite possible that he used steroids BECAUSE he is so dedicated, and the thought of not playing and producing was eating him up inside. There is only ONE part of everything that has happened since he tore his knee up that is an argument that he did it cleanly.........when the surgeon mentioned how fresh his ligaments looked when he was doing the surgery. For a 27 year old NFL RB with a ton of career touches in college and in the pros, that was pretty amazing, and points towards the guy not being a regular human. His year this year reminds me of when Barry Bonds hit like 73 home runs. It was almost "too good" of a year. And in AP's case, he did it half a year removed from a horrible knee injury playing a position that puts a premium on explosive legs.

HGH is available. Google anti aging clinic. RUDGesture CancelledGesture Cancelled

 

[ghostguy123]

Well, there will always be people that think it wasn't a natural recovery. Looking at the size of NFL players now days, it's hard not to think everyone is on steroids.However, AP rushed for over 1000 yards in 7 games after suffering a hernia. Pretty sure his level of pain tolerance and ability to play through injury is unprecedented, even among other athletes.

Well, the problem playing after a torn ACL/MCL isn't pain, it's the actual ability of the tendons directly related to explosive moves a RB needs to make. The greatest pain tolerance in history wouldn't all of a sudden make someone's tendons stronger.

 

[cstu]

I think over 90% of NFL players are on something, so yeah.

90% of D1 players are on something.

No, no, no. These are Americans and if there's one thing we say about Americans is that when millions of dollars, fame and glory are on the line, nobody will cut corners and skirt the rules. That's just not who we are.

USA! USA! US...wait, what?

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Peterson's return might have been unprecedented before this season, but then we had Jamaal Charles come back at the same time and set a career high in carries while putting up 1400 yards at over 5 ypc on a terrible team. If Peterson cheated, then so did Charles. It's possible, but I've been given no reason to believe it's likely. On the other hand, I have been given reason to believe Peterson is fundamentally different from everyone else- when his doctor scoped his knee, it was so free of signs of wear the doctor compared it to a newborn baby's. Peterson was starting his recovery from a different point, so no surprise his recovery took a different shape.

If we start hearing credible rumors Peterson took PEDs, it's something I will believe easily; in the absence of those rumors, I believe he did it the hard way.

they didn't test for HGH. I'll bet half the league is on it (including Peterson and Charles)i don't blame em, I'd do it too. it speeds healing. the rules a ####tarded.

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I didn't know that the league didn't test for HGH. If that is true (not that I am doubting), then, sure, why wouldn't players use the growth hormones? Wouldn't it be like the league giving an official "As long as I don't catch you *wink*"? In fact, with the competitiveness of the league, wouldn't it almost compel players to use it?

Look, I'm not a doctor. But sometimes when it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and craps like a duck, it just is a duck. Baseball knew when the home run races between Sosa and McGwire were happening. But it made baseball a better product. Does this make the NFL a better product? I think players breaking records and doing amazing things physically does make a better product. More exciting. And the league can just deny knowledge and make the players the villains later if someone gets caught doping. In the same way that Sosa and McGwire have been made to be the lone wolf villains of baseball (not that they deserve a free ride either). Meanwhile, the leagues pocket the money either way - like the Duke brothers in Trading Places.

So, it is either a duck or one of the Greatest Human Achievements in the History of the Physiology of Man. I just wish it didn't seem like so MUCH of an outlier.

 

[Man of Zen]

He also tacked on three pathetic TD's.

 

[bagger]

Vote yes or no - do you think/suspect that Peterson cheated to speed his recovery from the knee injuries. This is just an opinion poll, so no "I don't know" option. Just answer what you think.

i have heard that 80%+ of the nfl is on hgh, so i would say yes.

 

[bagger]

i am completely shocked more than half the people in this poll dont think he used hgh.

interesting.