Do you think Snyder should change the name of the Redskins? (3 Viewers)

[KarmaPolice]

#2 is right on.  Not enough in the black community look in the mirror as it is just too easy to blame whitey and get backing from most liberals as it is "not your fault".  Not all cases but way too many.  

Really?

 

[shadrap]

Really?

I posted "not enough".   Try your gotcha somewhere else.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I posted "not enough".   Try your gotcha somewhere else.

So what % do you think "blame whitey"? 

 

[Dan Lambskin]

FBG might want to get ahead of the game and get these users some less racist names

@Redskin21

@Redskins Win

@Redskins_VThokiesFanatic

@redskins05champs

@redskins08

@redskins36

@redskins79

@Redskins9

@Redskins90

@redskinscott

@RedskinsFan

 

[Apple Jack]

#2 is right on.  Not enough in the black community look in the mirror as it is just too easy to blame whitey and get backing from most liberals as it is "not your fault".  Not all cases but way too many.  

Whitey not the most self aware species in the history of plasma. Film at 11.

 

[Opie]

I personally have always thought the Redskins name was offensive, but where does it stop?  Are the Atlanta Braves next?  Kansas City Chiefs?  It seems to me society topics have become one-sided for whoever yells the loudest.  Redskins name aside, just look at what the cancel culture / crybullies are doing.  Someone will always be offended by something. Like tearing down Abraham Lincoln, Fredrick Douglas, and Ulysses S Grant Statues....really?  And silly boycott over food products....really?   Again, I ask, where does it stop?  

It won't stop in Arlington TX.

 

[Mister CIA]

I personally have always thought the Redskins name was offensive, but where does it stop?  Are the Atlanta Braves next?  Kansas City Chiefs?  It seems to me society topics have become one-sided for whoever yells the loudest.  Redskins name aside, just look at what the cancel culture / crybullies are doing.  Someone will always be offended by something. Like tearing down Abraham Lincoln, Fredrick Douglas, and Ulysses S Grant Statues....really?  And silly boycott over food products....really?   Again, I ask, where does it stop?  

5/5ths

I personally have always thought the Redskins name was offensive, but where does it stop?  Are the Atlanta Braves next?  Kansas City Chiefs?  It seems to me society topics have become one-sided for whoever yells the loudest.  Redskins name aside, just look at what the cancel culture / crybullies are doing.  Someone will always be offended by something. Like tearing down Abraham Lincoln, Fredrick Douglas, and Ulysses S Grant Statues....really?  And silly boycott over food products....really?   Again, I ask, where does it stop?  

It won't stop in Arlington TX.

You're quoting game is not that good, grandpa.  

 

[PinkydaPimp]

#2 is right on.  Not enough in the black community look in the mirror as it is just too easy to blame whitey and get backing from most liberals as it is "not your fault".  Not all cases but way too many.  

You know this how?  

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Here is what I see the long-term impacts:

1.  Police have been so badly maligned, it will result in good people leaving and good people not wanting to become a police officer.  All the reforms in the world is no substitute for attracting good people into the line of work and things will only get worse.

2.  Continuation of the victimhood and entitlement mentality which has not helped helped the black community for 50-years and will not help in the future.  There is greater divide between the races and it will continue to get worse as demands from BLM and others are unrealistic or unproductive.  

Maybe the police are leaving because of the systemic issues.  Fix those and the good police will want the job again.  If i were a good cop i would be pissed that i am being brought down because of the awful systemic issues i have to work within.

side note doesn’t this belong in the other thread?    

 

[jon_mx]

Maybe the police are leaving because of the systemic issues.  Fix those and the good police will want the job again.  If i were a good cop i would be pissed that i am being brought down because of the awful systemic issues i have to work within.

side note doesn’t this belong in the other thread?    

I am looking long term.  If I were a young child, becoming a police officer would be the last thing I would dream of.  It used to be portrayed as a noble occupation where you help and protect people.  Now all shows which show police in a good light have been pulled from the air and all we hear about are the few cops who abuse their power.  Anytime a police does shot someone it is portrayed as a murder.  The grossly distorted coverage and portrayal of police is absolutely disgusting.  If police were a protected group, the media would be considered a hate group for the constant narrative they spin.  The hatred directed towards police is crazy unfair.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I am looking long term.  If I were a young child, becoming a police officer would be the last thing I would dream of.  It used to be portrayed as a noble occupation where you help and protect people.  Now all shows which show police in a good light have been pulled from the air and all we hear about are the few cops who abuse their power.  Anytime a police does shot someone it is portrayed as a murder.  The grossly distorted coverage and portrayal of police is absolutely disgusting.  If police were a protected group, the media would be considered a hate group for the constant narrative they spin.  The hatred directed towards police is crazy unfair.

What are you talking about with the bolded?

 

[jon_mx]

What are you talking about with the bolded?

'Cops,' Long-Running Reality Show That Glorified Police Cancelled after 33 seasons – June 15, 2020

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/09/business/media/cops-canceled-paramount-tv-show.html

A&E Pulls plug on Live PD – June 11, 2020

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2020/06/11/a-e-pulls-plug-live-pd-reality-show-featured-tallahassee-police-officers/5341473002/

Shut down all police movies and TV shows. Now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/04/shut-down-all-police-movies-tv-shows-now/?arc404=true

 

[KarmaPolice]

Cops?

I will admit that I wasnt expecting that as evidence.   I will read those links to see why they were pulled.  I dont remember them as being shows that were a beacon for good cops.  Isnt Cops popular because its braindead reality show fare where you get to see police chase down rednecks? 

I think we get too caught up in opinion pieces and use them as a slippery slope to show that a majority think like that or that will become reality.  

 

[timschochet]

'Cops,' Long-Running Reality Show That Glorified Police Cancelled after 33 seasons – June 15, 2020

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/09/business/media/cops-canceled-paramount-tv-show.html

A&E Pulls plug on Live PD – June 11, 2020

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2020/06/11/a-e-pulls-plug-live-pd-reality-show-featured-tallahassee-police-officers/5341473002/

Shut down all police movies and TV shows. Now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/04/shut-down-all-police-movies-tv-shows-now/?arc404=true

This is silly. Without looking at numbers I can guarantee you that there are still more tv shows about law enforcement than any other profession, and it’s not even close. I imagine doctors are second but they’re a distant second. Our culture has worshipped police forever. And we especially worship the “tough” cop who bends the rules to get things done. 

 

[jon_mx]

This is silly. Without looking at numbers I can guarantee you that there are still more tv shows about law enforcement than any other profession, and it’s not even close. I imagine doctors are second but they’re a distant second. Our culture has worshipped police forever. And we especially worship the “tough” cop who bends the rules to get things done. 

Sure, because those were started pre-2020.  The purging has begun and new shows positively reflecting police will not be made.

 

[jon_mx]

Cops?

I will admit that I wasnt expecting that as evidence.   I will read those links to see why they were pulled.  I dont remember them as being shows that were a beacon for good cops.  Isnt Cops popular because its braindead reality show fare where you get to see police chase down rednecks? 

I think we get too caught up in opinion pieces and use them as a slippery slope to show that a majority think like that or that will become reality.  

The reality is, there is a large segment who fear police more than they do criminals.  And that shift is largely due to extensive and slanted coverage of police incidents of brutality by the media creating a false reality to a lot of people.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

It used to be portrayed as a noble occupation where you help and protect people. 

Well maybe when law enforcement gets back to being a noble occupation then people will want to do it again. 

 

[jon_mx]

Well maybe when law enforcement gets back to being a noble occupation then people will want to do it again. 

And I think that is a crock.  It is the same as projecting criminality on to all black people.  We are talking about a handful of incidents out of millions and millions of police interactions.  Police are protecting people and the second they defund the police, the same people who were screaming for it will be screaming where are the police.  It is absurd.

 

[Joe Summer]

"all shows which show police in a good light have been pulled from the air"!!!!!!

[cites 2 shows]

 

[PinkydaPimp]

And I think that is a crock.  It is the same as projecting criminality on to all black people.  We are talking about a handful of incidents out of millions and millions of police interactions.  Police are protecting people and the second they defund the police, the same people who were screaming for it will be screaming where are the police.  It is absurd.

You continue to miss the point.  I am not projecting anything onto the specific officers.  My problem is with the SYSTEM!  How many times have i said that.  I feel bad for the officers that join the force only to realize the #### they have to do.  Its like when i got a job doing collections in college and they wanted me to threaten people that they would lose their home or house.  It did not sit right with me and i quit.  I think its the same for officers.  I generally feel bad that the systemic issues make them all look bad.  But alot of them are enabling this system by not speaking out or by continuing to do what their leaders tell them to even if it goes against their morals.  So yes, maybe once that is fixed more people will again think of it as a job they want to do. 

 

[Apple Jack]

Still pissed about Reno 911 cancelation

 

[Green Balloons]

Still pissed about Reno 911 cancelation

We recently started re-watching  this.  Still hilarious.  Problem is Comedy Central app is trash B.

 

[song]

  If police were a protected group,

that's funny.

yes, cop shows can be cancelled, and people are allowed to criticize them,

but they are systemically protected to the extent that they are able to get away with abuse and murder.

but yeah, like someone said, this probably belongs in another thread.

 

[jon_mx]

that's funny.

yes, cop shows can be cancelled, and people are allowed to criticize them,

but they are systemically protected to the extent that they are able to get away with abuse and murder.

but yeah, like someone said, this probably belongs in another thread.

This is where the divide is.  99.9 percent of police killings are lawful killings not murder.  Police have due process just like everyone else. The evidence showed that Micheal Brown and Trevon Martin will lawfully killed.  George Floyd will probably be found to be murder and nobody will get away with it.  I am sure there are a handful of cases where the police get away with what should be murder, but it is crazy to characterize that as systematic.  There are citizens also get away with murder. No justice system is perfect.

 

[The Gator]

This is where the divide is.  99.9 percent of police killings are lawful killings not murder

That is where the problem lies - police should not be killing anyone except in defense of life.

We, as a society, have given the police far too much leeway in determining what constitutes defense of life.

Its time, we rein that idea back in, and get back to the notion that "In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups. The police who investigate crime and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders."

When we let the police be judge, jury, and executioner, the system is failing.

 

[song]

This is where the divide is.  99.9 percent of police killings are lawful killings not murder.  Police have due process just like everyone else. The evidence showed that Micheal Brown and Trevon Martin will lawfully killed.  George Floyd will probably be found to be murder and nobody will get away with it.  I am sure there are a handful of cases where the police get away with what should be murder, but it is crazy to characterize that as systematic.  There are citizens also get away with murder. No justice system is perfect.

yes, i agree that most police killings are lawful, therefore not murder.  my view is that the police are systemically protected so that due process finds the killings lawful.

i don't think it likely that George Floyd"s killing will be found to be murder, though there will probably be some conviction.  i read an article, that detailed how the Floyd officers followed procedure,

and so their actions were perhaps not even criminal.  i agree that no justice system being perfect, there is room for improvement.  lots.

done for this thread.

 

[KarmaPolice]

This is where the divide is.  99.9 percent of police killings are lawful killings not murder.  Police have due process just like everyone else. The evidence showed that Micheal Brown and Trevon Martin will lawfully killed.  George Floyd will probably be found to be murder and nobody will get away with it.  I am sure there are a handful of cases where the police get away with what should be murder, but it is crazy to characterize that as systematic.  There are citizens also get away with murder. No justice system is perfect.

Another point of the divide is when you just focus solely on the killings/murder part of it.  It's easy to hide behind the small # of incidents and claim there is no systemic problems going on.  Now if you acknowledge the "abuse" part of song's post, then we start getting into the systemic issue that most asking for reform are talking about.  

So many threads getting hijacked with other debates.  Why isn't this in the police reform or police shooting threads? lol

 

[GROOT]

Next up: Cowboys

Reason: Cowboys killed alot of natives.

 

[gianmarco]

99.9 percent of police killings are lawful killings not murder. 

There are, on average, 1,000 people killed each year by the police.  There is no chance that 99.9% of those killings are lawful. 

They are only lawful because of how rarely police are actually prosecuted for these killings.

 

[zftcg]

So many threads getting hijacked with other debates.  Why isn't this in the police reform or police shooting threads? lol

Seriously. How did it even get this sidetracked?

Don't force the mods to get involved. Just take the debate to the appropriate thread.

 

[jon_mx]

There are, on average, 1,000 people killed each year by the police.  There is no chance that 99.9% of those killings are lawful. 

They are only lawful because of how rarely police are actually prosecuted for these killings.

If there are so many, there would be better examples than Michael Brown and Trevon Martin for BLM to highlight.   In the age of cell phones, video surveillence and body cams, why aren't there dozens of prime examples of police murdeeing people.  Hint:  because it is very rare.  Out of those 1,000 that get killed, only about 40 are unarmed.  Police are killing criminals who are overwhelmingly armed and dangerous.  

 

[gianmarco]

If there are so many, there would be better examples than Michael Brown and Trevon Martin for BLM to highlight.   In the age of cell phones, video surveillence and body cams, why aren't there dozens of prime examples of police murdeeing people.  Hint:  because it is very rare.  Out of those 1,000 that get killed, only about 40 are unarmed.  Police are killing criminals who are overwhelmingly armed and dangerous.  

Nope.  Try again.

It's only about 3-5x as many as you think.  And that's a lot of people to be killing that aren't armed.  That's not even counting those that are "unclear" when those numbers double.  And most of those "unclear" are going to be unarmed since they'd be classified as armed if they found a weapon.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Nope.  Try again.

It's only about 3-5x as many as you think.  And that's a lot of people to be killing that aren't armed.  That's not even counting those that are "unclear" when those numbers double.  And most of those "unclear" are going to be unarmed since they'd be classified as armed if they found a weapon.

So according to that, about 10% of the victims were unarmed? 

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

Next up: Cowboys

Reason: Cowboys killed alot of natives.

No they didn’t.

 

[gianmarco]

So according to that, about 10% of the victims were unarmed? 

Correct.

Another 10% were "unclear". And another 6% were killed in their vehicle. 

Yet 99% of the time, officers haven't even been charged with a crime. And even fewer were convicted.

In the last 15 years, only 5 cops have been convicted of murder. 

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Correct.

Another 10% were "unclear". And another 6% were killed in their vehicle. 

And a much much larger number were beat to a pulp with likely no report filed or the violence unreported.  

 

[phandango]

This is where the divide is.  99.9 percent of police killings are lawful killings not murder.  Police have due process just like everyone else. The evidence showed that Micheal Brown and Trevon Martin will lawfully killed.  George Floyd will probably be found to be murder and nobody will get away with it.  I am sure there are a handful of cases where the police get away with what should be murder, but it is crazy to characterize that as systematic.  There are citizens also get away with murder. No justice system is perfect.

If there are so many, there would be better examples than Michael Brown and Trevon Martin for BLM to highlight.   In the age of cell phones, video surveillence and body cams, why aren't there dozens of prime examples of police murdeeing people.  Hint:  because it is very rare.  Out of those 1,000 that get killed, only about 40 are unarmed.  Police are killing criminals who are overwhelmingly armed and dangerous.  

It's Trayvon Martin, and he was shot by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, not the police. 

 

[AAABatteries]

That is where the problem lies - police should not be killing anyone except in defense of life.

We, as a society, have given the police far too much leeway in determining what constitutes defense of life.

Its time, we rein that idea back in, and get back to the notion that "In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups. The police who investigate crime and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders."

When we let the police be judge, jury, and executioner, the system is failing.

My Link

 

[jon_mx]

It's Trayvon Martin, and he was shot by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, not the police. 

But it was the driving force for BLM and still the example they bring up.  That is why i used him.  

 

[jon_mx]

Nope.  Try again.

It's only about 3-5x as many as you think.  And that's a lot of people to be killing that aren't armed.  That's not even counting those that are "unclear" when those numbers double.  And most of those "unclear" are going to be unarmed since they'd be classified as armed if they found a weapon.

That is an activists website which does not explain how they get there numbers and their categories don't add up.  The sourccr is clearly are heavily biased against police from their rantings.  The washington post maintains a database which is more reliable and their numbers seem to be very different.  I don't subscribe, but from Link USA Today there were 14 unarmed blacks and 25 unarmed whites shot in 2019. 

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

What is going on with Dan Snyder I saw his name trending but all of the tweets are like "Dan Snyder getting thrown into his jail cell" , "Dan Snyder Fleeing the facility"with animated gifs.  Not a single tweet explaining what's going on.  It appears there are some kind of allegations he made cheerleaders have sex with people or something?

 

[jon_mx]

What is going on with Dan Snyder I saw his name trending but all of the tweets are like "Dan Snyder getting thrown into his jail cell" , "Dan Snyder Fleeing the facility"with animated gifs.  Not a single tweet explaining what's going on.  It appears there are some kind of allegations he made cheerleaders have sex with people or something?

That was old.  It seems there is some ramblings about sex trafficking.  According to the NY Post the Washington Post is expected to put out the story today in what is  described by Julie Donaldson of NBC Sports Washington “What’s coming is disappointing and sad.”

 

[CentralPA]

What is going on with Dan Snyder I saw his name trending but all of the tweets are like "Dan Snyder getting thrown into his jail cell" , "Dan Snyder Fleeing the facility"with animated gifs.  Not a single tweet explaining what's going on.  It appears there are some kind of allegations he made cheerleaders have sex with people or something?

He might be linked to Epstein?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Congratulations to Bob Kraft, who is now only the second-sleaziest owner in the NFL.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

What is going on with Dan Snyder I saw his name trending but all of the tweets are like "Dan Snyder getting thrown into his jail cell" , "Dan Snyder Fleeing the facility"with animated gifs.  Not a single tweet explaining what's going on.  It appears there are some kind of allegations he made cheerleaders have sex with people or something?

hold tight.  today should be a doosey. 

 

[-jb-]

Doesn't say much, but...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/sports/football/dan-snyder-redskins.html

The N.F.L. team in Washington has hired Wilkinson Walsh, a law firm based in the city, to conduct “an independent review of the team’s culture, policies and allegations of workplace misconduct,” Beth Wilkinson, a founding partner of the firm, confirmed in an email.

The team has not announced any reason for the review and the N.F.L., through a spokesman, declined to comment.

The decision comes at a turbulent time for the franchise, which has been embroiled in a public controversy over the team’s name and has seen the departures of numerous staff members over the past year.

Under pressure from several of its largest corporate sponsors, the team said Monday that it would drop its logo and the name “Redskins,” an about-face by the team owner, Daniel Snyder, who for decades said he would never change the name, which has long been considered a racial slur.

 

[The Gator]

 

[roadkill1292]

Regardless of one's feelings on the nickname, everyone should take the opposite side of anyone who insists on being addressed as "Mr. Snyder."

 

[Joe Summer]

Is this a pretense for the NFL to give Snyder the Donald Sterling treatment?

 

[The Gator]

Feels like the hype for the story out-punted the coverage of the story.

I hope the team cleans house, but the hype suggested a bit more than the story delivered.